I would prosecute the truck driver. A big part of his truck clearly stands on the left side of the white line. Absolutely illegal parking, at least in my country. Clear as day.
it's just that people dropping like flies on the roads and it mostly being their own fault it just drives me up the walls. in serbia we're losing a small town every couple of decades in tr. accidents
(smile, 19 August 2009 16:22)
I am not an expert at all but yes, this is what is called "genocide on the road". Unfortunately we have to deal with what we cannot change: only very few cars sold in Europe would be considered to be roadworthy in the States. If the change is not realistic for political reasons - people have to realize, their cars are unsafe at any speed and drive them accordingly.
Treat these cars as you would treat a motorcycle: it provides the owner with the speed, but near zero protection. Hence it should be driven with special care.
Good video to remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjtSilW8yM
What you see is the Australian version of older (before 1991) Opel Omega at merely 100 km/h (or 60 mph). The crash on the video is not survivable.
The victims of yesterday crash are best to remembered by demanding from governments much better standards and adopting practices which proven to be superior to what is in Europe now.
'What you see is how a badly engineered car looks like after a relatively minor accident.'
i think your comment on safety standards really has merit but still a truck is a truck. it will have minor damage compared to any car? i think there was some serious speeding involved although i'm just guessing, not an expert of any kind. it's just that people dropping like flies on the roads and it mostly being their own fault it just drives me up the walls. in serbia we're losing a small town every couple of decades in tr. accidents
It's broad daylight, the truck is bright yellow and it's parked off the road on the emergency lane.
The Croat media says its driver fatigue? How about he was totally asleep to hit that yellow truck!
And he must have been driving like a lunatic at 180 km/h because there is nothing left of his car. No one would survive in any car on earth driving that fast and hitting a truck head on. This is another example of just stupid driving.
Looking at the crash you have to wonder what speed this now deceased driver was driving at with his wife and two kids in the car!? the truck was not moving. look at the damage. this is insane reckless driving it looks like to me. it boggles the mind what people do.
(smile, 18 August 2009 14:50)
That was my first thinking, too. But the force of impact acts both ways. Look at the minor damage on the truck - the impact was average or even below-average.
What you see is how a badly engineered car looks like after a relatively minor accident. Ot maybe the car was made from two totaled cars and just fell apart on the impact.
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The family is most likely Albanian given that many “Serbian” and “Macedonian” citizens now live and work in Italy thanks to Yugoslavia’s and Serbia’s policies of making the lives of Albanians unbearable by choking them with poverty.
(Art, 18 August 2009 19:32)
Not just Albanians - everyone else was chocked with poverty in East Europe. That was the nature of the beast. The direct political message is to the governments of involved countries to improve the car safety standards ASAP because what we have now in East Europe can be described as genocide on the road. No need to re-invent the wheel. Some things do not work well in USA. Some things do work out extremely well. It is a triviality, but the motorization in Europe is decades behind the States. Hence, regarding the motorization for all these new countries USA is the place to look at and the learn.
Instead in some places they look at USA while trying to re-design the healthcare and they did look at a bizarre EU-(ex)SovietUnon mix for car market and safety. Surprise: neither did work out well. Why not just the opposite?
What do you mean by this comment mr. Ataman?
(Art, 18 August 2009 16:03)
That it was with a good probability an Albanian family and had they opportunity to purchase a US-standard car in either Kosovo, FYROM or Serbia Proper they would not land up like that.
Hence a good part of blame goes on governments in said places which do mimic failed European policies instead of doing what is proven to be good for millions of Americans.
What is sad, neither of these places are in the EU and they are not bound by regulations from Bruxelles. However, they copy-cat these. In particular, BiH and KiM are full with US vehicles because of US army presence, so is Germany. We would think, the governments in these places have a bit more brain and observe, what is good. No way. :-(
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There is a time and a place for such comments and this is neither of those, in my opinion.
(UK, 18 August 2009 16:41)
This is precisely the time to blame the governments which push the citizens to drive some match boxes. Saving lives is the top priority, not some idiotic race towards fuel economy.
