Pentagon lists U.S. casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan

I do not believe a word from the US Gov. It's been lies since the beginning. I've seen videos of US soldiers victims if snipers, and I am sure that the Govt. does not include them in his statistics.

I would like to tell Lazar that the USA had no business in Iraq and once again they are the losers in this war, just as in Vietnam.

The human cost in those wars is really staggering.But the troops in Iraq and Afganistan are expendable.
How else a poor Latino aspiring immigrant would get his nationality certificate.
How else would a farm boy from Kentuky would get free healthcare,college education and retirement at 40.Only by joining the army.

The fraud war on Iraq is now in its 6th year and the BS unatenable war on Taliban in its 7th year.Both are costing the US taxpayer over $30 billion a month.With millions of people losing their jobs and their homes the country is ideologically very divided.

The bigoted racist and malignant narcisist conservative republican element who sacrifice poor soldiers with coercion will do everything in their power to destroy the Obama presidency and the man himself.

My gut feeling is that Obama will not succeed in disenganging in either of the
two wars.Time is running out and 2010 will be the make or break year for his presidency.
(Leonidas, 23 August 2009, 14:06)

It would be nice and long overdue if the pentagon listed the estimated number of Iraqi civilians killed by american forces so far in the occupation-----but all honest people know that number will not emerge for decades more. In the ideology of the west, the death of iraqis and palestinians are not equevilent to the deaths of americans.

But others have estimated that number------about two years ago it was roughly 200,000 iraqi civilians (unofficial).

The pentagon is sorry for any and all collateral dammage-case closed!

...and that is 4,337 dead soldiers too many. The sad thing is they thought they were fighting for their country when they weren't, they were fighting for black gold aka oil. It's time to end the war in Iraq!

Ian, they were not fighting for oil. That is a common mistake that many people jump too. They were fighting against a regime that was a nationalist regime. If Saddam was in power, that oil money would have been used to help build the country, and it would not have been re-invested into the West like the Saudis too. Think about it, does the US want more countries like Venezuela's Chavez or Brazil's Lula? Of course not. This harms the interests of US and European corporate capital. This is why Iraq was invaded.

@ Lazar
If Saddam was in power 700,000 people would still be alive; 2 million people wouldn't have left the country. Unemployment wouldn't be at 70%. The country would be richer and stable. There wouldn't be daily/ frequent suicide bombings. Western countries would be paying more money for their oil. You are aware that Iraq has 3rd or 4th biggest oil reserve in the world.

Yes Iraq may have "democracy", but at what cost and was it worth it? Do the Iraqi Arabs even want democracy as such? Probably not.

Yes I'm aware that Saddam was a former ally and thus an annoyance to the US, but eliminating him wasn't the main reason for the war, that was just an extra benefit and an excuse to invade Iraq along with this so called "War on Terror" which the Bush administration INVENTED!

Isn't it strange that the US would sacrifice nearly 5 000 soldiers to bring down a tyrant in Iraq, but not in Sudan or in Zimbabwe?

Anyway, not important.

On one hand, I believe that they shouldn't have wasted their lives fighting for someone else's freedom, but on the other, Saddam was a brutal tyrant who killed many hundreds of thousands of Kurds and Shia Iraqis, terrorized his own people and invaded a soveriegn state (Kuwait) for no reason whatsoever. He deserved to be toppled and executed, so maybe it wasn't all in vain.

On the other hand, there is no peace in Iraq and probably will never be until the US soldiers go home.

Therefore, pros of the operation: Saddam was eliminated from power.

Cons: they have not brought stability to Iraq.

Thus they should go home with a clear conscience.

...and that is 4,337 dead soldiers too many. The sad thing is they thought they were fighting for their country when they weren't, they were fighting for black gold aka oil. It's time to end the war in Iraq!

Ian, they were not fighting for oil. That is a common mistake that many people jump too. They were fighting against a regime that was a nationalist regime. If Saddam was in power, that oil money would have been used to help build the country, and it would not have been re-invested into the West like the Saudis too. Think about it, does the US want more countries like Venezuela's Chavez or Brazil's Lula? Of course not. This harms the interests of US and European corporate capital. This is why Iraq was invaded.

The human cost in those wars is really staggering.But the troops in Iraq and Afganistan are expendable.
How else a poor Latino aspiring immigrant would get his nationality certificate.
How else would a farm boy from Kentuky would get free healthcare,college education and retirement at 40.Only by joining the army.

The fraud war on Iraq is now in its 6th year and the BS unatenable war on Taliban in its 7th year.Both are costing the US taxpayer over $30 billion a month.With millions of people losing their jobs and their homes the country is ideologically very divided.

The bigoted racist and malignant narcisist conservative republican element who sacrifice poor soldiers with coercion will do everything in their power to destroy the Obama presidency and the man himself.

My gut feeling is that Obama will not succeed in disenganging in either of the
two wars.Time is running out and 2010 will be the make or break year for his presidency.
(Leonidas, 23 August 2009, 14:06)

@ Lazar
If Saddam was in power 700,000 people would still be alive; 2 million people wouldn't have left the country. Unemployment wouldn't be at 70%. The country would be richer and stable. There wouldn't be daily/ frequent suicide bombings. Western countries would be paying more money for their oil. You are aware that Iraq has 3rd or 4th biggest oil reserve in the world.

Yes Iraq may have "democracy", but at what cost and was it worth it? Do the Iraqi Arabs even want democracy as such? Probably not.

Yes I'm aware that Saddam was a former ally and thus an annoyance to the US, but eliminating him wasn't the main reason for the war, that was just an extra benefit and an excuse to invade Iraq along with this so called "War on Terror" which the Bush administration INVENTED!

It would be nice and long overdue if the pentagon listed the estimated number of Iraqi civilians killed by american forces so far in the occupation-----but all honest people know that number will not emerge for decades more. In the ideology of the west, the death of iraqis and palestinians are not equevilent to the deaths of americans.

But others have estimated that number------about two years ago it was roughly 200,000 iraqi civilians (unofficial).

The pentagon is sorry for any and all collateral dammage-case closed!

I do not believe a word from the US Gov. It's been lies since the beginning. I've seen videos of US soldiers victims if snipers, and I am sure that the Govt. does not include them in his statistics.

I would like to tell Lazar that the USA had no business in Iraq and once again they are the losers in this war, just as in Vietnam.

Isn't it strange that the US would sacrifice nearly 5 000 soldiers to bring down a tyrant in Iraq, but not in Sudan or in Zimbabwe?

Anyway, not important.

On one hand, I believe that they shouldn't have wasted their lives fighting for someone else's freedom, but on the other, Saddam was a brutal tyrant who killed many hundreds of thousands of Kurds and Shia Iraqis, terrorized his own people and invaded a soveriegn state (Kuwait) for no reason whatsoever. He deserved to be toppled and executed, so maybe it wasn't all in vain.

On the other hand, there is no peace in Iraq and probably will never be until the US soldiers go home.

Therefore, pros of the operation: Saddam was eliminated from power.

Cons: they have not brought stability to Iraq.

Thus they should go home with a clear conscience.