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Thursday, 03.09.2009.

12:05

"EULEX to offer two more agreements"

Besides the protocol on police cooperation, EULEX has drafted two more agreements on cooperation with Serbia in customs and justice, says a Priština daily.

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robby

pre 14 godina

First: Just read the constition of Kosovo! Its not fully independet and under internatinal supervision, similar to Germany until 1990.
Second: If Kosovo authorities are not able to speak with Neigbours, EULEX does it.

Ron

pre 14 godina

argo,

Indeed there are rules in Kosovo. And UNMIK and EULEX are in charge. Everyone in Kosovo has to obey the UN and/or EU.

Yep, indeed, Kosovo is not independent but ruled by UN! And until there is a mutual agreed solution it will stay that way.

Look at Bosnia: Bosnia is ruled for 15 years by EU now. Kosovo will stay the same. So get a mutual agreed solution NOW!

And stop wasting Western money, time and resources!

johny

pre 14 godina

If we follow your way of thinking we would see a Kurdistan and a free Tibet tomorrow.

Maybe that's fine with me, but there may not and will not be a special deal for Kosovo.

If people like you would finally understand that, the world and the Balkan would be much better places.

My free advice: go for a mutual agreed solution, together with Serbia!
(Ron, 4 September 2009 01:05)

Ron, can you explain to me what is your opposition to a free Kurdistan, and a free Tibet? I am more than ok with that. You fail to be impartial however. If you want to have a free Kurdistan and a free Tibet than what's you beef with having a free Kosova? Just because Kurdistan and Tibet are in geopolitical areas that makes them unable to be heard; why should that in any way be used to hinder Kosova? I fail to see your logic here. Where is the connection? You have places that are unable to gain support for their causes and you have Kosova that gained support for their cause. Why should Kosova be held hostage to those other places? What is the reason for that? As far as I'm concerned most countries in the world today won their independence from their own fights and struggles. Why should other places win their independence from the fight and the struggle of the Albanians?

There is no such thing as mutual agreement with Serbia as long the Serbs want Kosova and as long as Albanians want Kosova. In the real world there are positions that are diametrically so opposite that there cannot be compromise. You either are independent from Serbia or you are not. Its simple as that. Right now we are. As things are its much better being dependent on the West and Independent from Serbia.(Serbia itself is dependendent on the West. It borrows billions every year from the West).
As for the North Mitrovica; your answer lies in Presheva Valley. The reasons are the same.

argo

pre 14 godina

People it so simple how you except someone in your home you can change your mind and show the fastest way out .So what I think EULEX it will pack they suitcases faster as a that....THEY ARE RULES IN KOSOVO can't anyone get it,every country have a right to protect they national security and until you don't threat no one no country can be involved on that and is so simple...

Ron

pre 14 godina

What I really do not understand: if the Albanians do not want to live with Serbs, why they want Northern Kosovo to say with Kosovo?

That is Serbian area? Why you want to rule that?

Milan

pre 14 godina

THERE IS NO RETURN TO Serbia can't you get that?

(EA, 3 September 2009 20:44)

So - where is "independent" Kosovo authorities in North, in Sirinićka Župa, Gračanica, Goraždevac or Parteš?? These part IS STILL PART OF REPUBLIC OF SERBIA and will be never albanian can't you get that?

Jovan

pre 14 godina

I don´t know whether I should laugh or cry about the naivety that becomes visible in the comments of most of our dear k-albanian friends here...

do they really believe to be "independent"?

do they really think to have a chance?

do they really think that the "western powers" "respect the will of 2 million poeple", when the same western powers did not respect the will of 8 million poeple, who by the way are the majority in Serbia?

K-albanians! wake up! your illusions only keep you away from improving your very own lives.

there is no future with these criminals you use to call "heroes" - it´s just the opposite, as long as you believe to be "independent" and these servants that you call "heroes" ( and actually were nothing else than chicken-thieves from a military point of view ) keep on making you believe that - you will be only useful .....

I don´t write it, since it would only be censored by the oh so democratic B92-censors...

but, one thing is clear: no matter what they tell you in these cheap yellow-papers in down-town Priština, you are heavily depending on foreign support, and all those phantasies of a functioning kosovo-"state" are simply laughable.

so, Serbia will prevail, it is only a question of time.

...and to the kid who wrote "Serblex go home"...

my dear, Serblex IS at home. remember it is serbian territory you live on. you only do not realize it yet.

but you will... let´s just see what future brings... and I am confident - with reason.

Ron

pre 14 godina

EA,

I fully respect your with for an independent Kosovo. But I hope you respect Serbia's wish for territorial integrity.

If we follow your way of thinking we would see a Kurdistan and a free Tibet tomorrow.

Maybe that's fine with me, but there may not and will not be a special deal for Kosovo.

If people like you would finally understand that, the world and the Balkan would be much better places.

My free advice: go for a mutual agreed solution, together with Serbia!

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

For once and for always: why should we grant something to Kosovo we do not grant to the Kurds?
(Ron, 3 September 2009 22:20)

You got a brilliant answer from johny "because they didn't come to kosovo to fight for independance",

Ron, I don't think that there is anything we can add.... this is the difference between the 21st century and the ... century

aRTA, do you seriously think that EU will care about the wishfull thinking of x% of nationalistic K-A, they run the show, all the rest is political bla bla not to hurt too much your muppet show pseudo gvnt.

Of course you guys always have the choice to kick out everybody and live on in your misery or start provocation, you certainly know how to do it, but again don't forget we are in the 21st century and the world has changed....

KOSOVARi

pre 14 godina

"EULEX to offer Serbia two more agreements"

They will offer Serbia 2 agreements for ... ?