Who died don't care less, was that car doing 5 liter/100 km or 13 liter/100 km.
Of course, equipping the car with all side and curtain airbags + reinforced body and bumpers costs weight and ultimately results in a larger engine + lesser fuel economy. But saves lives. This is why Americans are right on with this and thumbs down for EU bureaucrats (and who copy-cat them).
Very good point Ataman. The family is most likely Albanian given that many “Serbian” and “Macedonian” citizens now live and work in Italy thanks to Yugoslavia’s and Serbia’s policies of making the lives of Albanians unbearable by choking them with poverty.
Family of four die in a tragic accident and someone has to try annd implicate governments and countries. Show some respect and some common sense and leave politics out of this tragic story. There is a time and a place for such comments and this is neither of those, in my opinion.
Looking at the crash you have to wonder what speed this now deceased driver was driving at with his wife and two kids in the car!? the truck was not moving. look at the damage. this is insane reckless driving it looks like to me. it boggles the mind what people do.
The crash place looks horrible. Would be it not a SEAT but a car with five-star NHTSA crash test the outcome would be different.
Besides fatigue, the villains are the governments of EU and of country-lets of former YU, that is, Serbia, Kosovo and FYROM.
Kosovo is mentioned here because it is of common knowledge, what ethnic background most Serbian and Macedonian citizens in Italy have.
All share the responsibility - cars with such crash results are unsafe at any speed.
Who can afford - look at the N. American market to import cars privately. In most cases (Honda Jazz versus Honda Fit, Kia Carens versus Kia Rondo, etc.) you will get the same car with reinforced body and larger engine - but with the speed limit electronically set at ca. 200 - 220 kmh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Fit
"In keeping with Honda's safety initiative, the Fit was offered in North America with power windows, standard side airbags, side-curtain airbags, and ABS, in addition to the mandatory front airbags. Due to differing safety regulations, North American Fits have larger bumpers, and a longer front clip, than the rest of the world, resulting in a slight increase in overall length.
For the 2008 Model, US models come with a government mandated Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) to alert the driver of low pressure in any of the 4 stock wheels"
versus:
"All European models have ABS with disc brakes on the front wheels and drum brakes or disc brakes on the rear ones. Side airbags are standard on some high end models."
The curtain airbags, large bumpers and NHTSA-compliance is simply missing.
And so on, so on. Politics aside, regarding car safety USA regulations are light years ahead of Europe. There is no such thing as "good enough" in car safety. My condolences to the surviving members of the family in this tragedy.
An we keep our North American models up and running. NO! to Euro-standard sad jokes.
Family of four die in a tragic accident and someone has to try annd implicate governments and countries. Show some respect and some common sense and leave politics out of this tragic story. There is a time and a place for such comments and this is neither of those, in my opinion.
Very good point Ataman. The family is most likely Albanian given that many “Serbian” and “Macedonian” citizens now live and work in Italy thanks to Yugoslavia’s and Serbia’s policies of making the lives of Albanians unbearable by choking them with poverty.
The crash place looks horrible. Would be it not a SEAT but a car with five-star NHTSA crash test the outcome would be different.
Besides fatigue, the villains are the governments of EU and of country-lets of former YU, that is, Serbia, Kosovo and FYROM.
Kosovo is mentioned here because it is of common knowledge, what ethnic background most Serbian and Macedonian citizens in Italy have.
All share the responsibility - cars with such crash results are unsafe at any speed.
Who can afford - look at the N. American market to import cars privately. In most cases (Honda Jazz versus Honda Fit, Kia Carens versus Kia Rondo, etc.) you will get the same car with reinforced body and larger engine - but with the speed limit electronically set at ca. 200 - 220 kmh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Fit
"In keeping with Honda's safety initiative, the Fit was offered in North America with power windows, standard side airbags, side-curtain airbags, and ABS, in addition to the mandatory front airbags. Due to differing safety regulations, North American Fits have larger bumpers, and a longer front clip, than the rest of the world, resulting in a slight increase in overall length.
