The president and government of Kosovo oppose the announced signing of an agreement between the Serbian police (MUP) and EULEX, reports from Priština said.
jason,may i remind you that others too feel intouchable!Just remember hakkerup!h was n1 of unmik,but when needed,he was sacked...
The succes in kosovo needs albanian cooperation,and if you are the one who endanger that collaboration,you will not enjoy a long stay in kosova,be you international or albanian...
The only true question here is :is De Kermabon trying to weaken Thaci's position among albanian population with this unnecessery move?
If yes,troubles are at the horizont both for thaci and kermabon;but may be this is the true purpose of this agrement...
If not,he will have to work hard to gain the trust of the albanian politicians(because albanian population mistrust him,since the time he left kosovo...we all know why¨!)
Within the next 10-20 years the demographic and ethnic make-up of some so-called western elite nations are gonna change forever...it slowly has already. The western European nations didn't want to work in restaurants, fill gas at the stations, work menial jobs...so they imported cheap foreign labour...or so they thought. Even though France or the U.K will probably be number one loser due to this(and all the power to them); I wish people like Carl from Sweden the best when his country of 9 million has a minority problem and starts demanding some form of autonomy or more rights. Some people fail to realize with their open door immigration, poor screening and allowing too much of other laws (ie. U.K.) - certain minorities have used it as nothing more than a trojan horse.
In addition, one must not forget a higher birthrate
funded by a generous social welfare system in some countries ie. Canada), and one doens't even have to think about working. Why? Get free government cheque monthly (welfare), baby bonus, cheap affordable housing, free healthcare etc. Why work?
Anyways watch the destablization and deterioration of western Europe carefully, because it is there and slowly gaining ground daily.
Within years, maybe some people in the Balkans can look at them as "destablizing" and say...hey...we don't give a duck...right Carl?
1. If you did not spent so much time in this region, how the heck do you know if "Kosova është Serbi" or not? (in perfect Albanian). You are either lying about your background or you are simply biased (you have only 2 options there).
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
There is a third option tough: I like to learn languages and have absolutely no inner guard preventing me to TRY to talk. Even if I speak with accent and grammatically incorrect. Helps in the first phase to pretend to know a lot, hinders to learn academically correct language. It is usually an advantage except France. I won't mind to live in France, but it has very special challenges.
In this case I took a special care about "Kosova është Serbi" - earlier I used to write "Kosova është Serbia", but some Albanians corrected me and thanks to them.
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Come to Kosovo and check it for yourself.
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
I was few times, want to go more. No problem with that, but this Summer was screwed up by many things outside of my control: not having protocol analyzer did slow up my work by few month, my supervisor out of sudden decided, she needs not just the driver but the BIOS and I am expectied to make a new BIOS within two weeks which just not happened. Thus, I am locked up till not ready. Further as you may know or not - there will be a new OS (Snow Leopard) soon and usually the developers are not allowed to travel anywhere until the OS is not released: customers may complain about compatibility and one has to be not just near Internet but have all hardware and software tools at his disposal. No, I am not working for Apple (this time), but for a company which depends on Apple. At a times it is good, now this Summer was from personal point of view very lousy. But at least I have the job.
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2. Where the jealosy? You even agreed last time that Hungarians in Serbia, Slovakia and Romania are jealous towards Kosovars because they (the Kosovars) had the guts to challenge Serbia and ethnic Hungarians in those countries never had the guts. You actually said this!
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
You did say, not me. Where I did agreed: indeed, the views of Vojvodina-Hungarians can be more extreme than of Serbs or other Slavs. I have my own guess, why is that but I did not elaborate because it is somewhat offending to both (Hungarians and Albanians) and could be plain wrong.
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3. Vlora Çitaku is boring, believe me. That's why she's still single :)
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
Could be - but the boring Çitaku is much better than the "entertaining" Viktor Orbán - save the plain funny Gábor Vona. From your and my point of view probably not-so-funny.
Besides who is more beautiful from your point of view?
a) http://www.assembly-kosova.org/?cid=2,102,526
b) http://nimg.sulekha.com/Others/original700/viktor-orban-2009-5-23-13-21-58.jpg
FTI: we did live near SF for a while - but NOT for THAT long to change my taste permanently :-)
I am not an expert on that - here you may ask "Smile", "Miri" or "Nelli" but my uneducated guess is, who is on this picture
c) http://www.topnews.in/files/Boris-Tadic2.jpg looks much better than who is on b)
And speaking about funny Gábor Vona - this picture speaks a lot about his sheer intelligence and of his Magyar Gárda:
Kate, when somebody claims that we are talking about International Law then I clearly show that International Law is more than some lines on a map. That "drama" that Ron show us is not even close to that what I call critical. Remember, it was the Serbian state which oppressed Albanians in a very volatile way, making Kosovo the worst region in Europe regarding human rights. Human rights are the basic for the international law and not vice versa. When somebody complains about Kosovo's secession then he must complain even louder about the abuse of human rights under Serbian rule. Moreover, I simply compare with the current situation and the possibilities we have left and when we are frank then we all know that there is no return of Kosovo to Serbia, due to these crimes from the 90s.
Overall, it is therefore very important to emphasize that the Kosovo issue is more but some lines on the map, but this is what Serbs complain about. And when I compare this with REAL problems like Darfur or the genocide in Ruanda and Srebrenica then it shows how ridicilous this complaint really is, especially when reflecting that this developement results from failed Serbian policy of oppression, expelling and killing its own citizens.
I personally as a Kosovar Albanian have no problem whatsoever with EULEX signing with MUP as long as it benefits the security issues in the ground.
(spunky, 19 August 2009 03:11)
Spunky,
Good to hear because it does benefit everyone. Sad to say but there are no ethnic problems between Serbs and Albanians when it comes to organized crime. They only see green (money). N. Mitro is a prime example, so any cooperation between police agencies is welcome in my opinion. I would think that Serbian and Albanian parents alike do not want heroin or weapons available to their children, regardless of opinion on the political situation.
The good news is, we just learned that the agreement is going forward and will be signed shortly. It is signed by EULEX and MUP, and not on behalf of Kosovo, so it is not a political issue but rather a public safety one.
"You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)"
Well Mr. KosovO - USA, if you send Jason home for his views then you might just as well send 98% of the USA contingent home because most of us here agree with Jason! Prisitina is qucikly forgetting where they get their "power" if that is what you want to call it. Who on earth is Pristina to sit there and make threats to the EU? WE DECIDE!!! NOT PRISTINA as Yves just stated! And threats of violence from the Albanians (if they dont get their way)like there were against the UN in the past will not work with the EU... So give it a rest and do as you are told.
You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)
Kosova-USA
Guess again about sending Jason home. Heres a reality check for you. In the USA we still have freedom of speach and opinion unlike Kosovo you support.
Kosovo-USA to Jason: "You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again."
What is that personal attack about? Is it a threat? Jason is entitled to his point of view just as you are, probably more if he's actually there on the ground.
Incredible and sad that you think you can silence an opinion by threatening to 'unmask' someone on a discussion forum. And how ironic that if he does work for the great bringer of democracy you think he is not entitled to express his thoughts.
John: I agree with you about the terrible situation in Darfur (and other nations - where to begin?), but this is a thread about Kosovo on a Serbian news site.
The issue may not be important to you, but you shouldn't knock people for feeling differently. Why would you bother joining if you feel it is so irrelevant?
The situation in Kosovo is by far not a done deal, and there are still plenty of people suffering throughout the Balkans. You can't tell people that their cause is invalid because more people are suffering somewhere else.
All Europeans should be concerned about Kosovo because it represents the ability by the current 'international community' to change our borders for political ends and hand chunks of land to their favoured 'allies' of the moment. The damage and disrespect to all international laws and structures affects us all, in Europe and beyond.
How Pathetic! A Question for the Serb camp; Whatever happened to NO EULEX? before that NO UNMIK! and many other NOOOOO's before that! suddenly EULEX became your friend! It's obvious you guys realize and at the same time don't care about the lives of the Serb population in Kosovo. I guarantee you that if Clinton or Bush or whoever led the bombing of Serbia, were to say one negative word about Albanians the Serbs would proclaim him/her a hero. I personally as a Kosovar Albanian have no problem whatsoever with EULEX signing with MUP as long as it benefits the security issues in the ground.
"There is not much to uncover. My total time spent on the territory of (ex)YU is no more than a year, one the territory of Romania is two weeks and Slovakia even less.
Not sure, where the jealousy towards Kosovars ......
(Ataman, 18 August 2009 19:51)"
3 things Ataman:
1. If you did not spent so much time in this region, how the heck do you know if "Kosova është Serbi" or not? (in perfect Albanian). You are either lying about your background or you are simply biased (you have only 2 options there). Come to Kosovo and check it for yourself.
2. Where the jealosy? You even agreed last time that Hungarians in Serbia, Slovakia and Romania are jealous towards Kosovars because they (the Kosovars) had the guts to challenge Serbia and ethnic Hungarians in those countries never had the guts. You actually said this!
3. Vlora Çitaku is boring, believe me. That's why she's still single :)
You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)
department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)
And I bet he will be replaced by you, then we are safe!
The Serb team is getting way too excited over nothing. The Albanian team is also getting unnecessarily disappointed with EULEX too. This agreement does not change Kosova’s status, period. I just hope they arrest every criminal in the region regardless of ethnicity.
Right, so if the US wants a deal with MUP, then it happens. Pristina cannot send the US home.
(Jason, 18 August 2009 19:19)
You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
Thaci's political Advisor Bekim Colaku said that there were different ways in which the implementation of this protocol could be blocked "should there be any disrespect of Kosovo statehood".
But of course we know how red your hands are, no need to stress it again!
Can someone explain them that the Kosovo statehood only exists on their wish list, officially it is still not the case!
And to all K-A supporters, your ongoing spiting on everybody's face that doesn't agree with you including your protectors will only ternish further the poor image you have in EU.
Time to change and do something positive for your wounderland if you want to be accepted and respected.
Enlight us in here what can Kosovo Albanians negotiate with Serbia? I am preaty sure you didn't mean Kosova's independence.