It is ignorant to assume that EU will just praise praise praise Serbia without pulling the string. There is no such things as free money. There is no such thing as a free agreement.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

Since Obama has taken power there seems to be a shift in policy on Kosovo. Slowly but surely as he mentioned it will take time.
(Zoran, 3 September 2009 14:23)

It might take less time than you think. Today one of my German friend diplomat said bluntly: "no one is interested in Kosovo anymore, US got the spot they wanted and now EU pays for it"
Clear summary, the rest is political bla bla to save faces and further dupe the
K-A!

aRTA

pre 14 godina

"Apparently that 6-Point Compromise is not "dead" after all."

I agree, now all they have to do is arrest 2 million Albanians who never agreed with them. Poor EU their main mission is all screwed up.

arti

pre 14 godina

Make it 20 more protocols as far as the people of Kosovo is concerned about,who cares anyway when they are worthless,we waited 80 years to end the one that was signed in London,this for us is nothing compare the position we had then and now.

EA

pre 14 godina

It seems to me that most of the Serbian commentators here are beating around the bush when it comes to Kosova's status.
THERE IS NO RETURN TO Serbia can't you get that?

Kate,
What do you mean by forcing the Albanians to talk to Serbia about status? Status is sealed ones and for all. Trust me. I have warned in the past if you remember that there would be no agreement between Kosova and Serbia when it comes to Status. Let's be realistic. That is why President Ahtisari was called in to find a solution to this historical problem. When we talk about Kosova status we are in a NON RETURN POINT. I hope you understand what I mean. It is like driving a car to a point that TRYING to STOP would be very very dangerous.

johny

pre 14 godina

So - probably You support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs?? And probably ICJ also support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs??
(Milan, 3 September 2009 18:00)

I do support their will. However none of those people came and fought with us to be independent. They didn't come to Kosova and spill any blood like we did for our independence. So why should they be winning independence on the blood of the Albanians. Why should the blood we spilled reward their goals? I support them but their fight is in no way connected to Kosova. Just because they are unable to be heard by the world powers doesn't in any way mean Kosova's independence and goals should be held hostage by their inabilities to be heard. We were heard good for us. Just like we didn't win our independence from the blood that Bosnians and Croatians spilled so should nobody else be rewarded from the struggle the Albanians endured. There's no connection between the two.

Milan

pre 14 godina

Anyway, Serbia has 66 months to a year until ICJ rules and then it becomes clear, EU /NATO will end this charade. They want out of Kosova as victors and the only to do that is to respect the will of 2 million people.
(aRTA, 3 September 2009 15:17)
So - probably You support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs?? And probably ICJ also support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs??

Pejoni

pre 14 godina

Oh so now Serbcamp take Albanian newspapers seriously, thats actually funny. Btw what happend to the six-point plan, eh nevermind. Let me remind you people something, what ever EU or EULEX tries to do in north since the rest they dont have say, its not in the interest of Serbia, dont forget. So you may have your laughes now, but its the civilians (in north) who will face the consequences.

Aleks

pre 14 godina

What Doris Pack, german MEP and balkans 'know it all' (i.e. a serbophobe and a big croat fan*) can do is precisely nothing. Chair of the European Parliament's South-Eastern Europe Delegation, she also likes to hear her own voice, being a 'substitute' for the EP's Foreign Relations Committee:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/expert/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1191

*From her resume:
www.eaea.org/index.php?k=1508

# Order of Zvonimir (Croatia) (1995)....
# Order of the Republic of Albania (2002)...
# Honorary doctorate from the University of Zadar, Croatia (2007).

It is a pity that most people don't know that Noel Malcolm, author of a "A Short History of Bosnia" and "..Kosovo" is has been president of the Anglo-Albanian Association for many years.

lili

pre 14 godina

to our serbian fellows: don't be so happy:you are doing good job for us,just as Mr de kermabon! Yes indeed,we were beginning to think that previous atrocities are gone for ever,and thanks to you and kermabon,we understand that they are here at the first time we are not vigjilant!
Yes,indeed Kermabon has done a very good job for our momental loss of memory:again now,all kosovo is united against this way of ignoring the will of the 99.6% people of kosovo.
Reminds me of the beginning of milosevic action against kosovo!
Don't forget:
el pueblo unido jamas sera vencido!

Ron

pre 14 godina

I think this is for a great deal a 'game (or play) of words'.

The EULEX says it will sign nothing that is the domain of the Kosovo government. Still, the EULEX deceides what they will sign. And then that defines what's the EULEX part and what's the Kosovo part.

A kind of backward engineering.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

And Doris Pack just announced that Kosova's name must be on them or else they are worthless.

Otherwise Yves can rule from exile, like Minister in Exile, Goran Bogdanovic.
(aRTA, 3 September 2009 12:36)

And who the hell is Doris and what power does she have?

Ron

pre 14 godina

The EU needs to work much harder to make Serbia take a new and constructive rolle concerning Kosovo.
(Kramer, 3 September 2009 12:46)

Yes, I think at the end the best solution still is: one step less then independence.
Let Kosovo be officially part of Serba (save international law) while Kosovars have very high autonomy.

Best deal for all sides. Including the EU and the UN.


Six points plan: yes, these need to be fully implemented!

aRTA

pre 14 godina

aRTA - so where is "independent" Kosovo authorities?? Thay are only "informed" by EULEX about their deals with Serbia.
--
Why hasn't EULEX signed them? Because they can't do that and still stay in Kosova.

Anyway, Serbia has 66 months to a year until ICJ rules and then it becomes clear, EU /NATO will end this charade. They want out of Kosova as victors and the only to do that is to respect the will of 2 million people.