For the 2008 Model, US models come with a government mandated Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) to alert the driver of low pressure in any of the 4 stock wheels"
versus:
"All European models have ABS with disc brakes on the front wheels and drum brakes or disc brakes on the rear ones. Side airbags are standard on some high end models."
The curtain airbags, large bumpers and NHTSA-compliance is simply missing.
And so on, so on. Politics aside, regarding car safety USA regulations are light years ahead of Europe. There is no such thing as "good enough" in car safety. My condolences to the surviving members of the family in this tragedy.
An we keep our North American models up and running. NO! to Euro-standard sad jokes.
Looking at the crash you have to wonder what speed this now deceased driver was driving at with his wife and two kids in the car!? the truck was not moving. look at the damage. this is insane reckless driving it looks like to me. it boggles the mind what people do.
What do you mean by this comment mr. Ataman?
(Art, 18 August 2009 16:03)
That it was with a good probability an Albanian family and had they opportunity to purchase a US-standard car in either Kosovo, FYROM or Serbia Proper they would not land up like that.
Hence a good part of blame goes on governments in said places which do mimic failed European policies instead of doing what is proven to be good for millions of Americans.
What is sad, neither of these places are in the EU and they are not bound by regulations from Bruxelles. However, they copy-cat these. In particular, BiH and KiM are full with US vehicles because of US army presence, so is Germany. We would think, the governments in these places have a bit more brain and observe, what is good. No way. :-(
--------
There is a time and a place for such comments and this is neither of those, in my opinion.
(UK, 18 August 2009 16:41)
This is precisely the time to blame the governments which push the citizens to drive some match boxes. Saving lives is the top priority, not some idiotic race towards fuel economy.
Who died don't care less, was that car doing 5 liter/100 km or 13 liter/100 km.
Of course, equipping the car with all side and curtain airbags + reinforced body and bumpers costs weight and ultimately results in a larger engine + lesser fuel economy. But saves lives. This is why Americans are right on with this and thumbs down for EU bureaucrats (and who copy-cat them).
Looking at the crash you have to wonder what speed this now deceased driver was driving at with his wife and two kids in the car!? the truck was not moving. look at the damage. this is insane reckless driving it looks like to me. it boggles the mind what people do.
(smile, 18 August 2009 14:50)
That was my first thinking, too. But the force of impact acts both ways. Look at the minor damage on the truck - the impact was average or even below-average.
What you see is how a badly engineered car looks like after a relatively minor accident. Ot maybe the car was made from two totaled cars and just fell apart on the impact.
----------
The family is most likely Albanian given that many “Serbian” and “Macedonian” citizens now live and work in Italy thanks to Yugoslavia’s and Serbia’s policies of making the lives of Albanians unbearable by choking them with poverty.
(Art, 18 August 2009 19:32)
Not just Albanians - everyone else was chocked with poverty in East Europe. That was the nature of the beast. The direct political message is to the governments of involved countries to improve the car safety standards ASAP because what we have now in East Europe can be described as genocide on the road. No need to re-invent the wheel. Some things do not work well in USA. Some things do work out extremely well. It is a triviality, but the motorization in Europe is decades behind the States. Hence, regarding the motorization for all these new countries USA is the place to look at and the learn.
Instead in some places they look at USA while trying to re-design the healthcare and they did look at a bizarre EU-(ex)SovietUnon mix for car market and safety. Surprise: neither did work out well. Why not just the opposite?
It's broad daylight, the truck is bright yellow and it's parked off the road on the emergency lane.
The Croat media says its driver fatigue? How about he was totally asleep to hit that yellow truck!
And he must have been driving like a lunatic at 180 km/h because there is nothing left of his car. No one would survive in any car on earth driving that fast and hitting a truck head on. This is another example of just stupid driving.
