Here is one Irishman who will be voting No for the second time. I hope all my fellow Irish citizens do the same.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 1 September 2009 19:29)
Perfect choice Tom.Once No vote wins again I will put on my green-white Celtic shirt signed by Boruc go to street and sing :OOOhh Europe is in the sun , Irish voted no this time ,some in Brussels cry this time ,Irish have not lost their spine
Big surprise. Not! Is it possible the EU has been playing Serbia for a fool all along just to get us to arrest accused war criminals? That they dont really want an unreliable nation that is a religious, linguistic & cultural ally of Russia? Oh yeah. Tadic knows it & he's warming up to the East lately & even to Gadafi.
"The UK never signed up to the Social Charter which means that we do not have the same rights protecting us as individuals. We also don't have a written constitution (unless you count the Magna Carta!)."
Hi Kate,
Not true any more. If you recall, the British conservative gov. only signed up to the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 on the exclusion of the Social Chapter which in return John 'Bloody' Major (how did the british get away with their vile role in the break up of SFRY so easily?) gave way to German and Austrian demands for the recognition of Croatia without guarantees for the serb minorities.
When Labour was elected in 1997, they fully adopted the Social Chapter, despite much fear mongering by money grabbing big business. And the economy did not immediately collapse!
Poor old Busek doesn't really grasp things well. The EU right wing are certainly against Turkey because they are moslem (well, headed by a supposedly secular islamicist government) and Turkey has not proved its democratic credentials despite the odd civilian government over the decade.
If there is any resistance to Serbia joining by this group, then it is clearly financial rather than political in nature.
Of course this ignores the EU's strategic rationale for the Balkans, i.e. Corridor 10, energy independence etc.
and not to mention that keeping Serbia at the gates will only destabilize politics in Serbia (because the cr*ppy politicians have nothing else to offer (let alone any imagination) anything else than EU membership as somehow the land of milk and honey! Cutting off their noses despite their face if you will.
Regardless of all the poor smelling wind blowing in from Brussels, Serbia is still the shortest route through the Balkans and thus the cheapest and most economical.
Serbia has unilaterally implemented parts of the SAA for getting very little so far in return. If there is no movement from Brussels, then dutch, belgian/whatever truckers (and others) can start paying much more for the privilege of traveling through Serbia.
As to the title of this article "EU unwilling for new enlargement", all you have to do is go to any restaurant near the EP, Counsel or Commission and you will find plenty of eurocrats with bulging waistlines...
As for Lisbon, what a joke. If the US can have a constitution in a few pages, why can't the EU or is it a way to keep their translators employed. Keep it simple. Structural reform of the EU should be under treaty. And some people think all the smart people work in Brussels....
First: The enlargement will happen as soon the constitution (Lisboa) is agreed from all
Second: Also Cypres ist member without the Northern part.
Third: Kosovo needs decades in the current condition.
Forth: Balkan is still a black hole at the european map. Therefore at one time, all state will be member if they want.
And always think about: Europe vanish border, stop your struggle between Serbia and Kosovo
Well, without arresting Mladic and recognizing the independence of Kosovo Serbia will never join EU. Accept the reality and chase your warcriminals then maybe we can talk.
(Smulan, 31 August 2009 11:06)
Accept the reality that Kosovo is a Serbian province. Check 1244 please.
Europe really does not need new states and new borders.
naive soros-dreamer-posters here, i live in one of the €U countries and togheter with over 70%, sick and tired of this colonial neo-liberal super state).
No matter how many times they ignore your (our) result and force another election upon you, VOTE NO!!!
(jgc, 31 August 2009 12:54)
That's why we are still out, and voted NO as many times we were given the opportunity and will further vote NO. Of course Switzerland is in a different position...
Mircea: We (and all other countries that rejected)are better off without the stillborn €, so that was a wize decision after all.
Norway might join €U in your naive fantasies, as you keep parroting, but in reality, no. They, like us are totally against the €Urocrats, do you think they are jumping up and down (like you) to have their sea vacuum-cleaned of fish and their oil pumped by €U-oligharcs? What a laugh..
Your standpoint of naive wishful thinking of a former eastern bloc country and reality as it is only shows the impossibility of imposing a "€URONESS" on us all, since you are a Romanian and i am a Swede. Petty that you have to go through years of increased poverty for the many and humiliation of a cheap labour donor, to realize that...
Stop dreaming of free cash and at least try to understand what you are signing in to, blindly accepting fairy tales from mr. creosote in Brussels wont do you any good..
To jgc,
relax,
all the foundations of your prior economic euphoria were ensured by NATO and the predecessor of EU namely EEC.
Who created your markets?
Who guarded your interests?
To give you an example, today, Serbia cannot export to any other country except ex-YU, Russia, even if she has an industry several orders of magnitude greater (and BETTER) than that of many "european" "western" countries.
