Jovan, Serbia wasn't offering anything. Serbia has no veto power in the World Bank or the IMF. Serbia also has no say whatsoever who becomes a member of the IMF or the World Bank. So Serbia was offering something it didn't own. So what was Serbia offering really? Simple answer; Serbia wasn't offering anything. It is the same as If I offered the Serbs, Serbian nationality.
Also someone here talked about how there were/are UN members but they are not independent. I have been saying here for a year now that UN membership does not make one a state. Individual recognitions from the countries in the world do. If vast majority and most powerful countries recognize you as independent then you are independent whether or not Jeremic likes it or not; and whether or not he mentions the UN or not. Its a process; it takes time and we are on the right way.
That's why they are called UNITED STATES of America. States stands for purpose there. In China you cannot have that, or Russia or in any other unitarian states as Serbia for e.g.
But in US the states cannot have separate monetary policy. Which again Serbia and Kosova do have. So now you have second fact.
(ben, 27 August 2009 22:09)
Do You know that soviet republic of Ukraine and Belorussia were members of United Nations?? But this soviet republic were not independent states but part of Soviet Union. Do You know, that Palestinian Autonomy is member of UN?? Autonomi is not independent state.
So - I know 3 territories who were (or are) members of UN, but were not independent states. At this moment "independent" Kosovo have any chance to be UN member. So - autonomous states like soviet republics or Palestinian Autonomy have more rights than "independent" Kosovo :D
'That's why they are called UNITED STATES of America. States stands for purpose there. In China you cannot have that, or Russia or in any other unitarian states as Serbia for e.g.
But in US the states cannot have separate monetary policy. Which again Serbia and Kosova do have. So now you have second fact.'
A third fact: actually, *it* is called the United States of America - "out of many, one" (E pluribus unum, as it says on our currency). People started to refer to the country in the singular after the Civil War: before it, Americans (like present-day Europeans), said "the United States are ..." - now only "the United States is ..." is proper. (When you grow up with it, it seems obvious and perfectly natural.)
"The irony is that the write off was promised to K-Adminstration and Serbia was no part of it at all. Part of the write-off was paid by US government and now Serbia claims as if the write-off is paid to release Serbia from the debt. This leads me to the simple question. How does Serbia sees any positive development in Kosova? After all Serbia will never recognize Kosova and anything taking place in the "province" supposedly is taking place in Serbia. Shouldn't Serb government, by this deduction, encourage the positive trend taking place in Kosova? The same question goes to any poster who tries to trash anything positive going on in Pristina.
(miri, 27 August 2009 21:40)"
it all makes perfect sense. until such times as certain international institutions and states cease hindering and preventing Serbia from fulfilling its obligations to its citizens then those same states and institutions cannot hold Serbia to account. Get it? It's called mutuality of obligations.
""One question is of the country’s sovereignty, the other is a question of fiscal policies,” Dinkić said...
...and all the Serbs believed it.
(Marco, 27 August 2009 18:28) "
that´s what Serbia offered the K-albanians anyway - remember? more than autonomy, less than independence? -
so, what you think confirms Kosovo´s "statehood" or "slipping away", actually has no real relevance.
but, if it makes you k-albanians feel good - perfect!
as I am saying it for quite a while now: you are being duped, and how thoroughly you are being duped can be seen in that little sentence "and all Serbs believe it"! :)
Marc, it´s you who cling to pure illusion, you only do not realize it yet.
USA, and they're all separate from the national. so you can have separate fiscal policies without having separate soverign states.
(bob, 27 August 2009 20:06)
That's why they are called UNITED STATES of America. States stands for purpose there. In China you cannot have that, or Russia or in any other unitarian states as Serbia for e.g.
But in US the states cannot have separate monetary policy. Which again Serbia and Kosova do have. So now you have second fact.
I like this news a lot. It all perfectly makes sense and Dinkic must push for a total release of all Serbian debt over its temporarily breakaway province.
And Kosovo Serbs can definitely make use of some help in $$$.
