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Saturday, 29.08.2009.

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"EULEX has right to sign protocol"

International representatives in Kosovo Yves de Kermabon and Pieter Feith claim that EULEX has the right to sign a protocol with Serbia's police.

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Bez_Cenzure

pre 14 godina

I'm just amazed by albanian being unfamiliar with situation in Serbia. They just don't get it that Vojvodina is region with absolute Serbian majority and true multiethnic part of Serbia which cannot be compared to Kosovo at all.

Region of Raška is also multiethnic but Kosovo is not and cannot be until Albanians give up of their goal of ethnically clean territory of Kosovo. You see maybe this is albanian 5 minutes but it won't be forever.

Milan

pre 14 godina

Thats because Belgium didnt have a Milosevic like Serbia did - fortunately. It is that simple!
(braveheart22, 31 August 2009 21:14)

I will waiting for the time when Flemish Region unilateral declare independence. I will waiting for Belgium government reaction. I will waitin for the time when Belgium army will started fights against Flemish separatist. Probably king of Belgium and Belgium government will be very happy and very quickly recognize Flemish independence?? I will waiting for this moment my friend ;)

braveheart22

pre 14 godina

It makes me wonder when I read that every Serbian commentary in this website contains the phrase: Kosovo is not a State, its a province! As if you are trying to convince yourselves in the first place!
and to Ron: Dont you worry about "your" taxes. Theyr deposited first hand in the EU Banks. The EU never made any substantial capital investments in Kosovo. Therefore, take a deep breath and simply relax! And about your question on why Germans can live peacefully in Belgium? Thats because Belgium didnt have a Milosevic like Serbia did - fortunately. It is that simple!

Amer

pre 14 godina

'Why does the US not say anything?'

Because more can be accomplished by talking quietly than by making statements to the newspapers.

'Because Kosovo is the EU's responsibility, not the US's. '

Ideally, true, but the EU is splintered and the U.S. is taking a more active role than it probably intended to - in equipping the defense force, participating in the EULEX rule-of-law mission, contributing to writing off the national debt. Etc.

'The US does not care about Kosovo and has much more important things on their agenda.'

The U.S. can do more than one thing at a time. The Balkans are not an urgent priority, since things are progressing in the right direction, if slowly. And there's always the possibility that the ICJ opinion next year will end many of the existing problems - lack of total EU support for Kosova's independence, for example.

'Oh, and they will not risk relations with the EU over Kosovo, so don't count on their support in the event that diplomatic conflict arises between the EU (the world's largest economy) and Kosovo (which has the GDP of a village somewhere in the EU).'

The differences between EULEX bureaucrats and Prishtina are hardly going to rise to this level. If there's one thing the Europeans don't do, it's take hard, unyielding stands. They'll find some way to finesse the current problem.

Ron

pre 14 godina

genti,

Out? Who? The people who saved you back in 1999?

Goal? The goal was to stop the killing. Not to create a new state?

Blocking? Russia and China will block Kosovo at the UN. Spain and others will block Kosovo at the EU.

Result? A mess. Very unneeded mess. Had taken the Slovakia route plesas.

And stop wasting our Western money please!

genti

pre 14 godina

Peter,

Kosovo is not losing credibility. That's why Kosovo's allies are not supporting Solana's another term.
The US has warned EU bureaucrats about these events a long time ago. I guess finally they see it. EU's credibility at state here.

In the end, it's Serbia who is getting blocked by Kosovo to get visa liberalization.
So much about mocking and underestimating Kosovo. Too bad, the Serb media suppressed the news of French Government.

Do you really think that Kosovo is alone on this? Do you really believe that there is no one backing for Kosovo going against the protocol?!!You are only fooling yourself, if you believe so!!!

Geopolitically, in the world, this is another proof that Kosovo has its international subjectivity and its capable to block another country. So much abotu Jeremic's dream.
the Goal Accomplished! Out!

Ron

pre 14 godina

People like you are the cause of the Balkan being so backward.
Liberating? Learn to live together. Like the Germans in Belgium.

Why you want a Greater Albania?

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

genti

Typical nationalist rhetoric. Trying to "liberate" who from what? Sounds like you are advocating the destruction of a sovereign state.

This is why the EU is talking on a diplomatic level with Serbia, not with Kosovo's politicians. They are a state, you are a colony, it's clear who is more important to the EU and your dreams of "ruining" their aspirations will simply fail in the future.

Albanians are losing credibility with the West, they see through your perceptions and will leave you alone to try and do it, though then you can expect Serbia to annihilate any such efforts, even with NATO's support. You just love isolation, don't you?

Why does the US not say anything? Because Kosovo is the EU's responsibility, not the US's. The US does not care about Kosovo and has much more important things on their agenda. Oh, and they will not risk relations with the EU over Kosovo, so don't count on their support in the event that diplomatic conflict arises between the EU (the world's largest economy) and Kosovo (which has the GDP of a village somewhere in the EU).

lili

pre 14 godina

ooh,from what i read here,some of our "internationals" miss the colonial time!
Ron,empires and states used all the means they can to try to "quiet" albanians,and guess what,they did not succed!
We have survive to centuries of oppression,don't worry we will be as quiet as necessery to see our albanian lands free.

genti

pre 14 godina

the naiveté of serb camp is beyond me. Are you paying attention to "neutrality" or the protocol?