So, besides being critical to the "unsuspicious" easterners, just think about a little about your own dependence on USA....
I think the UK should support deeper European integration and should adopt the Euro.
(Mircea, 31 August 2009 14:19)
When will Sweden adopt the Euro?
(Mircea, 31 August 2009 16:01)
While for me as a tourist it would be more convinient if they had euro I think it is mainly up to them to make a decision and surly they know better what is in their interest than some experts from Bucharest.
No, Mircea im not British im Swedish and togheter with 70% of my fellow citizens very unhappy €U-members (in a fake 50-50 "election")since -94.
Before that we couldnt spell "unemployment" or "masspoverty" you know, and im sure most of you are familiar with our form of democrasy and social standard here -post €U.
But thats us isn´t it? People from "new" Europe as your american masters put it, are better at parroting whatever the shove down your throaths and that surprice me since you used to live in the old CCCP, now apparently, with joy and no suspicion whatsoever, entering €USSR as cheap labour and waste dump.
Before Mircea, we used to have among Italian Yugo Greek etc. some Romanian labour here too (they enjoy ther pension now) working in similar conditions and equal rights like the rest of us. The only Romanians i see now, cortesy of €U, are tousands of beggars pick-pockets and paper-less black labour...
Mircea, you are full of telling citizens of other countries what to do. Where is your country seeing as you are talking about everyone else?
I am British and I applaud the Irish for standing their ground. I am a European as well as British, but before my govt signs me up for anything I demand a referendum during which we have a full debate and understanding of the arguments before and against.
The UK never signed up to the Social Charter which means that we do not have the same rights protecting us as individuals. We also don't have a written constitution (unless you count the Magna Carta!).
I want a full understanding of how our individual rights will be affected and the economic arguments for/ against the EURO before our country signs up to anything.
So it's not quite as simple as jumping on the Brussels bandwagon and handing your rights and decisions over to some eurocrat. Even if the Mandelson's of this world would like it that way.
I am not at all convinced by the arguments so far, even though I am far removed from being a little islander.
Certainly your arguments of 'gratitude' and hoorays for the EU would not convince me of anything.
I really hope that the Irish do not allow themselves to be bullied or bribed.
The EU has helped Ireland a great deal and the people of Ireland should say "THANK YOU" on 2 October.
(Mircea, 31 August 2009 10:39)
For what should they thank?For being flooded by beggars from Romania?Otherwise it was mainly the hardworking and enterprenual spirit which helped Ireland.Eu has poured much more money into Kosovo in different forms and they are and will always be far behind Ireland(even romania).Well no wonder when you have money absorbed by narcoterrorists instead of hardworking enterprenours and workers.
"Have you seen EULEX's recent diplomatic actions with regards to Kosovo's "government"?"
There was no diplo actions, just EULEX frustrated because the lack of political will by EU. They will go back and forth and solve this. This: "we don't recognize you, but we will rule against your will," will not happen.
--"It shows that Kosovo is slipping away from the West, and rightfully so, since Serbia is a sovereign state with a far bigger economy than Kosovo, and the EU is an economic union."
It doesn't show anything, it just shows that EU needs to find a soulution with Cyprus, Slaveakia etc. since 22/27 have recognized us.
EU is a political and economic union, and it will become even more so after 2014. Can you imagine Jeremic 15 years from now saying that Kosovo is part of Serbia so they will oppose anything Kosovo, in a EU meeting? Do EU leaders want to hear that?
EU is not the the place to fight your battles, check the weapons at the door.
Keep voting NO.Perhaps after this referendum leaders(puppets?) of "ultrademocratic" Eurokolhoz will order a new one so besides hurling and gaelic football voting on Lisbon treaty will bcome the new traditional irish sport and every autumn we will enjoy a mass voting in Croke Park Stadium as long as EUSSR exists(hopefully not too long and Ireland will host only All-Irelands instead of All_Europeans afterwards.)
The conflicting input of EU vs NATO, on one hand and the
interchangeability of the use of their respective names along other alias names such as: west, world, euroatlantic integration, international community, etc....
form a certain context for Mladic to never ever get arrested.
The EU as we have seen before, moving in many directions at the same time when i comes to difficult issues. Just trying to carv the easiest way out?!
No worries, US will interven when the time comes, sort out EU's backyard, once again.
It is ashame though, that EU still struggles to have a more consistant foreign policy, and honour its commitements (e.g Kosovo), this way the credibility is being damaged.
The Kosovar Gov. and its people, have to realise...they can not be to generous with EULEX or EU when it comes to making to many cocessions. The EU promissed to respect Kosovos integrity, and on the ground in reality is testing how far they can get away with it in not doing so, take the easy rout. Instead of as invited in accordance with Ahtisaaris Plan, support Kosovar insitutions, help integrate minorities.
In EU we have lets say in general two groups of people. EU citizens, constructive, understanding ad grateful.
