"Little chance of Bosnia joining EU by 2014"

Mircea, I belive that Serbia will be an EU member but personally I doubt that it will do any big difference.

White schengen list is what 90% of Serbia wants now, being ruled from Brussels is not what is going to help Serbia. The present day EU funds for underdeveloped (don't missunderstand me please) countries are going to dry out. No way western richer EU countries are going on the long term to invest much money in the eastern Europe without getting something back.

EU accepting Romania and Bulgaria as members was mainly for strategic reason, to prevent Russia from gaining economical influence in the Balkans.

So to your question, yes I belive that SErbia would be fine without EU, we could have some kind of trade agreement with EU such as Norway and Switzerland have.

If Poland and Hungary had not joined the EU in 2004 they would have been in a much worse economic situation today.
(Mircea, 22 August 2009 18:28)

Should I laugh or should I Cry reading such comments?
Let the example of Poland and Hungary be a good example for croats and serbs that it is much better to avoid this.It is mathematically proved that in an organization consisting of more than 12 members intersts cannot be cooordinated and such organizations become very dictatorial.And as I know both serbs and croats they are strong personalitis who do not like to be commanded.

Both Bosnia and EU are forced artificial creatures which are about to fall apart within 10 years.

The Muslims must first bring their generals and others to justice for the atrocities they committed and then it might be considered

http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=7504

Maybe they Bosnia will break and the Muslim bit won't get in because of their move to extremism?

"[Soldo] Who are Al-Qa'idah followers in Bosnia-Hercegovina and what is their motive?

[Galijasevic] Throughout the world, Bosnia-Hercegovina included, there are Al-Qa'idah cells. In Bosnia-Hercegovina you have indigenous local population, mostly in backward rural areas, a part of which - perhaps around 10 per cent - has embraced Wahhabi principles, that is Islamic activism. Their leaders are in Sarajevo, in King Fahd's Mosque, in the government, in the B-H Presidency, and so on."

. europe has never awoken to the many tiny little mistakes it has made over the last century, the millions upon millions of its genocide victims, while it continues to snorltle away. its all a bit disgusting.


(roberto, 22 August 2009 19:14)

Well Europe has made many mistakes not only during last century but earlier as well the biggest being not letting the surpressed balkan christian nations totally get rid of islamoimperialists and everything what is connected to them.The other big mistake is being made currenly when Europe is not resistent enough against destructive and radical ultraliberal ideas and policies.

Bosnia as a country is doomed the way old Yugoslavia was.

However it really doesn't matter since by 2014 both Croatia and Serbia will probably be EU members and have issued passports to their fellow citizens in Bosnia and Republika Srpska so no need really for Bosnian eu membership.

Mircea,

For any country where majority are harworking people and not beggars there is an alternative to EUSSR or Eurokolhoz .

BTW:Since my countries accesion to EU the nuber of suicides among agricaltural workers is four times higher.Of course this is not published in Brussels but agood indication what this monster did to agriculture.

Srboslav,

You should not compare Serbia with Norway and Switzerland.

Norway and Switzerland are rich countries. Serbia needs the EU in order to develop from an economic point of view.

Keep in mind that Iceland is considering joining the EU because of the economic benefits. After Iceland joins the EU, Norway might also consider becoming an EU member.

Romania and Bulgaria deserve to be EU members since they undertook major reforms during the accession process which started in 2000 and ended in 2007.

szemi,

If Poland and Hungary had not joined the EU in 2004 they would have been in a much worse economic situation today.

Srboslav,

Yes, Croatia will join the EU by 2014. However, I am not sure that Serbia will be able to join the EU by 2014.

szemi,

Is there an alternative to the EU for your country?

Funny how this article is about Bosnia joining the eu and no one is talking about that, wonder why.