Is EULEX neutral? How come they are quoting Kosovo Constitution? LOL. Duped again!

Kosovars are playing a wild card at this point. Productive at best. Ruining Serbia's EU future is the best alternative. Get Tadic out and bring in nationalists. It's a best way to liberate Sandjak, Vojvodina, Presheva Valley Region.

Btw, have you noticed the US silence?
They don't mind what Kosovars are demanding.

Daveo Dinkum

pre 14 godina

My sides are almost splitting from laughter reading comments from the comedians on here claiming that EULEX must comply with Albanian demands or hit the road. You and whose army??

Sit down, be quiet, and obey your masters.

Ron

pre 14 godina

Talk about ingratitude.
(Peter Sudyka, 30 August 2009 19:29)

Yes, Peter, I agree. We, the West, intervened in 1999. To stop the killling. Not to create a new, second Albanian state.

We give a lot of money to this Kosovo province. We help them to govern this province. And what do we get back: THEY DESTROY OUR CARS!

Mind my words: this won't take long. The West will tell the Albanians to be quiet!!

Ron

pre 14 godina

lili,

Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN. UNMIK/EULEX is in charge.

So yes, of course EULEX is signing on behalf of Kosovo province.

Who else should sign? I mean, Kosovo is a province not a state. And we all know that! Reality hurts sometimes.

Hope the Albanians leaders have the guts to tell the people the truth: Kosovo is NOT independent!

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

Kosovo owes its independence and restructuring to the West and tot he West alone.

What EULEX decides is what happens, sorry to say.

Were it not for the West, the JNA would have annihilated the KLA and Kosovo would continue to be a part of Serbia.

Talk about ingratitude.

lili

pre 14 godina

well,it's becoming more and more interesant to see were stupidity will conduct them.
Of course eulex can sign even a declaration de guerre.But where does it bring them ?
insisting so much here is very strange and must convince albanians that kermabon very purpusely has engaged kosovo in a crisis.What for is the question?

lili

pre 14 godina

so ,it seems that we need to have some clarifications by europe,so that we can evaluate the situation: either eulex is the government of kosovo,and can sign laws and protocol in our names,or it is not.
That is the clarification that europe has to do.In both case,europe has to explain to all of us now why it is impossible for European states to inform Mr de Kermabon throught their bilateral,multilateral and so on cooperation.Did he really need to sign a protocol in our names-without even discussing it with kosovo autorities-to get information from serbia? or did he need this protocol to create a mess in kosovo and undermine Thaci autority?

Ron

pre 14 godina

"As for the defunct Ahtisaari plan, just flush it! "

Well this plan was never accepted by both sides so it does not exist at all!

1244 does exist however!

Micheal Breathnach

pre 14 godina

Eulex/ICO staff have the right to sign postcards in the occupied Serbian province of Kosovo i Metohija and that's about it!
As for the defunct Ahtisaari plan, just flush it!

MB,Ireland

Ron

pre 14 godina

his is not Berlin Congress or London Conference or Paris Peace Conference, those times are long gone.
EULEX will do it the Albanian way or the Hiway.
It's the truth and reality of the 21st century.
(Nelli_Canada, 29 August 2009 21:31)

The Albanian way? Fortunately we have international law. Time the Albanians will accept and obey it!

1244! Hope you finally get it!

Cvele

pre 14 godina

This document reportedly cites "second clause, article 146 of the Kosovo constitution" that states that "authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

U either answer to Serbia or to EULEX which answers to Serbia. In any case this is nothing short of admitting ur a province.

Aleks

pre 14 godina

"This is not a jungle and neither the late 18th century."

I'm not sure that jungle states would agree with your characterization that being so is incompatible with the rule of law.

As for the late C18, no? really?

Blood feuds, clan violence, depending on relative to get you a job, patronage and keeping it in the family. Very C18.

What is this, 'Back to the Future'?

Maybe albanian intransigence and breaking agreements willynilly with Serbia is fine for the 'international community' (USA, W. Europe of course), but stabbing your paymasters in the back is extremely foolish. Albanian supporters patience and more importantly, cash, is running out.

Maybe Kosovo (south's) motto should be "Rulez, we don't need no stinkin rulez"?

Every action like this leads to northern kosovo slipping closer to permanent detachment from the rest of Kosovo. Very helpful indeed!

Paradoxes Galore

pre 14 godina

Those EULEX guys are so smart one can drive a truck through their logic:

---"Although it does not recognize Kosovo's independence, the EU mission in Kosovo [EULEX] has warned the Kosovo leaders that most important documents of their state, the constitution and the Ahtisaari package, give EULEX powers to prepare a protocol on cooperation with Serbia,"

If the Constitution doesn't exist as per EU (Kosova is not recognized by EU as an org,) why use it to rule us? Or do they recognize the Constitution and Kosova as a independent state? Otherwise, it's like Serbia claiming a right under the Ahtisaari plan, without recognizing Kosova as a state.