(EA, 18 August 2009 19:54)
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Tell me, do you think the US will continue to waste funds on something that will never happen? Kosovo's independence is irreversibly blocked and that position is much easier to maintain for Serbia and Russia than it is to maintain the occupation or to waste further funds and resources on recognitions. The US is in no position to waste anymore funds and NATO is exiting as a result.
The simple fact is - it costs next to nothing to block independence so all paths lead to negotiations and that means more than autonomy less than independence with Albanian self-rule. The sooner our ethnic Albanian citizens come to that realisation the sooner the region will prosper.
Now tell me why I keep hearing about this Greater Albania dream and how ethnic Albanians want to snatch land from others but if they were all offered access to the West they would be the first to abandon their land?
Right, so if the US wants a deal with MUP, then it happens. Pristina cannot send the US home.
(Jason, 18 August 2009 19:19)
That's right, the US is the main force behind recognition, just like Russia is behind refusal on behalf of Belgrade. The main difference between the two is that US has the 95% support in the ground, while Russia has only 5%. So why would US go against the wishes of 95%? I mind you, the word "deal" in your statement is a little overloaded and whatever the "deal" you are talking about is, no one, even US, would not jeopardize the sovereignty of Kosova since this would mean to go back to square one and this is a little counter-logic. You might be happy that EULEX is throwing Belgrade a bone since apparently your view is a little skewed, but if I were you, I wouldn't pay too much attention to this "DEAL".
Ron, where is International law in Darfur??? I will tell you where. It is dead, burried by Russia and China, the allies of the Sudanese regime. If you really care of people who die because of atrocities, famine and decease, then go there and complain about this REAL problem. International Law (if something like this really exist) is there failing, completely, just like in Ruanda, Srebrenica and now in Darfur.
Thank you for uncovering your mask Ataman.
(hmmmm, 18 August 2009 14:15)
There is not much to uncover. My total time spent on the territory of (ex)YU is no more than a year, one the territory of Romania is two weeks and Slovakia even less.
Not sure, where the jealousy towards Kosovars - didn't I joke with Szemi on multiple occasions, that we won't mind if Croatian/Serbian border would be in the middle of Budapest? Where we did not agree: I don't mind if Vlora Citaku becomes Hungarian PM, but Szemi does. That's OK, Kosovo je Srbija even if Vlora Citaku kicks out these idiots from Hungarian parliament.
In any case I think, Hungarian cheese sucks and more Albanians/more Serbs/more Croats = more good cheese in Hungary. :-)
You my friend seem to be the naive one, The Kosovar Assembly invited EUELEX and ICO by accepting the Ahtisaari plan, smth which is against Resolution 1244, but what do you know except trying to sound smart and anti-Albanian. Secondly, the United States of America gave us Kosovo back, for the "International Community" Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and who knows, Slobodan still alive and in power.
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 18:29)
Right, so if the US wants a deal with MUP, then it happens. Pristina cannot send the US home.
I am amazed at the comments on this column. The international governments do not care about the people of Kosovo.The only reason that the US is interested in the region is to send it it's own companies, use the local resources for profit and leave when done.If the US, Uk etc really cared so much about the people in the world it would be helping the poor people of Darfur, where it is much needed. Of course there is no economic benefit to go there so lets ignore the problem and set up a pretend we care org.
A good film to see regarding the world monetary system and the role the US has on the world is , The ZeigiestFilm part 2 Free on the internet. Might be easier understood for the simple minds on this column who believe that the economic strong in the world care so much about the Albanians in Kosovo.Wake up ! You should allow the US to come and use the Kosovo resources, US will leave and you will have a so called independent sate, OH no more resources, no jobs, huge unemployment, large scale crime, poverty.You are already there the poorest region of Europe.No EU status and forget about traveling. Open your eyes Kosovo Albanians see the truth, plenty of history to research for answers.
"The only way forward is back to the negotiating tables without internationals propping up false expectations. I am sure that all sides would be happy to solve this peacefully and properly.
(kate, 18 August 2009 11:22)
Kate,
I like your "optimism" but too much blood and many Albanian lives have been sacrified to trade Kosova's independence from Serbia.
Enlight us in here what can Kosovo Albanians negotiate with Serbia? I am preaty sure you didn't mean Kosova's independence.
" Would they last long in power if they said "yes, this was a deal cut with EULEX and Belgrade because they still have powers that supercede ours"? They wouldn't last long "
Honesty is a virtue!
It is time the Albanians tell the Albanian Kosovars the truth: Kosovo is not an independent state. It is a province ruled by UN and EU!
And hey, learn to love each other.
But the West should really stop spending so much money on this!
Are you that naive? The international community "gave" you Kosovo and without them you would be nothing. Ever hear the term, "beggars can't be choosers?"? Well, Kosovo is in no position to tell the international community what to do.
(Ace, 18 August 2009 12:42)
You my friend seem to be the naive one, The Kosovar Assembly invited EUELEX and ICO by accepting the Ahtisaari plan, smth which is against Resolution 1244, but what do you know except trying to sound smart and anti-Albanian. Secondly, the United States of America gave us Kosovo back, for the "International Community" Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and who knows, Slobodan still alive and in power.
The US and the EU own Kosovo now, period. They are the bosses there, not any Mafioso Albanians with fancy titles and badges. This vocal protest is meant for the local citizenry - to show how powerful they are - get real. The US/EU tells the Albanians to jump, and they ask how high. The EU will work with the Serbian MUP, regardless what Pristina's make-believe government says. BTW Mrs/Mr Kosovo US, who has the military, and who can kick who out? Wake up.
i think it´s gonna be like the 6-point-plan, it´s gonna be signed and implemented, while the albanians are allowed to sign and ignore it ....
(raso, 18 August 2009 11:07)
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Our ethnic Albanian citizen have to accept it. They can't bite the hand that feeds them right? But since this is between Serbia and the EU they have nothing to ignore.
Now you have to ask yourself why can't the temporary institutions (KPS et al) solve the several thousand crimes committed against Serbians? Could it have something to do with these criminals being part of those temporary institutions or being shielded by them?
It makes sense to keep them excluded while investigating crimes as it would otherwise become easy to obstruct. Now since Bush has left the scene, I have also noticed an undercurrent changing the political policy on Kosovo. Obama did mention that it could be reversed but it will take time.
First things first, lets introduce the rule of law to this lawless province. It will be much better for everyone (well most people) concerned.
""The signing of the protocol on police cooperation between EULEX and Serbia's MUP, by ignoring relevant Kosovo institutions, will worsen the relations between the European mission and the Kosovo government," the cabinet of Premier Hashim Thaci said, according to the local media."
-- Statements like these are more for public consumption than anything else. Obviously some sort of deal was cut with Hash and the Gang by EULEX. The Albanians here are acting incredulously that their authority was ignored or overlooked, but I think it's safe to say that Pristina really doesn't care about what EULEX and the rest of Serbia do as long as they maintain some access to power. Some people here still think Hash actually cares about Kosovo more than his own power. But yes, Hash and the rest will release statements of anger and impotent threats to the international community that feeds them. They have to. Would they last long in power if they said "yes, this was a deal cut with EULEX and Belgrade because they still have powers that supercede ours"? They wouldn't last long.
It's very similar to when the 6 Point Plan was signed. I'm sure Hash knew about it and I'm sure he agreed to it, but he needs to play the nationalist card in order to divert the ire of his sheeple.
Much ado about nothing. Read the Ahtisaari plan, it states the supervised, transitional Independence and gives EULEX a role.
As said, eulex with 1300 people will be blocked in a heartbeat if they cross the line. NATO is leaving in 5 years completely so guess what Serbia? RECOGNITION.
to kate,i will tell you why eulex signing is stupid:if kosova is serbia,why do you have the need of signing this document?either you accept that kosovo is independent,either you say that serbia is a non fonctional state in kosovo!
Chose which pleases you,but in both case you are the loser!
As for me,Please Eulex,just do it!You will help us so much by doing so:albanians will understand that working with eulex is working with MUP!
"But since this is between Serbia and the EU they have nothing to ignore."
It's EULEX with Crna Gora, FYROM, Albania and Serbia. They want to solve certain crimes and it's better for Kosova anyway. How many criminals in Serbia (or anywhere) are protected by the ruling class?
"Now you have to ask yourself why can't the temporary institutions (KPS et al) solve the several thousand crimes committed against Serbians?"
I heard it was millions of crimes. But anyway, EULEX can't do jack without Kosova's police.
"I have also noticed an undercurrent changing the political policy on Kosovo. Obama did mention that it could be reversed but it will take time."
Very funny post. Was it Biden who said that for Obama ?
This will turn as big of a victory as the 6 points one for Serbia.
Actually we don't have to kick them out, since somebody in Brusels will relize that Internationals alomg with local staff are getting fat salaries for doing nothing.
Today, EULEX speaks with MUP and tomorrow they set up check points on the border between Kosovo and Serbia. That is reality and please spare us "coming back to negotiations". There is nothing to discuss. Kosovo will never return to the state who unsuccefully tried to exterminate the Albanian popuplation. There is no living together, only region swap (Presovo for Mitrovica) is the only theoretical discussion ground. But even that chance is very, very small.
Kosova-USA and PRN are our local court jesters, best have a good laugh and continue the conversation with other people.
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Regarding this article, I hardly think the EU feels threatened by the Kosovo authorities, and they will lose nothing if relations are damaged, since all that the "authorities" can do is "warn" the EU not to do things and to do things.
Better just be content with the fact that they are now under new management, not independent, since without the EU, they are like without eyes, ears and hands.
Don't Thaci and Sejdiu know that the EU does not recognize the "Republic of Kosovo" (since all 27 members must do so)?
It is still known as Kosovo under UNSC Resolution 1244/99 (funny thing is that there are two separate liason offices: Pristina and Mitrovica, just goes to show), and MUP is the only legal, recognized authority that the EU should cooperate with, while the Kosovar authorities should just save their breaths and shut up.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 11:53)
I'd like to see you try to kick them out.
(Peggy, 18 August 2009 12:54)
I would like to see you try on stopping us from kicking them out.
I don't know why you directed that comment at me, but I guess you wanted to use it as a springboard to your own derogatory comment about Kosovo.