And on the other side, you have (new)EU citizens, that like to politicize everything, use and abuse the newfound position to devide Europ instead of trying to bring it together. Some peoples historic memory appears to be very short, with that the lack of compassion, understnding for others.
To all Irish citizens, the only member with the democratic right to vote on the Lisbon treaty:
Vote NO for the Lisbon Treaty on 2 October!
And keep voting NO NO NO!!! for all of us (unlike some naive soros-dreamer-posters here, i live in one of the €U countries and togheter with over 70%, sick and tired of this colonial neo-liberal super state).
No matter how many times they ignore your (our) result and force another election upon you, VOTE NO!!!
Should not be worried about "EU unwillingness" to adopt new members...
Lisbon Treaty is just the excuse for some European Governments(starting with Germany) not to admit and or postpone accession of Serbia. What would be their legitimate answer that "Lisbon" is applicable condition for Serbia and not for Croatia? They can leave their dummy, hypocrite arguments for someone brainless and not to bully us with their nonsence! It is just the matter, of simply said, their political racism!
Once when Mladic is delivered and it will probably happen this year, Serbia should simply insist its admittance(of course if we want it), because this is something what EU members are NOT so kind in giving and allowing us, but it is our legitimate right cemented with the more then two million Serbian lifes given in the fighting for European freedom and democracy in the WWI and WWII which Western Europe, Germany, Austria and Holland as a consequence are enjoying already for 50 years. Ridiculous!!!
Concerning Holland, upon Mladic imprisonment, they will be dropping their blockade, but for my personal feeling, and I believe for the feeling of the majority of Serbians, they will hardly clear up their face toward us concerning their political hypocrisy and moral pornography.
Yep, their stance may be harder then ever and that is because Holland just elected most right wing representatives in European Parliament, per percentage of population, then any other EU member and they are presently writing probably the more shameful pages of their history.
The day when Serbia will finalize Mladic matter and on that way force Holland to drop the blockade will be day when Serbians should diminish their interest in this country with long "apartheid" tradition still in action, but in more subtile, XXI century way(all this said as dual Serbian and Dutch citizen).
Finally Busek's words, though "honest", are expressing and transmitting the sort of Western European arrogance and "racism" toward East Europeans which we should be fighting fiercefully and with no mercy.
So long for the EU based on "Pax West-Europeana" !
Well, without arresting Mladic and recognizing the independence of Kosovo Serbia will never join EU. Accept the reality and chase your warcriminals then maybe we can talk.
Have you seen EULEX's recent diplomatic actions with regards to Kosovo's "government"?
It shows that Kosovo is slipping away from the West, and rightfully so, since Serbia is a sovereign state with a far bigger economy than Kosovo, and the EU is an economic union.
So no, I doubt recognition of this "state" will be a prerequisite for Serbia.
1. The European right-wing is not an obstacle to further enlargement. They only oppose Turkey, Albania etc coming into Europe. Of course "Kosovo" will never enter Europe as it is an illegitimate creation whose days are numbered. Just look at the British National Party's website (search for "Kosovo").
2. The Dutch should get off their moral high-horse and apologise to the Serbian people for not protecting them against Naser Oric and his jihadist muhajideen.
1. The European right-wing is not an obstacle to further enlargement. They only oppose Turkey, Albania etc coming into Europe. Of course "Kosovo" will never enter Europe as it is an illegitimate creation whose days are numbered. Just look at the British National Party's website (search for "Kosovo").
2. The Dutch should get off their moral high-horse and apologise to the Serbian people for not protecting them against Naser Oric and his jihadist muhajideen.
Have you seen EULEX's recent diplomatic actions with regards to Kosovo's "government"?
It shows that Kosovo is slipping away from the West, and rightfully so, since Serbia is a sovereign state with a far bigger economy than Kosovo, and the EU is an economic union.
So no, I doubt recognition of this "state" will be a prerequisite for Serbia.
Well, without arresting Mladic and recognizing the independence of Kosovo Serbia will never join EU. Accept the reality and chase your warcriminals then maybe we can talk.
To all Irish citizens, the only member with the democratic right to vote on the Lisbon treaty:
Vote NO for the Lisbon Treaty on 2 October!
And keep voting NO NO NO!!! for all of us (unlike some naive soros-dreamer-posters here, i live in one of the €U countries and togheter with over 70%, sick and tired of this colonial neo-liberal super state).
No matter how many times they ignore your (our) result and force another election upon you, VOTE NO!!!
The EU has helped Ireland a great deal and the people of Ireland should say "THANK YOU" on 2 October.
(Mircea, 31 August 2009 10:39)
For what should they thank?For being flooded by beggars from Romania?Otherwise it was mainly the hardworking and enterprenual spirit which helped Ireland.Eu has poured much more money into Kosovo in different forms and they are and will always be far behind Ireland(even romania).Well no wonder when you have money absorbed by narcoterrorists instead of hardworking enterprenours and workers.