---"the constitution of Kosovo recognizes the international civilian representative [Feith] as the final authority to interpret the Ahtisaari package, from which the constitution of Kosovo stems".

For the sake of argument let's assume that Peter Feith wakes up one day and says: "Kosovo is part of Singapore according to my interpretations of the Ahtisaari plan" and nothing convinces him otherwise. They call him insane but he says he is right. What we do do Peter?

---"prepared a document containing details from a letter that President Sejdiu sent to invite EULEX in February 2008"

So all Sejdiu has to do is prepare another letter annulling the first one? If he was competent to invite them, why isn't he able to send them back?

Nelli_Canada

pre 14 godina

This is not Berlin Congress or London Conference or Paris Peace Conference, those times are long gone.
EULEX will do it the Albanian way or the Hiway.
It's the truth and reality of the 21st century.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

As they met with the Kosovo Albanian leaders on Thursday, Kermabon and Feith also reminded that "the constitution of Kosovo recognizes the international civilian representative [Feith] as the final authority to interpret the Ahtisaari package, from which the constitution of Kosovo stems

BINGO, it was just a matter of time until EULEX will tell this kosovo muppet show who is the boss and where you guys don't like it, they certainly don't give a sh....
Of course as always the threatening will start, (we alreay have a good exemple on this site) but what are you going to do....

Time to learn that nothing comes free in this world and your pseudo independance has a price tag attached to it, time to read it...

Demi

pre 14 godina

Eulex should know that it is a very bad idea signing an agreament wich the represtentatives of the people of Kosovo has rejected. It means going against the people is not a wise choice and will only make people disslike you. And if albanians dosen't like you then you have no place on albanian territory. Just ask Serbia.

The same protocol was signed with Albania,Macedonia and Montenegro so Serbia shoulden't feel like it will benifit somthing from it. The reason the goverment of Kosovo rejects signing a protocol with Serbia is because Serbia has to recognize us first.


But in the end Kosovo will stay independent. Serbia just wants to play some games before they will realise this so let's play. Everybody knowes who will be the winner anyway. A country recognized by 60+ countrys cannot be a serbian territory again.

ben

pre 14 godina

article 146 of the Kosovo constitution" that states that "authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

If so than it must also be true that their (EULEX) decisions must not be in contrast with the Kosova's constitution.

If they are in contrast and breach the constitution than they are liable for attack on constitution.

That is the President of Republic decisions have also legal power, as well as say the Prime M decree etc but they still MUST be in accordance with the constitution and if they breach it than they are liable for attack on constitution and conspiracy.

As in every other case, you have privileges but you have also responsibilities.

So dear EULEX you don't have "carta bianca" for Kosova. This is not a jungle and neither the late 18th century.

pss

pre 14 godina

So Serbia is willing to sign a document with EULEX under the authority of the Constitution of Kosovo and rights granted by the Ahtissari plan.
Big turn of events if this article is true!

aRTA

pre 14 godina

"authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

---

So King Petar Feith can send in his army to arrest the 2 million subjects that oppose his absolute rule. He forgot the other article of the constitution.

Is King Petar responsible for the well being of his subjects? If so, where are the factories, and jobs, our "reward" for accepting his rule? Or he just wants to rule?

EULEX might soon join Bogdanovic to "rule" from Serbia, but I sense that they will wake up before that.

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

I love this clause:
"authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

Guess what this means?? You will listen to EULEX and their wishes, don't make your master angry!
I'm loving this....

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

I love this clause:
"authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

Guess what this means?? You will listen to EULEX and their wishes, don't make your master angry!
I'm loving this....

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

As they met with the Kosovo Albanian leaders on Thursday, Kermabon and Feith also reminded that "the constitution of Kosovo recognizes the international civilian representative [Feith] as the final authority to interpret the Ahtisaari package, from which the constitution of Kosovo stems

BINGO, it was just a matter of time until EULEX will tell this kosovo muppet show who is the boss and where you guys don't like it, they certainly don't give a sh....
Of course as always the threatening will start, (we alreay have a good exemple on this site) but what are you going to do....

Time to learn that nothing comes free in this world and your pseudo independance has a price tag attached to it, time to read it...

Micheal Breathnach

pre 14 godina

Eulex/ICO staff have the right to sign postcards in the occupied Serbian province of Kosovo i Metohija and that's about it!
As for the defunct Ahtisaari plan, just flush it!

MB,Ireland

Ron

pre 14 godina

his is not Berlin Congress or London Conference or Paris Peace Conference, those times are long gone.
EULEX will do it the Albanian way or the Hiway.
It's the truth and reality of the 21st century.
(Nelli_Canada, 29 August 2009 21:31)

The Albanian way? Fortunately we have international law. Time the Albanians will accept and obey it!

1244! Hope you finally get it!

Cvele

pre 14 godina

This document reportedly cites "second clause, article 146 of the Kosovo constitution" that states that "authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

U either answer to Serbia or to EULEX which answers to Serbia. In any case this is nothing short of admitting ur a province.

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

Kosovo owes its independence and restructuring to the West and tot he West alone.

