Dačić: Draft for EULEX cooperation finished

Of course without Prishtina's agreement , your agreement with EULEX will be nothing but a piece of toilet paper.
(Kosova-USA, 16 August 2009 11:27)

Wrong once again. EU has an executive department that does not monitor but rather has the power to make arrests and conduct investigation without Pristina's knowledge and/or approval. It has taken awhile to get it running but now you will see that they do not need anyone in Kosovo's permission to work with MUP on criminal cases. Sorry to break this news to you...

Ivanovic is trying to annoy Albanians in Kosova by signing agreement with EULEX and that is in the name that "Serbia doesn't recongnise Kosova as an independent country". But Serbia knows very well that it has NO CONTROL whatsoever in Kosova. Way forward Kosova to strengthen the relationship with Albania, government in Kosova to assert its full authority in northern Kosova. When times becomes "miserable" for the Albanians because of the Serbian objection to recognise Kosova's independence then the Serbian fear for a velika Albania will be a reality.

"Of course without Prishtina's agreement , your agreement with EULEX will be nothing but a piece of toilet paper.
(Kosova-USA, 16 August 2009 11:27)"

Really? How so? Because apparently EULEX doesn't seem to think this, and probably convinced (bribed) Hash and the rest that this is the way forward. Can you provide any tangible evidence that justifies EULEX needing the agreement of a government that can't assert authority large parts of its "country", or do you just feel the need to flex your vocal chords because your own side has been apparently pwned?

“However, there is a possibility that EULEX will create a bilateral agreement, one with Belgrade and one with Priština, then that would be able to function,” Ivanović said.

Of course without Prishtina's agreement , your agreement with EULEX will be nothing but a piece of toilet paper.

-I have no idea on earth what in the heck this means... can anyone explain please?
(Jason, 16 August 2009 22:06)

Whatch out Jason, he might have track you down on google earther form his office in NY...

P.S Jason what will those 200-300 EULEX cop be able to do without their Albanian partners aside from visiting online blogs?
(johny, 16 August 2009 19:41)

Quite a bit, actually. We can conduct our own investigations without Pristina's help. We can work with police from Serbia and Bulgaria to stop smuggling done by criminals INCLUDING Albanian ones. Furthermore, in case you did not know, the US decides what does and does not happen in Kosovo, so if Washington wants to partner with MUP, it happens. Living in the US you should know that one. Our first target: Haradinaj:)

Hardly surprising to see the ultra nationalist against anything that will eventually help to clean this black hole, irrespective whether it's callrd Eulex, Unmik, COE, Marty etc.., they think that since they got an illegal UDI they became the center of the world and can spit on everybody's face!

"Aren't you lucky you got the job, becasue there was nothing waiting for back home in USA, since you already started your new life including your new family in ZB."

-I have no idea on earth what in the heck this means... can anyone explain please?

Kosova-USA wrote,

Oh please Jason, I know the eulex mission and all about that particular department.
Aren't you lucky you got the job, becasue there was nothing waiting for back home in USA, since you already started your new life including your new family in ZB.

Well Jason, looks like Kosova-USA has you all figured out. You had no prospects in America so you grabbed the next best thing, "Kosova". In his mind you only have opportunities in his land of illusions. He seems to know all just by looking into his computer like it was a crystal ball.

I wish I had such powers.

Jokes aside, I can only hope that this agreement will bear some fruit on who is killing the Serbs in Kosovo.
So far EULEX has been pretty useless when it comes to arresting people who have been terrorizing and killing Serbs there. Good at letting proven terrorists out of prison but no good at anything else.

Could this be because it is not politically correct to accuse Albanians of anything?

Our first target: Haradinaj:)
(Jason, 16 August 2009 22:14)
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Ouch! Now are these people going to bite the hand that feeds them?

I can sense some undercurrents brewing and I wouldn't like to be an ethnic Albanian "politician" with criminal links.