Anyway, your comment implies that swedes oppose Kosovo because of racial/cultural/whatever traits of Kosovar Albanians. I would say the sad truth is that the average swede couldn't tell the difference between a Serb and an Albanian.
I don't think Swedes (or other westerners) gives a flying duck about whether Kosovo is independent or a part of Serbia. They do however (like I said) don't want their tax money to be wasted supporting nationalistic ambitions that cannot lead to future stability, which I believe what most of us care about (if we care at all). If that means independence for Kosovo or autonomy within Serbia isn't however our concern.
BTW, if you have a link to the polls you refer to it would be really nice of you to share it with us.
Please tell your government! To all Americans and Europeans here: please tell your government to stop this Kosovo project and preserve international law!
International law is so much more important then Kosovo!
And to all in Kosovo:
Start building an economy please. As part of Serbia and part of Europe!
Why are you referring to Albanians if Kosovo is supposed to be an multi-ethnic state?
Then refer to ALL Kosovars!
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"Thaci's political Advisor Bekim Colaku said that there were different ways in which the implementation of this protocol could be blocked "should there be any disrespect of Kosovo statehood". ""
Reality check! Kosovo is not a state. But a UN controlled Serbian province!
So yes, EULEX/UNMIK is in charge. NOT the so called Kosovo government!
I had to laugh at some of the comments from Pristina. As a UK taxpayer I would love to see the EULUX Mission, UNMIK and all the other quango organisations leave Kosovo. My tax £s can be better spent elsewhere. In this scenario I would also like to see how the institutions of self government would work without international advice, money and co-operation. One only has to look at the police and judiciary to understand that the whole place is a pack of cards waiting to collapse. Plus whatever criticism there may be of those Serbs still left at least they have systems that make the place governable.
Does the EU have more to benefit from Kosovo or Serbia? Well MikeC considering the fact that 22 of the 27 countries have recognized the independence of Kosovo ignoring the objections of Serbia should answer your question.
Yes we do have some Albanians in sweden and many of them changed their Albanian names for swedish ones, without even speaking swedish properly or at all.
But, according to recent polls however, native swedes do not share their entusiasm for a narco-organ-sex-trafficking state on Serbian soil since a lot of Albanian-related heroin sex and gang-violence have turned some small towns and urban areas into night mares.
""The signing of international agreements is in the sole jurisdiction of the institutions of the Republic of Kosovo, since Kosovo is an independent and sovereign country and no one is allowed to sign anything on its behalf," Sejdiu's spokesperson Dzavit Beciri said."
Well, if these institutions had some sense of responsibility they would seek such an agreement (among with many others) with Belgrade. But they are apparently more interested in their nationalistic adventures than participating in building a stable future for the Balkans. And while I wouldn't expect anything else from them by now, neither should kosovar leadership expect us (the west) to support them in that. Most of us are more or less fine with the fact that our tax money are used to finance peace and stability in the Balkans, but financing someone's nationalistic ambitions is a completely different story.
“But the Albanian language media are reporting this Tuesday that Kosovo Albanian leaders are "warning that the officials of the EU mission risk aggravating their relations with Kosovo institutions". “
What are you going to do? Kick them out? Are you really that arrogant? Don't you realize that Kosovo is totally dependent on the good will of the international community?
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 11:53)
Are you that naive? The international community "gave" you Kosovo and without them you would be nothing. Ever hear the term, "beggars can't be choosers?"? Well, Kosovo is in no position to tell the international community what to do.
If Eulex signs this document with Serbia that would be further indication of a policy shift. I have noticed recently many signs of USA/UK changed approaches towards Kosovo.
At present, the current arrangements are only hearting people living in Kosovo (no white schengen as an example). The best thing would be if Albanian and Serbian leaders sit down and find a long-lasting solution. I think that under current circumstances this is very possible; I think that under current circumstances this is very possible; it just takes courage and political will.
Well said novisad.
Nice one EULEX
KP and MUP will not cooperate while the crime that crosses borders of Serbia and Kosova cannot be tolerated and this is where EULEX should step in. In addition, this agreement would complete the conditions that Serbia needs for White Schengen.
This is very positive and I hope it works.
"This is done by internationals in order to trick Serbia in other ways."
Wait and see.
PRN
Ask yourself one question: Does the EU have more to benifit from Serbia or Kosovo? Kosovo has nothing to offer but problems.
You seem to think that the entire world is going to trick Serbia in order to appease Albanians in Kosovo.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 11:53)
since Kosovo is an independent and sovereign country and no one is allowed to sign anything on its behalf," Sejdiu's spokesperson Dzavit Beciri said.
I wonder when Thaci, Sejdiu and the rest will leave la la land and join the rest of us in the real world. Its going to be a bumpy landing when they finally arrive.
Hasis Tácsi bácsi has nothing to say here. Best he can do is to prepare his defense team how to negotiate a shorter sentence in Serbian court. His address should be a Serbian prison - for extended number of years.
hello Milan. Eu and un are as important to kosovo independence, as the IMF is to Serbia. The benefit is direct in Serbia vs indirectly in Kosovo.
Even if this goes through Serbia will just be another signatory with the rest of neighbours who knowlege the independence.
If one of the core tasks of EULEX is to fight organized crime in Kosovo and if there is reasonable suspicion that certain elements of the Kosovo rulling politicans are involved in organized crime, one cannot see how and which agreement should be signed by Kosovo Authorities in this particular issue.
There is no avoiding the fact that under international law, Kosovo remains a province of Serbia, or that EULEX was deployed under the strict understanding that it was status neutral.
As part of the UN structure, EULEX cannot support Kosovo's claims to sovereignty, but does have to respect the sovereignty of Serbia. It could never be any different when 'independence' was pushed through because of the political agenda of various countries without following due process.
You can't paper over cracks and expect the result to support the genuine emergence of a new state.
"Thaci's political Advisor Bekim Colaku said that there were different ways in which the implementation of this protocol could be blocked "should there be any disrespect of Kosovo statehood"."
I would be interested to know the ways in which implementation of this agreement could be blocked. I also note that EULEX is keen to say such an agreement is also being drawn up with other countries, but however they phrase it, the agreement with Serbia is obviously far more significant.
The only way forward is back to the negotiating tables without internationals propping up false expectations. I am sure that all sides would be happy to solve this peacefully and properly.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
"The signing of the protocol on police cooperation between EULEX and Serbia's MUP, by ignoring relevant Kosovo institutions, will worsen the relations between the European mission and the Kosovo government," the cabinet of Premier Hashim Thaci said
Oh... Mr Thaci - You still thinking that Kosovo is not EU/UN protectorate but fully "independent" country??
What a naive thinking... Without EU - "independent" Kosovo can't exist and EU/UN and their authorities are pivotal in Kosovo.
"The signing of the protocol on police cooperation between EULEX and Serbia's MUP, by ignoring relevant Kosovo institutions, will worsen the relations between the European mission and the Kosovo government," the cabinet of Premier Hashim Thaci said
Oh... Mr Thaci - You still thinking that Kosovo is not EU/UN protectorate but fully "independent" country??
What a naive thinking... Without EU - "independent" Kosovo can't exist and EU/UN and their authorities are pivotal in Kosovo.
""The signing of international agreements is in the sole jurisdiction of the institutions of the Republic of Kosovo, since Kosovo is an independent and sovereign country and no one is allowed to sign anything on its behalf," Sejdiu's spokesperson Dzavit Beciri said."
Well, if these institutions had some sense of responsibility they would seek such an agreement (among with many others) with Belgrade. But they are apparently more interested in their nationalistic adventures than participating in building a stable future for the Balkans. And while I wouldn't expect anything else from them by now, neither should kosovar leadership expect us (the west) to support them in that. Most of us are more or less fine with the fact that our tax money are used to finance peace and stability in the Balkans, but financing someone's nationalistic ambitions is a completely different story.
“But the Albanian language media are reporting this Tuesday that Kosovo Albanian leaders are "warning that the officials of the EU mission risk aggravating their relations with Kosovo institutions". “
What are you going to do? Kick them out? Are you really that arrogant? Don't you realize that Kosovo is totally dependent on the good will of the international community?
There is no avoiding the fact that under international law, Kosovo remains a province of Serbia, or that EULEX was deployed under the strict understanding that it was status neutral.
As part of the UN structure, EULEX cannot support Kosovo's claims to sovereignty, but does have to respect the sovereignty of Serbia. It could never be any different when 'independence' was pushed through because of the political agenda of various countries without following due process.
You can't paper over cracks and expect the result to support the genuine emergence of a new state.
"Thaci's political Advisor Bekim Colaku said that there were different ways in which the implementation of this protocol could be blocked "should there be any disrespect of Kosovo statehood"."
I would be interested to know the ways in which implementation of this agreement could be blocked. I also note that EULEX is keen to say such an agreement is also being drawn up with other countries, but however they phrase it, the agreement with Serbia is obviously far more significant.
The only way forward is back to the negotiating tables without internationals propping up false expectations. I am sure that all sides would be happy to solve this peacefully and properly.
Yes we do have some Albanians in sweden and many of them changed their Albanian names for swedish ones, without even speaking swedish properly or at all.
But, according to recent polls however, native swedes do not share their entusiasm for a narco-organ-sex-trafficking state on Serbian soil since a lot of Albanian-related heroin sex and gang-violence have turned some small towns and urban areas into night mares.
Hasis Tácsi bácsi has nothing to say here. Best he can do is to prepare his defense team how to negotiate a shorter sentence in Serbian court. His address should be a Serbian prison - for extended number of years.
since Kosovo is an independent and sovereign country and no one is allowed to sign anything on its behalf," Sejdiu's spokesperson Dzavit Beciri said.
I wonder when Thaci, Sejdiu and the rest will leave la la land and join the rest of us in the real world. Its going to be a bumpy landing when they finally arrive.
If one of the core tasks of EULEX is to fight organized crime in Kosovo and if there is reasonable suspicion that certain elements of the Kosovo rulling politicans are involved in organized crime, one cannot see how and which agreement should be signed by Kosovo Authorities in this particular issue.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 11:53)
"This is done by internationals in order to trick Serbia in other ways."
Wait and see.