Should not be worried about "EU unwillingness" to adopt new members...
Lisbon Treaty is just the excuse for some European Governments(starting with Germany) not to admit and or postpone accession of Serbia. What would be their legitimate answer that "Lisbon" is applicable condition for Serbia and not for Croatia? They can leave their dummy, hypocrite arguments for someone brainless and not to bully us with their nonsence! It is just the matter, of simply said, their political racism!
Once when Mladic is delivered and it will probably happen this year, Serbia should simply insist its admittance(of course if we want it), because this is something what EU members are NOT so kind in giving and allowing us, but it is our legitimate right cemented with the more then two million Serbian lifes given in the fighting for European freedom and democracy in the WWI and WWII which Western Europe, Germany, Austria and Holland as a consequence are enjoying already for 50 years. Ridiculous!!!
Concerning Holland, upon Mladic imprisonment, they will be dropping their blockade, but for my personal feeling, and I believe for the feeling of the majority of Serbians, they will hardly clear up their face toward us concerning their political hypocrisy and moral pornography.
Yep, their stance may be harder then ever and that is because Holland just elected most right wing representatives in European Parliament, per percentage of population, then any other EU member and they are presently writing probably the more shameful pages of their history.
The day when Serbia will finalize Mladic matter and on that way force Holland to drop the blockade will be day when Serbians should diminish their interest in this country with long "apartheid" tradition still in action, but in more subtile, XXI century way(all this said as dual Serbian and Dutch citizen).
Finally Busek's words, though "honest", are expressing and transmitting the sort of Western European arrogance and "racism" toward East Europeans which we should be fighting fiercefully and with no mercy.
So long for the EU based on "Pax West-Europeana" !
Mircea, you are full of telling citizens of other countries what to do. Where is your country seeing as you are talking about everyone else?
I am British and I applaud the Irish for standing their ground. I am a European as well as British, but before my govt signs me up for anything I demand a referendum during which we have a full debate and understanding of the arguments before and against.
The UK never signed up to the Social Charter which means that we do not have the same rights protecting us as individuals. We also don't have a written constitution (unless you count the Magna Carta!).
I want a full understanding of how our individual rights will be affected and the economic arguments for/ against the EURO before our country signs up to anything.
So it's not quite as simple as jumping on the Brussels bandwagon and handing your rights and decisions over to some eurocrat. Even if the Mandelson's of this world would like it that way.
I am not at all convinced by the arguments so far, even though I am far removed from being a little islander.
Certainly your arguments of 'gratitude' and hoorays for the EU would not convince me of anything.
I really hope that the Irish do not allow themselves to be bullied or bribed.
No, Mircea im not British im Swedish and togheter with 70% of my fellow citizens very unhappy €U-members (in a fake 50-50 "election")since -94.
Before that we couldnt spell "unemployment" or "masspoverty" you know, and im sure most of you are familiar with our form of democrasy and social standard here -post €U.
But thats us isn´t it? People from "new" Europe as your american masters put it, are better at parroting whatever the shove down your throaths and that surprice me since you used to live in the old CCCP, now apparently, with joy and no suspicion whatsoever, entering €USSR as cheap labour and waste dump.
Before Mircea, we used to have among Italian Yugo Greek etc. some Romanian labour here too (they enjoy ther pension now) working in similar conditions and equal rights like the rest of us. The only Romanians i see now, cortesy of €U, are tousands of beggars pick-pockets and paper-less black labour...
The conflicting input of EU vs NATO, on one hand and the
interchangeability of the use of their respective names along other alias names such as: west, world, euroatlantic integration, international community, etc....
form a certain context for Mladic to never ever get arrested.
"Have you seen EULEX's recent diplomatic actions with regards to Kosovo's "government"?"
There was no diplo actions, just EULEX frustrated because the lack of political will by EU. They will go back and forth and solve this. This: "we don't recognize you, but we will rule against your will," will not happen.
--"It shows that Kosovo is slipping away from the West, and rightfully so, since Serbia is a sovereign state with a far bigger economy than Kosovo, and the EU is an economic union."
It doesn't show anything, it just shows that EU needs to find a soulution with Cyprus, Slaveakia etc. since 22/27 have recognized us.
EU is a political and economic union, and it will become even more so after 2014. Can you imagine Jeremic 15 years from now saying that Kosovo is part of Serbia so they will oppose anything Kosovo, in a EU meeting? Do EU leaders want to hear that?
EU is not the the place to fight your battles, check the weapons at the door.
Keep voting NO.Perhaps after this referendum leaders(puppets?) of "ultrademocratic" Eurokolhoz will order a new one so besides hurling and gaelic football voting on Lisbon treaty will bcome the new traditional irish sport and every autumn we will enjoy a mass voting in Croke Park Stadium as long as EUSSR exists(hopefully not too long and Ireland will host only All-Irelands instead of All_Europeans afterwards.)