The irony is that the write off was promised to K-Adminstration and Serbia was no part of it at all. Part of the write-off was paid by US government and now Serbia claims as if the write-off is paid to release Serbia from the debt. This leads me to the simple question. How does Serbia sees any positive development in Kosova? After all Serbia will never recognize Kosova and anything taking place in the "province" supposedly is taking place in Serbia. Shouldn't Serb government, by this deduction, encourage the positive trend taking place in Kosova? The same question goes to any poster who tries to trash anything positive going on in Pristina.
bob, All Californians are subject to US federal law and the California cannot enact any laws which conflict with federal law.
Kosovo is not subject to any Serbian laws.
One step does not equal independence recognition, but one step here, one step of accepting visa liberalization without Kosovo, one step etc, etc.
i just read somewhere that california has its own budget, as do each of the states within USA, and they're all separate from the national. so you can have separate fiscal policies without having separate soverign states.
"[...]One question is of the country’s sovereignty, the other is a question of fiscal policies,” Dinkić said."
So according to Dinkic you can make fiscal policy independently from the state sovereignty.
That is I can go now in Serbia and collect say 1% less taxes than the Serbian Govt asks from her citizens. They can choose or to pay me less taxes or to Dindic more- the fiscal policy is another thing from sovereignty it lives his own life according to Dindic. The "only" thing that worries me is the competition: I don't want to see Thaci coming in Serbia and collecting taxes even less than I am prepared to do :)
"[...]One question is of the country’s sovereignty, the other is a question of fiscal policies,” Dinkić said."
So according to Dinkic you can make fiscal policy independently from the state sovereignty.
That is I can go now in Serbia and collect say 1% less taxes than the Serbian Govt asks from her citizens. They can choose or to pay me less taxes or to Dindic more- the fiscal policy is another thing from sovereignty it lives his own life according to Dindic. The "only" thing that worries me is the competition: I don't want to see Thaci coming in Serbia and collecting taxes even less than I am prepared to do :)
bob, All Californians are subject to US federal law and the California cannot enact any laws which conflict with federal law.
Kosovo is not subject to any Serbian laws.
One step does not equal independence recognition, but one step here, one step of accepting visa liberalization without Kosovo, one step etc, etc.
The irony is that the write off was promised to K-Adminstration and Serbia was no part of it at all. Part of the write-off was paid by US government and now Serbia claims as if the write-off is paid to release Serbia from the debt. This leads me to the simple question. How does Serbia sees any positive development in Kosova? After all Serbia will never recognize Kosova and anything taking place in the "province" supposedly is taking place in Serbia. Shouldn't Serb government, by this deduction, encourage the positive trend taking place in Kosova? The same question goes to any poster who tries to trash anything positive going on in Pristina.
i just read somewhere that california has its own budget, as do each of the states within USA, and they're all separate from the national. so you can have separate fiscal policies without having separate soverign states.
USA, and they're all separate from the national. so you can have separate fiscal policies without having separate soverign states.
(bob, 27 August 2009 20:06)
That's why they are called UNITED STATES of America. States stands for purpose there. In China you cannot have that, or Russia or in any other unitarian states as Serbia for e.g.
But in US the states cannot have separate monetary policy. Which again Serbia and Kosova do have. So now you have second fact.
""One question is of the country’s sovereignty, the other is a question of fiscal policies,” Dinkić said...
...and all the Serbs believed it.
(Marco, 27 August 2009 18:28) "
that´s what Serbia offered the K-albanians anyway - remember? more than autonomy, less than independence? -
so, what you think confirms Kosovo´s "statehood" or "slipping away", actually has no real relevance.
but, if it makes you k-albanians feel good - perfect!
as I am saying it for quite a while now: you are being duped, and how thoroughly you are being duped can be seen in that little sentence "and all Serbs believe it"! :)
Marc, it´s you who cling to pure illusion, you only do not realize it yet.
I like this news a lot. It all perfectly makes sense and Dinkic must push for a total release of all Serbian debt over its temporarily breakaway province.
And Kosovo Serbs can definitely make use of some help in $$$.