Aljosa

pre 14 godina

daily Koha Ditore writes that the protocols on cooperation in the fields of customs and justice are due to be signed by the end of October.

Why Is EULEX doing this before the elections in Kosovo? Thaci and Sjedu are already nationalists do they want a more extreme party to be elected?
The agreements should obviously be signed but after the elections.
There may be violence and we all know who's the first targets will be

Milan

pre 14 godina

aRTA - so where is "independent" Kosovo authorities?? Thay are only "informed" by EULEX about their deals with Serbia.
So - very clear evidence, that for EULEX Kosovo is not "independent".

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

What did i say?
Protocols are going to be signed like it or not. EULEX owns Kosovo for the time being until the province is surrendered back to Serbia. Kosovo Albanian government has no say and will not be listened to.
It's the big boys at play here, Serbia & EULEX.
The K-Albs can pay to watch the match and support either team :)

Hruz

pre 14 godina

Kosovo and not Kosova in English language in the first place.

Secondly, Kosovo enjoys supervised indepencence. It is a fact Kosovars should bear in mind, and grow up to managing their own country.

This is a thin balance, Kosovo and its leaders are at the mercy of western powers. This should be not forgotten before sending Yves to excile.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Hmm, sounds like Serbia's more than autonomy, less than independence offer is being implemented. Our ethnic Albanian citizens rule themselves while Serbia rules the rest.

Since Obama has taken power there seems to be a shift in policy on Kosovo. Slowly but surely as he mentioned it will take time.

SERBLEX can go home

pre 14 godina

"This is a thin balance, Kosovo and its leaders are at the mercy of western powers. This should be not forgotten before sending Yves to excile."

--
Western Powers recognize us, it's Cyprus etc that don't for now.
Btw: it would benefit EU so much for Kosova and their EU mission to fail, especially since they plan on cutting troops

Conclusion from Doris Pack:
Rough translation: "I propose that that EULEX invite the Kosovo Government so in the agreement they are three signatures....otherwise, what good is the protocol, then we don't need it, because without the signature of Kosvo Government, it's worthless"


I propose negotiations, until Serbia misses the visa deadline. Oh, wait, EULEX will alienate 94% of Kosovo to please Serbia.

kate

pre 14 godina

pss: "He also states the search for cooperation has nothing to do with the "so called 6 point plan""

And you believe that? The 6 point plan was the basis for Serbia to accept EULEX and included status neutrality and adherance to Res 1244. They have been doing exactly that.

The international community should not be leaving the Kosovo govt. out of the picture. They should force them to restart talks with Serbia about a longterm negotiated solution on status, instead of which they are papering the cracks by paying lip service to avoid confrontation.

At least they finally seem to recognise that something needs to be done. Let's hope that their actions and evasiveness don't trigger widespread violence.

pss

pre 14 godina

Per the official EULEX website Kermabon says EULEX cannot and will not sign any protocols on behalf of Kosovo. He also states the search for cooperation has nothing to do with the "so called 6 point plan"
http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/?id=8&n=132

Peter, B

pre 14 godina

The six point plan people!! K-Albanians get used to it! You have to because the only way you got independence is by being ruled by the international community.

aRTA

pre 14 godina

And Doris Pack just announced that Kosova's name must be on them or else they are worthless.

Otherwise Yves can rule from exile, like Minister in Exile, Goran Bogdanovic.

Kramer

pre 14 godina

More and more it is becoming obvious that the authorities if Kosovo are neither capable nor willing to manage their affairs. The declaration of independence, even ten years since end of war, cought them completely unprepared, although it was them urging most for independence. They foreign policy is limited to beg others to gain recognitions for them. The internal polici is damages even relations with biggest supporters of UDI like Germany. All they are able is expect and claim. Urged to do homework and work more active they react with new trouble by leaving some dogs out called vetvendosje or else. One year after independence Albanians have prooven they can only cause trouble but not help solving them. The EU needs to work much harder to make Serbia take a new and constructive rolle concerning Kosovo.

Kramer

pre 14 godina

More and more it is becoming obvious that the authorities if Kosovo are neither capable nor willing to manage their affairs. The declaration of independence, even ten years since end of war, cought them completely unprepared, although it was them urging most for independence. They foreign policy is limited to beg others to gain recognitions for them. The internal polici is damages even relations with biggest supporters of UDI like Germany. All they are able is expect and claim. Urged to do homework and work more active they react with new trouble by leaving some dogs out called vetvendosje or else. One year after independence Albanians have prooven they can only cause trouble but not help solving them. The EU needs to work much harder to make Serbia take a new and constructive rolle concerning Kosovo.

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

What did i say?
Protocols are going to be signed like it or not. EULEX owns Kosovo for the time being until the province is surrendered back to Serbia. Kosovo Albanian government has no say and will not be listened to.
It's the big boys at play here, Serbia & EULEX.
The K-Albs can pay to watch the match and support either team :)

Peter, B

pre 14 godina

The six point plan people!! K-Albanians get used to it! You have to because the only way you got independence is by being ruled by the international community.

Milan

pre 14 godina

aRTA - so where is "independent" Kosovo authorities?? Thay are only "informed" by EULEX about their deals with Serbia.
So - very clear evidence, that for EULEX Kosovo is not "independent".

kate

pre 14 godina

pss: "He also states the search for cooperation has nothing to do with the "so called 6 point plan""

And you believe that? The 6 point plan was the basis for Serbia to accept EULEX and included status neutrality and adherance to Res 1244. They have been doing exactly that.

The international community should not be leaving the Kosovo govt. out of the picture. They should force them to restart talks with Serbia about a longterm negotiated solution on status, instead of which they are papering the cracks by paying lip service to avoid confrontation.