Johny,

Those 200-300 cops can do as they please because they will be allowed to do so by the Kosovo Albanians. Don't forget that as a result of independence recognition, the international community now has the upper hand and they will be granted permission to anything by the Albanians in order for their support to continue. Do not have any illusions of true independence. They don't exist and never will. The international presence is not leaving, period.

while "kosovo-usa"´s comment is only about toilet-articles - whether he knows something about that we do not know - the other writer who calls himself "USA" is quite right:

the internationals, led by the US-occupation-troops, are only using the Albanians in order to keep their own foot in the southern balkans.

as long as the Albanians dream of greater Albania and of being the descendants of the illyrians they will not realize how they are being duped.

but that´s only a question of time, the livingstandard will very likely rise there too, and then sooner or later the Albanians will finally start to think instead of dreaming around...

Serbia will be ready.

let´s just see what future brings...

Hmm, I wonder if this is the first step to getting MUP back into the North and other parts of our province? Watch this space. ;)

It has long been alleged that many of the criminals running free in the province are members of the KPS so this could be the start to weeding them out.

I can understand EULEX having some independence in policing mattera and if we are honest for a second, quite a high proportion of the provincial population have difficulties grasping the "rule of law" concept. Making them understand is a step in the right direction.

EULEX are intent on enforcing the US drafted 'Ahtisaari plan'.
They are ignoring and even denigrating the UN.
EULEX will continue to rid Kosovo i Metohija of all Serbs and Roma and will then flaunt the new multi-ethnic 'Kosova' comprising Albanians, Ashkhali, Bosniaks, Turks and 'Egyptians'.

God help them!

MB,Ireland

Oh please Jason, I know the eulex mission and all about that particular department.
Aren't you lucky you got the job, becasue there was nothing waiting for back home in USA, since you already started your new life including your new family in ZB.
I can tell you one thing , that EULEX Mission is worthless till now. They have not done a thing, unless they start now in septmeber after long vacation even before December 9,2008.

'he might have track you down on google earther form his office in NY..'

i gather our albanian friend is in kosovo and he has no office because it went to someone with a decolletage :)) but i'm frequently wrong ;)
anyway i prefer an honest albanian to a dishonest troll

To Kosova-USA:
There must be something that really hurts you in Jason’s comments when you started with personal insinuations. Could it be the truth? I would recommend that you control yourself in the future, because that kind of reaction is exactly what people think about first when they think about Albanians. I don’t have to explain the rest of the picture in their heads and the damage it will do to you in the long run, do I?

'They are ignoring and even denigrating the UN.
EULEX will continue to rid Kosovo i Metohija of all Serbs and Roma'

MB, excellent post. its just that they dont get rid of serbs, they sit back and watch their separatist proteges do it and wait for it to finish. some of them speak with forked tongues depending on what time of day it is and in what office they're in. and they speak about core issues for my nation such as my country's sovereign internationally recognised borders.

Serbia's Attitude: I have no control over Kosova or in Kosova so I will sign, talk, with anyone there BUT the Kosovars. :)

Does anyone know the significance of this protocol? Remember 6 points?

Leave your defending positions for a while and think about this logically for a moment. What are the real chances of any of this being relevant if Albanians do not agree. As a matter of fact the chances of anything in Kosova happening without the agreement of Albanians are almost zero. Take only UMNIK as an example. Nothing can be implemented on the ground without the will of the Albanians. If any of you are so foolish to believe otherwise then you maybe are a couch potato from Belgrade.

P.S Jason what will those 200-300 EULEX cop be able to do without their Albanian partners aside from visiting online blogs?

mospyt you are very right. however you lose sight of the fact we're talking not about serbia that agrees to these filthy games but about one government and on the way out at that. take that into consideration. and also, that we also know.
it wouldnt hurt either to define battle and war. we win some lose some but since kosovo froze in frozen conflict with illegal secession attempt the war goes on.

don't you love it! Read the article the agreement proposed is for cooperation on organized crime that moves across the border.
Ivanovic portrays it as if Serbian police will have some function in Kosovo. Simply not true.
It would be interesting to hear from EULEX exactly what is happening.

I love to see the Serbian camp comments here.

They understand all international missions in Kosova as an extended hand of Belgrade in Kosova.

I just can't believe that you are so naive to believe that EU or US will do your dirty job and oppress Kosovars since you are not able to do it anymore.

Nobody is asking them to leave. They should be there in my opinion at least for another 2 decades. However you're missing the point. What can 200-300 EULEX cops do if 2 million do not want to cooperate. For anything to actually work in Kosova, Albanian cooperation is a must; if not that at least tacit agreement.