That's why they are called UNITED STATES of America. States stands for purpose there. In China you cannot have that, or Russia or in any other unitarian states as Serbia for e.g.
But in US the states cannot have separate monetary policy. Which again Serbia and Kosova do have. So now you have second fact.
(ben, 27 August 2009 22:09)
Do You know that soviet republic of Ukraine and Belorussia were members of United Nations?? But this soviet republic were not independent states but part of Soviet Union. Do You know, that Palestinian Autonomy is member of UN?? Autonomi is not independent state.
So - I know 3 territories who were (or are) members of UN, but were not independent states. At this moment "independent" Kosovo have any chance to be UN member. So - autonomous states like soviet republics or Palestinian Autonomy have more rights than "independent" Kosovo :D
"The irony is that the write off was promised to K-Adminstration and Serbia was no part of it at all. Part of the write-off was paid by US government and now Serbia claims as if the write-off is paid to release Serbia from the debt. This leads me to the simple question. How does Serbia sees any positive development in Kosova? After all Serbia will never recognize Kosova and anything taking place in the "province" supposedly is taking place in Serbia. Shouldn't Serb government, by this deduction, encourage the positive trend taking place in Kosova? The same question goes to any poster who tries to trash anything positive going on in Pristina.
(miri, 27 August 2009 21:40)"
it all makes perfect sense. until such times as certain international institutions and states cease hindering and preventing Serbia from fulfilling its obligations to its citizens then those same states and institutions cannot hold Serbia to account. Get it? It's called mutuality of obligations.
Jovan, Serbia wasn't offering anything. Serbia has no veto power in the World Bank or the IMF. Serbia also has no say whatsoever who becomes a member of the IMF or the World Bank. So Serbia was offering something it didn't own. So what was Serbia offering really? Simple answer; Serbia wasn't offering anything. It is the same as If I offered the Serbs, Serbian nationality.
Also someone here talked about how there were/are UN members but they are not independent. I have been saying here for a year now that UN membership does not make one a state. Individual recognitions from the countries in the world do. If vast majority and most powerful countries recognize you as independent then you are independent whether or not Jeremic likes it or not; and whether or not he mentions the UN or not. Its a process; it takes time and we are on the right way.
'That's why they are called UNITED STATES of America. States stands for purpose there. In China you cannot have that, or Russia or in any other unitarian states as Serbia for e.g.
But in US the states cannot have separate monetary policy. Which again Serbia and Kosova do have. So now you have second fact.'
A third fact: actually, *it* is called the United States of America - "out of many, one" (E pluribus unum, as it says on our currency). People started to refer to the country in the singular after the Civil War: before it, Americans (like present-day Europeans), said "the United States are ..." - now only "the United States is ..." is proper. (When you grow up with it, it seems obvious and perfectly natural.)
i just read somewhere that california has its own budget, as do each of the states within USA, and they're all separate from the national. so you can have separate fiscal policies without having separate soverign states.
""One question is of the country’s sovereignty, the other is a question of fiscal policies,” Dinkić said...
...and all the Serbs believed it.
(Marco, 27 August 2009 18:28) "
that´s what Serbia offered the K-albanians anyway - remember? more than autonomy, less than independence? -
so, what you think confirms Kosovo´s "statehood" or "slipping away", actually has no real relevance.
but, if it makes you k-albanians feel good - perfect!
as I am saying it for quite a while now: you are being duped, and how thoroughly you are being duped can be seen in that little sentence "and all Serbs believe it"! :)
Marc, it´s you who cling to pure illusion, you only do not realize it yet.
I like this news a lot. It all perfectly makes sense and Dinkic must push for a total release of all Serbian debt over its temporarily breakaway province.
And Kosovo Serbs can definitely make use of some help in $$$.
"[...]One question is of the country’s sovereignty, the other is a question of fiscal policies,” Dinkić said."
So according to Dinkic you can make fiscal policy independently from the state sovereignty.
