K. Albanians "pressuring EULEX"

Ding dong, a wake up call for all, starting with the naive that believed that by creating a pseudo state run by heroes the sky will become blue!

Frustration will only further increase on both sides with certainly more and more provocation from the K-A, "deja vu" but this time it will be difficult to blame the Serbs for this complete failure!

Time for Attisari to get another medal...

aRTA,

Time for a reality check: EULEX = UNMIK = 1244.

Kosovo is just a Serbian province ruled by UN. Check 1244. EU is doing the practical work *for the UN*. In the frameworks of 1244.

Kosovo will not join EU or UN. Kosovo is a province, not a state.

But hey, that's what you said yes to, back in 1999. Remember?

Stratfor, good to be honest. The Albanians want it all. They can't get it all. Time for a compromise I would say!

What a mess one day the weak lid will blow off we will be back to ethnic against ethnic fighting like I have said. I wont be one bit surprised when it draws all the nations around. Just like WW 1 and the Balkan wars that preseted it. To many grievances out their to many peoples feel they have been cheated and abused. It will not take much to put it in motion. The west is getting fatigued in the never ending Afghan and Iraq missions. Maybe also in to Iran and Pakistan if they miss calculate they are experts in to getting them selfs in to deadly quagmires. The money is running out faster then they can print it for them to fund those operations. They have been printing money like their is no tomorrow with no value to it to back it up. The Great depression of the 1930 will look good in comparison with the global economy and finance we have today and the great fall that it will take it down.

You know, a part of me actually does sympathize with the Albanian part. I mean they were promised everything including the kitchen sink by the West, which had an over-exaggerated opinion of its capabilities, and in the end got far less than they bargained for. But another part of me is glad a cold shower of reality is hitting Pristina, or at least Kurti's movement which I have no love for but can at least respect for seeing what everyone else sees. Pristina was never in any position to dominate all of Kosovo and it was a far-fetched idea that the K-Serbs would just fall under their wing. Whoever said that from the West and whoever believed that in Pristina both need to be fired from their job. At the absolute absolute best, Kosovo will be an international protectorate de facto partitioned along the lines of Bosnia. If no one's interested in putting Kosovo offically back under Serbia Proper, they're equally uninterested in giving it to Albania, though I suspect Kosovo will be heavily influenced by policies from both Belgrade and Tirana in the years ahead.

EA,

"All its inhabitants got to respect the rule of law/constitutions of the territory where they live in."

Well, then Albanians should start obey Serbian law and constitution.

Come on, guys. No double standards. Kosovo is just a province. NOT A STATE! Time to accept!

"...and adds that the west "never thought out fully what a Kosovar state would actually mean".

I think the West thought it through what a Kosovar state means but for those who don't want to see or hear there will be always an excuse.
To me Kosova is and democratic new country for all people living in its recognised territory/for Serbian readers "adminstrative" borders. All its inhabitants got to respect the rule of law/constitutions of the territory where they live in. To me Kosova is a country who is open to its neighbours providing they show respect/refrain to its territory and integrity. Kosova needs to work more in establishing its authority in the whole territory.

"Brussels fears that a Kosovo left to its own devices, with porous borders that span Albanian populated regions in Macedonia and Albania, rampant corruption and a lack of meaningful economic activity, would turn into exactly that. This would become a serious security threat to Europe. And that is why EULEX has shown no indications it is prepared to leave or abate its efforts to curb organized crime activity in Kosovo."

So to paraphrase Albin Kurti: send doctors and teachers not more police or get out. 10 years of international rule already, where are the jobs? Also, Kosova has no clear EU path assigned, but you want to rule us, against our will? Recognize us first and than we'll talk.

I agree with them on why they wanted Serbia smaller (the west wants to minimize pro-Russians in Europe too)

The albanians will never get into the eu. The only reason albania is in NATO is so that the west can control their military, use their country to imprison enemies of america and draft some of their soldiers to fight in the middle east. The croatians should be careful not to get dropped into the turkish-albanian pot.

VETVENDOSJE! (Self-determination movement) is not part of the government nor is it funded by the government. That is one of the biggest mistakes the think-tank made.

From the article:

"August 2008 saw the upsurge in anger directed more specifically at UNMIK, when its role in the controversial firing of the head of Kosovo’s customs service brought the question of who actually controls Kosovo internal politics — the Kosovars, or the United Nations — to the forefront. "

The answer is clear: the UN. While the EU perfroms practical tasks.

UN controls Kosovo. EULEX took over the practical part. I know this. You know this. The Albanian leaders know this. Time to say the truth: Kosovo is not a state!

Why is it so hard to tell the truth?