What EULEX decides is what happens, sorry to say.

Were it not for the West, the JNA would have annihilated the KLA and Kosovo would continue to be a part of Serbia.

Talk about ingratitude.

Aleks

pre 14 godina

"This is not a jungle and neither the late 18th century."

I'm not sure that jungle states would agree with your characterization that being so is incompatible with the rule of law.

As for the late C18, no? really?

Blood feuds, clan violence, depending on relative to get you a job, patronage and keeping it in the family. Very C18.

What is this, 'Back to the Future'?

Maybe albanian intransigence and breaking agreements willynilly with Serbia is fine for the 'international community' (USA, W. Europe of course), but stabbing your paymasters in the back is extremely foolish. Albanian supporters patience and more importantly, cash, is running out.

Maybe Kosovo (south's) motto should be "Rulez, we don't need no stinkin rulez"?

Every action like this leads to northern kosovo slipping closer to permanent detachment from the rest of Kosovo. Very helpful indeed!

aRTA

pre 14 godina

"authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

---

So King Petar Feith can send in his army to arrest the 2 million subjects that oppose his absolute rule. He forgot the other article of the constitution.

Is King Petar responsible for the well being of his subjects? If so, where are the factories, and jobs, our "reward" for accepting his rule? Or he just wants to rule?

EULEX might soon join Bogdanovic to "rule" from Serbia, but I sense that they will wake up before that.

ben

pre 14 godina

article 146 of the Kosovo constitution" that states that "authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

If so than it must also be true that their (EULEX) decisions must not be in contrast with the Kosova's constitution.

If they are in contrast and breach the constitution than they are liable for attack on constitution.

That is the President of Republic decisions have also legal power, as well as say the Prime M decree etc but they still MUST be in accordance with the constitution and if they breach it than they are liable for attack on constitution and conspiracy.

As in every other case, you have privileges but you have also responsibilities.

So dear EULEX you don't have "carta bianca" for Kosova. This is not a jungle and neither the late 18th century.

Ron

pre 14 godina

"As for the defunct Ahtisaari plan, just flush it! "

Well this plan was never accepted by both sides so it does not exist at all!

1244 does exist however!

Ron

pre 14 godina

lili,

Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN. UNMIK/EULEX is in charge.

So yes, of course EULEX is signing on behalf of Kosovo province.

Who else should sign? I mean, Kosovo is a province not a state. And we all know that! Reality hurts sometimes.

Hope the Albanians leaders have the guts to tell the people the truth: Kosovo is NOT independent!

pss

pre 14 godina

So Serbia is willing to sign a document with EULEX under the authority of the Constitution of Kosovo and rights granted by the Ahtissari plan.
Big turn of events if this article is true!

Demi

pre 14 godina

Eulex should know that it is a very bad idea signing an agreament wich the represtentatives of the people of Kosovo has rejected. It means going against the people is not a wise choice and will only make people disslike you. And if albanians dosen't like you then you have no place on albanian territory. Just ask Serbia.

The same protocol was signed with Albania,Macedonia and Montenegro so Serbia shoulden't feel like it will benifit somthing from it. The reason the goverment of Kosovo rejects signing a protocol with Serbia is because Serbia has to recognize us first.


But in the end Kosovo will stay independent. Serbia just wants to play some games before they will realise this so let's play. Everybody knowes who will be the winner anyway. A country recognized by 60+ countrys cannot be a serbian territory again.

Ron

pre 14 godina

Talk about ingratitude.
(Peter Sudyka, 30 August 2009 19:29)

Yes, Peter, I agree. We, the West, intervened in 1999. To stop the killling. Not to create a new, second Albanian state.

We give a lot of money to this Kosovo province. We help them to govern this province. And what do we get back: THEY DESTROY OUR CARS!

Mind my words: this won't take long. The West will tell the Albanians to be quiet!!

Daveo Dinkum

pre 14 godina

My sides are almost splitting from laughter reading comments from the comedians on here claiming that EULEX must comply with Albanian demands or hit the road. You and whose army??

Sit down, be quiet, and obey your masters.

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

genti

Typical nationalist rhetoric. Trying to "liberate" who from what? Sounds like you are advocating the destruction of a sovereign state.

This is why the EU is talking on a diplomatic level with Serbia, not with Kosovo's politicians. They are a state, you are a colony, it's clear who is more important to the EU and your dreams of "ruining" their aspirations will simply fail in the future.

Albanians are losing credibility with the West, they see through your perceptions and will leave you alone to try and do it, though then you can expect Serbia to annihilate any such efforts, even with NATO's support. You just love isolation, don't you?

Why does the US not say anything? Because Kosovo is the EU's responsibility, not the US's. The US does not care about Kosovo and has much more important things on their agenda. Oh, and they will not risk relations with the EU over Kosovo, so don't count on their support in the event that diplomatic conflict arises between the EU (the world's largest economy) and Kosovo (which has the GDP of a village somewhere in the EU).

Ron

pre 14 godina

People like you are the cause of the Balkan being so backward.
Liberating? Learn to live together. Like the Germans in Belgium.

Why you want a Greater Albania?