PRN
Ask yourself one question: Does the EU have more to benifit from Serbia or Kosovo? Kosovo has nothing to offer but problems.
You seem to think that the entire world is going to trick Serbia in order to appease Albanians in Kosovo.
I had to laugh at some of the comments from Pristina. As a UK taxpayer I would love to see the EULUX Mission, UNMIK and all the other quango organisations leave Kosovo. My tax £s can be better spent elsewhere. In this scenario I would also like to see how the institutions of self government would work without international advice, money and co-operation. One only has to look at the police and judiciary to understand that the whole place is a pack of cards waiting to collapse. Plus whatever criticism there may be of those Serbs still left at least they have systems that make the place governable.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 11:53)
Are you that naive? The international community "gave" you Kosovo and without them you would be nothing. Ever hear the term, "beggars can't be choosers?"? Well, Kosovo is in no position to tell the international community what to do.
Please tell your government! To all Americans and Europeans here: please tell your government to stop this Kosovo project and preserve international law!
International law is so much more important then Kosovo!
And to all in Kosovo:
Start building an economy please. As part of Serbia and part of Europe!
If Eulex signs this document with Serbia that would be further indication of a policy shift. I have noticed recently many signs of USA/UK changed approaches towards Kosovo.
At present, the current arrangements are only hearting people living in Kosovo (no white schengen as an example). The best thing would be if Albanian and Serbian leaders sit down and find a long-lasting solution. I think that under current circumstances this is very possible; I think that under current circumstances this is very possible; it just takes courage and political will.
Why are you referring to Albanians if Kosovo is supposed to be an multi-ethnic state?
Then refer to ALL Kosovars!
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"Thaci's political Advisor Bekim Colaku said that there were different ways in which the implementation of this protocol could be blocked "should there be any disrespect of Kosovo statehood". ""
Reality check! Kosovo is not a state. But a UN controlled Serbian province!
So yes, EULEX/UNMIK is in charge. NOT the so called Kosovo government!
I don't know why you directed that comment at me, but I guess you wanted to use it as a springboard to your own derogatory comment about Kosovo.
Anyway, your comment implies that swedes oppose Kosovo because of racial/cultural/whatever traits of Kosovar Albanians. I would say the sad truth is that the average swede couldn't tell the difference between a Serb and an Albanian.
I don't think Swedes (or other westerners) gives a flying duck about whether Kosovo is independent or a part of Serbia. They do however (like I said) don't want their tax money to be wasted supporting nationalistic ambitions that cannot lead to future stability, which I believe what most of us care about (if we care at all). If that means independence for Kosovo or autonomy within Serbia isn't however our concern.
BTW, if you have a link to the polls you refer to it would be really nice of you to share it with us.
Kosova-USA and PRN are our local court jesters, best have a good laugh and continue the conversation with other people.
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Regarding this article, I hardly think the EU feels threatened by the Kosovo authorities, and they will lose nothing if relations are damaged, since all that the "authorities" can do is "warn" the EU not to do things and to do things.
Better just be content with the fact that they are now under new management, not independent, since without the EU, they are like without eyes, ears and hands.
Don't Thaci and Sejdiu know that the EU does not recognize the "Republic of Kosovo" (since all 27 members must do so)?
It is still known as Kosovo under UNSC Resolution 1244/99 (funny thing is that there are two separate liason offices: Pristina and Mitrovica, just goes to show), and MUP is the only legal, recognized authority that the EU should cooperate with, while the Kosovar authorities should just save their breaths and shut up.
Kosova-USA
Guess again about sending Jason home. Heres a reality check for you. In the USA we still have freedom of speach and opinion unlike Kosovo you support.
Well said novisad.
Nice one EULEX
KP and MUP will not cooperate while the crime that crosses borders of Serbia and Kosova cannot be tolerated and this is where EULEX should step in. In addition, this agreement would complete the conditions that Serbia needs for White Schengen.
This is very positive and I hope it works.
The US and the EU own Kosovo now, period. They are the bosses there, not any Mafioso Albanians with fancy titles and badges. This vocal protest is meant for the local citizenry - to show how powerful they are - get real. The US/EU tells the Albanians to jump, and they ask how high. The EU will work with the Serbian MUP, regardless what Pristina's make-believe government says. BTW Mrs/Mr Kosovo US, who has the military, and who can kick who out? Wake up.
Thaci's political Advisor Bekim Colaku said that there were different ways in which the implementation of this protocol could be blocked "should there be any disrespect of Kosovo statehood".
But of course we know how red your hands are, no need to stress it again!
Can someone explain them that the Kosovo statehood only exists on their wish list, officially it is still not the case!
And to all K-A supporters, your ongoing spiting on everybody's face that doesn't agree with you including your protectors will only ternish further the poor image you have in EU.
Time to change and do something positive for your wounderland if you want to be accepted and respected.
"You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)"
Well Mr. KosovO - USA, if you send Jason home for his views then you might just as well send 98% of the USA contingent home because most of us here agree with Jason! Prisitina is qucikly forgetting where they get their "power" if that is what you want to call it. Who on earth is Pristina to sit there and make threats to the EU? WE DECIDE!!! NOT PRISTINA as Yves just stated! And threats of violence from the Albanians (if they dont get their way)like there were against the UN in the past will not work with the EU... So give it a rest and do as you are told.
I personally as a Kosovar Albanian have no problem whatsoever with EULEX signing with MUP as long as it benefits the security issues in the ground.
(spunky, 19 August 2009 03:11)
Spunky,
Good to hear because it does benefit everyone. Sad to say but there are no ethnic problems between Serbs and Albanians when it comes to organized crime. They only see green (money). N. Mitro is a prime example, so any cooperation between police agencies is welcome in my opinion. I would think that Serbian and Albanian parents alike do not want heroin or weapons available to their children, regardless of opinion on the political situation.
The good news is, we just learned that the agreement is going forward and will be signed shortly. It is signed by EULEX and MUP, and not on behalf of Kosovo, so it is not a political issue but rather a public safety one.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
You my friend seem to be the naive one, The Kosovar Assembly invited EUELEX and ICO by accepting the Ahtisaari plan, smth which is against Resolution 1244, but what do you know except trying to sound smart and anti-Albanian. Secondly, the United States of America gave us Kosovo back, for the "International Community" Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and who knows, Slobodan still alive and in power.
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 18:29)
Right, so if the US wants a deal with MUP, then it happens. Pristina cannot send the US home.
You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)
""The signing of the protocol on police cooperation between EULEX and Serbia's MUP, by ignoring relevant Kosovo institutions, will worsen the relations between the European mission and the Kosovo government," the cabinet of Premier Hashim Thaci said, according to the local media."
-- Statements like these are more for public consumption than anything else. Obviously some sort of deal was cut with Hash and the Gang by EULEX. The Albanians here are acting incredulously that their authority was ignored or overlooked, but I think it's safe to say that Pristina really doesn't care about what EULEX and the rest of Serbia do as long as they maintain some access to power. Some people here still think Hash actually cares about Kosovo more than his own power. But yes, Hash and the rest will release statements of anger and impotent threats to the international community that feeds them. They have to. Would they last long in power if they said "yes, this was a deal cut with EULEX and Belgrade because they still have powers that supercede ours"? They wouldn't last long.
It's very similar to when the 6 Point Plan was signed. I'm sure Hash knew about it and I'm sure he agreed to it, but he needs to play the nationalist card in order to divert the ire of his sheeple.
I am amazed at the comments on this column. The international governments do not care about the people of Kosovo.The only reason that the US is interested in the region is to send it it's own companies, use the local resources for profit and leave when done.If the US, Uk etc really cared so much about the people in the world it would be helping the poor people of Darfur, where it is much needed. Of course there is no economic benefit to go there so lets ignore the problem and set up a pretend we care org.
A good film to see regarding the world monetary system and the role the US has on the world is , The ZeigiestFilm part 2 Free on the internet. Might be easier understood for the simple minds on this column who believe that the economic strong in the world care so much about the Albanians in Kosovo.Wake up ! You should allow the US to come and use the Kosovo resources, US will leave and you will have a so called independent sate, OH no more resources, no jobs, huge unemployment, large scale crime, poverty.You are already there the poorest region of Europe.No EU status and forget about traveling. Open your eyes Kosovo Albanians see the truth, plenty of history to research for answers.
Enlight us in here what can Kosovo Albanians negotiate with Serbia? I am preaty sure you didn't mean Kosova's independence.
(EA, 18 August 2009 19:54)
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Tell me, do you think the US will continue to waste funds on something that will never happen? Kosovo's independence is irreversibly blocked and that position is much easier to maintain for Serbia and Russia than it is to maintain the occupation or to waste further funds and resources on recognitions. The US is in no position to waste anymore funds and NATO is exiting as a result.
The simple fact is - it costs next to nothing to block independence so all paths lead to negotiations and that means more than autonomy less than independence with Albanian self-rule. The sooner our ethnic Albanian citizens come to that realisation the sooner the region will prosper.
Now tell me why I keep hearing about this Greater Albania dream and how ethnic Albanians want to snatch land from others but if they were all offered access to the West they would be the first to abandon their land?
Today, EULEX speaks with MUP and tomorrow they set up check points on the border between Kosovo and Serbia. That is reality and please spare us "coming back to negotiations". There is nothing to discuss. Kosovo will never return to the state who unsuccefully tried to exterminate the Albanian popuplation. There is no living together, only region swap (Presovo for Mitrovica) is the only theoretical discussion ground. But even that chance is very, very small.
Much ado about nothing. Read the Ahtisaari plan, it states the supervised, transitional Independence and gives EULEX a role.
As said, eulex with 1300 people will be blocked in a heartbeat if they cross the line. NATO is leaving in 5 years completely so guess what Serbia? RECOGNITION.
The Serb team is getting way too excited over nothing. The Albanian team is also getting unnecessarily disappointed with EULEX too. This agreement does not change Kosova’s status, period. I just hope they arrest every criminal in the region regardless of ethnicity.
hello Milan. Eu and un are as important to kosovo independence, as the IMF is to Serbia. The benefit is direct in Serbia vs indirectly in Kosovo.