@ Johny

Swiss guy hold your horses there. You're too impulsive for some strange reason. Some of us have families there and do not show as impulsive of a behaviour as you are showing.

commented on this already many times, so make some research and you'll have the answer.
Re your named criminal, well be honest, look at yourselves in a mirror and swear on your children's heads (if you have any) that this guy is a saint heroe, but don't forget to cross your fingers behind your back while doing it!

Swiss guy hold your horses there. You're too impulsive for some strange reason. Some of us have families there and do not show as impulsive of a behaviour as you are showing.
Haradinaj is there; go get him; who's stopping you. If Hague wants him again he'll volunteer again to go there. We are not talking about Serbs here; they have a habit of hiding and evading justice if you haven't noticed by now.

Second Jason you're being too naive into thinking that you can achieve something; anything against the will of 2 million people. Too naive in my opinion. Also do you care to explain how will the Bulgar and Serb policemen be available to you in Kosova?
Having said that; your mission there is to help Kosova. If 95% of the population there is against something and you go there and disregard popular support you are not really helping. You are causing problems. That's what I meant earlier in my posts. Not only you cannot achieve anything with 200-300 EULEX policemen; but even if you had tens of thousands of them you would not be able to achieve anything if you lack popular support or at least a tacit agreement from the population.

For anything there to get results you need Albanian cooperation; whether you like it or not. It doesn't matter that some of you are biased against them. Fact of the matter is that nothing productive will be achieved without cooperation from the Albanian side.

P.S What makes you believe that the US would in any case go against the population of Kosova. As things stand now; it doesn't take a genius to figure out (whether we are talking about EULEX, UNMIK etc.) that whenever Serbia is involved over issues regarding Kosova; no matter who is in the government, Thaci, Haradinaj, Ceku or Surroi, will have the backing of the entire population not to implement something that hinders Kosova in anyway and saves Serbia's face.

-I have no idea on earth what in the heck this means... can anyone explain please?
(Jason, 16 August 2009 22:06)

Whatch out Jason, he might have track you down on google earther form his office in NY...
(The Swiss, 16 August 2009 23:29)
....

No need to have google earth installed on your PC, you should come in Kosovo and everything will be clear. EULEX=UNMIK.

Johny,

My point is that the Albanian government in Kosovo will dictate to its citizens that abiding by ALL international request is a must in order to maintain support for "the cause." If the population does not wish to abide by these rules, then there will be dissent within the ranks. Lose-Lose!

I'm loving this. Just because Prishtina cries foul about this agreement, Belgrade spins as a great success. In fact, Belgrade is being forced by the EU to sign away his own fanthom authority over Kosovo. EULEX cooperation was one of the main conditions for the White Schengen agreement and Serbia has had no choice. Prishtna knows the real score, it knows that it benefits from this. They've probably worked out that it's worth giving Belgrade a Phyric PR victory in exchange for the real one. And don't be fooled, the Serbian government knows this too.

Re your named criminal, well be honest, look at yourselves in a mirror and swear on your children's heads (if you have any) that this guy is a saint heroe, but don't forget to cross your fingers behind your back while doing it!
(The Swiss, 17 August 2009 23:11)

Don't know if that was addressed to me. No need to do what you say. In case you have noticed my posts I haven't claimed for anyone to be a saint be him in Prishtina or in Belgrade. There are no saints ( I am religon-less by the way; I don't believe in fairy tales such as saints).
I however can always point out that the Serbs that are wanted by the Hague are hidden from international justice by Serbia's government while those Albanian that Hague wanted to judge volunteered. Have yet to hear about one that hid.

Furthermore, in case you did not know, the US decides what does and does not happen in Kosovo, so if Washington wants to partner with MUP, it happens. Living in the US you should know that one. Our first target: Haradinaj:)

i had a laugh at that:haradinaj is a product of who you said.albanian population has already juged him a) for the war period(total respect as it appeared during his hague process) and b)as a post war politiian and did not elected his men!
so do you really think we need you?
A H ,yes,we do to have haradinaj connections with the karic throught eqrel lukajexplained to some haradinaj supporters,we will then better understand why Berisha(an old friend of the karic during petrol embargo with serbia!) needed to support him and sign(he too!) an agrement with haradinaj...
We do wait for your next move,as haradinaj case is concerned!(do you really think that people in kosovo do not know BETTER than you things?)