At least they finally seem to recognise that something needs to be done. Let's hope that their actions and evasiveness don't trigger widespread violence.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Hmm, sounds like Serbia's more than autonomy, less than independence offer is being implemented. Our ethnic Albanian citizens rule themselves while Serbia rules the rest.

Since Obama has taken power there seems to be a shift in policy on Kosovo. Slowly but surely as he mentioned it will take time.

aRTA

pre 14 godina

And Doris Pack just announced that Kosova's name must be on them or else they are worthless.

Otherwise Yves can rule from exile, like Minister in Exile, Goran Bogdanovic.

Hruz

pre 14 godina

Kosovo and not Kosova in English language in the first place.

Secondly, Kosovo enjoys supervised indepencence. It is a fact Kosovars should bear in mind, and grow up to managing their own country.

This is a thin balance, Kosovo and its leaders are at the mercy of western powers. This should be not forgotten before sending Yves to excile.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

And Doris Pack just announced that Kosova's name must be on them or else they are worthless.

Otherwise Yves can rule from exile, like Minister in Exile, Goran Bogdanovic.
(aRTA, 3 September 2009 12:36)

And who the hell is Doris and what power does she have?

Ron

pre 14 godina

The EU needs to work much harder to make Serbia take a new and constructive rolle concerning Kosovo.
(Kramer, 3 September 2009 12:46)

Yes, I think at the end the best solution still is: one step less then independence.
Let Kosovo be officially part of Serba (save international law) while Kosovars have very high autonomy.

Best deal for all sides. Including the EU and the UN.


Six points plan: yes, these need to be fully implemented!

Milan

pre 14 godina

Anyway, Serbia has 66 months to a year until ICJ rules and then it becomes clear, EU /NATO will end this charade. They want out of Kosova as victors and the only to do that is to respect the will of 2 million people.
(aRTA, 3 September 2009 15:17)
So - probably You support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs?? And probably ICJ also support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs??

Aleks

pre 14 godina

What Doris Pack, german MEP and balkans 'know it all' (i.e. a serbophobe and a big croat fan*) can do is precisely nothing. Chair of the European Parliament's South-Eastern Europe Delegation, she also likes to hear her own voice, being a 'substitute' for the EP's Foreign Relations Committee:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/expert/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1191

*From her resume:
www.eaea.org/index.php?k=1508

# Order of Zvonimir (Croatia) (1995)....
# Order of the Republic of Albania (2002)...
# Honorary doctorate from the University of Zadar, Croatia (2007).

It is a pity that most people don't know that Noel Malcolm, author of a "A Short History of Bosnia" and "..Kosovo" is has been president of the Anglo-Albanian Association for many years.

Ron

pre 14 godina

I think this is for a great deal a 'game (or play) of words'.

The EULEX says it will sign nothing that is the domain of the Kosovo government. Still, the EULEX deceides what they will sign. And then that defines what's the EULEX part and what's the Kosovo part.

A kind of backward engineering.

aRTA

pre 14 godina

aRTA - so where is "independent" Kosovo authorities?? Thay are only "informed" by EULEX about their deals with Serbia.
--
Why hasn't EULEX signed them? Because they can't do that and still stay in Kosova.

Anyway, Serbia has 66 months to a year until ICJ rules and then it becomes clear, EU /NATO will end this charade. They want out of Kosova as victors and the only to do that is to respect the will of 2 million people.

pss

pre 14 godina

Per the official EULEX website Kermabon says EULEX cannot and will not sign any protocols on behalf of Kosovo. He also states the search for cooperation has nothing to do with the "so called 6 point plan"
http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/?id=8&n=132

SERBLEX can go home

pre 14 godina

"This is a thin balance, Kosovo and its leaders are at the mercy of western powers. This should be not forgotten before sending Yves to excile."

--
Western Powers recognize us, it's Cyprus etc that don't for now.
Btw: it would benefit EU so much for Kosova and their EU mission to fail, especially since they plan on cutting troops

Conclusion from Doris Pack:
Rough translation: "I propose that that EULEX invite the Kosovo Government so in the agreement they are three signatures....otherwise, what good is the protocol, then we don't need it, because without the signature of Kosvo Government, it's worthless"


I propose negotiations, until Serbia misses the visa deadline. Oh, wait, EULEX will alienate 94% of Kosovo to please Serbia.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

Since Obama has taken power there seems to be a shift in policy on Kosovo. Slowly but surely as he mentioned it will take time.
(Zoran, 3 September 2009 14:23)

It might take less time than you think. Today one of my German friend diplomat said bluntly: "no one is interested in Kosovo anymore, US got the spot they wanted and now EU pays for it"
Clear summary, the rest is political bla bla to save faces and further dupe the
K-A!

Pejoni

pre 14 godina

Oh so now Serbcamp take Albanian newspapers seriously, thats actually funny. Btw what happend to the six-point plan, eh nevermind. Let me remind you people something, what ever EU or EULEX tries to do in north since the rest they dont have say, its not in the interest of Serbia, dont forget. So you may have your laughes now, but its the civilians (in north) who will face the consequences.

Aljosa

pre 14 godina

daily Koha Ditore writes that the protocols on cooperation in the fields of customs and justice are due to be signed by the end of October.

Why Is EULEX doing this before the elections in Kosovo? Thaci and Sjedu are already nationalists do they want a more extreme party to be elected?
The agreements should obviously be signed but after the elections.
There may be violence and we all know who's the first targets will be

lili

pre 14 godina

to our serbian fellows: don't be so happy:you are doing good job for us,just as Mr de kermabon! Yes indeed,we were beginning to think that previous atrocities are gone for ever,and thanks to you and kermabon,we understand that they are here at the first time we are not vigjilant!
Yes,indeed Kermabon has done a very good job for our momental loss of memory:again now,all kosovo is united against this way of ignoring the will of the 99.6% people of kosovo.
Reminds me of the beginning of milosevic action against kosovo!
Don't forget:
el pueblo unido jamas sera vencido!