Even if this goes through Serbia will just be another signatory with the rest of neighbours who knowlege the independence.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 11:53)
I'd like to see you try to kick them out.
(Peggy, 18 August 2009 12:54)
I would like to see you try on stopping us from kicking them out.
Does the EU have more to benefit from Kosovo or Serbia? Well MikeC considering the fact that 22 of the 27 countries have recognized the independence of Kosovo ignoring the objections of Serbia should answer your question.
to kate,i will tell you why eulex signing is stupid:if kosova is serbia,why do you have the need of signing this document?either you accept that kosovo is independent,either you say that serbia is a non fonctional state in kosovo!
Chose which pleases you,but in both case you are the loser!
As for me,Please Eulex,just do it!You will help us so much by doing so:albanians will understand that working with eulex is working with MUP!
i think it´s gonna be like the 6-point-plan, it´s gonna be signed and implemented, while the albanians are allowed to sign and ignore it ....
(raso, 18 August 2009 11:07)
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Our ethnic Albanian citizen have to accept it. They can't bite the hand that feeds them right? But since this is between Serbia and the EU they have nothing to ignore.
Now you have to ask yourself why can't the temporary institutions (KPS et al) solve the several thousand crimes committed against Serbians? Could it have something to do with these criminals being part of those temporary institutions or being shielded by them?
It makes sense to keep them excluded while investigating crimes as it would otherwise become easy to obstruct. Now since Bush has left the scene, I have also noticed an undercurrent changing the political policy on Kosovo. Obama did mention that it could be reversed but it will take time.
First things first, lets introduce the rule of law to this lawless province. It will be much better for everyone (well most people) concerned.
" Would they last long in power if they said "yes, this was a deal cut with EULEX and Belgrade because they still have powers that supercede ours"? They wouldn't last long "
Honesty is a virtue!
It is time the Albanians tell the Albanian Kosovars the truth: Kosovo is not an independent state. It is a province ruled by UN and EU!
And hey, learn to love each other.
But the West should really stop spending so much money on this!
Thank you for uncovering your mask Ataman.
(hmmmm, 18 August 2009 14:15)
There is not much to uncover. My total time spent on the territory of (ex)YU is no more than a year, one the territory of Romania is two weeks and Slovakia even less.
Not sure, where the jealousy towards Kosovars - didn't I joke with Szemi on multiple occasions, that we won't mind if Croatian/Serbian border would be in the middle of Budapest? Where we did not agree: I don't mind if Vlora Citaku becomes Hungarian PM, but Szemi does. That's OK, Kosovo je Srbija even if Vlora Citaku kicks out these idiots from Hungarian parliament.
In any case I think, Hungarian cheese sucks and more Albanians/more Serbs/more Croats = more good cheese in Hungary. :-)
Kosovo-USA to Jason: "You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again."
What is that personal attack about? Is it a threat? Jason is entitled to his point of view just as you are, probably more if he's actually there on the ground.
Incredible and sad that you think you can silence an opinion by threatening to 'unmask' someone on a discussion forum. And how ironic that if he does work for the great bringer of democracy you think he is not entitled to express his thoughts.
John: I agree with you about the terrible situation in Darfur (and other nations - where to begin?), but this is a thread about Kosovo on a Serbian news site.
The issue may not be important to you, but you shouldn't knock people for feeling differently. Why would you bother joining if you feel it is so irrelevant?
The situation in Kosovo is by far not a done deal, and there are still plenty of people suffering throughout the Balkans. You can't tell people that their cause is invalid because more people are suffering somewhere else.
All Europeans should be concerned about Kosovo because it represents the ability by the current 'international community' to change our borders for political ends and hand chunks of land to their favoured 'allies' of the moment. The damage and disrespect to all international laws and structures affects us all, in Europe and beyond.
Kate, when somebody claims that we are talking about International Law then I clearly show that International Law is more than some lines on a map. That "drama" that Ron show us is not even close to that what I call critical. Remember, it was the Serbian state which oppressed Albanians in a very volatile way, making Kosovo the worst region in Europe regarding human rights. Human rights are the basic for the international law and not vice versa. When somebody complains about Kosovo's secession then he must complain even louder about the abuse of human rights under Serbian rule. Moreover, I simply compare with the current situation and the possibilities we have left and when we are frank then we all know that there is no return of Kosovo to Serbia, due to these crimes from the 90s.
Overall, it is therefore very important to emphasize that the Kosovo issue is more but some lines on the map, but this is what Serbs complain about. And when I compare this with REAL problems like Darfur or the genocide in Ruanda and Srebrenica then it shows how ridicilous this complaint really is, especially when reflecting that this developement results from failed Serbian policy of oppression, expelling and killing its own citizens.
department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)
And I bet he will be replaced by you, then we are safe!
Are you that naive? The international community "gave" you Kosovo and without them you would be nothing. Ever hear the term, "beggars can't be choosers?"? Well, Kosovo is in no position to tell the international community what to do.
(Ace, 18 August 2009 12:42)
You my friend seem to be the naive one, The Kosovar Assembly invited EUELEX and ICO by accepting the Ahtisaari plan, smth which is against Resolution 1244, but what do you know except trying to sound smart and anti-Albanian. Secondly, the United States of America gave us Kosovo back, for the "International Community" Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and who knows, Slobodan still alive and in power.
You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)
Actually we don't have to kick them out, since somebody in Brusels will relize that Internationals alomg with local staff are getting fat salaries for doing nothing.
"But since this is between Serbia and the EU they have nothing to ignore."
It's EULEX with Crna Gora, FYROM, Albania and Serbia. They want to solve certain crimes and it's better for Kosova anyway. How many criminals in Serbia (or anywhere) are protected by the ruling class?
"Now you have to ask yourself why can't the temporary institutions (KPS et al) solve the several thousand crimes committed against Serbians?"
I heard it was millions of crimes. But anyway, EULEX can't do jack without Kosova's police.
"I have also noticed an undercurrent changing the political policy on Kosovo. Obama did mention that it could be reversed but it will take time."
Very funny post. Was it Biden who said that for Obama ?
This will turn as big of a victory as the 6 points one for Serbia.
"The only way forward is back to the negotiating tables without internationals propping up false expectations. I am sure that all sides would be happy to solve this peacefully and properly.
(kate, 18 August 2009 11:22)
Kate,
I like your "optimism" but too much blood and many Albanian lives have been sacrified to trade Kosova's independence from Serbia.
Enlight us in here what can Kosovo Albanians negotiate with Serbia? I am preaty sure you didn't mean Kosova's independence.
Right, so if the US wants a deal with MUP, then it happens. Pristina cannot send the US home.
(Jason, 18 August 2009 19:19)
That's right, the US is the main force behind recognition, just like Russia is behind refusal on behalf of Belgrade. The main difference between the two is that US has the 95% support in the ground, while Russia has only 5%. So why would US go against the wishes of 95%? I mind you, the word "deal" in your statement is a little overloaded and whatever the "deal" you are talking about is, no one, even US, would not jeopardize the sovereignty of Kosova since this would mean to go back to square one and this is a little counter-logic. You might be happy that EULEX is throwing Belgrade a bone since apparently your view is a little skewed, but if I were you, I wouldn't pay too much attention to this "DEAL".
Right, so if the US wants a deal with MUP, then it happens. Pristina cannot send the US home.
(Jason, 18 August 2009 19:19)
You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
1. If you did not spent so much time in this region, how the heck do you know if "Kosova është Serbi" or not? (in perfect Albanian). You are either lying about your background or you are simply biased (you have only 2 options there).
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
There is a third option tough: I like to learn languages and have absolutely no inner guard preventing me to TRY to talk. Even if I speak with accent and grammatically incorrect. Helps in the first phase to pretend to know a lot, hinders to learn academically correct language. It is usually an advantage except France. I won't mind to live in France, but it has very special challenges.
In this case I took a special care about "Kosova është Serbi" - earlier I used to write "Kosova është Serbia", but some Albanians corrected me and thanks to them.
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Come to Kosovo and check it for yourself.
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
I was few times, want to go more. No problem with that, but this Summer was screwed up by many things outside of my control: not having protocol analyzer did slow up my work by few month, my supervisor out of sudden decided, she needs not just the driver but the BIOS and I am expectied to make a new BIOS within two weeks which just not happened. Thus, I am locked up till not ready. Further as you may know or not - there will be a new OS (Snow Leopard) soon and usually the developers are not allowed to travel anywhere until the OS is not released: customers may complain about compatibility and one has to be not just near Internet but have all hardware and software tools at his disposal. No, I am not working for Apple (this time), but for a company which depends on Apple. At a times it is good, now this Summer was from personal point of view very lousy. But at least I have the job.
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2. Where the jealosy? You even agreed last time that Hungarians in Serbia, Slovakia and Romania are jealous towards Kosovars because they (the Kosovars) had the guts to challenge Serbia and ethnic Hungarians in those countries never had the guts. You actually said this!
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
You did say, not me. Where I did agreed: indeed, the views of Vojvodina-Hungarians can be more extreme than of Serbs or other Slavs. I have my own guess, why is that but I did not elaborate because it is somewhat offending to both (Hungarians and Albanians) and could be plain wrong.
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3. Vlora Çitaku is boring, believe me. That's why she's still single :)
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
Could be - but the boring Çitaku is much better than the "entertaining" Viktor Orbán - save the plain funny Gábor Vona. From your and my point of view probably not-so-funny.
Besides who is more beautiful from your point of view?
a) http://www.assembly-kosova.org/?cid=2,102,526
b) http://nimg.sulekha.com/Others/original700/viktor-orban-2009-5-23-13-21-58.jpg
FTI: we did live near SF for a while - but NOT for THAT long to change my taste permanently :-)
I am not an expert on that - here you may ask "Smile", "Miri" or "Nelli" but my uneducated guess is, who is on this picture
c) http://www.topnews.in/files/Boris-Tadic2.jpg looks much better than who is on b)
And speaking about funny Gábor Vona - this picture speaks a lot about his sheer intelligence and of his Magyar Gárda:
Ron, where is International law in Darfur??? I will tell you where. It is dead, burried by Russia and China, the allies of the Sudanese regime. If you really care of people who die because of atrocities, famine and decease, then go there and complain about this REAL problem. International Law (if something like this really exist) is there failing, completely, just like in Ruanda, Srebrenica and now in Darfur.