“However, there is a possibility that EULEX will create a bilateral agreement, one with Belgrade and one with Priština, then that would be able to function,” Ivanović said.

Of course without Prishtina's agreement , your agreement with EULEX will be nothing but a piece of toilet paper.

Ivanovic is trying to annoy Albanians in Kosova by signing agreement with EULEX and that is in the name that "Serbia doesn't recongnise Kosova as an independent country". But Serbia knows very well that it has NO CONTROL whatsoever in Kosova. Way forward Kosova to strengthen the relationship with Albania, government in Kosova to assert its full authority in northern Kosova. When times becomes "miserable" for the Albanians because of the Serbian objection to recognise Kosova's independence then the Serbian fear for a velika Albania will be a reality.

Oh please Jason, I know the eulex mission and all about that particular department.
Aren't you lucky you got the job, becasue there was nothing waiting for back home in USA, since you already started your new life including your new family in ZB.
I can tell you one thing , that EULEX Mission is worthless till now. They have not done a thing, unless they start now in septmeber after long vacation even before December 9,2008.

Of course without Prishtina's agreement , your agreement with EULEX will be nothing but a piece of toilet paper.
(Kosova-USA, 16 August 2009 11:27)

Wrong once again. EU has an executive department that does not monitor but rather has the power to make arrests and conduct investigation without Pristina's knowledge and/or approval. It has taken awhile to get it running but now you will see that they do not need anyone in Kosovo's permission to work with MUP on criminal cases. Sorry to break this news to you...

Swiss guy hold your horses there. You're too impulsive for some strange reason. Some of us have families there and do not show as impulsive of a behaviour as you are showing.
Haradinaj is there; go get him; who's stopping you. If Hague wants him again he'll volunteer again to go there. We are not talking about Serbs here; they have a habit of hiding and evading justice if you haven't noticed by now.

Second Jason you're being too naive into thinking that you can achieve something; anything against the will of 2 million people. Too naive in my opinion. Also do you care to explain how will the Bulgar and Serb policemen be available to you in Kosova?
Having said that; your mission there is to help Kosova. If 95% of the population there is against something and you go there and disregard popular support you are not really helping. You are causing problems. That's what I meant earlier in my posts. Not only you cannot achieve anything with 200-300 EULEX policemen; but even if you had tens of thousands of them you would not be able to achieve anything if you lack popular support or at least a tacit agreement from the population.

For anything there to get results you need Albanian cooperation; whether you like it or not. It doesn't matter that some of you are biased against them. Fact of the matter is that nothing productive will be achieved without cooperation from the Albanian side.

P.S What makes you believe that the US would in any case go against the population of Kosova. As things stand now; it doesn't take a genius to figure out (whether we are talking about EULEX, UNMIK etc.) that whenever Serbia is involved over issues regarding Kosova; no matter who is in the government, Thaci, Haradinaj, Ceku or Surroi, will have the backing of the entire population not to implement something that hinders Kosova in anyway and saves Serbia's face.

don't you love it! Read the article the agreement proposed is for cooperation on organized crime that moves across the border.
Ivanovic portrays it as if Serbian police will have some function in Kosovo. Simply not true.
It would be interesting to hear from EULEX exactly what is happening.

Leave your defending positions for a while and think about this logically for a moment. What are the real chances of any of this being relevant if Albanians do not agree. As a matter of fact the chances of anything in Kosova happening without the agreement of Albanians are almost zero. Take only UMNIK as an example. Nothing can be implemented on the ground without the will of the Albanians. If any of you are so foolish to believe otherwise then you maybe are a couch potato from Belgrade.

P.S Jason what will those 200-300 EULEX cop be able to do without their Albanian partners aside from visiting online blogs?

Serbia's Attitude: I have no control over Kosova or in Kosova so I will sign, talk, with anyone there BUT the Kosovars. :)

Does anyone know the significance of this protocol? Remember 6 points?

Nobody is asking them to leave. They should be there in my opinion at least for another 2 decades. However you're missing the point. What can 200-300 EULEX cops do if 2 million do not want to cooperate. For anything to actually work in Kosova, Albanian cooperation is a must; if not that at least tacit agreement.

I love to see the Serbian camp comments here.

They understand all international missions in Kosova as an extended hand of Belgrade in Kosova.

