Kermabon "explains" EULEX-MUP protocol

keep pretending to be a state. The ICJ ruling in Serbia's favour will be the final nail in the coffin for Kosovo. The Eu and US bvioulsy can't say that it will be, but they know that when the ICJ rules in Serbia's favour then the game is up. The ICJ will simply reaffirm what resolution 1244 states - that Kosovo is a part of Serbia. You can have your celebrations now that Kosovo is independent, but that is just a temporary illusion. if you still won't be a part of Serbia then it'll be interesting to see how the "State of Kosovo" will survive without any investment.

EULEX and Washington want to bypass Pristina because they are not trusted. Corruption is still very high and Pristina politicians are part of the criminal organizations running the heroin channels to Europe. In other words Albanians are not serious about preventing drugsmuglers and human traffickers from operating on the territory and therefore not cooperation can be signed with Albanians.

"the Kosovo Albanian government in Priština cannot allow itself to look weak and without authority in the eyes of the public. "

...and given that our dear k-albanian friends are boasting about their socalled kps , they even believe what their "government" is selling them! =)

kids, you will wake up soon enough...

Kosova is undergoing a 5 year supervision of her independence.

The supervision of 5 year was asked from the international community and accepted by Kosova as a further guarantee for the Serbian minority in Kosova.
A privilege that was not given to, say Albanians in Macedonia or Montenegro.

These agreements are just in line with the supervised independence to which Kosova agreed.

Of course next November will be the elections in Kosova which will be won from the party that will persuade Kosovars that they will be the best guardians of the independence and economic prosperity of Kosova. Thaci needs to play this game, as hard and wise as he can, but Thaci and no one else in Kosova will ever jeopardise the relations with EU. So a bit of political show from Prishtina nothing more ;)

“Organized crime, smuggling and trafficking in human beings, drugs and weapons are all serious crimes that can only be resolved through regional cooperation. In order to bring criminals to justice evidence needs to be shared and exchanged through the region and mechanisms need to be established to facilitate this,”

No wonder Thaci is worried, this is going to hit him where it hurts, right in the pocket. How long now before EULUX is regarded as a foreign occupying force and Pristina demands its withdrawal?

Ha Ron

around 80%-90% of the money you are talking about is coming back to your country via your contryman who are paid around 10000€ per month.
As for 1244, yes, it is the resolution that allowed KosovA to be where it is. By the way, 1244 is still there for some :-)
(Olf, 19 August 2009 15:06

Olf,

You just confirmed you are a local. Nobody is making anywhere close to 10,000 euro a month! Heck, I would be eternally grateful for 10,000 a month. If you were one of us you would know that.

But... if you know where I can make that much money here, legally that is, would you send me a vacancy announcement? Thanks.

Organized crime, smuggling and trafficking in human beings, drugs and weapons are all serious crimes that can only be resolved through regional cooperation. In order to bring criminals to justice evidence needs to be shared and exchanged through the region and mechanisms need to be established to facilitate this,� Kermabon underscored in his statement.


Kermabon is finally admitting existence of criminal activities in Kosovo. It’s a huge step in right direction. Next step is admitting that Kosovo temporary administration is corrupt and is main culprit. It’s time to cleanup our southern province of KLA infested criminals. It’s time for EULEX to do their job.

Ben,

Can you PLEASE (!) learn to spell Kosovo correctly!

If you keep making spelling mistakes it is very hard to take you serious. Sorry.

Five year period? There is no Kosovo independence. Please check 1244!

As an EU citizen I am getting sick of this nonsense! Stop wasting our money in this tiny province!

Ha Ron

around 80%-90% of the money you are talking about is coming back to your country via your contryman who are paid around 10000€ per month.
As for 1244, yes, it is the resolution that allowed KosovA to be where it is. By the way, 1244 is still there for some :-)

"EULEX chief Yves de Kermabon has requested a meeting with Kosovo Albanian President Sejdiu and PM Hashim Thaci for Thursday."

-- Sounds like the principal is calling in two roudy kids into his office.