Milan

pre 14 godina

THERE IS NO RETURN TO Serbia can't you get that?

(EA, 3 September 2009 20:44)

So - where is "independent" Kosovo authorities in North, in Sirinićka Župa, Gračanica, Goraždevac or Parteš?? These part IS STILL PART OF REPUBLIC OF SERBIA and will be never albanian can't you get that?

arti

pre 14 godina

Make it 20 more protocols as far as the people of Kosovo is concerned about,who cares anyway when they are worthless,we waited 80 years to end the one that was signed in London,this for us is nothing compare the position we had then and now.

aRTA

pre 14 godina

"Apparently that 6-Point Compromise is not "dead" after all."

I agree, now all they have to do is arrest 2 million Albanians who never agreed with them. Poor EU their main mission is all screwed up.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

For once and for always: why should we grant something to Kosovo we do not grant to the Kurds?
(Ron, 3 September 2009 22:20)

You got a brilliant answer from johny "because they didn't come to kosovo to fight for independance",

Ron, I don't think that there is anything we can add.... this is the difference between the 21st century and the ... century

aRTA, do you seriously think that EU will care about the wishfull thinking of x% of nationalistic K-A, they run the show, all the rest is political bla bla not to hurt too much your muppet show pseudo gvnt.

Of course you guys always have the choice to kick out everybody and live on in your misery or start provocation, you certainly know how to do it, but again don't forget we are in the 21st century and the world has changed....

johny

pre 14 godina

So - probably You support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs?? And probably ICJ also support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs??
(Milan, 3 September 2009 18:00)

I do support their will. However none of those people came and fought with us to be independent. They didn't come to Kosova and spill any blood like we did for our independence. So why should they be winning independence on the blood of the Albanians. Why should the blood we spilled reward their goals? I support them but their fight is in no way connected to Kosova. Just because they are unable to be heard by the world powers doesn't in any way mean Kosova's independence and goals should be held hostage by their inabilities to be heard. We were heard good for us. Just like we didn't win our independence from the blood that Bosnians and Croatians spilled so should nobody else be rewarded from the struggle the Albanians endured. There's no connection between the two.

Jovan

pre 14 godina

I don´t know whether I should laugh or cry about the naivety that becomes visible in the comments of most of our dear k-albanian friends here...

do they really believe to be "independent"?

do they really think to have a chance?

do they really think that the "western powers" "respect the will of 2 million poeple", when the same western powers did not respect the will of 8 million poeple, who by the way are the majority in Serbia?

K-albanians! wake up! your illusions only keep you away from improving your very own lives.

there is no future with these criminals you use to call "heroes" - it´s just the opposite, as long as you believe to be "independent" and these servants that you call "heroes" ( and actually were nothing else than chicken-thieves from a military point of view ) keep on making you believe that - you will be only useful .....

I don´t write it, since it would only be censored by the oh so democratic B92-censors...

but, one thing is clear: no matter what they tell you in these cheap yellow-papers in down-town Priština, you are heavily depending on foreign support, and all those phantasies of a functioning kosovo-"state" are simply laughable.

so, Serbia will prevail, it is only a question of time.

...and to the kid who wrote "Serblex go home"...

my dear, Serblex IS at home. remember it is serbian territory you live on. you only do not realize it yet.

but you will... let´s just see what future brings... and I am confident - with reason.

KOSOVARi

pre 14 godina

"EULEX to offer Serbia two more agreements"

They will offer Serbia 2 agreements for ... ?

It is ignorant to assume that EU will just praise praise praise Serbia without pulling the string. There is no such things as free money. There is no such thing as a free agreement.

EA

pre 14 godina

It seems to me that most of the Serbian commentators here are beating around the bush when it comes to Kosova's status.
THERE IS NO RETURN TO Serbia can't you get that?

Kate,
What do you mean by forcing the Albanians to talk to Serbia about status? Status is sealed ones and for all. Trust me. I have warned in the past if you remember that there would be no agreement between Kosova and Serbia when it comes to Status. Let's be realistic. That is why President Ahtisari was called in to find a solution to this historical problem. When we talk about Kosova status we are in a NON RETURN POINT. I hope you understand what I mean. It is like driving a car to a point that TRYING to STOP would be very very dangerous.

Ron

pre 14 godina

What I really do not understand: if the Albanians do not want to live with Serbs, why they want Northern Kosovo to say with Kosovo?

That is Serbian area? Why you want to rule that?

johny

pre 14 godina

If we follow your way of thinking we would see a Kurdistan and a free Tibet tomorrow.

Maybe that's fine with me, but there may not and will not be a special deal for Kosovo.

If people like you would finally understand that, the world and the Balkan would be much better places.

My free advice: go for a mutual agreed solution, together with Serbia!
(Ron, 4 September 2009 01:05)

Ron, can you explain to me what is your opposition to a free Kurdistan, and a free Tibet? I am more than ok with that. You fail to be impartial however. If you want to have a free Kurdistan and a free Tibet than what's you beef with having a free Kosova? Just because Kurdistan and Tibet are in geopolitical areas that makes them unable to be heard; why should that in any way be used to hinder Kosova? I fail to see your logic here. Where is the connection? You have places that are unable to gain support for their causes and you have Kosova that gained support for their cause. Why should Kosova be held hostage to those other places? What is the reason for that? As far as I'm concerned most countries in the world today won their independence from their own fights and struggles. Why should other places win their independence from the fight and the struggle of the Albanians?