The EU as we have seen before, moving in many directions at the same time when i comes to difficult issues. Just trying to carv the easiest way out?!
No worries, US will interven when the time comes, sort out EU's backyard, once again.
It is ashame though, that EU still struggles to have a more consistant foreign policy, and honour its commitements (e.g Kosovo), this way the credibility is being damaged.
The Kosovar Gov. and its people, have to realise...they can not be to generous with EULEX or EU when it comes to making to many cocessions. The EU promissed to respect Kosovos integrity, and on the ground in reality is testing how far they can get away with it in not doing so, take the easy rout. Instead of as invited in accordance with Ahtisaaris Plan, support Kosovar insitutions, help integrate minorities.
In EU we have lets say in general two groups of people. EU citizens, constructive, understanding ad grateful.
And on the other side, you have (new)EU citizens, that like to politicize everything, use and abuse the newfound position to devide Europ instead of trying to bring it together. Some peoples historic memory appears to be very short, with that the lack of compassion, understnding for others.
I think the UK should support deeper European integration and should adopt the Euro.
(Mircea, 31 August 2009 14:19)
When will Sweden adopt the Euro?
(Mircea, 31 August 2009 16:01)
While for me as a tourist it would be more convinient if they had euro I think it is mainly up to them to make a decision and surly they know better what is in their interest than some experts from Bucharest.
Mircea: We (and all other countries that rejected)are better off without the stillborn €, so that was a wize decision after all.
Norway might join €U in your naive fantasies, as you keep parroting, but in reality, no. They, like us are totally against the €Urocrats, do you think they are jumping up and down (like you) to have their sea vacuum-cleaned of fish and their oil pumped by €U-oligharcs? What a laugh..
Your standpoint of naive wishful thinking of a former eastern bloc country and reality as it is only shows the impossibility of imposing a "€URONESS" on us all, since you are a Romanian and i am a Swede. Petty that you have to go through years of increased poverty for the many and humiliation of a cheap labour donor, to realize that...
Stop dreaming of free cash and at least try to understand what you are signing in to, blindly accepting fairy tales from mr. creosote in Brussels wont do you any good..
naive soros-dreamer-posters here, i live in one of the €U countries and togheter with over 70%, sick and tired of this colonial neo-liberal super state).
No matter how many times they ignore your (our) result and force another election upon you, VOTE NO!!!
(jgc, 31 August 2009 12:54)
That's why we are still out, and voted NO as many times we were given the opportunity and will further vote NO. Of course Switzerland is in a different position...
Well, without arresting Mladic and recognizing the independence of Kosovo Serbia will never join EU. Accept the reality and chase your warcriminals then maybe we can talk.
(Smulan, 31 August 2009 11:06)
Accept the reality that Kosovo is a Serbian province. Check 1244 please.
Europe really does not need new states and new borders.
Here is one Irishman who will be voting No for the second time. I hope all my fellow Irish citizens do the same.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 1 September 2009 19:29)
Perfect choice Tom.Once No vote wins again I will put on my green-white Celtic shirt signed by Boruc go to street and sing :OOOhh Europe is in the sun , Irish voted no this time ,some in Brussels cry this time ,Irish have not lost their spine
First: The enlargement will happen as soon the constitution (Lisboa) is agreed from all
Second: Also Cypres ist member without the Northern part.
Third: Kosovo needs decades in the current condition.
Forth: Balkan is still a black hole at the european map. Therefore at one time, all state will be member if they want.
And always think about: Europe vanish border, stop your struggle between Serbia and Kosovo
"The UK never signed up to the Social Charter which means that we do not have the same rights protecting us as individuals. We also don't have a written constitution (unless you count the Magna Carta!)."
Hi Kate,
Not true any more. If you recall, the British conservative gov. only signed up to the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 on the exclusion of the Social Chapter which in return John 'Bloody' Major (how did the british get away with their vile role in the break up of SFRY so easily?) gave way to German and Austrian demands for the recognition of Croatia without guarantees for the serb minorities.
When Labour was elected in 1997, they fully adopted the Social Chapter, despite much fear mongering by money grabbing big business. And the economy did not immediately collapse!
Poor old Busek doesn't really grasp things well. The EU right wing are certainly against Turkey because they are moslem (well, headed by a supposedly secular islamicist government) and Turkey has not proved its democratic credentials despite the odd civilian government over the decade.
If there is any resistance to Serbia joining by this group, then it is clearly financial rather than political in nature.
Of course this ignores the EU's strategic rationale for the Balkans, i.e. Corridor 10, energy independence etc.
and not to mention that keeping Serbia at the gates will only destabilize politics in Serbia (because the cr*ppy politicians have nothing else to offer (let alone any imagination) anything else than EU membership as somehow the land of milk and honey! Cutting off their noses despite their face if you will.
