Six years on, Goraždevac killers still at large

Great job, KPS and UNMIK. I see that you can magically identify a Serbian returnee "war criminal" 10 years after the alleged crime (committed with a bulldozer against an empty building) yet you cannot solve the murder of the elderly Serbian couple near Gnjilane, or this murder of children, or numerous other crimes. This is disgusting.

Then UNMIK police chief Stefan Feller stated after the crime that he would "turn every stone to find the child killers".

Either there are too many stones or they are too big...

Really? What are "modern times," do the 1990's count? Enough with hyperbole, they are brutal murders but hyperbole doesn't help Serbia.
(aRTA, 13 August 2009 10:49)

Where is Your KPS?? Where are albanian murders?? Mayby in prison?? No - they living free and laughing, because they know, that their friends from KPS will doing NOTHING.

Just shows you, one law for the Serbs, none for the KLA.

But hey! the KLA get to run the show so they set the rules. What a marvellous democracy 'kosova' is. The Serbs are the best protected minority in the universe.

"The terrorist attack on children in Goraždevac six years ago was an ethnically motivated crime, unprecedented anywhere in Europe in modern times,"

Really? What are "modern times," do the 1990's count? Enough with hyperbole, they are brutal murders but hyperbole doesn't help Serbia.
(aRTA, 13 August 2009 10:49) "

This comment displays a singular lack of compassion & humanity which is seen all too often here.

'aRTA', the quote is about kids shot in cold blood, not in the context of a war, but in what is supposed to be 'peace-time Europe'.

Kindly cite just where in Europe kids get gunned down just because they are of a particular ethnicity.

No idea? Not even in Serbia?

Just in Kosovo... where, and I'll use your K-albanian spokesman's own words:

“There is no doubt that all those familiar with the perpetrator of the crime have decided by now not to speak about it”.

Perhaps you don't want to speak about the topic either - would explain why you would come out so quickly with a comment designed to deflect attention.

This is in domain of science fiction: "state" run terrorism supported with the "blind eye""of International Organizations on the ground.

Pieter Feith and Eulex are keeping themselves busy filing charges against Ivanovic as long as the murderers of Serbian kids and elderly family Petkovic are walking free!?

I really do not see a single reason why Serbian authorities do continue any contact with Eulex and International Organizations on the ground before this cases are resolved.
Full protection of Serbian minority in Kosovo is the bottom line!
If that does not exist in full then seizing any contacts and introducing the full Serbian control in the areas with predominant Serbian population is the must and imperative for Serbian Government.

90 bullets shot on Serbian kids are not much more then enough of solid evidence to conduct successful investigation and find the murderers?
If Serbian Government accepts this internationally sponsored bully then there is not much to be expected for the security and prosper of Serbian community in Kosovo!

Kosova-USA:
> How do you know that there were 90 bullets shot at kids?

Was in the article. Read it? 2 kids were killed & 6 injured whilst swimming in a river. A machine gun was used. And they probably found the spent cartridges.

Do the words 'machine gun' mean anything to you?

> I will leave it at that, but I will tell you were to look for answers. Go and talk to parents of those kids and you will find the truth, but make sure you tell them that you don't work for Serbian MUP, becasue they will be scared to open up to you.

So the MUPpets did it? That's your 'answer'?

Funny how whenever something nasty happens to serbs, your excuse is usually the along the same lines.

Here's a little something for you to read: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=08&dd=14&nav_id=52696

Seems the parents of these kids are pretty emphatic that they know who it was who did the shooting: "The fathers of the two murdered boys called on KFOR and the police yesterday to find the murderers, adding that the identity of the killers was common knowledge."

Perhaps you'd like to go to themself & explain your theories.

Or perhaps not.

> I wrotte a coment with facts but was not posted.
You mean like the above...


""This comment displays a singular lack of compassion & humanity which is seen all too often here"
A saying in America "listen to the pot call the kettle black"
(doodah, 13 August 2009 14:23) "

Another saying is 'put your money where your mouth is'.

No comments from frisco today.

These are hard times for Serbs is Kosmet. Serbs are being brutally murdered in cold blood by albanian terrorists. nato occupiers go home!

Rest in peace. Like i said before war crimes never go away. we'll get them if it takes a lifetime.
and so will mr nato who's down there today go and pay his respects? hm?
as for albanians the smartest thing to do on a day like this is to bow down your heads in respect for the dead.
denial makes you look worse. why sign your name under something done by killers?
And for the mup obsessed albanian fella who doesnt know who saved five albanian children in podujevo when paramilis went crazy.
I dont know what you're trolling about. albanians killed those kids on bistrica and it was dumb luck that there wasnt huge massacre and many more killed. Mup is very popular and trusted by serbs in kosovo. many of our commanders including top lelvel if not most are kosovo serbs. little known fact? i dont know. anyway do the decent thing if you're up to it and dont troll a topic like this. take care.

"No comments from frisco today.
(Zoran, 13 August 2009 15:27)"

And the expected denial from aRTA and Kosova-USA.

Adrian Gashi

Albanians are not the ones who have to live under NATO protection. How can Serbs reach out when they are harrassed and in some cases killed just for being Serb?