"Kermabon has released a statement in which he says [...] 'EULEX has not and cannot sign any kind of protocol on behalf of Kosovo'"

-- So then explain how this was signed. If Kosovo is supposed to be another country, shouldn't the Albanians have a say in controlling their borders? Even the ones they only control in theory? Or does EULEX regard itself as above Kosovo's alleged sovereignty? By bypassing Pristina, EULEX has regarded the K-Albanian government as either irrelevant or incompetent.

"Priština-based analyst Sadil Maloku told B92 that the police is under the authority of the European Union mission, but that the Kosovo Albanian government in Priština cannot allow itself to look weak and without authority in the eyes of the public."

-- So in other words Pristina has to look like it's been insulted. Hash and Sej had to know this was happening and had to have either agreed to it or be forced to accept it. Either way this seeming sign of frustration from Pristina is shaping up to look like it's solely for public consumption.

Some posters got all excited yesterday, only to find out that Serbian and KPS will talk, with EULEX as conduit. Have Tadic explain why he has to patrol the border with Kosova starting September.

Than I feel sorry for them.
Anyhow, even if their salaries were 50€(80%-90%= 30€) goes in the salaries.
(Olf, 19 August 2009 17:18)

Um... okay? You lost me buddy.
Let us agree to disagree then. I think we both would like to see criminals put in prison - politics aside. Hey, for anyone with kids out there, this is especially important I think.

Don't expect any EULEX-MUP protocol to be signed.
Niether EULEX nor Kosova government can afford to do that. EULEX is playing games with serbia.
(Nelli_Canada, 20 August 2009 01:27)

Tough luck, its alredy signed!
What do you say now?

Im glad the public are witnessing this joke organisation called EULEX and their true intentions on creating a mini-authority.

Jason
I dont see the need to say that I am International if I am not one.I do not question your status at all and frankly speaking I dont care.

I dont get paid that much too, but there is a significant number of internationals that are paid even more than that. The average earnings of one International are between 7k-15k. If you did not know this than you are probably not living in KS at all, what I first thouhgt.

"The average earnings of one International are between 7k-15k"

Again wrong. The vast majority of internationals here earn below even your low figure. Try and offer some proof to support this outrageous claim. BTW, the average of 7000 and 15000 is 11000...

Everybody is brainstorming some weird ideas here just becouse a paper is being signed. I think in this instance we need the vuk-o-meter. Obviously this is not a diplomatic and moral victory per se.

As for icj, speculations from either side will just look foolish when the verdict comes out. A hint is the Hague was specificly built for yugo, that the last bit belongs to who? But icj can't do much, they can't even send a letter to mr mladic and his sidekick.
And as for criminals and heroin, mike common open a book read some info. You are too kind with credit towards Albanians in this one. No schengen visa but they controle the world.poorest nation yet It would sound like you are a victim of their evil ways.
And that's the point, all criminals deserve what they get, by your wish or mine.
Corruption and crimes do happen in Kosovo, and will continue, just read the elections from Sunday.

Miri, I would love a raise! Your cousin is one of some that make a high salary, apparently. Good for her to receive that amount, definitely. The thousands of UNMIK police and EULEX police, various other NGOs, and government monitors are making much less, I can assure you. To be truthful, alot depends on the contributing country, and then there is your living allowance. Maybe judges are making 15000 monthly, I have no idea there, but the majority of internationals here are not, that's all I am saying. 7000 euro is in the ballpark of 9200 USD, and that is not an amount I have heard of commonly outside of Iraq or Afghanistan.

"The average earnings of one International are between 7k-15k"

Again wrong. The vast majority of internationals here earn below even your low figure. Try and offer some proof to support this outrageous claim. BTW, the average of 7000 and 15000 is 11000...
(Jason, 19 August 2009 16:29)

My cousin, an Albanian but also a Canadian Citizen, worked in Pristina for two years and she was making around 10K/month.
What proof are you looking for? The salaries are confidential and there is no posting anywhere, but honestly, if you make less than 7K/m, I don't know what you are doing there! You probably should re-negotiate your compensation.