I am not from the Balkan, but I really don't get it!

Guess within a few years even months the West is fed up with Kosovo. But the West must stay: take a look at Bosnia. 15 years later still governed by a viceroy from EU.

This is the fate of Kosovo: being a EU-run protectorate. Not in EU, not in UN.

What a mess. Had taken the Slovakian way!

Stratfor think-tank writes.
hummm.........
such a quick analysis and response , from a think tank, to a crisis is suspect? Did they had their reaction ready even before this provocation,since it is an evidence for every body that signing such a protocol is scandalous without discussing it with our gvt before!

A good report. It sums up everything - though I wonder why it needs a think tank to recognize these facts of truth...

Stratfor 'analyses' have remained variable since the days when it was set up, this one being rather simplistic to say the least.

"So to paraphrase Albin Kurti: send doctors and teachers not more police or get out. 10 years of international rule already, where are the jobs?"

As long as albanians blame the 'international community' for not giving them jobs than asking their own politicians who are creaming off all the profit and leaving the average albanian in poverty and unemployment, now 73%, then one wonders what kind of 'democratic' state the West imagined it was creating.

And what position is Pristina to demand doctors and teachers from the EU? Can't they train their own? Why not?

As if the West would get out and then continue to shower hundreds of millions of euros upon the long suffering kosovo albanians forever!

It didn't work for Tito, it won't work for the EU, though maybe they would be willing to take money from the gulf states, and their wahabbi clerics too... Or just give control over to Tirana. What a choice.

Expect eventual border 'incidents' and unrest in FYROM etc.

Peter,

"... the west helps Kosovo gain independence, sets up an authority to ensure that they develop along Western standards..."

You are right in here but Albanians has agreed Ahtisari plan which means Kosova is undivided democratic country, where Kosova's institutions are respected in the capacity of an independent and sovereig country. The Albanian's had to do very very tough compromises to that arrangements.

It is not correct for you to conclude that

"... but in return, the Albanians want the EU to give them and give them again or get out???

That is absolutely not the case!

I am not from Kosova but do feel strongly that the West must make sure that the authority of Kosova institution is observed throughout the territory of Kosova, Serbia must recognise Kosova's independence if really "cares" about the Serbian minority in Kosova.

So it is not as messy at it might look. It needs leadership and authority.

"Albanian Self-Determination Movement and its leader Albin Kurti as "the leader of a Kosovo nationalist nongovernmental organization"

hahaha i have not laughed like this for a while!

eheem facts please that this is a nationalist NGO momevment?

So the truth is oozing out of the cracks uncontrollably at the moment. Nobody can hide the nationalistic goals of the K-Albanians any further.

--"As long as albanians blame the 'international community' for not giving them jobs than asking their own politicians "

What does being "under UN administration" mean?

---"As if the West would get out and then continue to shower hundreds of millions of euros upon the long suffering kosovo albanians forever!"

They give Serbia $500 million a year so why not?

--"And what position is Pristina to demand doctors and teachers from the EU? Can't they train their own? Why not?"

Well, since EU wants to help us on one thing (a.k.a. rule us), we can suggest we need more help in another. So instead of more police to mostly serve EU interests, send some doctors and teachers to serve our interests too. Get it? They don't have to of course, but then they can't demand we this and that.

"Brussels fears that a Kosovo left to its own devices, with porous borders that span Albanian populated regions in Macedonia and Albania, rampant corruption and a lack of meaningful economic activity, would turn into exactly that. This would become a serious security threat to Europe. And that is why EULEX has shown no indications it is prepared to leave or abate its efforts to curb organized crime activity in Kosovo."

So to paraphrase Albin Kurti: send doctors and teachers not more police or get out. 10 years of international rule already, where are the jobs? Also, Kosova has no clear EU path assigned, but you want to rule us, against our will? Recognize us first and than we'll talk.

I agree with them on why they wanted Serbia smaller (the west wants to minimize pro-Russians in Europe too)
(aRTA, 30 August 2009 17:24)