"The terrorist attack on children in Goraždevac six years ago was an ethnically motivated crime, unprecedented anywhere in Europe in modern times,"

Really? What are "modern times," do the 1990's count? Enough with hyperbole, they are brutal murders but hyperbole doesn't help Serbia.

Roberto, the only thing I am sure of about you is that you have nothing better to do with your free time in San Fran. My excuse as an American to be here writing is that I live in Kosovoska Mitrovica. If you are not Albanian, I think your interest in this forum lies in boredom.


Thank You


Jason

Hearing some Albanians and their cronies here say things like BIA or MUP were behind this shows the lack of intellect of these trolls. Thankfully most Albanians take it for what it was - a tragedy.

I certainly would like to know from this guy named Bogdan Bukumirić about his daddy's occupation during the war in Kosova, was his daddy one of the criminals that commited massacres on unarmed civilians in the villages around the city of Peja?. Young man I urge you not to wear that stupid shirt if you plan to go to Kosova because you might end up dead. Albanians still have horrible memories from you people which will never be forgoten and that's why you have to think at least twice before you make a decision.
KPS should start an ivestigation for those two serb teenagers once serbia starts to return over 2000 dead Albanian bodies to Kosova. I wonder how serbs sleep in Belgrade knowing that there are mass graves around the city. They don't care do they?.
(Nelli_Canada, 14 August 2009 05:30)

So wearing a shirt can get one killed in tolerant Kosovo? I get some stares but not much more when I wear my Kosovo Je Srbija shirt or my Chetnik shirt around here. Bought them in n. Mitrovica I did and no one can tell me not to wear it. They would probably be upset to know I am an American though...

This sick and horiffic crime makes my stomach turn. There's little more I feel like saying other than deepest condolensces to the families and to express some hope, however vain, that Eulex and the K Albanian authorities may eventually get some justice done.

There is no single evidence that links Albanians to this crime, the rest is Serbian propaganda.
(Olf, 13 August 2009 17:03)

The article says:

"The Serb enclave children were gunned down with fire from automatic rifles. The shooting came from the direction of the ethnic-Albanian village of Zahač, witnesses said."

Islami urges Albania to allow CoE investigation
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/newsbriefs/setimes/newsbriefs/2009/08/13/nb-09

TIRANA, Albania -- Investigators from the Council of Europe (CoE) must be allowed to visit a house in Ripa where Serbia claims members of the Kosovo Liberation Army harvested organs from Serb civilians and prisoners of war years ago, says Kastriot Islami. The opposition representative in Albania's delegation to the Council of Europe (CoE), spoke out on Wednesday (August 12th) after his government said the CoE lacks a mandate to investigate the so-called "yellow house". Islami, a member of the opposition Socialist Party who served as foreign minister between 2003 and 2005, says Albania, as member of the CoE, should respect Strasbourg's decision to launch the probe. Earlier this week, a CoE delegation led by Special Rapporteur Dick Marty was turned away from the house by village residents who blocked its entrance for hours. The delegation ended up returning to Tirana. (Gazetatema - 13/08/09; Makfax - 12/08/09)

To the Non Albanian supporters who support the K-Albs i would suggest this experiment.
Go down to Pristina or anywhere in Kosovo and ask a K-Alb a question in Serb and let's see the result!
Just watched a documentary by a Canadian director called Kosovo: Can you Imagine?
It's sickening to watch, desigrated graves, Serbs living in shipping containers surviving on donations from our brothers (Greek Soldiers).
They Serbs are treated like animals.
Can't wait for the day when the dog bites his Master's hand, what are you going to do then??

90 bullets shot on Serbian kids are not much more then enough of solid evidence to conduct successful investigation and find the murderers?
If Serbian Government accepts this internationally sponsored bully then there is not much to be expected for the security and prosper of Serbian community in Kosovo!
(dean van der serbia, 13 August 2009 12:47)

How do you know that there were 90 bullets shot at kids?
I wrotte a coment with facts but was not posted. I will leave it at that, but I will tell you were to look for answers. Go and talk to parents of those kids and you will find the truth, but make sure you tell them that you don't work for Serbian MUP, becasue they will be scared to open up to you.

Kosovo is a lawless province. It's time for EULEX to rename to NOLEX.

""Kindly cite just where in Europe kids get gunned down just because they are of a particular ethnicity. "

Google "Lukic brothers"
(aRTA, 13 August 2009 19:00) "

Curiously enough you didn't cite the context in which the question in the quote was asked when you answered it.

Here it is again:
"'aRTA', the quote is about kids shot in cold blood, not in the context of a war, but in what is supposed to be 'peace-time Europe'.

Kindly cite just where in Europe kids get gunned down just because they are of a particular ethnicity. "

Lukic brothers were convicted & sentenced for life for crimes committed in the civil war in 92-93 as they should've been.

Situation then is hardly what I'd describe as 'peace-time Europe'.

But then you knew that didn't you.

Apart from Dum Tuc's comments I find that Albanians here have not disappointed again. True to their form.

So many cold and unsypathetic comments coming. These were children for God's sake. Does that not mean anything to anyone?

Here is what I find disturbing.

as to the phenomenon wherein every time such an event happens or is memorialized a fresh new wave of hatred is launced against the OTHer (here, almost always the dreaded albanians) i find that truly revolting and offensive.