Inzko, the OHR, has ended up as a giant cp-out, like the rest of those nice people (i don't incl our frnd raffi G.) i said at the beginning that he needs to take the position seriously and enforce the basic accords of the nation, faulty as they are. he has failed, like the rest, and should just quit now. is the man still being paid? by my money?? better not be.

ok, i know he is far from entirely to blame. he tried, at the beginning, and was shot down by the ethically challenged eu (what ethics?) so bosnia must stand on it own feet. so must everyone who has undergone PTS, but most cannot without help, a lot of help. and in this case the guns are pointed from all directions. the eu needs a sanity pill, and a hell of a lot more.

i do appreciate the s-nationalists here, and i say that w/out irony. they consistently write, since the 80's (and long before but who remembers such things?): halfsies for us, halfsies for croatia (balkan brotherly love?) what's fair is fair. OUR ethnically cleansed RS for us, herzegovina, more or less for our frnds/enemies, let sarajevo and a few neighboring provinces fry.

hmm. 2014... 1914. yes, there are many good connections, but not what is pointed out here. europe has never awoken to the many tiny little mistakes it has made over the last century, the millions upon millions of its genocide victims, while it continues to snorltle away. its all a bit disgusting.

thank you, and stop censoring my posts!

roberto
frisco

2014? Of course BiH will not be in the EU by 2014. I think the only two countries which have a chance in joining the EU by 2014 are Iceland and Croatia. I think with Romania and Bulgaria, the EU has seen what happens when they rush EU membership. They need to take there time a little bit more and make sure that new members are actually ready for the EU.

Another point: Belgium will fall apart. EU state Belgium probably will fall apart the coming 20 years.

You think the EU can allow that and still force Croats, Muslims and Serbs to live together in one artificial state!

I don't think....

Srboslav,

You should not compare Serbia with Norway and Switzerland.

Norway and Switzerland are rich countries. Serbia needs the EU in order to develop from an economic point of view.

Keep in mind that Iceland is considering joining the EU because of the economic benefits. After Iceland joins the EU, Norway might also consider becoming an EU member.

Mircea,
I am not comparing Serbia with Switzerland and Norway, I know that they are rich countries. What I meant was that Serbia could have the similar relationship to EU that they have. Trade agreements etc..
I believe that the past to present situation were EU is pouring money over their poorer member states are going to stop soon. EU can't just afford it anymore.

And therefore I believe that even if the western balkan states would join EU there would be no easy money for them.

Some parts of EU membership are good, some are bad. I doub't that being ruled from Brussels are good for anyone.

And your wrong about Norway, they will never join the EU, they are perfectly fine with their present situation. No need for them, they would probably be the unions biggest net payer and they don't want to waste their oil money.

Iceland has just recently applied for memebership, they will probably get it, since they are a to small population to get any real influence there. It will however be interesting to see how EU will deal with Icelands whaling and fishing industry.
Iceland seems to have the same view on EU that Montenegro has, "just that we become members and then Brussels will make us all rich and throw gold at us"

To Srboslav
yes, there will be need for Bosnia to join the EU so that serbs fromBosnia can visit you in Serbia without having to apply for visa

Ron, Belgium may well fall apart. But because it is in the EU it will fall apart without anybody noticing. The new borders will be just some signs along the road. No new checkpoints, no new currencies. Twenty year ago when there was a governmental crisis in Belgium, it was resolved after there was a pressure from the public, because the economy was managed largely by the national government. Now Belgium could stay months and months without a government and let the EU make most decisions. Szemi, EU is not an artificial structure. No country was ever forced to adhere.

nik,

But then EU member Bosnia can also fall apart. And what about Kosovo and North Kosovo?

Turkish Cyprus? And Kurdistan if Turkey ever joins EU.

Kosovo has set a precedent. And I fully understand everyone is trying to use that.

Let's get wise: let's save international law: Kosovo is not a state!

Really sad situation. Whatever problems you have in the region will just be worse if you landlock millions of people because their "identity" and de facto open the borders to other citizens of the same country with the "right identity / passport". But the again, maybe we shouldnt be surprised at all.
Look around, how european goverments treat non-europeans, think about the legislation many countries have denying nationality to citinzens born there but without "right of blood" (jus sanguinis), even to second or third generations as if they were dogs with a pedigree.