“So in other words Pristina has to look like it's been insulted. Hash and Sej had to know this was happening and had to have either agreed to it or be forced to accept it. Either way this seeming sign of frustration from Pristina is shaping up to look like it's solely for public consumption.
(Mike, 19 August 2009 17:34)”

I agree its all for show Mike. I’m thinking part of the goal is also to make the international community constantly uncomfortable and awkward all the time to interfere with what they’re doing and make them want to leave sooner rather than later.

Ben, 5 years is awfully optimistic. Look at poor Bosnia, after nearly 15 years the end is nowhere in site, and things have been settled down there for years.

Belgrade is a funny place. one government signs it, the next throws it to rubbish bin where it belongs. the cycle of life :)

Again wrong. The vast majority of internationals here earn below even your low figure. Try and offer some proof to support this outrageous claim. BTW, the average of 7000 and 15000 is 11000...
Than I feel sorry for them.
Anyhow, even if their salaries were 50€(80%-90%= 30€) goes in the salaries.

Isn't it great that articles like this still can find people who love to express their prejudiced stance on Albanians. Like those, who clearly don't understand, that this agreement has one goal: to coordinate with Serbia the crime-findings that take place on the Balkans, where for criminals still no borders exist. That means: there are criminals everywhere on the Balkans, in Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania, BiH, Croatia as also in Kosovo. To limtit their criminal acts is only possible by collaboration, and this agreement is part of it. Kermabon and everyone in Europe know that criminal activity never stopped at the Kosova border, it was part of the whole former Yugoslavia and still is in its devided parts and in none of them stronger or less strong.

EULEX + kosovo 2009 = england + india 1909 or france + algeria 1909. serbia allowed colonization of its territory and albanians wlcomed it ...why are we so suprised !!!

EULEX + kosovo 2009 = england + india 1909 or france + algeria 1909. serbia allowed colonization of its territory and albanians wlcomed it ...why are we so suprised !!!
(christos, 19 August 2009 19:25)

Good post christos! Alas, misaddressed.

But if you replace in your comment EULEX with Serbia you will find your judgment to be same as the one of 90% of people in Kosova.

Don't expect any EULEX-MUP protocol to be signed.
Niether EULEX nor Kosova government can afford to do that. EULEX is playing games with serbia.

Stop being so childish:serbia has agrement with all evropean states,and if information were needed by Kermabon,he could have get them thrugh his country,without any problem!
so what is the purpose of this:just internal show:in serbia to say we are the one who decide,in kosovo to say we are the one!
But it contribute to create insecurity ,so that kermabon can stay another period in kosovo!
Who are the true vilains here?

Christos,
Kosovo and Epirus were colonized but not by Albanians. Albanians did colonize areas in proper Greece, as is evidenced by the presence of Arvanites throughout Greece. The overall result of the population movements have been at disfavor for the Albanians. There is no modern statistics that dispute the preponderance of the Albanian element in Kosovo. During the middle ages Serbian names were in the majority, but this this is not a sufficient indication that all individuals bearing Serbian names were actually Serb. Can one say that Albanians with 'muslim' names during the Ottoman occupation were turkish/arabs?

amer,
this is a well established tradition in France:unsupported laws are always passed during august in france ,en catamini,as french say.
So De kermabon is just doing the same in kosovo,but he missed one point:we are not ,as french population in holidays,on the contrary,in kosovo it is THE season when you should not make such troubles,because all the diaspora is here and comments this stupid move!and certainly not in favorable tone!
But De kermabon has not yet understand our laws and customs,so he acts as even a first year student would not,thinking that like in france,nobody will comment it because it's vacation time in France!

Coordinating police activities throughout the Balkans can hardly be called a bad idea, and EULEX probably has the authority to sign agreements in its own name - but after promising the government in Prishtina transparency about its dealings with Belgrade, this certainly seems like a major blunder. Allowing the Kosova government to learn of an agreement with Belgrade through the Serbian press, with whatever interpretation it chose to apply, sounds like a first-year diplomatic school blooper. But what can you expect, it's August, the month when nobody's paying attention - compared to WWI, WWII, Russia-Georgia, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, and terrorist strikes it could probably have been worse. But - what could he have been thinking?

keep pretending to be a state. The ICJ ruling in Serbia's favour will be the final nail in the coffin for Kosovo. The Eu and US bvioulsy can't say that it will be, but they know that when the ICJ rules in Serbia's favour then the game is up. The ICJ will simply reaffirm what resolution 1244 states - that Kosovo is a part of Serbia. You can have your celebrations now that Kosovo is independent, but that is just a temporary illusion. if you still won't be a part of Serbia then it'll be interesting to see how the "State of Kosovo" will survive without any investment.