'What you see is how a badly engineered car looks like after a relatively minor accident.'
i think your comment on safety standards really has merit but still a truck is a truck. it will have minor damage compared to any car? i think there was some serious speeding involved although i'm just guessing, not an expert of any kind. it's just that people dropping like flies on the roads and it mostly being their own fault it just drives me up the walls. in serbia we're losing a small town every couple of decades in tr. accidents
it's just that people dropping like flies on the roads and it mostly being their own fault it just drives me up the walls. in serbia we're losing a small town every couple of decades in tr. accidents
(smile, 19 August 2009 16:22)
I am not an expert at all but yes, this is what is called "genocide on the road". Unfortunately we have to deal with what we cannot change: only very few cars sold in Europe would be considered to be roadworthy in the States. If the change is not realistic for political reasons - people have to realize, their cars are unsafe at any speed and drive them accordingly.
Treat these cars as you would treat a motorcycle: it provides the owner with the speed, but near zero protection. Hence it should be driven with special care.
Good video to remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjtSilW8yM
What you see is the Australian version of older (before 1991) Opel Omega at merely 100 km/h (or 60 mph). The crash on the video is not survivable.
The victims of yesterday crash are best to remembered by demanding from governments much better standards and adopting practices which proven to be superior to what is in Europe now.
I would prosecute the truck driver. A big part of his truck clearly stands on the left side of the white line. Absolutely illegal parking, at least in my country. Clear as day.
The crash place looks horrible. Would be it not a SEAT but a car with five-star NHTSA crash test the outcome would be different.
Besides fatigue, the villains are the governments of EU and of country-lets of former YU, that is, Serbia, Kosovo and FYROM.
Kosovo is mentioned here because it is of common knowledge, what ethnic background most Serbian and Macedonian citizens in Italy have.
All share the responsibility - cars with such crash results are unsafe at any speed.
Who can afford - look at the N. American market to import cars privately. In most cases (Honda Jazz versus Honda Fit, Kia Carens versus Kia Rondo, etc.) you will get the same car with reinforced body and larger engine - but with the speed limit electronically set at ca. 200 - 220 kmh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Fit
"In keeping with Honda's safety initiative, the Fit was offered in North America with power windows, standard side airbags, side-curtain airbags, and ABS, in addition to the mandatory front airbags. Due to differing safety regulations, North American Fits have larger bumpers, and a longer front clip, than the rest of the world, resulting in a slight increase in overall length.
For the 2008 Model, US models come with a government mandated Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) to alert the driver of low pressure in any of the 4 stock wheels"
versus:
"All European models have ABS with disc brakes on the front wheels and drum brakes or disc brakes on the rear ones. Side airbags are standard on some high end models."
The curtain airbags, large bumpers and NHTSA-compliance is simply missing.
And so on, so on. Politics aside, regarding car safety USA regulations are light years ahead of Europe. There is no such thing as "good enough" in car safety. My condolences to the surviving members of the family in this tragedy.
An we keep our North American models up and running. NO! to Euro-standard sad jokes.
Very good point Ataman. The family is most likely Albanian given that many “Serbian” and “Macedonian” citizens now live and work in Italy thanks to Yugoslavia’s and Serbia’s policies of making the lives of Albanians unbearable by choking them with poverty.
What do you mean by this comment mr. Ataman?
(Art, 18 August 2009 16:03)
That it was with a good probability an Albanian family and had they opportunity to purchase a US-standard car in either Kosovo, FYROM or Serbia Proper they would not land up like that.
Hence a good part of blame goes on governments in said places which do mimic failed European policies instead of doing what is proven to be good for millions of Americans.
What is sad, neither of these places are in the EU and they are not bound by regulations from Bruxelles. However, they copy-cat these. In particular, BiH and KiM are full with US vehicles because of US army presence, so is Germany. We would think, the governments in these places have a bit more brain and observe, what is good. No way. :-(
--------
There is a time and a place for such comments and this is neither of those, in my opinion.
(UK, 18 August 2009 16:41)
This is precisely the time to blame the governments which push the citizens to drive some match boxes. Saving lives is the top priority, not some idiotic race towards fuel economy.