I just can't believe that you are so naive to believe that EU or US will do your dirty job and oppress Kosovars since you are not able to do it anymore.

"Of course without Prishtina's agreement , your agreement with EULEX will be nothing but a piece of toilet paper.
(Kosova-USA, 16 August 2009 11:27)"

Really? How so? Because apparently EULEX doesn't seem to think this, and probably convinced (bribed) Hash and the rest that this is the way forward. Can you provide any tangible evidence that justifies EULEX needing the agreement of a government that can't assert authority large parts of its "country", or do you just feel the need to flex your vocal chords because your own side has been apparently pwned?

I'm loving this. Just because Prishtina cries foul about this agreement, Belgrade spins as a great success. In fact, Belgrade is being forced by the EU to sign away his own fanthom authority over Kosovo. EULEX cooperation was one of the main conditions for the White Schengen agreement and Serbia has had no choice. Prishtna knows the real score, it knows that it benefits from this. They've probably worked out that it's worth giving Belgrade a Phyric PR victory in exchange for the real one. And don't be fooled, the Serbian government knows this too.

Johny,

Those 200-300 cops can do as they please because they will be allowed to do so by the Kosovo Albanians. Don't forget that as a result of independence recognition, the international community now has the upper hand and they will be granted permission to anything by the Albanians in order for their support to continue. Do not have any illusions of true independence. They don't exist and never will. The international presence is not leaving, period.

Kosova-USA wrote,

Oh please Jason, I know the eulex mission and all about that particular department.
Aren't you lucky you got the job, becasue there was nothing waiting for back home in USA, since you already started your new life including your new family in ZB.

Well Jason, looks like Kosova-USA has you all figured out. You had no prospects in America so you grabbed the next best thing, "Kosova". In his mind you only have opportunities in his land of illusions. He seems to know all just by looking into his computer like it was a crystal ball.

I wish I had such powers.

Jokes aside, I can only hope that this agreement will bear some fruit on who is killing the Serbs in Kosovo.
So far EULEX has been pretty useless when it comes to arresting people who have been terrorizing and killing Serbs there. Good at letting proven terrorists out of prison but no good at anything else.

Could this be because it is not politically correct to accuse Albanians of anything?

P.S Jason what will those 200-300 EULEX cop be able to do without their Albanian partners aside from visiting online blogs?
(johny, 16 August 2009 19:41)

Quite a bit, actually. We can conduct our own investigations without Pristina's help. We can work with police from Serbia and Bulgaria to stop smuggling done by criminals INCLUDING Albanian ones. Furthermore, in case you did not know, the US decides what does and does not happen in Kosovo, so if Washington wants to partner with MUP, it happens. Living in the US you should know that one. Our first target: Haradinaj:)

while "kosovo-usa"´s comment is only about toilet-articles - whether he knows something about that we do not know - the other writer who calls himself "USA" is quite right:

the internationals, led by the US-occupation-troops, are only using the Albanians in order to keep their own foot in the southern balkans.

as long as the Albanians dream of greater Albania and of being the descendants of the illyrians they will not realize how they are being duped.

but that´s only a question of time, the livingstandard will very likely rise there too, and then sooner or later the Albanians will finally start to think instead of dreaming around...

Serbia will be ready.

let´s just see what future brings...

Re your named criminal, well be honest, look at yourselves in a mirror and swear on your children's heads (if you have any) that this guy is a saint heroe, but don't forget to cross your fingers behind your back while doing it!
(The Swiss, 17 August 2009 23:11)

Don't know if that was addressed to me. No need to do what you say. In case you have noticed my posts I haven't claimed for anyone to be a saint be him in Prishtina or in Belgrade. There are no saints ( I am religon-less by the way; I don't believe in fairy tales such as saints).
I however can always point out that the Serbs that are wanted by the Hague are hidden from international justice by Serbia's government while those Albanian that Hague wanted to judge volunteered. Have yet to hear about one that hid.

Hardly surprising to see the ultra nationalist against anything that will eventually help to clean this black hole, irrespective whether it's callrd Eulex, Unmik, COE, Marty etc.., they think that since they got an illegal UDI they became the center of the world and can spit on everybody's face!

-I have no idea on earth what in the heck this means... can anyone explain please?
(Jason, 16 August 2009 22:06)

Whatch out Jason, he might have track you down on google earther form his office in NY...