EULEX and Washington want to bypass Pristina because they are not trusted. Corruption is still very high and Pristina politicians are part of the criminal organizations running the heroin channels to Europe. In other words Albanians are not serious about preventing drugsmuglers and human traffickers from operating on the territory and therefore not cooperation can be signed with Albanians.

Ben,

Can you PLEASE (!) learn to spell Kosovo correctly!

If you keep making spelling mistakes it is very hard to take you serious. Sorry.

Five year period? There is no Kosovo independence. Please check 1244!

As an EU citizen I am getting sick of this nonsense! Stop wasting our money in this tiny province!

Ha Ron

around 80%-90% of the money you are talking about is coming back to your country via your contryman who are paid around 10000€ per month.
As for 1244, yes, it is the resolution that allowed KosovA to be where it is. By the way, 1244 is still there for some :-)

Jason
I dont see the need to say that I am International if I am not one.I do not question your status at all and frankly speaking I dont care.

I dont get paid that much too, but there is a significant number of internationals that are paid even more than that. The average earnings of one International are between 7k-15k. If you did not know this than you are probably not living in KS at all, what I first thouhgt.

"the Kosovo Albanian government in Priština cannot allow itself to look weak and without authority in the eyes of the public. "

...and given that our dear k-albanian friends are boasting about their socalled kps , they even believe what their "government" is selling them! =)

kids, you will wake up soon enough...

Kosova is undergoing a 5 year supervision of her independence.

The supervision of 5 year was asked from the international community and accepted by Kosova as a further guarantee for the Serbian minority in Kosova.
A privilege that was not given to, say Albanians in Macedonia or Montenegro.

These agreements are just in line with the supervised independence to which Kosova agreed.

Of course next November will be the elections in Kosova which will be won from the party that will persuade Kosovars that they will be the best guardians of the independence and economic prosperity of Kosova. Thaci needs to play this game, as hard and wise as he can, but Thaci and no one else in Kosova will ever jeopardise the relations with EU. So a bit of political show from Prishtina nothing more ;)

“Organized crime, smuggling and trafficking in human beings, drugs and weapons are all serious crimes that can only be resolved through regional cooperation. In order to bring criminals to justice evidence needs to be shared and exchanged through the region and mechanisms need to be established to facilitate this,”

No wonder Thaci is worried, this is going to hit him where it hurts, right in the pocket. How long now before EULUX is regarded as a foreign occupying force and Pristina demands its withdrawal?

Im glad the public are witnessing this joke organisation called EULEX and their true intentions on creating a mini-authority.

Stop being so childish:serbia has agrement with all evropean states,and if information were needed by Kermabon,he could have get them thrugh his country,without any problem!
so what is the purpose of this:just internal show:in serbia to say we are the one who decide,in kosovo to say we are the one!
But it contribute to create insecurity ,so that kermabon can stay another period in kosovo!
Who are the true vilains here?

Some posters got all excited yesterday, only to find out that Serbian and KPS will talk, with EULEX as conduit. Have Tadic explain why he has to patrol the border with Kosova starting September.

Everybody is brainstorming some weird ideas here just becouse a paper is being signed. I think in this instance we need the vuk-o-meter. Obviously this is not a diplomatic and moral victory per se.

As for icj, speculations from either side will just look foolish when the verdict comes out. A hint is the Hague was specificly built for yugo, that the last bit belongs to who? But icj can't do much, they can't even send a letter to mr mladic and his sidekick.
And as for criminals and heroin, mike common open a book read some info. You are too kind with credit towards Albanians in this one. No schengen visa but they controle the world.poorest nation yet It would sound like you are a victim of their evil ways.
And that's the point, all criminals deserve what they get, by your wish or mine.
Corruption and crimes do happen in Kosovo, and will continue, just read the elections from Sunday.