Regardless of all the poor smelling wind blowing in from Brussels, Serbia is still the shortest route through the Balkans and thus the cheapest and most economical.
Serbia has unilaterally implemented parts of the SAA for getting very little so far in return. If there is no movement from Brussels, then dutch, belgian/whatever truckers (and others) can start paying much more for the privilege of traveling through Serbia.
As to the title of this article "EU unwilling for new enlargement", all you have to do is go to any restaurant near the EP, Counsel or Commission and you will find plenty of eurocrats with bulging waistlines...
As for Lisbon, what a joke. If the US can have a constitution in a few pages, why can't the EU or is it a way to keep their translators employed. Keep it simple. Structural reform of the EU should be under treaty. And some people think all the smart people work in Brussels....
To jgc,
relax,
all the foundations of your prior economic euphoria were ensured by NATO and the predecessor of EU namely EEC.
Who created your markets?
Who guarded your interests?
To give you an example, today, Serbia cannot export to any other country except ex-YU, Russia, even if she has an industry several orders of magnitude greater (and BETTER) than that of many "european" "western" countries.
So, besides being critical to the "unsuspicious" easterners, just think about a little about your own dependence on USA....
Big surprise. Not! Is it possible the EU has been playing Serbia for a fool all along just to get us to arrest accused war criminals? That they dont really want an unreliable nation that is a religious, linguistic & cultural ally of Russia? Oh yeah. Tadic knows it & he's warming up to the East lately & even to Gadafi.
Well, without arresting Mladic and recognizing the independence of Kosovo Serbia will never join EU. Accept the reality and chase your warcriminals then maybe we can talk.
1. The European right-wing is not an obstacle to further enlargement. They only oppose Turkey, Albania etc coming into Europe. Of course "Kosovo" will never enter Europe as it is an illegitimate creation whose days are numbered. Just look at the British National Party's website (search for "Kosovo").
2. The Dutch should get off their moral high-horse and apologise to the Serbian people for not protecting them against Naser Oric and his jihadist muhajideen.
Have you seen EULEX's recent diplomatic actions with regards to Kosovo's "government"?
It shows that Kosovo is slipping away from the West, and rightfully so, since Serbia is a sovereign state with a far bigger economy than Kosovo, and the EU is an economic union.
So no, I doubt recognition of this "state" will be a prerequisite for Serbia.
The EU as we have seen before, moving in many directions at the same time when i comes to difficult issues. Just trying to carv the easiest way out?!
No worries, US will interven when the time comes, sort out EU's backyard, once again.
It is ashame though, that EU still struggles to have a more consistant foreign policy, and honour its commitements (e.g Kosovo), this way the credibility is being damaged.
The Kosovar Gov. and its people, have to realise...they can not be to generous with EULEX or EU when it comes to making to many cocessions. The EU promissed to respect Kosovos integrity, and on the ground in reality is testing how far they can get away with it in not doing so, take the easy rout. Instead of as invited in accordance with Ahtisaaris Plan, support Kosovar insitutions, help integrate minorities.
In EU we have lets say in general two groups of people. EU citizens, constructive, understanding ad grateful.
And on the other side, you have (new)EU citizens, that like to politicize everything, use and abuse the newfound position to devide Europ instead of trying to bring it together. Some peoples historic memory appears to be very short, with that the lack of compassion, understnding for others.
"Have you seen EULEX's recent diplomatic actions with regards to Kosovo's "government"?"
There was no diplo actions, just EULEX frustrated because the lack of political will by EU. They will go back and forth and solve this. This: "we don't recognize you, but we will rule against your will," will not happen.
--"It shows that Kosovo is slipping away from the West, and rightfully so, since Serbia is a sovereign state with a far bigger economy than Kosovo, and the EU is an economic union."
It doesn't show anything, it just shows that EU needs to find a soulution with Cyprus, Slaveakia etc. since 22/27 have recognized us.
EU is a political and economic union, and it will become even more so after 2014. Can you imagine Jeremic 15 years from now saying that Kosovo is part of Serbia so they will oppose anything Kosovo, in a EU meeting? Do EU leaders want to hear that?
EU is not the the place to fight your battles, check the weapons at the door.
The EU has helped Ireland a great deal and the people of Ireland should say "THANK YOU" on 2 October.
(Mircea, 31 August 2009 10:39)
For what should they thank?For being flooded by beggars from Romania?Otherwise it was mainly the hardworking and enterprenual spirit which helped Ireland.Eu has poured much more money into Kosovo in different forms and they are and will always be far behind Ireland(even romania).Well no wonder when you have money absorbed by narcoterrorists instead of hardworking enterprenours and workers.
Should not be worried about "EU unwillingness" to adopt new members...