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 13 August 2009 22:15)

It's strange that you haven't described the crime as revolting and offensive, but you describe people reacting to this crime as such.
What do you expect when we hear more Serbs (especially children) have been killed? Do you expect we thank the Albanians for this or condemn them? This is something you should've done in your post instead of lashing out at people who react in the only way there is to react against the guilty.

Olf, all that killings of Serbs that happend in past 10 years and terror brought to them by Albanians is not secret to anyone (maybe to people like who cant stand the truth). You cant deny facts, but make yourself look silly! No polar bears living in Kosmet story works.

. Young man I urge you not to wear that stupid shirt if you plan to go to Kosova because you might end up dead.

Nelli, since when telling the truth is a crime or stupid?

You just can't handle the truth nor can your brothers in Kosovo, so they have to react with violence.

roberto,

First, you need to stop being a self-proclaimed martyr. No one is "attacking" you on this site as you claim. I and a number of others are "criticizing" you for your one-sided views on a number of issues that come off as extremely hypocritical and egotistical. You paint yourself as an unjust victim by writing "if all of the S nationalist posters here utterly discount everything i say [...] then how could any of them POSSibly care what i have to say about anything?"

-- To be honest, I'm not sure a lot of people really "care" about what you write any more than they "care" about what other people write when they try to portray themselves as objective and above the fray of nationalism, yet still lump entire ethnic groups in a set of stereotypes. You may think you're trying to write objectively here, but it's painfully obvious you have an apparent bias. That's your right and opinion, and I'm not here to critique that. I'm only here to point out what I and others see are perennial inconsistencies in your arguments. If pointing that out offends you to the point where you can only refer to us as "nationalists", that's an unfortunate feature of your personal character. So, we don’t really regard you as an authority figure. We just note the hypocrisy hidden beneath the text.

Second, you should come to a better understanding of who is a "nationalist" on this site and who isn't. It's easy for you to claim all your detractors are nothing more than "s nationalists" because you can then classify them as beneath you and not worthy of consideration that they have any valid arguments. Are there nationalists on this site? Without question, and they make up both sides and are more than Serbs and Albanians. Can things get personal? Absolutely. Are comments made here that belie all forms of rational thought? Too many for my taste. But being critical of the other side and providing a frame of thought that still takes one's own side does not constitute "nationalism".

Third, you are not all knowing. You refer to yourself as an "outsider" who apparently thinks they are doing the rest of us a favor by trying to inform us of things we would never have known had you not posted your thoughts. As I've said in the past, I find myself agreeing with your ideas in theory, but for reasons that are only your own you feel the need to arbitrarily apply them to certain scenarios only. That you castigate a number of us for being "Serbian nationalists" while referring to Albanians as simply your "colleagues" already implies a bias you think you don’t have. If you can’t see the apparent nationalism from your own “colleagues” you’re not thinking objectively, and that's a primary reason why a number of us can't take you or what you say seriously.

You may honestly think you’re above the fray, and you may honestly think the criticisms you receive is a Cross you must nobly bear in order to fight for what you feel to be the truth. But I think it’s safe to say a number of us think you just come across as an arrogant blowhard with impeccable grammar.

Hopefully you’ll take this to heart and not feel the need to chalk it up to another comment from a “s nationalist” that you can add to some conceptual badge of honor.

Sorry to point out the obvious to the Serb camp in here, but the best way for Serbs in Kosova to improve their conditions and their security, is to start building bridges with their Albanian neighbors. You can't expect empathy with the kind of middle-finger-in-your-face attitude towards the majority in the midst of which you live. In every country, in every place on earth, the Police and the authorities can only do so much to protect every single individual, and if you don't build friendships with people around you, you'll always be on your own.
I sincerely hope that the killers of these children are caught soon.

My thoughts for the parents.

""No comments from frisco today.
(Zoran, 13 August 2009 15:27)"

And the expected denial from aRTA and Kosova-USA.
(Mike, 13 August 2009 17:38) "


all they are capable of doing is attacking Serbs and everything serbian while at the same time speaking of human dignity and human rights...

do they really think anyone believes them?

as for these horrible crimes against bathing children - they will held accountable... sooner or later.

if the temporary k-albanian "security"-actors can´t do it, someone else will do it for them.

but, they aren´t sovereign anyway, so why thinking about that.

those cowards who shot at bathing children with their automatics will certainly thing that they are albanian "freedom-fighter" or even "heroes"...

in the end, they are simply a shame for the albanian nation, and of course with them also those who admire these cowards...

'I wear my Kosovo Je Srbija shirt or my Chetnik shirt around here'

so if you ever cross to side of the line we'll know its you :) state your rank, name and internet mission, pal :))

"Another saying is 'put your money where your mouth is'
Excellent saying so Does that mean the victims family can expect a check soon, or do you plan to continue to utilize their misery for your own rhetorical agenda for the "cause" ?
(pss, 13 August 2009 23:47) "

Pardon me for being just a tad outraged over some of the comments made by some of your compatriots above such as 'Kosova-USA' & 'aRTA'. Comments to which your little tirade would apply far more accurately.