Ha Ron

around 80%-90% of the money you are talking about is coming back to your country via your contryman who are paid around 10000€ per month.
As for 1244, yes, it is the resolution that allowed KosovA to be where it is. By the way, 1244 is still there for some :-)
(Olf, 19 August 2009 15:06

Olf,

You just confirmed you are a local. Nobody is making anywhere close to 10,000 euro a month! Heck, I would be eternally grateful for 10,000 a month. If you were one of us you would know that.

But... if you know where I can make that much money here, legally that is, would you send me a vacancy announcement? Thanks.

Again wrong. The vast majority of internationals here earn below even your low figure. Try and offer some proof to support this outrageous claim. BTW, the average of 7000 and 15000 is 11000...
Than I feel sorry for them.
Anyhow, even if their salaries were 50€(80%-90%= 30€) goes in the salaries.

"The average earnings of one International are between 7k-15k"

Again wrong. The vast majority of internationals here earn below even your low figure. Try and offer some proof to support this outrageous claim. BTW, the average of 7000 and 15000 is 11000...
(Jason, 19 August 2009 16:29)

My cousin, an Albanian but also a Canadian Citizen, worked in Pristina for two years and she was making around 10K/month.
What proof are you looking for? The salaries are confidential and there is no posting anywhere, but honestly, if you make less than 7K/m, I don't know what you are doing there! You probably should re-negotiate your compensation.

"The average earnings of one International are between 7k-15k"

Again wrong. The vast majority of internationals here earn below even your low figure. Try and offer some proof to support this outrageous claim. BTW, the average of 7000 and 15000 is 11000...

Isn't it great that articles like this still can find people who love to express their prejudiced stance on Albanians. Like those, who clearly don't understand, that this agreement has one goal: to coordinate with Serbia the crime-findings that take place on the Balkans, where for criminals still no borders exist. That means: there are criminals everywhere on the Balkans, in Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania, BiH, Croatia as also in Kosovo. To limtit their criminal acts is only possible by collaboration, and this agreement is part of it. Kermabon and everyone in Europe know that criminal activity never stopped at the Kosova border, it was part of the whole former Yugoslavia and still is in its devided parts and in none of them stronger or less strong.

Organized crime, smuggling and trafficking in human beings, drugs and weapons are all serious crimes that can only be resolved through regional cooperation. In order to bring criminals to justice evidence needs to be shared and exchanged through the region and mechanisms need to be established to facilitate this,� Kermabon underscored in his statement.


Kermabon is finally admitting existence of criminal activities in Kosovo. It’s a huge step in right direction. Next step is admitting that Kosovo temporary administration is corrupt and is main culprit. It’s time to cleanup our southern province of KLA infested criminals. It’s time for EULEX to do their job.

Miri, I would love a raise! Your cousin is one of some that make a high salary, apparently. Good for her to receive that amount, definitely. The thousands of UNMIK police and EULEX police, various other NGOs, and government monitors are making much less, I can assure you. To be truthful, alot depends on the contributing country, and then there is your living allowance. Maybe judges are making 15000 monthly, I have no idea there, but the majority of internationals here are not, that's all I am saying. 7000 euro is in the ballpark of 9200 USD, and that is not an amount I have heard of commonly outside of Iraq or Afghanistan.

EULEX + kosovo 2009 = england + india 1909 or france + algeria 1909. serbia allowed colonization of its territory and albanians wlcomed it ...why are we so suprised !!!

Don't expect any EULEX-MUP protocol to be signed.
Niether EULEX nor Kosova government can afford to do that. EULEX is playing games with serbia.

Than I feel sorry for them.
Anyhow, even if their salaries were 50€(80%-90%= 30€) goes in the salaries.
(Olf, 19 August 2009 17:18)

Um... okay? You lost me buddy.
Let us agree to disagree then. I think we both would like to see criminals put in prison - politics aside. Hey, for anyone with kids out there, this is especially important I think.