That is I can go now in Serbia and collect say 1% less taxes than the Serbian Govt asks from her citizens. They can choose or to pay me less taxes or to Dindic more- the fiscal policy is another thing from sovereignty it lives his own life according to Dindic. The "only" thing that worries me is the competition: I don't want to see Thaci coming in Serbia and collecting taxes even less than I am prepared to do :)
bob, All Californians are subject to US federal law and the California cannot enact any laws which conflict with federal law.
Kosovo is not subject to any Serbian laws.
One step does not equal independence recognition, but one step here, one step of accepting visa liberalization without Kosovo, one step etc, etc.
The irony is that the write off was promised to K-Adminstration and Serbia was no part of it at all. Part of the write-off was paid by US government and now Serbia claims as if the write-off is paid to release Serbia from the debt. This leads me to the simple question. How does Serbia sees any positive development in Kosova? After all Serbia will never recognize Kosova and anything taking place in the "province" supposedly is taking place in Serbia. Shouldn't Serb government, by this deduction, encourage the positive trend taking place in Kosova? The same question goes to any poster who tries to trash anything positive going on in Pristina.
USA, and they're all separate from the national. so you can have separate fiscal policies without having separate soverign states.
(bob, 27 August 2009 20:06)
That's why they are called UNITED STATES of America. States stands for purpose there. In China you cannot have that, or Russia or in any other unitarian states as Serbia for e.g.
But in US the states cannot have separate monetary policy. Which again Serbia and Kosova do have. So now you have second fact.
That's why they are called UNITED STATES of America. States stands for purpose there. In China you cannot have that, or Russia or in any other unitarian states as Serbia for e.g.
But in US the states cannot have separate monetary policy. Which again Serbia and Kosova do have. So now you have second fact.
(ben, 27 August 2009 22:09)
Do You know that soviet republic of Ukraine and Belorussia were members of United Nations?? But this soviet republic were not independent states but part of Soviet Union. Do You know, that Palestinian Autonomy is member of UN?? Autonomi is not independent state.
So - I know 3 territories who were (or are) members of UN, but were not independent states. At this moment "independent" Kosovo have any chance to be UN member. So - autonomous states like soviet republics or Palestinian Autonomy have more rights than "independent" Kosovo :D
Jovan, Serbia wasn't offering anything. Serbia has no veto power in the World Bank or the IMF. Serbia also has no say whatsoever who becomes a member of the IMF or the World Bank. So Serbia was offering something it didn't own. So what was Serbia offering really? Simple answer; Serbia wasn't offering anything. It is the same as If I offered the Serbs, Serbian nationality.
Also someone here talked about how there were/are UN members but they are not independent. I have been saying here for a year now that UN membership does not make one a state. Individual recognitions from the countries in the world do. If vast majority and most powerful countries recognize you as independent then you are independent whether or not Jeremic likes it or not; and whether or not he mentions the UN or not. Its a process; it takes time and we are on the right way.
"The irony is that the write off was promised to K-Adminstration and Serbia was no part of it at all. Part of the write-off was paid by US government and now Serbia claims as if the write-off is paid to release Serbia from the debt. This leads me to the simple question. How does Serbia sees any positive development in Kosova? After all Serbia will never recognize Kosova and anything taking place in the "province" supposedly is taking place in Serbia. Shouldn't Serb government, by this deduction, encourage the positive trend taking place in Kosova? The same question goes to any poster who tries to trash anything positive going on in Pristina.
(miri, 27 August 2009 21:40)"
it all makes perfect sense. until such times as certain international institutions and states cease hindering and preventing Serbia from fulfilling its obligations to its citizens then those same states and institutions cannot hold Serbia to account. Get it? It's called mutuality of obligations.
'That's why they are called UNITED STATES of America. States stands for purpose there. In China you cannot have that, or Russia or in any other unitarian states as Serbia for e.g.
But in US the states cannot have separate monetary policy. Which again Serbia and Kosova do have. So now you have second fact.'
A third fact: actually, *it* is called the United States of America - "out of many, one" (E pluribus unum, as it says on our currency). People started to refer to the country in the singular after the Civil War: before it, Americans (like present-day Europeans), said "the United States are ..." - now only "the United States is ..." is proper. (When you grow up with it, it seems obvious and perfectly natural.)
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