Paradoxes Galore

pre 14 godina

Those EULEX guys are so smart one can drive a truck through their logic:

---"Although it does not recognize Kosovo's independence, the EU mission in Kosovo [EULEX] has warned the Kosovo leaders that most important documents of their state, the constitution and the Ahtisaari package, give EULEX powers to prepare a protocol on cooperation with Serbia,"

If the Constitution doesn't exist as per EU (Kosova is not recognized by EU as an org,) why use it to rule us? Or do they recognize the Constitution and Kosova as a independent state? Otherwise, it's like Serbia claiming a right under the Ahtisaari plan, without recognizing Kosova as a state.


---"the constitution of Kosovo recognizes the international civilian representative [Feith] as the final authority to interpret the Ahtisaari package, from which the constitution of Kosovo stems".

For the sake of argument let's assume that Peter Feith wakes up one day and says: "Kosovo is part of Singapore according to my interpretations of the Ahtisaari plan" and nothing convinces him otherwise. They call him insane but he says he is right. What we do do Peter?

---"prepared a document containing details from a letter that President Sejdiu sent to invite EULEX in February 2008"

So all Sejdiu has to do is prepare another letter annulling the first one? If he was competent to invite them, why isn't he able to send them back?

Ron

pre 14 godina

genti,

Out? Who? The people who saved you back in 1999?

Goal? The goal was to stop the killing. Not to create a new state?

Blocking? Russia and China will block Kosovo at the UN. Spain and others will block Kosovo at the EU.

Result? A mess. Very unneeded mess. Had taken the Slovakia route plesas.

And stop wasting our Western money please!

Nelli_Canada

pre 14 godina

This is not Berlin Congress or London Conference or Paris Peace Conference, those times are long gone.
EULEX will do it the Albanian way or the Hiway.
It's the truth and reality of the 21st century.

braveheart22

pre 14 godina

It makes me wonder when I read that every Serbian commentary in this website contains the phrase: Kosovo is not a State, its a province! As if you are trying to convince yourselves in the first place!
and to Ron: Dont you worry about "your" taxes. Theyr deposited first hand in the EU Banks. The EU never made any substantial capital investments in Kosovo. Therefore, take a deep breath and simply relax! And about your question on why Germans can live peacefully in Belgium? Thats because Belgium didnt have a Milosevic like Serbia did - fortunately. It is that simple!

genti

pre 14 godina

Peter,

Kosovo is not losing credibility. That's why Kosovo's allies are not supporting Solana's another term.
The US has warned EU bureaucrats about these events a long time ago. I guess finally they see it. EU's credibility at state here.

In the end, it's Serbia who is getting blocked by Kosovo to get visa liberalization.
So much about mocking and underestimating Kosovo. Too bad, the Serb media suppressed the news of French Government.

Do you really think that Kosovo is alone on this? Do you really believe that there is no one backing for Kosovo going against the protocol?!!You are only fooling yourself, if you believe so!!!

Geopolitically, in the world, this is another proof that Kosovo has its international subjectivity and its capable to block another country. So much abotu Jeremic's dream.
the Goal Accomplished! Out!

Milan

pre 14 godina

Thats because Belgium didnt have a Milosevic like Serbia did - fortunately. It is that simple!
(braveheart22, 31 August 2009 21:14)

I will waiting for the time when Flemish Region unilateral declare independence. I will waiting for Belgium government reaction. I will waitin for the time when Belgium army will started fights against Flemish separatist. Probably king of Belgium and Belgium government will be very happy and very quickly recognize Flemish independence?? I will waiting for this moment my friend ;)

lili

pre 14 godina

well,it's becoming more and more interesant to see were stupidity will conduct them.
Of course eulex can sign even a declaration de guerre.But where does it bring them ?
insisting so much here is very strange and must convince albanians that kermabon very purpusely has engaged kosovo in a crisis.What for is the question?

lili

pre 14 godina

so ,it seems that we need to have some clarifications by europe,so that we can evaluate the situation: either eulex is the government of kosovo,and can sign laws and protocol in our names,or it is not.
That is the clarification that europe has to do.In both case,europe has to explain to all of us now why it is impossible for European states to inform Mr de Kermabon throught their bilateral,multilateral and so on cooperation.Did he really need to sign a protocol in our names-without even discussing it with kosovo autorities-to get information from serbia? or did he need this protocol to create a mess in kosovo and undermine Thaci autority?

genti

pre 14 godina

the naiveté of serb camp is beyond me. Are you paying attention to "neutrality" or the protocol?

Is EULEX neutral? How come they are quoting Kosovo Constitution? LOL. Duped again!

Kosovars are playing a wild card at this point. Productive at best. Ruining Serbia's EU future is the best alternative. Get Tadic out and bring in nationalists. It's a best way to liberate Sandjak, Vojvodina, Presheva Valley Region.

Btw, have you noticed the US silence?
They don't mind what Kosovars are demanding.

lili

pre 14 godina

ooh,from what i read here,some of our "internationals" miss the colonial time!
Ron,empires and states used all the means they can to try to "quiet" albanians,and guess what,they did not succed!
We have survive to centuries of oppression,don't worry we will be as quiet as necessery to see our albanian lands free.