"There is not much to uncover. My total time spent on the territory of (ex)YU is no more than a year, one the territory of Romania is two weeks and Slovakia even less.
Not sure, where the jealousy towards Kosovars ......
(Ataman, 18 August 2009 19:51)"
3 things Ataman:
1. If you did not spent so much time in this region, how the heck do you know if "Kosova është Serbi" or not? (in perfect Albanian). You are either lying about your background or you are simply biased (you have only 2 options there). Come to Kosovo and check it for yourself.
2. Where the jealosy? You even agreed last time that Hungarians in Serbia, Slovakia and Romania are jealous towards Kosovars because they (the Kosovars) had the guts to challenge Serbia and ethnic Hungarians in those countries never had the guts. You actually said this!
3. Vlora Çitaku is boring, believe me. That's why she's still single :)
Within the next 10-20 years the demographic and ethnic make-up of some so-called western elite nations are gonna change forever...it slowly has already. The western European nations didn't want to work in restaurants, fill gas at the stations, work menial jobs...so they imported cheap foreign labour...or so they thought. Even though France or the U.K will probably be number one loser due to this(and all the power to them); I wish people like Carl from Sweden the best when his country of 9 million has a minority problem and starts demanding some form of autonomy or more rights. Some people fail to realize with their open door immigration, poor screening and allowing too much of other laws (ie. U.K.) - certain minorities have used it as nothing more than a trojan horse.
In addition, one must not forget a higher birthrate
funded by a generous social welfare system in some countries ie. Canada), and one doens't even have to think about working. Why? Get free government cheque monthly (welfare), baby bonus, cheap affordable housing, free healthcare etc. Why work?
Anyways watch the destablization and deterioration of western Europe carefully, because it is there and slowly gaining ground daily.
Within years, maybe some people in the Balkans can look at them as "destablizing" and say...hey...we don't give a duck...right Carl?
How Pathetic! A Question for the Serb camp; Whatever happened to NO EULEX? before that NO UNMIK! and many other NOOOOO's before that! suddenly EULEX became your friend! It's obvious you guys realize and at the same time don't care about the lives of the Serb population in Kosovo. I guarantee you that if Clinton or Bush or whoever led the bombing of Serbia, were to say one negative word about Albanians the Serbs would proclaim him/her a hero. I personally as a Kosovar Albanian have no problem whatsoever with EULEX signing with MUP as long as it benefits the security issues in the ground.
jason,may i remind you that others too feel intouchable!Just remember hakkerup!h was n1 of unmik,but when needed,he was sacked...
The succes in kosovo needs albanian cooperation,and if you are the one who endanger that collaboration,you will not enjoy a long stay in kosova,be you international or albanian...
The only true question here is :is De Kermabon trying to weaken Thaci's position among albanian population with this unnecessery move?
If yes,troubles are at the horizont both for thaci and kermabon;but may be this is the true purpose of this agrement...
If not,he will have to work hard to gain the trust of the albanian politicians(because albanian population mistrust him,since the time he left kosovo...we all know why¨!)
hello Milan. Eu and un are as important to kosovo independence, as the IMF is to Serbia. The benefit is direct in Serbia vs indirectly in Kosovo.
Even if this goes through Serbia will just be another signatory with the rest of neighbours who knowlege the independence.
Hasis Tácsi bácsi has nothing to say here. Best he can do is to prepare his defense team how to negotiate a shorter sentence in Serbian court. His address should be a Serbian prison - for extended number of years.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 11:53)
I'd like to see you try to kick them out.
(Peggy, 18 August 2009 12:54)
I would like to see you try on stopping us from kicking them out.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
"The signing of the protocol on police cooperation between EULEX and Serbia's MUP, by ignoring relevant Kosovo institutions, will worsen the relations between the European mission and the Kosovo government," the cabinet of Premier Hashim Thaci said
Oh... Mr Thaci - You still thinking that Kosovo is not EU/UN protectorate but fully "independent" country??
What a naive thinking... Without EU - "independent" Kosovo can't exist and EU/UN and their authorities are pivotal in Kosovo.
Yes we do have some Albanians in sweden and many of them changed their Albanian names for swedish ones, without even speaking swedish properly or at all.
But, according to recent polls however, native swedes do not share their entusiasm for a narco-organ-sex-trafficking state on Serbian soil since a lot of Albanian-related heroin sex and gang-violence have turned some small towns and urban areas into night mares.
Does the EU have more to benefit from Kosovo or Serbia? Well MikeC considering the fact that 22 of the 27 countries have recognized the independence of Kosovo ignoring the objections of Serbia should answer your question.
Today, EULEX speaks with MUP and tomorrow they set up check points on the border between Kosovo and Serbia. That is reality and please spare us "coming back to negotiations". There is nothing to discuss. Kosovo will never return to the state who unsuccefully tried to exterminate the Albanian popuplation. There is no living together, only region swap (Presovo for Mitrovica) is the only theoretical discussion ground. But even that chance is very, very small.
There is no avoiding the fact that under international law, Kosovo remains a province of Serbia, or that EULEX was deployed under the strict understanding that it was status neutral.
As part of the UN structure, EULEX cannot support Kosovo's claims to sovereignty, but does have to respect the sovereignty of Serbia. It could never be any different when 'independence' was pushed through because of the political agenda of various countries without following due process.
You can't paper over cracks and expect the result to support the genuine emergence of a new state.
"Thaci's political Advisor Bekim Colaku said that there were different ways in which the implementation of this protocol could be blocked "should there be any disrespect of Kosovo statehood"."
I would be interested to know the ways in which implementation of this agreement could be blocked. I also note that EULEX is keen to say such an agreement is also being drawn up with other countries, but however they phrase it, the agreement with Serbia is obviously far more significant.
The only way forward is back to the negotiating tables without internationals propping up false expectations. I am sure that all sides would be happy to solve this peacefully and properly.
Actually we don't have to kick them out, since somebody in Brusels will relize that Internationals alomg with local staff are getting fat salaries for doing nothing.
You my friend seem to be the naive one, The Kosovar Assembly invited EUELEX and ICO by accepting the Ahtisaari plan, smth which is against Resolution 1244, but what do you know except trying to sound smart and anti-Albanian. Secondly, the United States of America gave us Kosovo back, for the "International Community" Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and who knows, Slobodan still alive and in power.
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 18:29)
Right, so if the US wants a deal with MUP, then it happens. Pristina cannot send the US home.
"The only way forward is back to the negotiating tables without internationals propping up false expectations. I am sure that all sides would be happy to solve this peacefully and properly.
(kate, 18 August 2009 11:22)
Kate,
I like your "optimism" but too much blood and many Albanian lives have been sacrified to trade Kosova's independence from Serbia.
Enlight us in here what can Kosovo Albanians negotiate with Serbia? I am preaty sure you didn't mean Kosova's independence.
Right, so if the US wants a deal with MUP, then it happens. Pristina cannot send the US home.
(Jason, 18 August 2009 19:19)
You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 11:53)
Kosova-USA and PRN are our local court jesters, best have a good laugh and continue the conversation with other people.
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Regarding this article, I hardly think the EU feels threatened by the Kosovo authorities, and they will lose nothing if relations are damaged, since all that the "authorities" can do is "warn" the EU not to do things and to do things.
Better just be content with the fact that they are now under new management, not independent, since without the EU, they are like without eyes, ears and hands.
Don't Thaci and Sejdiu know that the EU does not recognize the "Republic of Kosovo" (since all 27 members must do so)?
It is still known as Kosovo under UNSC Resolution 1244/99 (funny thing is that there are two separate liason offices: Pristina and Mitrovica, just goes to show), and MUP is the only legal, recognized authority that the EU should cooperate with, while the Kosovar authorities should just save their breaths and shut up.
since Kosovo is an independent and sovereign country and no one is allowed to sign anything on its behalf," Sejdiu's spokesperson Dzavit Beciri said.
I wonder when Thaci, Sejdiu and the rest will leave la la land and join the rest of us in the real world. Its going to be a bumpy landing when they finally arrive.
Right, so if the US wants a deal with MUP, then it happens. Pristina cannot send the US home.
(Jason, 18 August 2009 19:19)
That's right, the US is the main force behind recognition, just like Russia is behind refusal on behalf of Belgrade. The main difference between the two is that US has the 95% support in the ground, while Russia has only 5%. So why would US go against the wishes of 95%? I mind you, the word "deal" in your statement is a little overloaded and whatever the "deal" you are talking about is, no one, even US, would not jeopardize the sovereignty of Kosova since this would mean to go back to square one and this is a little counter-logic. You might be happy that EULEX is throwing Belgrade a bone since apparently your view is a little skewed, but if I were you, I wouldn't pay too much attention to this "DEAL".
EULEX should get in their head the Kosovar Government invited them and could easy kick them out if they breach their main mission which is nothing more then "supervision".
(Pejoni, 18 August 2009 11:53)
Are you that naive? The international community "gave" you Kosovo and without them you would be nothing. Ever hear the term, "beggars can't be choosers?"? Well, Kosovo is in no position to tell the international community what to do.
Why are you referring to Albanians if Kosovo is supposed to be an multi-ethnic state?
Then refer to ALL Kosovars!
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"Thaci's political Advisor Bekim Colaku said that there were different ways in which the implementation of this protocol could be blocked "should there be any disrespect of Kosovo statehood". ""
Reality check! Kosovo is not a state. But a UN controlled Serbian province!
So yes, EULEX/UNMIK is in charge. NOT the so called Kosovo government!
Well said novisad.
Nice one EULEX
KP and MUP will not cooperate while the crime that crosses borders of Serbia and Kosova cannot be tolerated and this is where EULEX should step in. In addition, this agreement would complete the conditions that Serbia needs for White Schengen.
This is very positive and I hope it works.
I had to laugh at some of the comments from Pristina. As a UK taxpayer I would love to see the EULUX Mission, UNMIK and all the other quango organisations leave Kosovo. My tax £s can be better spent elsewhere. In this scenario I would also like to see how the institutions of self government would work without international advice, money and co-operation. One only has to look at the police and judiciary to understand that the whole place is a pack of cards waiting to collapse. Plus whatever criticism there may be of those Serbs still left at least they have systems that make the place governable.