There is no such thing as mutual agreement with Serbia as long the Serbs want Kosova and as long as Albanians want Kosova. In the real world there are positions that are diametrically so opposite that there cannot be compromise. You either are independent from Serbia or you are not. Its simple as that. Right now we are. As things are its much better being dependent on the West and Independent from Serbia.(Serbia itself is dependendent on the West. It borrows billions every year from the West).
As for the North Mitrovica; your answer lies in Presheva Valley. The reasons are the same.

Ron

pre 14 godina

EA,

I fully respect your with for an independent Kosovo. But I hope you respect Serbia's wish for territorial integrity.

If we follow your way of thinking we would see a Kurdistan and a free Tibet tomorrow.

Maybe that's fine with me, but there may not and will not be a special deal for Kosovo.

If people like you would finally understand that, the world and the Balkan would be much better places.

My free advice: go for a mutual agreed solution, together with Serbia!

Ron

pre 14 godina

argo,

Indeed there are rules in Kosovo. And UNMIK and EULEX are in charge. Everyone in Kosovo has to obey the UN and/or EU.

Yep, indeed, Kosovo is not independent but ruled by UN! And until there is a mutual agreed solution it will stay that way.

Look at Bosnia: Bosnia is ruled for 15 years by EU now. Kosovo will stay the same. So get a mutual agreed solution NOW!

And stop wasting Western money, time and resources!

argo

pre 14 godina

People it so simple how you except someone in your home you can change your mind and show the fastest way out .So what I think EULEX it will pack they suitcases faster as a that....THEY ARE RULES IN KOSOVO can't anyone get it,every country have a right to protect they national security and until you don't threat no one no country can be involved on that and is so simple...

robby

pre 14 godina

First: Just read the constition of Kosovo! Its not fully independet and under internatinal supervision, similar to Germany until 1990.
Second: If Kosovo authorities are not able to speak with Neigbours, EULEX does it.

aRTA

pre 14 godina

And Doris Pack just announced that Kosova's name must be on them or else they are worthless.

Otherwise Yves can rule from exile, like Minister in Exile, Goran Bogdanovic.

aRTA

pre 14 godina

aRTA - so where is "independent" Kosovo authorities?? Thay are only "informed" by EULEX about their deals with Serbia.
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Why hasn't EULEX signed them? Because they can't do that and still stay in Kosova.

Anyway, Serbia has 66 months to a year until ICJ rules and then it becomes clear, EU /NATO will end this charade. They want out of Kosova as victors and the only to do that is to respect the will of 2 million people.

lili

pre 14 godina

to our serbian fellows: don't be so happy:you are doing good job for us,just as Mr de kermabon! Yes indeed,we were beginning to think that previous atrocities are gone for ever,and thanks to you and kermabon,we understand that they are here at the first time we are not vigjilant!
Yes,indeed Kermabon has done a very good job for our momental loss of memory:again now,all kosovo is united against this way of ignoring the will of the 99.6% people of kosovo.
Reminds me of the beginning of milosevic action against kosovo!
Don't forget:
el pueblo unido jamas sera vencido!

pss

pre 14 godina

Per the official EULEX website Kermabon says EULEX cannot and will not sign any protocols on behalf of Kosovo. He also states the search for cooperation has nothing to do with the "so called 6 point plan"
http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/?id=8&n=132

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

What did i say?
Protocols are going to be signed like it or not. EULEX owns Kosovo for the time being until the province is surrendered back to Serbia. Kosovo Albanian government has no say and will not be listened to.
It's the big boys at play here, Serbia & EULEX.
The K-Albs can pay to watch the match and support either team :)

SERBLEX can go home

pre 14 godina

"This is a thin balance, Kosovo and its leaders are at the mercy of western powers. This should be not forgotten before sending Yves to excile."

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Western Powers recognize us, it's Cyprus etc that don't for now.
Btw: it would benefit EU so much for Kosova and their EU mission to fail, especially since they plan on cutting troops

Conclusion from Doris Pack:
Rough translation: "I propose that that EULEX invite the Kosovo Government so in the agreement they are three signatures....otherwise, what good is the protocol, then we don't need it, because without the signature of Kosvo Government, it's worthless"


I propose negotiations, until Serbia misses the visa deadline. Oh, wait, EULEX will alienate 94% of Kosovo to please Serbia.

Kramer

pre 14 godina

More and more it is becoming obvious that the authorities if Kosovo are neither capable nor willing to manage their affairs. The declaration of independence, even ten years since end of war, cought them completely unprepared, although it was them urging most for independence. They foreign policy is limited to beg others to gain recognitions for them. The internal polici is damages even relations with biggest supporters of UDI like Germany. All they are able is expect and claim. Urged to do homework and work more active they react with new trouble by leaving some dogs out called vetvendosje or else. One year after independence Albanians have prooven they can only cause trouble but not help solving them. The EU needs to work much harder to make Serbia take a new and constructive rolle concerning Kosovo.

Pejoni

pre 14 godina

Oh so now Serbcamp take Albanian newspapers seriously, thats actually funny. Btw what happend to the six-point plan, eh nevermind. Let me remind you people something, what ever EU or EULEX tries to do in north since the rest they dont have say, its not in the interest of Serbia, dont forget. So you may have your laughes now, but its the civilians (in north) who will face the consequences.

Peter, B

pre 14 godina

The six point plan people!! K-Albanians get used to it! You have to because the only way you got independence is by being ruled by the international community.

Aljosa

pre 14 godina

daily Koha Ditore writes that the protocols on cooperation in the fields of customs and justice are due to be signed by the end of October.