aRTA, you say where are the jobs? There are no jobs because who wants to invest in a place where there is no rule of law or if know someone maybe you can get something done or if you pay somebody. Corruption is rampant, no power sporidic at the most they sell the power to albania or some other country to make a buck and forget about the home folks. Why would i invest in a state that cannot provide services to the population. aRTA you actually think that investor well invest when there is a chance that they will not get a return on the investment? You get nothing for free anywhere and that includes Kosovo. The people think by kicking out UNMIK or EULEX because it does not serve your purpose will further your purpose hell no it won't. No one will touch Kosovo with a 10 foot pole unless Saudi Arabia or other muslim countries decide to invest but you can kiss the free way of living good bye. Don't come running to the US or Europe for help when you are overwhelmed. Do you actually think they will again come to the Aid of Kosovo yet again i don't think so. You guys duped the west once but not twice. Remember Carla Del Ponte? The champion War Crimes Prosecutor but when she question the yellow house inquiry she was quickly pushed under the bus. The west is finally experiancing what happens when you fall out of favor with the albanians. If they can throw the former PM Ramush H. under the bus who won't they toss under the bus. aRTA i thought you were an intelligent person but i guess i was wrong. Don't listen to what those who want to control Kosovo be an independent thinker and not that person who choose to bring up the Serbs did this all no now the kosovo albanians are trying to sink there own ship, Serbia is not stopping investment your actions are.

So wait, the west helps Kosovo gain independence, sets up an authority to ensure that they develop along Western standards, but in return, the Albanians want the EU to give them and give them again or get out???

What a bloody mess indeed!

EA,

Please stop referring to the Ashisarti plan. That plan was NOT accepted by both sides and not even by UN. So it is not valid at all.

1244 is valid however!

And why should Serbia recognize Kosovo? Does China recognize Taiwan or Tibet? Does Turkey recognize Kurdistan?

NO SPECIAL DEAL FOR KOSOVO!

Kosovo is a UN governed Serbian province. Not more, not less!

Accept the facts. And stop wasting Western money please!

Well, since EU wants to help us on one thing (a.k.a. rule us), we can suggest we need more help in another. So instead of more police to mostly serve EU interests, send some doctors and teachers to serve our interests too. Get it? They don't have to of course, but then they can't demand we this and that.

First try to convince the half million and more of your golden expats to return, there might be some doctors in it.
Don't forget that the K-A image abroad is a disaster and it doesn't mean that because the political scene has recon a pseudo state that the you have convince the hearts of the population, far from it!!

Don't forget that the K-A image abroad is a disaster and it doesn't mean that because the political scene has recon a pseudo state that the you have convince the hearts of the population, far from it!!
(The Swiss, 31 August 2009 19:38)

Why is that Albanian reputation does not suffer in US or Germany for that matter?

Every statistics so far has shown that K-Alb crime & corruption rates of all types, are indeed way lower than those found among other ethnic groups, be that immigrant groups in Europe or ethnic groups in the Balkans.

"Brussels fears that a Kosovo left to its own devices, with porous borders that span Albanian populated regions in Macedonia and Albania, rampant corruption and a lack of meaningful economic activity, would turn into exactly that. This would become a serious security threat to Europe. And that is why EULEX has shown no indications it is prepared to leave or abate its efforts to curb organized crime activity in Kosovo."

So to paraphrase Albin Kurti: send doctors and teachers not more police or get out. 10 years of international rule already, where are the jobs? Also, Kosova has no clear EU path assigned, but you want to rule us, against our will? Recognize us first and than we'll talk.

I agree with them on why they wanted Serbia smaller (the west wants to minimize pro-Russians in Europe too)

"...and adds that the west "never thought out fully what a Kosovar state would actually mean".

I think the West thought it through what a Kosovar state means but for those who don't want to see or hear there will be always an excuse.
To me Kosova is and democratic new country for all people living in its recognised territory/for Serbian readers "adminstrative" borders. All its inhabitants got to respect the rule of law/constitutions of the territory where they live in. To me Kosova is a country who is open to its neighbours providing they show respect/refrain to its territory and integrity. Kosova needs to work more in establishing its authority in the whole territory.

EA,

"All its inhabitants got to respect the rule of law/constitutions of the territory where they live in."

Well, then Albanians should start obey Serbian law and constitution.

Come on, guys. No double standards. Kosovo is just a province. NOT A STATE! Time to accept!

Stratfor think-tank writes.
hummm.........
such a quick analysis and response , from a think tank, to a crisis is suspect? Did they had their reaction ready even before this provocation,since it is an evidence for every body that signing such a protocol is scandalous without discussing it with our gvt before!

aRTA,

Time for a reality check: EULEX = UNMIK = 1244.

Kosovo is just a Serbian province ruled by UN. Check 1244. EU is doing the practical work *for the UN*. In the frameworks of 1244.

Kosovo will not join EU or UN. Kosovo is a province, not a state.

But hey, that's what you said yes to, back in 1999. Remember?

Stratfor, good to be honest. The Albanians want it all. They can't get it all. Time for a compromise I would say!

VETVENDOSJE! (Self-determination movement) is not part of the government nor is it funded by the government. That is one of the biggest mistakes the think-tank made.