Amer

pre 14 godina

'Why does the US not say anything?'

Because more can be accomplished by talking quietly than by making statements to the newspapers.

'Because Kosovo is the EU's responsibility, not the US's. '

Ideally, true, but the EU is splintered and the U.S. is taking a more active role than it probably intended to - in equipping the defense force, participating in the EULEX rule-of-law mission, contributing to writing off the national debt. Etc.

'The US does not care about Kosovo and has much more important things on their agenda.'

The U.S. can do more than one thing at a time. The Balkans are not an urgent priority, since things are progressing in the right direction, if slowly. And there's always the possibility that the ICJ opinion next year will end many of the existing problems - lack of total EU support for Kosova's independence, for example.

'Oh, and they will not risk relations with the EU over Kosovo, so don't count on their support in the event that diplomatic conflict arises between the EU (the world's largest economy) and Kosovo (which has the GDP of a village somewhere in the EU).'

The differences between EULEX bureaucrats and Prishtina are hardly going to rise to this level. If there's one thing the Europeans don't do, it's take hard, unyielding stands. They'll find some way to finesse the current problem.

Bez_Cenzure

pre 14 godina

I'm just amazed by albanian being unfamiliar with situation in Serbia. They just don't get it that Vojvodina is region with absolute Serbian majority and true multiethnic part of Serbia which cannot be compared to Kosovo at all.

Region of Raška is also multiethnic but Kosovo is not and cannot be until Albanians give up of their goal of ethnically clean territory of Kosovo. You see maybe this is albanian 5 minutes but it won't be forever.

Demi

pre 14 godina

Eulex should know that it is a very bad idea signing an agreament wich the represtentatives of the people of Kosovo has rejected. It means going against the people is not a wise choice and will only make people disslike you. And if albanians dosen't like you then you have no place on albanian territory. Just ask Serbia.

The same protocol was signed with Albania,Macedonia and Montenegro so Serbia shoulden't feel like it will benifit somthing from it. The reason the goverment of Kosovo rejects signing a protocol with Serbia is because Serbia has to recognize us first.


But in the end Kosovo will stay independent. Serbia just wants to play some games before they will realise this so let's play. Everybody knowes who will be the winner anyway. A country recognized by 60+ countrys cannot be a serbian territory again.

ben

pre 14 godina

article 146 of the Kosovo constitution" that states that "authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

If so than it must also be true that their (EULEX) decisions must not be in contrast with the Kosova's constitution.

If they are in contrast and breach the constitution than they are liable for attack on constitution.

That is the President of Republic decisions have also legal power, as well as say the Prime M decree etc but they still MUST be in accordance with the constitution and if they breach it than they are liable for attack on constitution and conspiracy.

As in every other case, you have privileges but you have also responsibilities.

So dear EULEX you don't have "carta bianca" for Kosova. This is not a jungle and neither the late 18th century.

Nelli_Canada

pre 14 godina

This is not Berlin Congress or London Conference or Paris Peace Conference, those times are long gone.
EULEX will do it the Albanian way or the Hiway.
It's the truth and reality of the 21st century.

aRTA

pre 14 godina

"authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

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So King Petar Feith can send in his army to arrest the 2 million subjects that oppose his absolute rule. He forgot the other article of the constitution.

Is King Petar responsible for the well being of his subjects? If so, where are the factories, and jobs, our "reward" for accepting his rule? Or he just wants to rule?

EULEX might soon join Bogdanovic to "rule" from Serbia, but I sense that they will wake up before that.

pss

pre 14 godina

So Serbia is willing to sign a document with EULEX under the authority of the Constitution of Kosovo and rights granted by the Ahtissari plan.
Big turn of events if this article is true!

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

I love this clause:
"authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

Guess what this means?? You will listen to EULEX and their wishes, don't make your master angry!
I'm loving this....

Paradoxes Galore

pre 14 godina

Those EULEX guys are so smart one can drive a truck through their logic:

---"Although it does not recognize Kosovo's independence, the EU mission in Kosovo [EULEX] has warned the Kosovo leaders that most important documents of their state, the constitution and the Ahtisaari package, give EULEX powers to prepare a protocol on cooperation with Serbia,"

If the Constitution doesn't exist as per EU (Kosova is not recognized by EU as an org,) why use it to rule us? Or do they recognize the Constitution and Kosova as a independent state? Otherwise, it's like Serbia claiming a right under the Ahtisaari plan, without recognizing Kosova as a state.


---"the constitution of Kosovo recognizes the international civilian representative [Feith] as the final authority to interpret the Ahtisaari package, from which the constitution of Kosovo stems".

For the sake of argument let's assume that Peter Feith wakes up one day and says: "Kosovo is part of Singapore according to my interpretations of the Ahtisaari plan" and nothing convinces him otherwise. They call him insane but he says he is right. What we do do Peter?