Funny how this article is about Bosnia joining the eu and no one is talking about that, wonder why.

Inzko, the OHR, has ended up as a giant cp-out, like the rest of those nice people (i don't incl our frnd raffi G.) i said at the beginning that he needs to take the position seriously and enforce the basic accords of the nation, faulty as they are. he has failed, like the rest, and should just quit now. is the man still being paid? by my money?? better not be.

ok, i know he is far from entirely to blame. he tried, at the beginning, and was shot down by the ethically challenged eu (what ethics?) so bosnia must stand on it own feet. so must everyone who has undergone PTS, but most cannot without help, a lot of help. and in this case the guns are pointed from all directions. the eu needs a sanity pill, and a hell of a lot more.

i do appreciate the s-nationalists here, and i say that w/out irony. they consistently write, since the 80's (and long before but who remembers such things?): halfsies for us, halfsies for croatia (balkan brotherly love?) what's fair is fair. OUR ethnically cleansed RS for us, herzegovina, more or less for our frnds/enemies, let sarajevo and a few neighboring provinces fry.

hmm. 2014... 1914. yes, there are many good connections, but not what is pointed out here. europe has never awoken to the many tiny little mistakes it has made over the last century, the millions upon millions of its genocide victims, while it continues to snorltle away. its all a bit disgusting.

thank you, and stop censoring my posts!

roberto
frisco

Srboslav,

You should not compare Serbia with Norway and Switzerland.

Norway and Switzerland are rich countries. Serbia needs the EU in order to develop from an economic point of view.

Keep in mind that Iceland is considering joining the EU because of the economic benefits. After Iceland joins the EU, Norway might also consider becoming an EU member.

Romania and Bulgaria deserve to be EU members since they undertook major reforms during the accession process which started in 2000 and ended in 2007.

szemi,

If Poland and Hungary had not joined the EU in 2004 they would have been in a much worse economic situation today.

Srboslav,

Yes, Croatia will join the EU by 2014. However, I am not sure that Serbia will be able to join the EU by 2014.

szemi,

Is there an alternative to the EU for your country?

Bosnia as a country is doomed the way old Yugoslavia was.

However it really doesn't matter since by 2014 both Croatia and Serbia will probably be EU members and have issued passports to their fellow citizens in Bosnia and Republika Srpska so no need really for Bosnian eu membership.

The Muslims must first bring their generals and others to justice for the atrocities they committed and then it might be considered

http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=7504

Maybe they Bosnia will break and the Muslim bit won't get in because of their move to extremism?

"[Soldo] Who are Al-Qa'idah followers in Bosnia-Hercegovina and what is their motive?

[Galijasevic] Throughout the world, Bosnia-Hercegovina included, there are Al-Qa'idah cells. In Bosnia-Hercegovina you have indigenous local population, mostly in backward rural areas, a part of which - perhaps around 10 per cent - has embraced Wahhabi principles, that is Islamic activism. Their leaders are in Sarajevo, in King Fahd's Mosque, in the government, in the B-H Presidency, and so on."

Both Bosnia and EU are forced artificial creatures which are about to fall apart within 10 years.

2014? Of course BiH will not be in the EU by 2014. I think the only two countries which have a chance in joining the EU by 2014 are Iceland and Croatia. I think with Romania and Bulgaria, the EU has seen what happens when they rush EU membership. They need to take there time a little bit more and make sure that new members are actually ready for the EU.

. europe has never awoken to the many tiny little mistakes it has made over the last century, the millions upon millions of its genocide victims, while it continues to snorltle away. its all a bit disgusting.


(roberto, 22 August 2009 19:14)

Well Europe has made many mistakes not only during last century but earlier as well the biggest being not letting the surpressed balkan christian nations totally get rid of islamoimperialists and everything what is connected to them.The other big mistake is being made currenly when Europe is not resistent enough against destructive and radical ultraliberal ideas and policies.

Another point: Belgium will fall apart. EU state Belgium probably will fall apart the coming 20 years.