And my 'cause' as you put it is to refute comments that I regard as either erroneous, misleading or blatantly false - including in the past, yours - in all 3 categories.

But touching to see your concern for the victims family and their suffering - no doubt your lack of any condemnation regarding 'incidents' like this one are an oversight.

Afterall, swimming kids get machine-gunned in peaceful places all over the world, not just serbian kids in Kosovo..

Let's see now, where are some of those places?
..think you'll have to help me out here 'pss'...
..can't seem to recall any.

from the house by village residents who blocked its entrance for hours. The delegation ended up returning to Tirana. (Gazetatema - 13/08/09; Makfax - 12/08/09)
(Danny, 13 August 2009 19:01)

thanks Danny to remind some trolls around what the COE is and what Strasbourg means in terms of human rights!

Forza Dick Marty

Mike,

Thank you for taking the time to post your comments.

Smile, I have a few more of us that have overcome the brainwashing Americans get before coming to Kosovo... Just let us know when the recruitment drive will be:))

There’s a difference between not caring about what someone thinks and not being able to handle it.
(BH_NYC, 15 August 2009 11:59)

Sort of like Nelli from Canada.

Actually most non Serbs here back up the Serbs. It is only the Albanians and Bosnian Muslims who back the Albanians, so who are these other nationals you are talking about?

"Kindly cite just where in Europe kids get gunned down just because they are of a particular ethnicity. "

Google "Lukic brothers"

"This comment displays a singular lack of compassion & humanity which is seen all too often here"
A saying in America "listen to the pot call the kettle black"

Don't get me started on how many Albanian 19 year old kids got brutally killed by the Serbian police..

Jason. you wouldn't be selling any bridges in KM by any chance? :))

There is no single evidence that links Albanians to this crime, the rest is Serbian propaganda. It could have been anyone. Incidentely, 13 Aug 2003, was the day of arrival of new SRSG, Harry Holkeri. Anytime that any high profile figure came to KS.i.e.Solana, something happened to K-Serbs, is maybe BIA somewhere in this picture.
Condolences to the families of the victims.

>>No comments from frisco today...>>

dang, i am really sorry, Zoran, that my computer was unusable until now.

i really cannot understand something: if all of the S nationalist posters here utterly discount everything i say, including where i live (!?) then how could any of them POSSibly care what i have to say about anything? am i the only person here who pushes for Human Rights? am i the only american? the only jew? it is all very bizarre.

but i do suspect -- and i really mean this -- that when i write that the human rights ngo's, sonia, natasa, etc, represent the sleepy conscience of serbia, that somehow hits a nerve with SOME of our serbian posters here. as it should. because they read the extreme nationalist and vicious postings of their country people day after day, and whether they wish to admit it or not, they know that something is wrong in the state of denmark, so to speak.

am i right or wrong about that, zoran? for once, pls be honest. you really believe that the ranting nationalists represent the best of serbia??

i didn't think so.

anyway, all crimes ag. civilians (or anyone) are wrong, immoral, and need to be pursued and adjudicated to the fullest extent of the law.

i thought that eulex was supposed to be oh so helpful in this regard but they are awfully quiet from where i am sitting (as usual.) the lovely intl community.

and of course my condolences go out to the victims and their families. i don't give a hoot what yr ethnicity is, or whether you're from Mars.

as to the phenomenon wherein every time such an event happens or is memorialized a fresh new wave of hatred is launced against the OTHer (here, almost always the dreaded albanians) i find that truly revolting and offensive.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

MikeC,

Albanians in the north are in the same situation as the Serbs in the south, they are harased just the same, but of course that never makes it in B92 news. One would normally think that both (Alb in north, Serb in south) would be the most interested in creating friendships and bridges in the larger community in which they live. Grandstanding and arrogance hardly makes for good social skills.

Regards,

I certainly would like to know from this guy named Bogdan Bukumirić about his daddy's occupation during the war in Kosova, was his daddy one of the criminals that commited massacres on unarmed civilians in the villages around the city of Peja?. Young man I urge you not to wear that stupid shirt if you plan to go to Kosova because you might end up dead. Albanians still have horrible memories from you people which will never be forgoten and that's why you have to think at least twice before you make a decision.
KPS should start an ivestigation for those two serb teenagers once serbia starts to return over 2000 dead Albanian bodies to Kosova. I wonder how serbs sleep in Belgrade knowing that there are mass graves around the city. They don't care do they?.

I don't think it's a good idea to start blaming people when we have no evidence in our hands. That is unless some of you here know something we don't. Hateful rhetoric is not welcomed.

I was feeling really saddened reading the news...until I saw that picture.

Another saying is 'put your money where your mouth is'
Excellent saying so Does that mean the victims family can expect a check soon, or do you plan to continue to utilize their misery for your own rhetorical agenda for the "cause" ?

Our Serb 'international' friends are finding it to painful to read comments from non-Albanians aimed at S-nationalists. They invite them to give their opinion but if the answer isn’t what they expected, they start throwing tantrums. There’s a difference between not caring about what someone thinks and not being able to handle it.

Actually most non Serbs here back up the Serbs.
(Peggy, 15 August 2009 13:13)

The ones I was refferring to are as American as you are Australian. You don't need to read that many of their comments to establish where that school of thought comes from.