---"prepared a document containing details from a letter that President Sejdiu sent to invite EULEX in February 2008"

So all Sejdiu has to do is prepare another letter annulling the first one? If he was competent to invite them, why isn't he able to send them back?

genti

pre 14 godina

Peter,

Kosovo is not losing credibility. That's why Kosovo's allies are not supporting Solana's another term.
The US has warned EU bureaucrats about these events a long time ago. I guess finally they see it. EU's credibility at state here.

In the end, it's Serbia who is getting blocked by Kosovo to get visa liberalization.
So much about mocking and underestimating Kosovo. Too bad, the Serb media suppressed the news of French Government.

Do you really think that Kosovo is alone on this? Do you really believe that there is no one backing for Kosovo going against the protocol?!!You are only fooling yourself, if you believe so!!!

Geopolitically, in the world, this is another proof that Kosovo has its international subjectivity and its capable to block another country. So much abotu Jeremic's dream.
the Goal Accomplished! Out!

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

As they met with the Kosovo Albanian leaders on Thursday, Kermabon and Feith also reminded that "the constitution of Kosovo recognizes the international civilian representative [Feith] as the final authority to interpret the Ahtisaari package, from which the constitution of Kosovo stems

BINGO, it was just a matter of time until EULEX will tell this kosovo muppet show who is the boss and where you guys don't like it, they certainly don't give a sh....
Of course as always the threatening will start, (we alreay have a good exemple on this site) but what are you going to do....

Time to learn that nothing comes free in this world and your pseudo independance has a price tag attached to it, time to read it...

genti

pre 14 godina

the naiveté of serb camp is beyond me. Are you paying attention to "neutrality" or the protocol?

Is EULEX neutral? How come they are quoting Kosovo Constitution? LOL. Duped again!

Kosovars are playing a wild card at this point. Productive at best. Ruining Serbia's EU future is the best alternative. Get Tadic out and bring in nationalists. It's a best way to liberate Sandjak, Vojvodina, Presheva Valley Region.

Btw, have you noticed the US silence?
They don't mind what Kosovars are demanding.

lili

pre 14 godina

well,it's becoming more and more interesant to see were stupidity will conduct them.
Of course eulex can sign even a declaration de guerre.But where does it bring them ?
insisting so much here is very strange and must convince albanians that kermabon very purpusely has engaged kosovo in a crisis.What for is the question?

lili

pre 14 godina

ooh,from what i read here,some of our "internationals" miss the colonial time!
Ron,empires and states used all the means they can to try to "quiet" albanians,and guess what,they did not succed!
We have survive to centuries of oppression,don't worry we will be as quiet as necessery to see our albanian lands free.

braveheart22

pre 14 godina

It makes me wonder when I read that every Serbian commentary in this website contains the phrase: Kosovo is not a State, its a province! As if you are trying to convince yourselves in the first place!
and to Ron: Dont you worry about "your" taxes. Theyr deposited first hand in the EU Banks. The EU never made any substantial capital investments in Kosovo. Therefore, take a deep breath and simply relax! And about your question on why Germans can live peacefully in Belgium? Thats because Belgium didnt have a Milosevic like Serbia did - fortunately. It is that simple!

Ron

pre 14 godina

his is not Berlin Congress or London Conference or Paris Peace Conference, those times are long gone.
EULEX will do it the Albanian way or the Hiway.
It's the truth and reality of the 21st century.
(Nelli_Canada, 29 August 2009 21:31)

The Albanian way? Fortunately we have international law. Time the Albanians will accept and obey it!

1244! Hope you finally get it!

lili

pre 14 godina

so ,it seems that we need to have some clarifications by europe,so that we can evaluate the situation: either eulex is the government of kosovo,and can sign laws and protocol in our names,or it is not.
That is the clarification that europe has to do.In both case,europe has to explain to all of us now why it is impossible for European states to inform Mr de Kermabon throught their bilateral,multilateral and so on cooperation.Did he really need to sign a protocol in our names-without even discussing it with kosovo autorities-to get information from serbia? or did he need this protocol to create a mess in kosovo and undermine Thaci autority?

Cvele

pre 14 godina

This document reportedly cites "second clause, article 146 of the Kosovo constitution" that states that "authorities of the republic of Kosovo fully cooperate with organizations and other international actors who have a mandate in Kosovo according to the proposal to solve the status of Kosovo [Ahtisaari package] and among others, their decisions have legal power".

U either answer to Serbia or to EULEX which answers to Serbia. In any case this is nothing short of admitting ur a province.

Micheal Breathnach

pre 14 godina

Eulex/ICO staff have the right to sign postcards in the occupied Serbian province of Kosovo i Metohija and that's about it!
As for the defunct Ahtisaari plan, just flush it!

MB,Ireland

Amer

pre 14 godina

'Why does the US not say anything?'

Because more can be accomplished by talking quietly than by making statements to the newspapers.

'Because Kosovo is the EU's responsibility, not the US's. '

Ideally, true, but the EU is splintered and the U.S. is taking a more active role than it probably intended to - in equipping the defense force, participating in the EULEX rule-of-law mission, contributing to writing off the national debt. Etc.

'The US does not care about Kosovo and has much more important things on their agenda.'