Please tell your government! To all Americans and Europeans here: please tell your government to stop this Kosovo project and preserve international law!
International law is so much more important then Kosovo!
And to all in Kosovo:
Start building an economy please. As part of Serbia and part of Europe!
to kate,i will tell you why eulex signing is stupid:if kosova is serbia,why do you have the need of signing this document?either you accept that kosovo is independent,either you say that serbia is a non fonctional state in kosovo!
Chose which pleases you,but in both case you are the loser!
As for me,Please Eulex,just do it!You will help us so much by doing so:albanians will understand that working with eulex is working with MUP!
"But since this is between Serbia and the EU they have nothing to ignore."
It's EULEX with Crna Gora, FYROM, Albania and Serbia. They want to solve certain crimes and it's better for Kosova anyway. How many criminals in Serbia (or anywhere) are protected by the ruling class?
"Now you have to ask yourself why can't the temporary institutions (KPS et al) solve the several thousand crimes committed against Serbians?"
I heard it was millions of crimes. But anyway, EULEX can't do jack without Kosova's police.
"I have also noticed an undercurrent changing the political policy on Kosovo. Obama did mention that it could be reversed but it will take time."
Very funny post. Was it Biden who said that for Obama ?
This will turn as big of a victory as the 6 points one for Serbia.
Kate, when somebody claims that we are talking about International Law then I clearly show that International Law is more than some lines on a map. That "drama" that Ron show us is not even close to that what I call critical. Remember, it was the Serbian state which oppressed Albanians in a very volatile way, making Kosovo the worst region in Europe regarding human rights. Human rights are the basic for the international law and not vice versa. When somebody complains about Kosovo's secession then he must complain even louder about the abuse of human rights under Serbian rule. Moreover, I simply compare with the current situation and the possibilities we have left and when we are frank then we all know that there is no return of Kosovo to Serbia, due to these crimes from the 90s.
Overall, it is therefore very important to emphasize that the Kosovo issue is more but some lines on the map, but this is what Serbs complain about. And when I compare this with REAL problems like Darfur or the genocide in Ruanda and Srebrenica then it shows how ridicilous this complaint really is, especially when reflecting that this developement results from failed Serbian policy of oppression, expelling and killing its own citizens.
If one of the core tasks of EULEX is to fight organized crime in Kosovo and if there is reasonable suspicion that certain elements of the Kosovo rulling politicans are involved in organized crime, one cannot see how and which agreement should be signed by Kosovo Authorities in this particular issue.
If Eulex signs this document with Serbia that would be further indication of a policy shift. I have noticed recently many signs of USA/UK changed approaches towards Kosovo.
At present, the current arrangements are only hearting people living in Kosovo (no white schengen as an example). The best thing would be if Albanian and Serbian leaders sit down and find a long-lasting solution. I think that under current circumstances this is very possible; I think that under current circumstances this is very possible; it just takes courage and political will.
""The signing of international agreements is in the sole jurisdiction of the institutions of the Republic of Kosovo, since Kosovo is an independent and sovereign country and no one is allowed to sign anything on its behalf," Sejdiu's spokesperson Dzavit Beciri said."
Well, if these institutions had some sense of responsibility they would seek such an agreement (among with many others) with Belgrade. But they are apparently more interested in their nationalistic adventures than participating in building a stable future for the Balkans. And while I wouldn't expect anything else from them by now, neither should kosovar leadership expect us (the west) to support them in that. Most of us are more or less fine with the fact that our tax money are used to finance peace and stability in the Balkans, but financing someone's nationalistic ambitions is a completely different story.
“But the Albanian language media are reporting this Tuesday that Kosovo Albanian leaders are "warning that the officials of the EU mission risk aggravating their relations with Kosovo institutions". “
What are you going to do? Kick them out? Are you really that arrogant? Don't you realize that Kosovo is totally dependent on the good will of the international community?
Much ado about nothing. Read the Ahtisaari plan, it states the supervised, transitional Independence and gives EULEX a role.
As said, eulex with 1300 people will be blocked in a heartbeat if they cross the line. NATO is leaving in 5 years completely so guess what Serbia? RECOGNITION.
Are you that naive? The international community "gave" you Kosovo and without them you would be nothing. Ever hear the term, "beggars can't be choosers?"? Well, Kosovo is in no position to tell the international community what to do.
(Ace, 18 August 2009 12:42)
You my friend seem to be the naive one, The Kosovar Assembly invited EUELEX and ICO by accepting the Ahtisaari plan, smth which is against Resolution 1244, but what do you know except trying to sound smart and anti-Albanian. Secondly, the United States of America gave us Kosovo back, for the "International Community" Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and who knows, Slobodan still alive and in power.
Thaci's political Advisor Bekim Colaku said that there were different ways in which the implementation of this protocol could be blocked "should there be any disrespect of Kosovo statehood".
But of course we know how red your hands are, no need to stress it again!
Can someone explain them that the Kosovo statehood only exists on their wish list, officially it is still not the case!
And to all K-A supporters, your ongoing spiting on everybody's face that doesn't agree with you including your protectors will only ternish further the poor image you have in EU.
Time to change and do something positive for your wounderland if you want to be accepted and respected.
"This is done by internationals in order to trick Serbia in other ways."
Wait and see.
PRN
Ask yourself one question: Does the EU have more to benifit from Serbia or Kosovo? Kosovo has nothing to offer but problems.
You seem to think that the entire world is going to trick Serbia in order to appease Albanians in Kosovo.
I don't know why you directed that comment at me, but I guess you wanted to use it as a springboard to your own derogatory comment about Kosovo.
Anyway, your comment implies that swedes oppose Kosovo because of racial/cultural/whatever traits of Kosovar Albanians. I would say the sad truth is that the average swede couldn't tell the difference between a Serb and an Albanian.
I don't think Swedes (or other westerners) gives a flying duck about whether Kosovo is independent or a part of Serbia. They do however (like I said) don't want their tax money to be wasted supporting nationalistic ambitions that cannot lead to future stability, which I believe what most of us care about (if we care at all). If that means independence for Kosovo or autonomy within Serbia isn't however our concern.
BTW, if you have a link to the polls you refer to it would be really nice of you to share it with us.
i think it´s gonna be like the 6-point-plan, it´s gonna be signed and implemented, while the albanians are allowed to sign and ignore it ....
(raso, 18 August 2009 11:07)
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Our ethnic Albanian citizen have to accept it. They can't bite the hand that feeds them right? But since this is between Serbia and the EU they have nothing to ignore.
Now you have to ask yourself why can't the temporary institutions (KPS et al) solve the several thousand crimes committed against Serbians? Could it have something to do with these criminals being part of those temporary institutions or being shielded by them?
It makes sense to keep them excluded while investigating crimes as it would otherwise become easy to obstruct. Now since Bush has left the scene, I have also noticed an undercurrent changing the political policy on Kosovo. Obama did mention that it could be reversed but it will take time.
First things first, lets introduce the rule of law to this lawless province. It will be much better for everyone (well most people) concerned.
Ron, where is International law in Darfur??? I will tell you where. It is dead, burried by Russia and China, the allies of the Sudanese regime. If you really care of people who die because of atrocities, famine and decease, then go there and complain about this REAL problem. International Law (if something like this really exist) is there failing, completely, just like in Ruanda, Srebrenica and now in Darfur.
"You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)"
Well Mr. KosovO - USA, if you send Jason home for his views then you might just as well send 98% of the USA contingent home because most of us here agree with Jason! Prisitina is qucikly forgetting where they get their "power" if that is what you want to call it. Who on earth is Pristina to sit there and make threats to the EU? WE DECIDE!!! NOT PRISTINA as Yves just stated! And threats of violence from the Albanians (if they dont get their way)like there were against the UN in the past will not work with the EU... So give it a rest and do as you are told.
The US and the EU own Kosovo now, period. They are the bosses there, not any Mafioso Albanians with fancy titles and badges. This vocal protest is meant for the local citizenry - to show how powerful they are - get real. The US/EU tells the Albanians to jump, and they ask how high. The EU will work with the Serbian MUP, regardless what Pristina's make-believe government says. BTW Mrs/Mr Kosovo US, who has the military, and who can kick who out? Wake up.
" Would they last long in power if they said "yes, this was a deal cut with EULEX and Belgrade because they still have powers that supercede ours"? They wouldn't last long "
Honesty is a virtue!
It is time the Albanians tell the Albanian Kosovars the truth: Kosovo is not an independent state. It is a province ruled by UN and EU!
And hey, learn to love each other.
But the West should really stop spending so much money on this!
Thank you for uncovering your mask Ataman.
(hmmmm, 18 August 2009 14:15)
There is not much to uncover. My total time spent on the territory of (ex)YU is no more than a year, one the territory of Romania is two weeks and Slovakia even less.
Not sure, where the jealousy towards Kosovars - didn't I joke with Szemi on multiple occasions, that we won't mind if Croatian/Serbian border would be in the middle of Budapest? Where we did not agree: I don't mind if Vlora Citaku becomes Hungarian PM, but Szemi does. That's OK, Kosovo je Srbija even if Vlora Citaku kicks out these idiots from Hungarian parliament.
In any case I think, Hungarian cheese sucks and more Albanians/more Serbs/more Croats = more good cheese in Hungary. :-)
Enlight us in here what can Kosovo Albanians negotiate with Serbia? I am preaty sure you didn't mean Kosova's independence.
(EA, 18 August 2009 19:54)
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Tell me, do you think the US will continue to waste funds on something that will never happen? Kosovo's independence is irreversibly blocked and that position is much easier to maintain for Serbia and Russia than it is to maintain the occupation or to waste further funds and resources on recognitions. The US is in no position to waste anymore funds and NATO is exiting as a result.
The simple fact is - it costs next to nothing to block independence so all paths lead to negotiations and that means more than autonomy less than independence with Albanian self-rule. The sooner our ethnic Albanian citizens come to that realisation the sooner the region will prosper.