"Aren't you lucky you got the job, becasue there was nothing waiting for back home in USA, since you already started your new life including your new family in ZB."

-I have no idea on earth what in the heck this means... can anyone explain please?

Hmm, I wonder if this is the first step to getting MUP back into the North and other parts of our province? Watch this space. ;)

It has long been alleged that many of the criminals running free in the province are members of the KPS so this could be the start to weeding them out.

I can understand EULEX having some independence in policing mattera and if we are honest for a second, quite a high proportion of the provincial population have difficulties grasping the "rule of law" concept. Making them understand is a step in the right direction.

-I have no idea on earth what in the heck this means... can anyone explain please?
(Jason, 16 August 2009 22:06)

Whatch out Jason, he might have track you down on google earther form his office in NY...
(The Swiss, 16 August 2009 23:29)
....

No need to have google earth installed on your PC, you should come in Kosovo and everything will be clear. EULEX=UNMIK.

Our first target: Haradinaj:)
(Jason, 16 August 2009 22:14)
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Ouch! Now are these people going to bite the hand that feeds them?

I can sense some undercurrents brewing and I wouldn't like to be an ethnic Albanian "politician" with criminal links.

To Kosova-USA:
There must be something that really hurts you in Jason’s comments when you started with personal insinuations. Could it be the truth? I would recommend that you control yourself in the future, because that kind of reaction is exactly what people think about first when they think about Albanians. I don’t have to explain the rest of the picture in their heads and the damage it will do to you in the long run, do I?

EULEX are intent on enforcing the US drafted 'Ahtisaari plan'.
They are ignoring and even denigrating the UN.
EULEX will continue to rid Kosovo i Metohija of all Serbs and Roma and will then flaunt the new multi-ethnic 'Kosova' comprising Albanians, Ashkhali, Bosniaks, Turks and 'Egyptians'.

God help them!

MB,Ireland

'he might have track you down on google earther form his office in NY..'

i gather our albanian friend is in kosovo and he has no office because it went to someone with a decolletage :)) but i'm frequently wrong ;)
anyway i prefer an honest albanian to a dishonest troll

'They are ignoring and even denigrating the UN.
EULEX will continue to rid Kosovo i Metohija of all Serbs and Roma'

MB, excellent post. its just that they dont get rid of serbs, they sit back and watch their separatist proteges do it and wait for it to finish. some of them speak with forked tongues depending on what time of day it is and in what office they're in. and they speak about core issues for my nation such as my country's sovereign internationally recognised borders.

mospyt you are very right. however you lose sight of the fact we're talking not about serbia that agrees to these filthy games but about one government and on the way out at that. take that into consideration. and also, that we also know.
it wouldnt hurt either to define battle and war. we win some lose some but since kosovo froze in frozen conflict with illegal secession attempt the war goes on.

@ Johny

Swiss guy hold your horses there. You're too impulsive for some strange reason. Some of us have families there and do not show as impulsive of a behaviour as you are showing.

commented on this already many times, so make some research and you'll have the answer.
Re your named criminal, well be honest, look at yourselves in a mirror and swear on your children's heads (if you have any) that this guy is a saint heroe, but don't forget to cross your fingers behind your back while doing it!

Johny,

My point is that the Albanian government in Kosovo will dictate to its citizens that abiding by ALL international request is a must in order to maintain support for "the cause." If the population does not wish to abide by these rules, then there will be dissent within the ranks. Lose-Lose!

Furthermore, in case you did not know, the US decides what does and does not happen in Kosovo, so if Washington wants to partner with MUP, it happens. Living in the US you should know that one. Our first target: Haradinaj:)

i had a laugh at that:haradinaj is a product of who you said.albanian population has already juged him a) for the war period(total respect as it appeared during his hague process) and b)as a post war politiian and did not elected his men!
so do you really think we need you?
A H ,yes,we do to have haradinaj connections with the karic throught eqrel lukajexplained to some haradinaj supporters,we will then better understand why Berisha(an old friend of the karic during petrol embargo with serbia!) needed to support him and sign(he too!) an agrement with haradinaj...
We do wait for your next move,as haradinaj case is concerned!(do you really think that people in kosovo do not know BETTER than you things?)