The albanians will never get into the eu. The only reason albania is in NATO is so that the west can control their military, use their country to imprison enemies of america and draft some of their soldiers to fight in the middle east. The croatians should be careful not to get dropped into the turkish-albanian pot.

"Albanian Self-Determination Movement and its leader Albin Kurti as "the leader of a Kosovo nationalist nongovernmental organization"

hahaha i have not laughed like this for a while!

eheem facts please that this is a nationalist NGO momevment?

Ding dong, a wake up call for all, starting with the naive that believed that by creating a pseudo state run by heroes the sky will become blue!

Frustration will only further increase on both sides with certainly more and more provocation from the K-A, "deja vu" but this time it will be difficult to blame the Serbs for this complete failure!

Time for Attisari to get another medal...

"Brussels fears that a Kosovo left to its own devices, with porous borders that span Albanian populated regions in Macedonia and Albania, rampant corruption and a lack of meaningful economic activity, would turn into exactly that. This would become a serious security threat to Europe. And that is why EULEX has shown no indications it is prepared to leave or abate its efforts to curb organized crime activity in Kosovo."

So to paraphrase Albin Kurti: send doctors and teachers not more police or get out. 10 years of international rule already, where are the jobs? Also, Kosova has no clear EU path assigned, but you want to rule us, against our will? Recognize us first and than we'll talk.

I agree with them on why they wanted Serbia smaller (the west wants to minimize pro-Russians in Europe too)
(aRTA, 30 August 2009 17:24)

aRTA, you say where are the jobs? There are no jobs because who wants to invest in a place where there is no rule of law or if know someone maybe you can get something done or if you pay somebody. Corruption is rampant, no power sporidic at the most they sell the power to albania or some other country to make a buck and forget about the home folks. Why would i invest in a state that cannot provide services to the population. aRTA you actually think that investor well invest when there is a chance that they will not get a return on the investment? You get nothing for free anywhere and that includes Kosovo. The people think by kicking out UNMIK or EULEX because it does not serve your purpose will further your purpose hell no it won't. No one will touch Kosovo with a 10 foot pole unless Saudi Arabia or other muslim countries decide to invest but you can kiss the free way of living good bye. Don't come running to the US or Europe for help when you are overwhelmed. Do you actually think they will again come to the Aid of Kosovo yet again i don't think so. You guys duped the west once but not twice. Remember Carla Del Ponte? The champion War Crimes Prosecutor but when she question the yellow house inquiry she was quickly pushed under the bus. The west is finally experiancing what happens when you fall out of favor with the albanians. If they can throw the former PM Ramush H. under the bus who won't they toss under the bus. aRTA i thought you were an intelligent person but i guess i was wrong. Don't listen to what those who want to control Kosovo be an independent thinker and not that person who choose to bring up the Serbs did this all no now the kosovo albanians are trying to sink there own ship, Serbia is not stopping investment your actions are.

You know, a part of me actually does sympathize with the Albanian part. I mean they were promised everything including the kitchen sink by the West, which had an over-exaggerated opinion of its capabilities, and in the end got far less than they bargained for. But another part of me is glad a cold shower of reality is hitting Pristina, or at least Kurti's movement which I have no love for but can at least respect for seeing what everyone else sees. Pristina was never in any position to dominate all of Kosovo and it was a far-fetched idea that the K-Serbs would just fall under their wing. Whoever said that from the West and whoever believed that in Pristina both need to be fired from their job. At the absolute absolute best, Kosovo will be an international protectorate de facto partitioned along the lines of Bosnia. If no one's interested in putting Kosovo offically back under Serbia Proper, they're equally uninterested in giving it to Albania, though I suspect Kosovo will be heavily influenced by policies from both Belgrade and Tirana in the years ahead.

Stratfor 'analyses' have remained variable since the days when it was set up, this one being rather simplistic to say the least.

"So to paraphrase Albin Kurti: send doctors and teachers not more police or get out. 10 years of international rule already, where are the jobs?"

As long as albanians blame the 'international community' for not giving them jobs than asking their own politicians who are creaming off all the profit and leaving the average albanian in poverty and unemployment, now 73%, then one wonders what kind of 'democratic' state the West imagined it was creating.

And what position is Pristina to demand doctors and teachers from the EU? Can't they train their own? Why not?

As if the West would get out and then continue to shower hundreds of millions of euros upon the long suffering kosovo albanians forever!

It didn't work for Tito, it won't work for the EU, though maybe they would be willing to take money from the gulf states, and their wahabbi clerics too... Or just give control over to Tirana. What a choice.

Expect eventual border 'incidents' and unrest in FYROM etc.