Now tell me why I keep hearing about this Greater Albania dream and how ethnic Albanians want to snatch land from others but if they were all offered access to the West they would be the first to abandon their land?
How Pathetic! A Question for the Serb camp; Whatever happened to NO EULEX? before that NO UNMIK! and many other NOOOOO's before that! suddenly EULEX became your friend! It's obvious you guys realize and at the same time don't care about the lives of the Serb population in Kosovo. I guarantee you that if Clinton or Bush or whoever led the bombing of Serbia, were to say one negative word about Albanians the Serbs would proclaim him/her a hero. I personally as a Kosovar Albanian have no problem whatsoever with EULEX signing with MUP as long as it benefits the security issues in the ground.
Kosova-USA
Guess again about sending Jason home. Heres a reality check for you. In the USA we still have freedom of speach and opinion unlike Kosovo you support.
""The signing of the protocol on police cooperation between EULEX and Serbia's MUP, by ignoring relevant Kosovo institutions, will worsen the relations between the European mission and the Kosovo government," the cabinet of Premier Hashim Thaci said, according to the local media."
-- Statements like these are more for public consumption than anything else. Obviously some sort of deal was cut with Hash and the Gang by EULEX. The Albanians here are acting incredulously that their authority was ignored or overlooked, but I think it's safe to say that Pristina really doesn't care about what EULEX and the rest of Serbia do as long as they maintain some access to power. Some people here still think Hash actually cares about Kosovo more than his own power. But yes, Hash and the rest will release statements of anger and impotent threats to the international community that feeds them. They have to. Would they last long in power if they said "yes, this was a deal cut with EULEX and Belgrade because they still have powers that supercede ours"? They wouldn't last long.
It's very similar to when the 6 Point Plan was signed. I'm sure Hash knew about it and I'm sure he agreed to it, but he needs to play the nationalist card in order to divert the ire of his sheeple.
I am amazed at the comments on this column. The international governments do not care about the people of Kosovo.The only reason that the US is interested in the region is to send it it's own companies, use the local resources for profit and leave when done.If the US, Uk etc really cared so much about the people in the world it would be helping the poor people of Darfur, where it is much needed. Of course there is no economic benefit to go there so lets ignore the problem and set up a pretend we care org.
A good film to see regarding the world monetary system and the role the US has on the world is , The ZeigiestFilm part 2 Free on the internet. Might be easier understood for the simple minds on this column who believe that the economic strong in the world care so much about the Albanians in Kosovo.Wake up ! You should allow the US to come and use the Kosovo resources, US will leave and you will have a so called independent sate, OH no more resources, no jobs, huge unemployment, large scale crime, poverty.You are already there the poorest region of Europe.No EU status and forget about traveling. Open your eyes Kosovo Albanians see the truth, plenty of history to research for answers.
The Serb team is getting way too excited over nothing. The Albanian team is also getting unnecessarily disappointed with EULEX too. This agreement does not change Kosova’s status, period. I just hope they arrest every criminal in the region regardless of ethnicity.
department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)
And I bet he will be replaced by you, then we are safe!
Kosovo-USA to Jason: "You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again."
What is that personal attack about? Is it a threat? Jason is entitled to his point of view just as you are, probably more if he's actually there on the ground.
Incredible and sad that you think you can silence an opinion by threatening to 'unmask' someone on a discussion forum. And how ironic that if he does work for the great bringer of democracy you think he is not entitled to express his thoughts.
John: I agree with you about the terrible situation in Darfur (and other nations - where to begin?), but this is a thread about Kosovo on a Serbian news site.
The issue may not be important to you, but you shouldn't knock people for feeling differently. Why would you bother joining if you feel it is so irrelevant?
The situation in Kosovo is by far not a done deal, and there are still plenty of people suffering throughout the Balkans. You can't tell people that their cause is invalid because more people are suffering somewhere else.
All Europeans should be concerned about Kosovo because it represents the ability by the current 'international community' to change our borders for political ends and hand chunks of land to their favoured 'allies' of the moment. The damage and disrespect to all international laws and structures affects us all, in Europe and beyond.
I personally as a Kosovar Albanian have no problem whatsoever with EULEX signing with MUP as long as it benefits the security issues in the ground.
(spunky, 19 August 2009 03:11)
Spunky,
Good to hear because it does benefit everyone. Sad to say but there are no ethnic problems between Serbs and Albanians when it comes to organized crime. They only see green (money). N. Mitro is a prime example, so any cooperation between police agencies is welcome in my opinion. I would think that Serbian and Albanian parents alike do not want heroin or weapons available to their children, regardless of opinion on the political situation.
The good news is, we just learned that the agreement is going forward and will be signed shortly. It is signed by EULEX and MUP, and not on behalf of Kosovo, so it is not a political issue but rather a public safety one.
You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)
"There is not much to uncover. My total time spent on the territory of (ex)YU is no more than a year, one the territory of Romania is two weeks and Slovakia even less.
Not sure, where the jealousy towards Kosovars ......
(Ataman, 18 August 2009 19:51)"
3 things Ataman:
1. If you did not spent so much time in this region, how the heck do you know if "Kosova është Serbi" or not? (in perfect Albanian). You are either lying about your background or you are simply biased (you have only 2 options there). Come to Kosovo and check it for yourself.
2. Where the jealosy? You even agreed last time that Hungarians in Serbia, Slovakia and Romania are jealous towards Kosovars because they (the Kosovars) had the guts to challenge Serbia and ethnic Hungarians in those countries never had the guts. You actually said this!
3. Vlora Çitaku is boring, believe me. That's why she's still single :)
You got it all wrong Jason. We have a bound with US, but a US citizens as yourslef will be shipped home if you only had the guts to reveal your true identity and if state department finds out, you will be back in no time in your home town back in good old USA. Oh, and you will never get another chance to go on another mission ever again.
(Kosova-USA, 18 August 2009 21:24)
1. If you did not spent so much time in this region, how the heck do you know if "Kosova është Serbi" or not? (in perfect Albanian). You are either lying about your background or you are simply biased (you have only 2 options there).
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
There is a third option tough: I like to learn languages and have absolutely no inner guard preventing me to TRY to talk. Even if I speak with accent and grammatically incorrect. Helps in the first phase to pretend to know a lot, hinders to learn academically correct language. It is usually an advantage except France. I won't mind to live in France, but it has very special challenges.
In this case I took a special care about "Kosova është Serbi" - earlier I used to write "Kosova është Serbia", but some Albanians corrected me and thanks to them.
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Come to Kosovo and check it for yourself.
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
I was few times, want to go more. No problem with that, but this Summer was screwed up by many things outside of my control: not having protocol analyzer did slow up my work by few month, my supervisor out of sudden decided, she needs not just the driver but the BIOS and I am expectied to make a new BIOS within two weeks which just not happened. Thus, I am locked up till not ready. Further as you may know or not - there will be a new OS (Snow Leopard) soon and usually the developers are not allowed to travel anywhere until the OS is not released: customers may complain about compatibility and one has to be not just near Internet but have all hardware and software tools at his disposal. No, I am not working for Apple (this time), but for a company which depends on Apple. At a times it is good, now this Summer was from personal point of view very lousy. But at least I have the job.
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2. Where the jealosy? You even agreed last time that Hungarians in Serbia, Slovakia and Romania are jealous towards Kosovars because they (the Kosovars) had the guts to challenge Serbia and ethnic Hungarians in those countries never had the guts. You actually said this!
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
You did say, not me. Where I did agreed: indeed, the views of Vojvodina-Hungarians can be more extreme than of Serbs or other Slavs. I have my own guess, why is that but I did not elaborate because it is somewhat offending to both (Hungarians and Albanians) and could be plain wrong.
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3. Vlora Çitaku is boring, believe me. That's why she's still single :)
(hmmmm, 19 August 2009 00:47)
Could be - but the boring Çitaku is much better than the "entertaining" Viktor Orbán - save the plain funny Gábor Vona. From your and my point of view probably not-so-funny.
Besides who is more beautiful from your point of view?
a) http://www.assembly-kosova.org/?cid=2,102,526
b) http://nimg.sulekha.com/Others/original700/viktor-orban-2009-5-23-13-21-58.jpg
FTI: we did live near SF for a while - but NOT for THAT long to change my taste permanently :-)
I am not an expert on that - here you may ask "Smile", "Miri" or "Nelli" but my uneducated guess is, who is on this picture
c) http://www.topnews.in/files/Boris-Tadic2.jpg looks much better than who is on b)
And speaking about funny Gábor Vona - this picture speaks a lot about his sheer intelligence and of his Magyar Gárda:
jason,may i remind you that others too feel intouchable!Just remember hakkerup!h was n1 of unmik,but when needed,he was sacked...
The succes in kosovo needs albanian cooperation,and if you are the one who endanger that collaboration,you will not enjoy a long stay in kosova,be you international or albanian...
The only true question here is :is De Kermabon trying to weaken Thaci's position among albanian population with this unnecessery move?
If yes,troubles are at the horizont both for thaci and kermabon;but may be this is the true purpose of this agrement...
If not,he will have to work hard to gain the trust of the albanian politicians(because albanian population mistrust him,since the time he left kosovo...we all know why¨!)
Within the next 10-20 years the demographic and ethnic make-up of some so-called western elite nations are gonna change forever...it slowly has already. The western European nations didn't want to work in restaurants, fill gas at the stations, work menial jobs...so they imported cheap foreign labour...or so they thought. Even though France or the U.K will probably be number one loser due to this(and all the power to them); I wish people like Carl from Sweden the best when his country of 9 million has a minority problem and starts demanding some form of autonomy or more rights. Some people fail to realize with their open door immigration, poor screening and allowing too much of other laws (ie. U.K.) - certain minorities have used it as nothing more than a trojan horse.
In addition, one must not forget a higher birthrate
funded by a generous social welfare system in some countries ie. Canada), and one doens't even have to think about working. Why? Get free government cheque monthly (welfare), baby bonus, cheap affordable housing, free healthcare etc. Why work?
Anyways watch the destablization and deterioration of western Europe carefully, because it is there and slowly gaining ground daily.
Within years, maybe some people in the Balkans can look at them as "destablizing" and say...hey...we don't give a duck...right Carl?
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