"The terrorist attack on children in Goraždevac six years ago was an ethnically motivated crime, unprecedented anywhere in Europe in modern times,"

Really? What are "modern times," do the 1990's count? Enough with hyperbole, they are brutal murders but hyperbole doesn't help Serbia.

90 bullets shot on Serbian kids are not much more then enough of solid evidence to conduct successful investigation and find the murderers?
If Serbian Government accepts this internationally sponsored bully then there is not much to be expected for the security and prosper of Serbian community in Kosovo!
(dean van der serbia, 13 August 2009 12:47)

How do you know that there were 90 bullets shot at kids?
I wrotte a coment with facts but was not posted. I will leave it at that, but I will tell you were to look for answers. Go and talk to parents of those kids and you will find the truth, but make sure you tell them that you don't work for Serbian MUP, becasue they will be scared to open up to you.

"This comment displays a singular lack of compassion & humanity which is seen all too often here"
A saying in America "listen to the pot call the kettle black"

There is no single evidence that links Albanians to this crime, the rest is Serbian propaganda. It could have been anyone. Incidentely, 13 Aug 2003, was the day of arrival of new SRSG, Harry Holkeri. Anytime that any high profile figure came to KS.i.e.Solana, something happened to K-Serbs, is maybe BIA somewhere in this picture.
Condolences to the families of the victims.

"Kindly cite just where in Europe kids get gunned down just because they are of a particular ethnicity. "

Google "Lukic brothers"

Sorry to point out the obvious to the Serb camp in here, but the best way for Serbs in Kosova to improve their conditions and their security, is to start building bridges with their Albanian neighbors. You can't expect empathy with the kind of middle-finger-in-your-face attitude towards the majority in the midst of which you live. In every country, in every place on earth, the Police and the authorities can only do so much to protect every single individual, and if you don't build friendships with people around you, you'll always be on your own.
I sincerely hope that the killers of these children are caught soon.

Don't get me started on how many Albanian 19 year old kids got brutally killed by the Serbian police..

I was feeling really saddened reading the news...until I saw that picture.

"The terrorist attack on children in Goraždevac six years ago was an ethnically motivated crime, unprecedented anywhere in Europe in modern times,"

Really? What are "modern times," do the 1990's count? Enough with hyperbole, they are brutal murders but hyperbole doesn't help Serbia.
(aRTA, 13 August 2009 10:49) "

This comment displays a singular lack of compassion & humanity which is seen all too often here.

'aRTA', the quote is about kids shot in cold blood, not in the context of a war, but in what is supposed to be 'peace-time Europe'.

Kindly cite just where in Europe kids get gunned down just because they are of a particular ethnicity.

No idea? Not even in Serbia?

Just in Kosovo... where, and I'll use your K-albanian spokesman's own words:

“There is no doubt that all those familiar with the perpetrator of the crime have decided by now not to speak about it”.

Perhaps you don't want to speak about the topic either - would explain why you would come out so quickly with a comment designed to deflect attention.

I certainly would like to know from this guy named Bogdan Bukumirić about his daddy's occupation during the war in Kosova, was his daddy one of the criminals that commited massacres on unarmed civilians in the villages around the city of Peja?. Young man I urge you not to wear that stupid shirt if you plan to go to Kosova because you might end up dead. Albanians still have horrible memories from you people which will never be forgoten and that's why you have to think at least twice before you make a decision.
KPS should start an ivestigation for those two serb teenagers once serbia starts to return over 2000 dead Albanian bodies to Kosova. I wonder how serbs sleep in Belgrade knowing that there are mass graves around the city. They don't care do they?.

Great job, KPS and UNMIK. I see that you can magically identify a Serbian returnee "war criminal" 10 years after the alleged crime (committed with a bulldozer against an empty building) yet you cannot solve the murder of the elderly Serbian couple near Gnjilane, or this murder of children, or numerous other crimes. This is disgusting.

>>No comments from frisco today...>>

dang, i am really sorry, Zoran, that my computer was unusable until now.

i really cannot understand something: if all of the S nationalist posters here utterly discount everything i say, including where i live (!?) then how could any of them POSSibly care what i have to say about anything? am i the only person here who pushes for Human Rights? am i the only american? the only jew? it is all very bizarre.

but i do suspect -- and i really mean this -- that when i write that the human rights ngo's, sonia, natasa, etc, represent the sleepy conscience of serbia, that somehow hits a nerve with SOME of our serbian posters here. as it should. because they read the extreme nationalist and vicious postings of their country people day after day, and whether they wish to admit it or not, they know that something is wrong in the state of denmark, so to speak.

am i right or wrong about that, zoran? for once, pls be honest. you really believe that the ranting nationalists represent the best of serbia??

i didn't think so.

anyway, all crimes ag. civilians (or anyone) are wrong, immoral, and need to be pursued and adjudicated to the fullest extent of the law.

i thought that eulex was supposed to be oh so helpful in this regard but they are awfully quiet from where i am sitting (as usual.) the lovely intl community.

and of course my condolences go out to the victims and their families. i don't give a hoot what yr ethnicity is, or whether you're from Mars.

as to the phenomenon wherein every time such an event happens or is memorialized a fresh new wave of hatred is launced against the OTHer (here, almost always the dreaded albanians) i find that truly revolting and offensive.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

Really? What are "modern times," do the 1990's count? Enough with hyperbole, they are brutal murders but hyperbole doesn't help Serbia.
(aRTA, 13 August 2009 10:49)

Where is Your KPS?? Where are albanian murders?? Mayby in prison?? No - they living free and laughing, because they know, that their friends from KPS will doing NOTHING.