The U.S. can do more than one thing at a time. The Balkans are not an urgent priority, since things are progressing in the right direction, if slowly. And there's always the possibility that the ICJ opinion next year will end many of the existing problems - lack of total EU support for Kosova's independence, for example.

'Oh, and they will not risk relations with the EU over Kosovo, so don't count on their support in the event that diplomatic conflict arises between the EU (the world's largest economy) and Kosovo (which has the GDP of a village somewhere in the EU).'

The differences between EULEX bureaucrats and Prishtina are hardly going to rise to this level. If there's one thing the Europeans don't do, it's take hard, unyielding stands. They'll find some way to finesse the current problem.

Milan

pre 14 godina

Thats because Belgium didnt have a Milosevic like Serbia did - fortunately. It is that simple!
(braveheart22, 31 August 2009 21:14)

I will waiting for the time when Flemish Region unilateral declare independence. I will waiting for Belgium government reaction. I will waitin for the time when Belgium army will started fights against Flemish separatist. Probably king of Belgium and Belgium government will be very happy and very quickly recognize Flemish independence?? I will waiting for this moment my friend ;)

Aleks

pre 14 godina

"This is not a jungle and neither the late 18th century."

I'm not sure that jungle states would agree with your characterization that being so is incompatible with the rule of law.

As for the late C18, no? really?

Blood feuds, clan violence, depending on relative to get you a job, patronage and keeping it in the family. Very C18.

What is this, 'Back to the Future'?

Maybe albanian intransigence and breaking agreements willynilly with Serbia is fine for the 'international community' (USA, W. Europe of course), but stabbing your paymasters in the back is extremely foolish. Albanian supporters patience and more importantly, cash, is running out.

Maybe Kosovo (south's) motto should be "Rulez, we don't need no stinkin rulez"?

Every action like this leads to northern kosovo slipping closer to permanent detachment from the rest of Kosovo. Very helpful indeed!

Ron

pre 14 godina

"As for the defunct Ahtisaari plan, just flush it! "

Well this plan was never accepted by both sides so it does not exist at all!

1244 does exist however!

Ron

pre 14 godina

lili,

Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN. UNMIK/EULEX is in charge.

So yes, of course EULEX is signing on behalf of Kosovo province.

Who else should sign? I mean, Kosovo is a province not a state. And we all know that! Reality hurts sometimes.

Hope the Albanians leaders have the guts to tell the people the truth: Kosovo is NOT independent!

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

Kosovo owes its independence and restructuring to the West and tot he West alone.

What EULEX decides is what happens, sorry to say.

Were it not for the West, the JNA would have annihilated the KLA and Kosovo would continue to be a part of Serbia.

Talk about ingratitude.

Ron

pre 14 godina

Talk about ingratitude.
(Peter Sudyka, 30 August 2009 19:29)

Yes, Peter, I agree. We, the West, intervened in 1999. To stop the killling. Not to create a new, second Albanian state.

We give a lot of money to this Kosovo province. We help them to govern this province. And what do we get back: THEY DESTROY OUR CARS!

Mind my words: this won't take long. The West will tell the Albanians to be quiet!!

Daveo Dinkum

pre 14 godina

My sides are almost splitting from laughter reading comments from the comedians on here claiming that EULEX must comply with Albanian demands or hit the road. You and whose army??

Sit down, be quiet, and obey your masters.

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

genti

Typical nationalist rhetoric. Trying to "liberate" who from what? Sounds like you are advocating the destruction of a sovereign state.

This is why the EU is talking on a diplomatic level with Serbia, not with Kosovo's politicians. They are a state, you are a colony, it's clear who is more important to the EU and your dreams of "ruining" their aspirations will simply fail in the future.

Albanians are losing credibility with the West, they see through your perceptions and will leave you alone to try and do it, though then you can expect Serbia to annihilate any such efforts, even with NATO's support. You just love isolation, don't you?

Why does the US not say anything? Because Kosovo is the EU's responsibility, not the US's. The US does not care about Kosovo and has much more important things on their agenda. Oh, and they will not risk relations with the EU over Kosovo, so don't count on their support in the event that diplomatic conflict arises between the EU (the world's largest economy) and Kosovo (which has the GDP of a village somewhere in the EU).

Ron

pre 14 godina

People like you are the cause of the Balkan being so backward.
Liberating? Learn to live together. Like the Germans in Belgium.

Why you want a Greater Albania?

Ron

pre 14 godina

genti,

Out? Who? The people who saved you back in 1999?

Goal? The goal was to stop the killing. Not to create a new state?

Blocking? Russia and China will block Kosovo at the UN. Spain and others will block Kosovo at the EU.

Result? A mess. Very unneeded mess. Had taken the Slovakia route plesas.

And stop wasting our Western money please!

Bez_Cenzure

pre 14 godina

I'm just amazed by albanian being unfamiliar with situation in Serbia. They just don't get it that Vojvodina is region with absolute Serbian majority and true multiethnic part of Serbia which cannot be compared to Kosovo at all.

Region of Raška is also multiethnic but Kosovo is not and cannot be until Albanians give up of their goal of ethnically clean territory of Kosovo. You see maybe this is albanian 5 minutes but it won't be forever.