Why Is EULEX doing this before the elections in Kosovo? Thaci and Sjedu are already nationalists do they want a more extreme party to be elected?
The agreements should obviously be signed but after the elections.
There may be violence and we all know who's the first targets will be

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Hmm, sounds like Serbia's more than autonomy, less than independence offer is being implemented. Our ethnic Albanian citizens rule themselves while Serbia rules the rest.

Since Obama has taken power there seems to be a shift in policy on Kosovo. Slowly but surely as he mentioned it will take time.

Milan

pre 14 godina

aRTA - so where is "independent" Kosovo authorities?? Thay are only "informed" by EULEX about their deals with Serbia.
So - very clear evidence, that for EULEX Kosovo is not "independent".

Ron

pre 14 godina

The EU needs to work much harder to make Serbia take a new and constructive rolle concerning Kosovo.
(Kramer, 3 September 2009 12:46)

Yes, I think at the end the best solution still is: one step less then independence.
Let Kosovo be officially part of Serba (save international law) while Kosovars have very high autonomy.

Best deal for all sides. Including the EU and the UN.


Six points plan: yes, these need to be fully implemented!

KOSOVARi

pre 14 godina

"EULEX to offer Serbia two more agreements"

They will offer Serbia 2 agreements for ... ?

It is ignorant to assume that EU will just praise praise praise Serbia without pulling the string. There is no such things as free money. There is no such thing as a free agreement.

Hruz

pre 14 godina

Kosovo and not Kosova in English language in the first place.

Secondly, Kosovo enjoys supervised indepencence. It is a fact Kosovars should bear in mind, and grow up to managing their own country.

This is a thin balance, Kosovo and its leaders are at the mercy of western powers. This should be not forgotten before sending Yves to excile.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

And Doris Pack just announced that Kosova's name must be on them or else they are worthless.

Otherwise Yves can rule from exile, like Minister in Exile, Goran Bogdanovic.
(aRTA, 3 September 2009 12:36)

And who the hell is Doris and what power does she have?

EA

pre 14 godina

It seems to me that most of the Serbian commentators here are beating around the bush when it comes to Kosova's status.
THERE IS NO RETURN TO Serbia can't you get that?

Kate,
What do you mean by forcing the Albanians to talk to Serbia about status? Status is sealed ones and for all. Trust me. I have warned in the past if you remember that there would be no agreement between Kosova and Serbia when it comes to Status. Let's be realistic. That is why President Ahtisari was called in to find a solution to this historical problem. When we talk about Kosova status we are in a NON RETURN POINT. I hope you understand what I mean. It is like driving a car to a point that TRYING to STOP would be very very dangerous.

johny

pre 14 godina

So - probably You support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs?? And probably ICJ also support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs??
(Milan, 3 September 2009 18:00)

I do support their will. However none of those people came and fought with us to be independent. They didn't come to Kosova and spill any blood like we did for our independence. So why should they be winning independence on the blood of the Albanians. Why should the blood we spilled reward their goals? I support them but their fight is in no way connected to Kosova. Just because they are unable to be heard by the world powers doesn't in any way mean Kosova's independence and goals should be held hostage by their inabilities to be heard. We were heard good for us. Just like we didn't win our independence from the blood that Bosnians and Croatians spilled so should nobody else be rewarded from the struggle the Albanians endured. There's no connection between the two.

arti

pre 14 godina

Make it 20 more protocols as far as the people of Kosovo is concerned about,who cares anyway when they are worthless,we waited 80 years to end the one that was signed in London,this for us is nothing compare the position we had then and now.

kate

pre 14 godina

pss: "He also states the search for cooperation has nothing to do with the "so called 6 point plan""

And you believe that? The 6 point plan was the basis for Serbia to accept EULEX and included status neutrality and adherance to Res 1244. They have been doing exactly that.

The international community should not be leaving the Kosovo govt. out of the picture. They should force them to restart talks with Serbia about a longterm negotiated solution on status, instead of which they are papering the cracks by paying lip service to avoid confrontation.

At least they finally seem to recognise that something needs to be done. Let's hope that their actions and evasiveness don't trigger widespread violence.

Ron

pre 14 godina

I think this is for a great deal a 'game (or play) of words'.

The EULEX says it will sign nothing that is the domain of the Kosovo government. Still, the EULEX deceides what they will sign. And then that defines what's the EULEX part and what's the Kosovo part.

A kind of backward engineering.

aRTA

pre 14 godina

"Apparently that 6-Point Compromise is not "dead" after all."

I agree, now all they have to do is arrest 2 million Albanians who never agreed with them. Poor EU their main mission is all screwed up.

Milan

pre 14 godina

Anyway, Serbia has 66 months to a year until ICJ rules and then it becomes clear, EU /NATO will end this charade. They want out of Kosova as victors and the only to do that is to respect the will of 2 million people.
(aRTA, 3 September 2009 15:17)
So - probably You support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs?? And probably ICJ also support the will of millions Kurds, Tamils and Bosnian/Croatian Serbs??

Aleks

pre 14 godina

What Doris Pack, german MEP and balkans 'know it all' (i.e. a serbophobe and a big croat fan*) can do is precisely nothing. Chair of the European Parliament's South-Eastern Europe Delegation, she also likes to hear her own voice, being a 'substitute' for the EP's Foreign Relations Committee:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/expert/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1191

*From her resume:
www.eaea.org/index.php?k=1508

# Order of Zvonimir (Croatia) (1995)....
# Order of the Republic of Albania (2002)...
# Honorary doctorate from the University of Zadar, Croatia (2007).

It is a pity that most people don't know that Noel Malcolm, author of a "A Short History of Bosnia" and "..Kosovo" is has been president of the Anglo-Albanian Association for many years.

johny

pre 14 godina

If we follow your way of thinking we would see a Kurdistan and a free Tibet tomorrow.