This is in domain of science fiction: "state" run terrorism supported with the "blind eye""of International Organizations on the ground.

Pieter Feith and Eulex are keeping themselves busy filing charges against Ivanovic as long as the murderers of Serbian kids and elderly family Petkovic are walking free!?

I really do not see a single reason why Serbian authorities do continue any contact with Eulex and International Organizations on the ground before this cases are resolved.
Full protection of Serbian minority in Kosovo is the bottom line!
If that does not exist in full then seizing any contacts and introducing the full Serbian control in the areas with predominant Serbian population is the must and imperative for Serbian Government.

90 bullets shot on Serbian kids are not much more then enough of solid evidence to conduct successful investigation and find the murderers?
If Serbian Government accepts this internationally sponsored bully then there is not much to be expected for the security and prosper of Serbian community in Kosovo!

Just shows you, one law for the Serbs, none for the KLA.

But hey! the KLA get to run the show so they set the rules. What a marvellous democracy 'kosova' is. The Serbs are the best protected minority in the universe.

I don't think it's a good idea to start blaming people when we have no evidence in our hands. That is unless some of you here know something we don't. Hateful rhetoric is not welcomed.

Then UNMIK police chief Stefan Feller stated after the crime that he would "turn every stone to find the child killers".

Either there are too many stones or they are too big...

Our Serb 'international' friends are finding it to painful to read comments from non-Albanians aimed at S-nationalists. They invite them to give their opinion but if the answer isn’t what they expected, they start throwing tantrums. There’s a difference between not caring about what someone thinks and not being able to handle it.

No comments from frisco today.

Adrian Gashi

Albanians are not the ones who have to live under NATO protection. How can Serbs reach out when they are harrassed and in some cases killed just for being Serb?

Actually most non Serbs here back up the Serbs.
(Peggy, 15 August 2009 13:13)

The ones I was refferring to are as American as you are Australian. You don't need to read that many of their comments to establish where that school of thought comes from.

These are hard times for Serbs is Kosmet. Serbs are being brutally murdered in cold blood by albanian terrorists. nato occupiers go home!

Kosovo is a lawless province. It's time for EULEX to rename to NOLEX.

"No comments from frisco today.
(Zoran, 13 August 2009 15:27)"

And the expected denial from aRTA and Kosova-USA.

Another saying is 'put your money where your mouth is'
Excellent saying so Does that mean the victims family can expect a check soon, or do you plan to continue to utilize their misery for your own rhetorical agenda for the "cause" ?

To the Non Albanian supporters who support the K-Albs i would suggest this experiment.
Go down to Pristina or anywhere in Kosovo and ask a K-Alb a question in Serb and let's see the result!
Just watched a documentary by a Canadian director called Kosovo: Can you Imagine?
It's sickening to watch, desigrated graves, Serbs living in shipping containers surviving on donations from our brothers (Greek Soldiers).
They Serbs are treated like animals.
Can't wait for the day when the dog bites his Master's hand, what are you going to do then??

Kosova-USA:
> How do you know that there were 90 bullets shot at kids?

Was in the article. Read it? 2 kids were killed & 6 injured whilst swimming in a river. A machine gun was used. And they probably found the spent cartridges.

Do the words 'machine gun' mean anything to you?

> I will leave it at that, but I will tell you were to look for answers. Go and talk to parents of those kids and you will find the truth, but make sure you tell them that you don't work for Serbian MUP, becasue they will be scared to open up to you.

So the MUPpets did it? That's your 'answer'?

Funny how whenever something nasty happens to serbs, your excuse is usually the along the same lines.

Here's a little something for you to read: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=08&dd=14&nav_id=52696

Seems the parents of these kids are pretty emphatic that they know who it was who did the shooting: "The fathers of the two murdered boys called on KFOR and the police yesterday to find the murderers, adding that the identity of the killers was common knowledge."

Perhaps you'd like to go to themself & explain your theories.

Or perhaps not.

> I wrotte a coment with facts but was not posted.
You mean like the above...


""This comment displays a singular lack of compassion & humanity which is seen all too often here"
A saying in America "listen to the pot call the kettle black"
(doodah, 13 August 2009 14:23) "

Another saying is 'put your money where your mouth is'.

MikeC,

Albanians in the north are in the same situation as the Serbs in the south, they are harased just the same, but of course that never makes it in B92 news. One would normally think that both (Alb in north, Serb in south) would be the most interested in creating friendships and bridges in the larger community in which they live. Grandstanding and arrogance hardly makes for good social skills.

Regards,

roberto,

First, you need to stop being a self-proclaimed martyr. No one is "attacking" you on this site as you claim. I and a number of others are "criticizing" you for your one-sided views on a number of issues that come off as extremely hypocritical and egotistical. You paint yourself as an unjust victim by writing "if all of the S nationalist posters here utterly discount everything i say [...] then how could any of them POSSibly care what i have to say about anything?"