Lisbon Treaty is just the excuse for some European Governments(starting with Germany) not to admit and or postpone accession of Serbia. What would be their legitimate answer that "Lisbon" is applicable condition for Serbia and not for Croatia? They can leave their dummy, hypocrite arguments for someone brainless and not to bully us with their nonsence! It is just the matter, of simply said, their political racism!
Once when Mladic is delivered and it will probably happen this year, Serbia should simply insist its admittance(of course if we want it), because this is something what EU members are NOT so kind in giving and allowing us, but it is our legitimate right cemented with the more then two million Serbian lifes given in the fighting for European freedom and democracy in the WWI and WWII which Western Europe, Germany, Austria and Holland as a consequence are enjoying already for 50 years. Ridiculous!!!
Concerning Holland, upon Mladic imprisonment, they will be dropping their blockade, but for my personal feeling, and I believe for the feeling of the majority of Serbians, they will hardly clear up their face toward us concerning their political hypocrisy and moral pornography.
Yep, their stance may be harder then ever and that is because Holland just elected most right wing representatives in European Parliament, per percentage of population, then any other EU member and they are presently writing probably the more shameful pages of their history.
The day when Serbia will finalize Mladic matter and on that way force Holland to drop the blockade will be day when Serbians should diminish their interest in this country with long "apartheid" tradition still in action, but in more subtile, XXI century way(all this said as dual Serbian and Dutch citizen).
Finally Busek's words, though "honest", are expressing and transmitting the sort of Western European arrogance and "racism" toward East Europeans which we should be fighting fiercefully and with no mercy.
So long for the EU based on "Pax West-Europeana" !
Well, without arresting Mladic and recognizing the independence of Kosovo Serbia will never join EU. Accept the reality and chase your warcriminals then maybe we can talk.
(Smulan, 31 August 2009 11:06)
Accept the reality that Kosovo is a Serbian province. Check 1244 please.
Europe really does not need new states and new borders.
To all Irish citizens, the only member with the democratic right to vote on the Lisbon treaty:
Vote NO for the Lisbon Treaty on 2 October!
And keep voting NO NO NO!!! for all of us (unlike some naive soros-dreamer-posters here, i live in one of the €U countries and togheter with over 70%, sick and tired of this colonial neo-liberal super state).
No matter how many times they ignore your (our) result and force another election upon you, VOTE NO!!!
No, Mircea im not British im Swedish and togheter with 70% of my fellow citizens very unhappy €U-members (in a fake 50-50 "election")since -94.
Before that we couldnt spell "unemployment" or "masspoverty" you know, and im sure most of you are familiar with our form of democrasy and social standard here -post €U.
But thats us isn´t it? People from "new" Europe as your american masters put it, are better at parroting whatever the shove down your throaths and that surprice me since you used to live in the old CCCP, now apparently, with joy and no suspicion whatsoever, entering €USSR as cheap labour and waste dump.
Before Mircea, we used to have among Italian Yugo Greek etc. some Romanian labour here too (they enjoy ther pension now) working in similar conditions and equal rights like the rest of us. The only Romanians i see now, cortesy of €U, are tousands of beggars pick-pockets and paper-less black labour...
Mircea, you are full of telling citizens of other countries what to do. Where is your country seeing as you are talking about everyone else?
I am British and I applaud the Irish for standing their ground. I am a European as well as British, but before my govt signs me up for anything I demand a referendum during which we have a full debate and understanding of the arguments before and against.
The UK never signed up to the Social Charter which means that we do not have the same rights protecting us as individuals. We also don't have a written constitution (unless you count the Magna Carta!).
I want a full understanding of how our individual rights will be affected and the economic arguments for/ against the EURO before our country signs up to anything.
So it's not quite as simple as jumping on the Brussels bandwagon and handing your rights and decisions over to some eurocrat. Even if the Mandelson's of this world would like it that way.
I am not at all convinced by the arguments so far, even though I am far removed from being a little islander.
Certainly your arguments of 'gratitude' and hoorays for the EU would not convince me of anything.
I really hope that the Irish do not allow themselves to be bullied or bribed.
First: The enlargement will happen as soon the constitution (Lisboa) is agreed from all
Second: Also Cypres ist member without the Northern part.
Third: Kosovo needs decades in the current condition.
Forth: Balkan is still a black hole at the european map. Therefore at one time, all state will be member if they want.
And always think about: Europe vanish border, stop your struggle between Serbia and Kosovo
To jgc,
relax,
all the foundations of your prior economic euphoria were ensured by NATO and the predecessor of EU namely EEC.
Who created your markets?
Who guarded your interests?
To give you an example, today, Serbia cannot export to any other country except ex-YU, Russia, even if she has an industry several orders of magnitude greater (and BETTER) than that of many "european" "western" countries.
So, besides being critical to the "unsuspicious" easterners, just think about a little about your own dependence on USA....