Who died don't care less, was that car doing 5 liter/100 km or 13 liter/100 km.
Of course, equipping the car with all side and curtain airbags + reinforced body and bumpers costs weight and ultimately results in a larger engine + lesser fuel economy. But saves lives. This is why Americans are right on with this and thumbs down for EU bureaucrats (and who copy-cat them).
Family of four die in a tragic accident and someone has to try annd implicate governments and countries. Show some respect and some common sense and leave politics out of this tragic story. There is a time and a place for such comments and this is neither of those, in my opinion.
Looking at the crash you have to wonder what speed this now deceased driver was driving at with his wife and two kids in the car!? the truck was not moving. look at the damage. this is insane reckless driving it looks like to me. it boggles the mind what people do.
Looking at the crash you have to wonder what speed this now deceased driver was driving at with his wife and two kids in the car!? the truck was not moving. look at the damage. this is insane reckless driving it looks like to me. it boggles the mind what people do.
(smile, 18 August 2009 14:50)
That was my first thinking, too. But the force of impact acts both ways. Look at the minor damage on the truck - the impact was average or even below-average.
What you see is how a badly engineered car looks like after a relatively minor accident. Ot maybe the car was made from two totaled cars and just fell apart on the impact.
----------
The family is most likely Albanian given that many “Serbian” and “Macedonian” citizens now live and work in Italy thanks to Yugoslavia’s and Serbia’s policies of making the lives of Albanians unbearable by choking them with poverty.
(Art, 18 August 2009 19:32)
Not just Albanians - everyone else was chocked with poverty in East Europe. That was the nature of the beast. The direct political message is to the governments of involved countries to improve the car safety standards ASAP because what we have now in East Europe can be described as genocide on the road. No need to re-invent the wheel. Some things do not work well in USA. Some things do work out extremely well. It is a triviality, but the motorization in Europe is decades behind the States. Hence, regarding the motorization for all these new countries USA is the place to look at and the learn.
Instead in some places they look at USA while trying to re-design the healthcare and they did look at a bizarre EU-(ex)SovietUnon mix for car market and safety. Surprise: neither did work out well. Why not just the opposite?
It's broad daylight, the truck is bright yellow and it's parked off the road on the emergency lane.
The Croat media says its driver fatigue? How about he was totally asleep to hit that yellow truck!
And he must have been driving like a lunatic at 180 km/h because there is nothing left of his car. No one would survive in any car on earth driving that fast and hitting a truck head on. This is another example of just stupid driving.
'What you see is how a badly engineered car looks like after a relatively minor accident.'
i think your comment on safety standards really has merit but still a truck is a truck. it will have minor damage compared to any car? i think there was some serious speeding involved although i'm just guessing, not an expert of any kind. it's just that people dropping like flies on the roads and it mostly being their own fault it just drives me up the walls. in serbia we're losing a small town every couple of decades in tr. accidents
it's just that people dropping like flies on the roads and it mostly being their own fault it just drives me up the walls. in serbia we're losing a small town every couple of decades in tr. accidents
(smile, 19 August 2009 16:22)
I am not an expert at all but yes, this is what is called "genocide on the road". Unfortunately we have to deal with what we cannot change: only very few cars sold in Europe would be considered to be roadworthy in the States. If the change is not realistic for political reasons - people have to realize, their cars are unsafe at any speed and drive them accordingly.
Treat these cars as you would treat a motorcycle: it provides the owner with the speed, but near zero protection. Hence it should be driven with special care.
Good video to remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjtSilW8yM
What you see is the Australian version of older (before 1991) Opel Omega at merely 100 km/h (or 60 mph). The crash on the video is not survivable.
The victims of yesterday crash are best to remembered by demanding from governments much better standards and adopting practices which proven to be superior to what is in Europe now.
I would prosecute the truck driver. A big part of his truck clearly stands on the left side of the white line. Absolutely illegal parking, at least in my country. Clear as day.
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