EULEX + kosovo 2009 = england + india 1909 or france + algeria 1909. serbia allowed colonization of its territory and albanians wlcomed it ...why are we so suprised !!!
(christos, 19 August 2009 19:25)

Good post christos! Alas, misaddressed.

But if you replace in your comment EULEX with Serbia you will find your judgment to be same as the one of 90% of people in Kosova.

Christos,
Kosovo and Epirus were colonized but not by Albanians. Albanians did colonize areas in proper Greece, as is evidenced by the presence of Arvanites throughout Greece. The overall result of the population movements have been at disfavor for the Albanians. There is no modern statistics that dispute the preponderance of the Albanian element in Kosovo. During the middle ages Serbian names were in the majority, but this this is not a sufficient indication that all individuals bearing Serbian names were actually Serb. Can one say that Albanians with 'muslim' names during the Ottoman occupation were turkish/arabs?

"EULEX chief Yves de Kermabon has requested a meeting with Kosovo Albanian President Sejdiu and PM Hashim Thaci for Thursday."

-- Sounds like the principal is calling in two roudy kids into his office.

"Kermabon has released a statement in which he says [...] 'EULEX has not and cannot sign any kind of protocol on behalf of Kosovo'"

-- So then explain how this was signed. If Kosovo is supposed to be another country, shouldn't the Albanians have a say in controlling their borders? Even the ones they only control in theory? Or does EULEX regard itself as above Kosovo's alleged sovereignty? By bypassing Pristina, EULEX has regarded the K-Albanian government as either irrelevant or incompetent.

"Priština-based analyst Sadil Maloku told B92 that the police is under the authority of the European Union mission, but that the Kosovo Albanian government in Priština cannot allow itself to look weak and without authority in the eyes of the public."

-- So in other words Pristina has to look like it's been insulted. Hash and Sej had to know this was happening and had to have either agreed to it or be forced to accept it. Either way this seeming sign of frustration from Pristina is shaping up to look like it's solely for public consumption.

Belgrade is a funny place. one government signs it, the next throws it to rubbish bin where it belongs. the cycle of life :)

“So in other words Pristina has to look like it's been insulted. Hash and Sej had to know this was happening and had to have either agreed to it or be forced to accept it. Either way this seeming sign of frustration from Pristina is shaping up to look like it's solely for public consumption.
(Mike, 19 August 2009 17:34)”

I agree its all for show Mike. I’m thinking part of the goal is also to make the international community constantly uncomfortable and awkward all the time to interfere with what they’re doing and make them want to leave sooner rather than later.

Ben, 5 years is awfully optimistic. Look at poor Bosnia, after nearly 15 years the end is nowhere in site, and things have been settled down there for years.

Don't expect any EULEX-MUP protocol to be signed.
Niether EULEX nor Kosova government can afford to do that. EULEX is playing games with serbia.
(Nelli_Canada, 20 August 2009 01:27)

Tough luck, its alredy signed!
What do you say now?

Coordinating police activities throughout the Balkans can hardly be called a bad idea, and EULEX probably has the authority to sign agreements in its own name - but after promising the government in Prishtina transparency about its dealings with Belgrade, this certainly seems like a major blunder. Allowing the Kosova government to learn of an agreement with Belgrade through the Serbian press, with whatever interpretation it chose to apply, sounds like a first-year diplomatic school blooper. But what can you expect, it's August, the month when nobody's paying attention - compared to WWI, WWII, Russia-Georgia, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, and terrorist strikes it could probably have been worse. But - what could he have been thinking?

amer,
this is a well established tradition in France:unsupported laws are always passed during august in france ,en catamini,as french say.
So De kermabon is just doing the same in kosovo,but he missed one point:we are not ,as french population in holidays,on the contrary,in kosovo it is THE season when you should not make such troubles,because all the diaspora is here and comments this stupid move!and certainly not in favorable tone!
But De kermabon has not yet understand our laws and customs,so he acts as even a first year student would not,thinking that like in france,nobody will comment it because it's vacation time in France!