I think the UK should support deeper European integration and should adopt the Euro.
(Mircea, 31 August 2009 14:19)
When will Sweden adopt the Euro?
(Mircea, 31 August 2009 16:01)
While for me as a tourist it would be more convinient if they had euro I think it is mainly up to them to make a decision and surly they know better what is in their interest than some experts from Bucharest.
Keep voting NO.Perhaps after this referendum leaders(puppets?) of "ultrademocratic" Eurokolhoz will order a new one so besides hurling and gaelic football voting on Lisbon treaty will bcome the new traditional irish sport and every autumn we will enjoy a mass voting in Croke Park Stadium as long as EUSSR exists(hopefully not too long and Ireland will host only All-Irelands instead of All_Europeans afterwards.)
Mircea: We (and all other countries that rejected)are better off without the stillborn €, so that was a wize decision after all.
Norway might join €U in your naive fantasies, as you keep parroting, but in reality, no. They, like us are totally against the €Urocrats, do you think they are jumping up and down (like you) to have their sea vacuum-cleaned of fish and their oil pumped by €U-oligharcs? What a laugh..
Your standpoint of naive wishful thinking of a former eastern bloc country and reality as it is only shows the impossibility of imposing a "€URONESS" on us all, since you are a Romanian and i am a Swede. Petty that you have to go through years of increased poverty for the many and humiliation of a cheap labour donor, to realize that...
Stop dreaming of free cash and at least try to understand what you are signing in to, blindly accepting fairy tales from mr. creosote in Brussels wont do you any good..
The conflicting input of EU vs NATO, on one hand and the
interchangeability of the use of their respective names along other alias names such as: west, world, euroatlantic integration, international community, etc....
form a certain context for Mladic to never ever get arrested.
Big surprise. Not! Is it possible the EU has been playing Serbia for a fool all along just to get us to arrest accused war criminals? That they dont really want an unreliable nation that is a religious, linguistic & cultural ally of Russia? Oh yeah. Tadic knows it & he's warming up to the East lately & even to Gadafi.
naive soros-dreamer-posters here, i live in one of the €U countries and togheter with over 70%, sick and tired of this colonial neo-liberal super state).
No matter how many times they ignore your (our) result and force another election upon you, VOTE NO!!!
(jgc, 31 August 2009 12:54)
That's why we are still out, and voted NO as many times we were given the opportunity and will further vote NO. Of course Switzerland is in a different position...
"The UK never signed up to the Social Charter which means that we do not have the same rights protecting us as individuals. We also don't have a written constitution (unless you count the Magna Carta!)."
Hi Kate,
Not true any more. If you recall, the British conservative gov. only signed up to the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 on the exclusion of the Social Chapter which in return John 'Bloody' Major (how did the british get away with their vile role in the break up of SFRY so easily?) gave way to German and Austrian demands for the recognition of Croatia without guarantees for the serb minorities.
When Labour was elected in 1997, they fully adopted the Social Chapter, despite much fear mongering by money grabbing big business. And the economy did not immediately collapse!
Poor old Busek doesn't really grasp things well. The EU right wing are certainly against Turkey because they are moslem (well, headed by a supposedly secular islamicist government) and Turkey has not proved its democratic credentials despite the odd civilian government over the decade.
If there is any resistance to Serbia joining by this group, then it is clearly financial rather than political in nature.
Of course this ignores the EU's strategic rationale for the Balkans, i.e. Corridor 10, energy independence etc.
and not to mention that keeping Serbia at the gates will only destabilize politics in Serbia (because the cr*ppy politicians have nothing else to offer (let alone any imagination) anything else than EU membership as somehow the land of milk and honey! Cutting off their noses despite their face if you will.
Regardless of all the poor smelling wind blowing in from Brussels, Serbia is still the shortest route through the Balkans and thus the cheapest and most economical.
Serbia has unilaterally implemented parts of the SAA for getting very little so far in return. If there is no movement from Brussels, then dutch, belgian/whatever truckers (and others) can start paying much more for the privilege of traveling through Serbia.
As to the title of this article "EU unwilling for new enlargement", all you have to do is go to any restaurant near the EP, Counsel or Commission and you will find plenty of eurocrats with bulging waistlines...
As for Lisbon, what a joke. If the US can have a constitution in a few pages, why can't the EU or is it a way to keep their translators employed. Keep it simple. Structural reform of the EU should be under treaty. And some people think all the smart people work in Brussels....
Here is one Irishman who will be voting No for the second time. I hope all my fellow Irish citizens do the same.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 1 September 2009 19:29)
Perfect choice Tom.Once No vote wins again I will put on my green-white Celtic shirt signed by Boruc go to street and sing :OOOhh Europe is in the sun , Irish voted no this time ,some in Brussels cry this time ,Irish have not lost their spine
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