Maybe that's fine with me, but there may not and will not be a special deal for Kosovo.

If people like you would finally understand that, the world and the Balkan would be much better places.

My free advice: go for a mutual agreed solution, together with Serbia!
(Ron, 4 September 2009 01:05)

Ron, can you explain to me what is your opposition to a free Kurdistan, and a free Tibet? I am more than ok with that. You fail to be impartial however. If you want to have a free Kurdistan and a free Tibet than what's you beef with having a free Kosova? Just because Kurdistan and Tibet are in geopolitical areas that makes them unable to be heard; why should that in any way be used to hinder Kosova? I fail to see your logic here. Where is the connection? You have places that are unable to gain support for their causes and you have Kosova that gained support for their cause. Why should Kosova be held hostage to those other places? What is the reason for that? As far as I'm concerned most countries in the world today won their independence from their own fights and struggles. Why should other places win their independence from the fight and the struggle of the Albanians?

There is no such thing as mutual agreement with Serbia as long the Serbs want Kosova and as long as Albanians want Kosova. In the real world there are positions that are diametrically so opposite that there cannot be compromise. You either are independent from Serbia or you are not. Its simple as that. Right now we are. As things are its much better being dependent on the West and Independent from Serbia.(Serbia itself is dependendent on the West. It borrows billions every year from the West).
As for the North Mitrovica; your answer lies in Presheva Valley. The reasons are the same.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

Since Obama has taken power there seems to be a shift in policy on Kosovo. Slowly but surely as he mentioned it will take time.
(Zoran, 3 September 2009 14:23)

It might take less time than you think. Today one of my German friend diplomat said bluntly: "no one is interested in Kosovo anymore, US got the spot they wanted and now EU pays for it"
Clear summary, the rest is political bla bla to save faces and further dupe the
K-A!

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

For once and for always: why should we grant something to Kosovo we do not grant to the Kurds?
(Ron, 3 September 2009 22:20)

You got a brilliant answer from johny "because they didn't come to kosovo to fight for independance",

Ron, I don't think that there is anything we can add.... this is the difference between the 21st century and the ... century

aRTA, do you seriously think that EU will care about the wishfull thinking of x% of nationalistic K-A, they run the show, all the rest is political bla bla not to hurt too much your muppet show pseudo gvnt.

Of course you guys always have the choice to kick out everybody and live on in your misery or start provocation, you certainly know how to do it, but again don't forget we are in the 21st century and the world has changed....

Ron

pre 14 godina

EA,

I fully respect your with for an independent Kosovo. But I hope you respect Serbia's wish for territorial integrity.

If we follow your way of thinking we would see a Kurdistan and a free Tibet tomorrow.

Maybe that's fine with me, but there may not and will not be a special deal for Kosovo.

If people like you would finally understand that, the world and the Balkan would be much better places.

My free advice: go for a mutual agreed solution, together with Serbia!

Jovan

pre 14 godina

I don´t know whether I should laugh or cry about the naivety that becomes visible in the comments of most of our dear k-albanian friends here...

do they really believe to be "independent"?

do they really think to have a chance?

do they really think that the "western powers" "respect the will of 2 million poeple", when the same western powers did not respect the will of 8 million poeple, who by the way are the majority in Serbia?

K-albanians! wake up! your illusions only keep you away from improving your very own lives.

there is no future with these criminals you use to call "heroes" - it´s just the opposite, as long as you believe to be "independent" and these servants that you call "heroes" ( and actually were nothing else than chicken-thieves from a military point of view ) keep on making you believe that - you will be only useful .....

I don´t write it, since it would only be censored by the oh so democratic B92-censors...

but, one thing is clear: no matter what they tell you in these cheap yellow-papers in down-town Priština, you are heavily depending on foreign support, and all those phantasies of a functioning kosovo-"state" are simply laughable.

so, Serbia will prevail, it is only a question of time.

...and to the kid who wrote "Serblex go home"...

my dear, Serblex IS at home. remember it is serbian territory you live on. you only do not realize it yet.

but you will... let´s just see what future brings... and I am confident - with reason.

Ron

pre 14 godina

What I really do not understand: if the Albanians do not want to live with Serbs, why they want Northern Kosovo to say with Kosovo?

That is Serbian area? Why you want to rule that?

argo

pre 14 godina

People it so simple how you except someone in your home you can change your mind and show the fastest way out .So what I think EULEX it will pack they suitcases faster as a that....THEY ARE RULES IN KOSOVO can't anyone get it,every country have a right to protect they national security and until you don't threat no one no country can be involved on that and is so simple...

Ron

pre 14 godina

argo,

Indeed there are rules in Kosovo. And UNMIK and EULEX are in charge. Everyone in Kosovo has to obey the UN and/or EU.

Yep, indeed, Kosovo is not independent but ruled by UN! And until there is a mutual agreed solution it will stay that way.

Look at Bosnia: Bosnia is ruled for 15 years by EU now. Kosovo will stay the same. So get a mutual agreed solution NOW!

And stop wasting Western money, time and resources!

Milan

pre 14 godina

THERE IS NO RETURN TO Serbia can't you get that?

(EA, 3 September 2009 20:44)

So - where is "independent" Kosovo authorities in North, in Sirinićka Župa, Gračanica, Goraždevac or Parteš?? These part IS STILL PART OF REPUBLIC OF SERBIA and will be never albanian can't you get that?

robby

pre 14 godina

First: Just read the constition of Kosovo! Its not fully independet and under internatinal supervision, similar to Germany until 1990.
Second: If Kosovo authorities are not able to speak with Neigbours, EULEX does it.