Peter,

"... the west helps Kosovo gain independence, sets up an authority to ensure that they develop along Western standards..."

You are right in here but Albanians has agreed Ahtisari plan which means Kosova is undivided democratic country, where Kosova's institutions are respected in the capacity of an independent and sovereig country. The Albanian's had to do very very tough compromises to that arrangements.

It is not correct for you to conclude that

"... but in return, the Albanians want the EU to give them and give them again or get out???

That is absolutely not the case!

I am not from Kosova but do feel strongly that the West must make sure that the authority of Kosova institution is observed throughout the territory of Kosova, Serbia must recognise Kosova's independence if really "cares" about the Serbian minority in Kosova.

So it is not as messy at it might look. It needs leadership and authority.

From the article:

"August 2008 saw the upsurge in anger directed more specifically at UNMIK, when its role in the controversial firing of the head of Kosovo’s customs service brought the question of who actually controls Kosovo internal politics — the Kosovars, or the United Nations — to the forefront. "

The answer is clear: the UN. While the EU perfroms practical tasks.

UN controls Kosovo. EULEX took over the practical part. I know this. You know this. The Albanian leaders know this. Time to say the truth: Kosovo is not a state!

Why is it so hard to tell the truth?

I am not from the Balkan, but I really don't get it!

Guess within a few years even months the West is fed up with Kosovo. But the West must stay: take a look at Bosnia. 15 years later still governed by a viceroy from EU.

This is the fate of Kosovo: being a EU-run protectorate. Not in EU, not in UN.

What a mess. Had taken the Slovakian way!

EA,

Please stop referring to the Ashisarti plan. That plan was NOT accepted by both sides and not even by UN. So it is not valid at all.

1244 is valid however!

And why should Serbia recognize Kosovo? Does China recognize Taiwan or Tibet? Does Turkey recognize Kurdistan?

NO SPECIAL DEAL FOR KOSOVO!

Kosovo is a UN governed Serbian province. Not more, not less!

Accept the facts. And stop wasting Western money please!

So wait, the west helps Kosovo gain independence, sets up an authority to ensure that they develop along Western standards, but in return, the Albanians want the EU to give them and give them again or get out???

What a bloody mess indeed!

A good report. It sums up everything - though I wonder why it needs a think tank to recognize these facts of truth...

--"As long as albanians blame the 'international community' for not giving them jobs than asking their own politicians "

What does being "under UN administration" mean?

---"As if the West would get out and then continue to shower hundreds of millions of euros upon the long suffering kosovo albanians forever!"

They give Serbia $500 million a year so why not?

--"And what position is Pristina to demand doctors and teachers from the EU? Can't they train their own? Why not?"

Well, since EU wants to help us on one thing (a.k.a. rule us), we can suggest we need more help in another. So instead of more police to mostly serve EU interests, send some doctors and teachers to serve our interests too. Get it? They don't have to of course, but then they can't demand we this and that.

So the truth is oozing out of the cracks uncontrollably at the moment. Nobody can hide the nationalistic goals of the K-Albanians any further.

Well, since EU wants to help us on one thing (a.k.a. rule us), we can suggest we need more help in another. So instead of more police to mostly serve EU interests, send some doctors and teachers to serve our interests too. Get it? They don't have to of course, but then they can't demand we this and that.

First try to convince the half million and more of your golden expats to return, there might be some doctors in it.
Don't forget that the K-A image abroad is a disaster and it doesn't mean that because the political scene has recon a pseudo state that the you have convince the hearts of the population, far from it!!

What a mess one day the weak lid will blow off we will be back to ethnic against ethnic fighting like I have said. I wont be one bit surprised when it draws all the nations around. Just like WW 1 and the Balkan wars that preseted it. To many grievances out their to many peoples feel they have been cheated and abused. It will not take much to put it in motion. The west is getting fatigued in the never ending Afghan and Iraq missions. Maybe also in to Iran and Pakistan if they miss calculate they are experts in to getting them selfs in to deadly quagmires. The money is running out faster then they can print it for them to fund those operations. They have been printing money like their is no tomorrow with no value to it to back it up. The Great depression of the 1930 will look good in comparison with the global economy and finance we have today and the great fall that it will take it down.

Don't forget that the K-A image abroad is a disaster and it doesn't mean that because the political scene has recon a pseudo state that the you have convince the hearts of the population, far from it!!
(The Swiss, 31 August 2009 19:38)

Why is that Albanian reputation does not suffer in US or Germany for that matter?

Every statistics so far has shown that K-Alb crime & corruption rates of all types, are indeed way lower than those found among other ethnic groups, be that immigrant groups in Europe or ethnic groups in the Balkans.