-- To be honest, I'm not sure a lot of people really "care" about what you write any more than they "care" about what other people write when they try to portray themselves as objective and above the fray of nationalism, yet still lump entire ethnic groups in a set of stereotypes. You may think you're trying to write objectively here, but it's painfully obvious you have an apparent bias. That's your right and opinion, and I'm not here to critique that. I'm only here to point out what I and others see are perennial inconsistencies in your arguments. If pointing that out offends you to the point where you can only refer to us as "nationalists", that's an unfortunate feature of your personal character. So, we don’t really regard you as an authority figure. We just note the hypocrisy hidden beneath the text.

Second, you should come to a better understanding of who is a "nationalist" on this site and who isn't. It's easy for you to claim all your detractors are nothing more than "s nationalists" because you can then classify them as beneath you and not worthy of consideration that they have any valid arguments. Are there nationalists on this site? Without question, and they make up both sides and are more than Serbs and Albanians. Can things get personal? Absolutely. Are comments made here that belie all forms of rational thought? Too many for my taste. But being critical of the other side and providing a frame of thought that still takes one's own side does not constitute "nationalism".

Third, you are not all knowing. You refer to yourself as an "outsider" who apparently thinks they are doing the rest of us a favor by trying to inform us of things we would never have known had you not posted your thoughts. As I've said in the past, I find myself agreeing with your ideas in theory, but for reasons that are only your own you feel the need to arbitrarily apply them to certain scenarios only. That you castigate a number of us for being "Serbian nationalists" while referring to Albanians as simply your "colleagues" already implies a bias you think you don’t have. If you can’t see the apparent nationalism from your own “colleagues” you’re not thinking objectively, and that's a primary reason why a number of us can't take you or what you say seriously.

You may honestly think you’re above the fray, and you may honestly think the criticisms you receive is a Cross you must nobly bear in order to fight for what you feel to be the truth. But I think it’s safe to say a number of us think you just come across as an arrogant blowhard with impeccable grammar.

Hopefully you’ll take this to heart and not feel the need to chalk it up to another comment from a “s nationalist” that you can add to some conceptual badge of honor.

""Kindly cite just where in Europe kids get gunned down just because they are of a particular ethnicity. "

Google "Lukic brothers"
(aRTA, 13 August 2009 19:00) "

Curiously enough you didn't cite the context in which the question in the quote was asked when you answered it.

Here it is again:
"'aRTA', the quote is about kids shot in cold blood, not in the context of a war, but in what is supposed to be 'peace-time Europe'.

Kindly cite just where in Europe kids get gunned down just because they are of a particular ethnicity. "

Lukic brothers were convicted & sentenced for life for crimes committed in the civil war in 92-93 as they should've been.

Situation then is hardly what I'd describe as 'peace-time Europe'.

But then you knew that didn't you.

Hearing some Albanians and their cronies here say things like BIA or MUP were behind this shows the lack of intellect of these trolls. Thankfully most Albanians take it for what it was - a tragedy.

There’s a difference between not caring about what someone thinks and not being able to handle it.
(BH_NYC, 15 August 2009 11:59)

Sort of like Nelli from Canada.

Actually most non Serbs here back up the Serbs. It is only the Albanians and Bosnian Muslims who back the Albanians, so who are these other nationals you are talking about?

Jason. you wouldn't be selling any bridges in KM by any chance? :))

Rest in peace. Like i said before war crimes never go away. we'll get them if it takes a lifetime.
and so will mr nato who's down there today go and pay his respects? hm?
as for albanians the smartest thing to do on a day like this is to bow down your heads in respect for the dead.
denial makes you look worse. why sign your name under something done by killers?
And for the mup obsessed albanian fella who doesnt know who saved five albanian children in podujevo when paramilis went crazy.
I dont know what you're trolling about. albanians killed those kids on bistrica and it was dumb luck that there wasnt huge massacre and many more killed. Mup is very popular and trusted by serbs in kosovo. many of our commanders including top lelvel if not most are kosovo serbs. little known fact? i dont know. anyway do the decent thing if you're up to it and dont troll a topic like this. take care.

This sick and horiffic crime makes my stomach turn. There's little more I feel like saying other than deepest condolensces to the families and to express some hope, however vain, that Eulex and the K Albanian authorities may eventually get some justice done.

Islami urges Albania to allow CoE investigation
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/newsbriefs/setimes/newsbriefs/2009/08/13/nb-09

TIRANA, Albania -- Investigators from the Council of Europe (CoE) must be allowed to visit a house in Ripa where Serbia claims members of the Kosovo Liberation Army harvested organs from Serb civilians and prisoners of war years ago, says Kastriot Islami. The opposition representative in Albania's delegation to the Council of Europe (CoE), spoke out on Wednesday (August 12th) after his government said the CoE lacks a mandate to investigate the so-called "yellow house". Islami, a member of the opposition Socialist Party who served as foreign minister between 2003 and 2005, says Albania, as member of the CoE, should respect Strasbourg's decision to launch the probe. Earlier this week, a CoE delegation led by Special Rapporteur Dick Marty was turned away from the house by village residents who blocked its entrance for hours. The delegation ended up returning to Tirana. (Gazetatema - 13/08/09; Makfax - 12/08/09)

from the house by village residents who blocked its entrance for hours. The delegation ended up returning to Tirana. (Gazetatema - 13/08/09; Makfax - 12/08/09)
(Danny, 13 August 2009 19:01)

thanks Danny to remind some trolls around what the COE is and what Strasbourg means in terms of human rights!