You think the EU can allow that and still force Croats, Muslims and Serbs to live together in one artificial state!

I don't think....

Mircea, I belive that Serbia will be an EU member but personally I doubt that it will do any big difference.

White schengen list is what 90% of Serbia wants now, being ruled from Brussels is not what is going to help Serbia. The present day EU funds for underdeveloped (don't missunderstand me please) countries are going to dry out. No way western richer EU countries are going on the long term to invest much money in the eastern Europe without getting something back.

EU accepting Romania and Bulgaria as members was mainly for strategic reason, to prevent Russia from gaining economical influence in the Balkans.

So to your question, yes I belive that SErbia would be fine without EU, we could have some kind of trade agreement with EU such as Norway and Switzerland have.

Mircea,

For any country where majority are harworking people and not beggars there is an alternative to EUSSR or Eurokolhoz .

BTW:Since my countries accesion to EU the nuber of suicides among agricaltural workers is four times higher.Of course this is not published in Brussels but agood indication what this monster did to agriculture.

If Poland and Hungary had not joined the EU in 2004 they would have been in a much worse economic situation today.
(Mircea, 22 August 2009 18:28)

Should I laugh or should I Cry reading such comments?
Let the example of Poland and Hungary be a good example for croats and serbs that it is much better to avoid this.It is mathematically proved that in an organization consisting of more than 12 members intersts cannot be cooordinated and such organizations become very dictatorial.And as I know both serbs and croats they are strong personalitis who do not like to be commanded.

To Srboslav
yes, there will be need for Bosnia to join the EU so that serbs fromBosnia can visit you in Serbia without having to apply for visa

Srboslav,

You should not compare Serbia with Norway and Switzerland.

Norway and Switzerland are rich countries. Serbia needs the EU in order to develop from an economic point of view.

Keep in mind that Iceland is considering joining the EU because of the economic benefits. After Iceland joins the EU, Norway might also consider becoming an EU member.

Mircea,
I am not comparing Serbia with Switzerland and Norway, I know that they are rich countries. What I meant was that Serbia could have the similar relationship to EU that they have. Trade agreements etc..
I believe that the past to present situation were EU is pouring money over their poorer member states are going to stop soon. EU can't just afford it anymore.

And therefore I believe that even if the western balkan states would join EU there would be no easy money for them.

Some parts of EU membership are good, some are bad. I doub't that being ruled from Brussels are good for anyone.

And your wrong about Norway, they will never join the EU, they are perfectly fine with their present situation. No need for them, they would probably be the unions biggest net payer and they don't want to waste their oil money.

Iceland has just recently applied for memebership, they will probably get it, since they are a to small population to get any real influence there. It will however be interesting to see how EU will deal with Icelands whaling and fishing industry.
Iceland seems to have the same view on EU that Montenegro has, "just that we become members and then Brussels will make us all rich and throw gold at us"

Ron, Belgium may well fall apart. But because it is in the EU it will fall apart without anybody noticing. The new borders will be just some signs along the road. No new checkpoints, no new currencies. Twenty year ago when there was a governmental crisis in Belgium, it was resolved after there was a pressure from the public, because the economy was managed largely by the national government. Now Belgium could stay months and months without a government and let the EU make most decisions. Szemi, EU is not an artificial structure. No country was ever forced to adhere.

nik,

But then EU member Bosnia can also fall apart. And what about Kosovo and North Kosovo?

Turkish Cyprus? And Kurdistan if Turkey ever joins EU.

Kosovo has set a precedent. And I fully understand everyone is trying to use that.

Let's get wise: let's save international law: Kosovo is not a state!

Really sad situation. Whatever problems you have in the region will just be worse if you landlock millions of people because their "identity" and de facto open the borders to other citizens of the same country with the "right identity / passport". But the again, maybe we shouldnt be surprised at all.
Look around, how european goverments treat non-europeans, think about the legislation many countries have denying nationality to citinzens born there but without "right of blood" (jus sanguinis), even to second or third generations as if they were dogs with a pedigree.