Forza Dick Marty

""No comments from frisco today.
(Zoran, 13 August 2009 15:27)"

And the expected denial from aRTA and Kosova-USA.
(Mike, 13 August 2009 17:38) "


all they are capable of doing is attacking Serbs and everything serbian while at the same time speaking of human dignity and human rights...

do they really think anyone believes them?

as for these horrible crimes against bathing children - they will held accountable... sooner or later.

if the temporary k-albanian "security"-actors can´t do it, someone else will do it for them.

but, they aren´t sovereign anyway, so why thinking about that.

those cowards who shot at bathing children with their automatics will certainly thing that they are albanian "freedom-fighter" or even "heroes"...

in the end, they are simply a shame for the albanian nation, and of course with them also those who admire these cowards...

Roberto, the only thing I am sure of about you is that you have nothing better to do with your free time in San Fran. My excuse as an American to be here writing is that I live in Kosovoska Mitrovica. If you are not Albanian, I think your interest in this forum lies in boredom.


Thank You


Jason

Mike,

Thank you for taking the time to post your comments.

Smile, I have a few more of us that have overcome the brainwashing Americans get before coming to Kosovo... Just let us know when the recruitment drive will be:))

My thoughts for the parents.

Apart from Dum Tuc's comments I find that Albanians here have not disappointed again. True to their form.

So many cold and unsypathetic comments coming. These were children for God's sake. Does that not mean anything to anyone?

Here is what I find disturbing.

as to the phenomenon wherein every time such an event happens or is memorialized a fresh new wave of hatred is launced against the OTHer (here, almost always the dreaded albanians) i find that truly revolting and offensive.

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 13 August 2009 22:15)

It's strange that you haven't described the crime as revolting and offensive, but you describe people reacting to this crime as such.
What do you expect when we hear more Serbs (especially children) have been killed? Do you expect we thank the Albanians for this or condemn them? This is something you should've done in your post instead of lashing out at people who react in the only way there is to react against the guilty.

There is no single evidence that links Albanians to this crime, the rest is Serbian propaganda.
(Olf, 13 August 2009 17:03)

The article says:

"The Serb enclave children were gunned down with fire from automatic rifles. The shooting came from the direction of the ethnic-Albanian village of Zahač, witnesses said."

Olf, all that killings of Serbs that happend in past 10 years and terror brought to them by Albanians is not secret to anyone (maybe to people like who cant stand the truth). You cant deny facts, but make yourself look silly! No polar bears living in Kosmet story works.

I certainly would like to know from this guy named Bogdan Bukumirić about his daddy's occupation during the war in Kosova, was his daddy one of the criminals that commited massacres on unarmed civilians in the villages around the city of Peja?. Young man I urge you not to wear that stupid shirt if you plan to go to Kosova because you might end up dead. Albanians still have horrible memories from you people which will never be forgoten and that's why you have to think at least twice before you make a decision.
KPS should start an ivestigation for those two serb teenagers once serbia starts to return over 2000 dead Albanian bodies to Kosova. I wonder how serbs sleep in Belgrade knowing that there are mass graves around the city. They don't care do they?.
(Nelli_Canada, 14 August 2009 05:30)

So wearing a shirt can get one killed in tolerant Kosovo? I get some stares but not much more when I wear my Kosovo Je Srbija shirt or my Chetnik shirt around here. Bought them in n. Mitrovica I did and no one can tell me not to wear it. They would probably be upset to know I am an American though...

. Young man I urge you not to wear that stupid shirt if you plan to go to Kosova because you might end up dead.

Nelli, since when telling the truth is a crime or stupid?

You just can't handle the truth nor can your brothers in Kosovo, so they have to react with violence.

'I wear my Kosovo Je Srbija shirt or my Chetnik shirt around here'

so if you ever cross to side of the line we'll know its you :) state your rank, name and internet mission, pal :))

"Another saying is 'put your money where your mouth is'
Excellent saying so Does that mean the victims family can expect a check soon, or do you plan to continue to utilize their misery for your own rhetorical agenda for the "cause" ?
(pss, 13 August 2009 23:47) "

Pardon me for being just a tad outraged over some of the comments made by some of your compatriots above such as 'Kosova-USA' & 'aRTA'. Comments to which your little tirade would apply far more accurately.

And my 'cause' as you put it is to refute comments that I regard as either erroneous, misleading or blatantly false - including in the past, yours - in all 3 categories.

But touching to see your concern for the victims family and their suffering - no doubt your lack of any condemnation regarding 'incidents' like this one are an oversight.

Afterall, swimming kids get machine-gunned in peaceful places all over the world, not just serbian kids in Kosovo..

Let's see now, where are some of those places?
..think you'll have to help me out here 'pss'...
..can't seem to recall any.