Kate wrote: "I can ask you the same question. Why did you pretend to negotiate when you were never going to accept anything less than independence?"
Independence of Kosovo was a done deal. You should know that because you seems to read a lot what is going on in Kosovo. If Kosovo for some reasons were not allowed to be an Independent country then pretty sure something was about to go down, so US and EU were not about to allow things to get messed up again.
I am tired of readin about History how Kosovo was a heart of Serbia or birth of Serbian Kingdom and so many more made up stories, or ever i they are true who cares, situation in the ground in 2009 is different story then it was on 13th century or whatever date you're claiming, so live up with it.
How come some people dont want to understand that the only way for Albanians from Kosovo, including myslef to live under Serbian regime is over our dead bodies. Are you willing to do something like that as you did in 1999?!
Peggy, once you get burned from someone or somthing you want NOTHING to do with it. So we Albanians in Kosovo want NOTHING to do with Serbia anymore, perdiod.
Peggy: "Serbs only 5% of the population? Are you kidding me?"
Nope, not kidding you. Data from the Statistical Office of Kosova:
"Albanians 92%, Serbs 5.3%, Other ethnic groups 2.7%"
"Kosovo IS is Serbia so Serbs are not a minority in their own country."
Ok, if as you say, Kosovo is Serbia, Albanians would make 20% of the population there. Is Albanian an official language there? NO!
But, in Kosova, which according to us is separate of Serbia, Serbs make only 5% of the population, and Serbian is still an official language.
See the difference?
Albanians did not "pretend" to negotiate, they negotiated in good faith and during the course of the negotiations they had to make hard and difficult concessions in many areas: Serbs were given a much bigger share of representation in parliament and government than their actual population percentages, veto rights over minority matters, Serbian as an official language even though Serbs are only 5% of the population, decentralization, extensive rights to their church - even expanding church territories over land owned by Albanians, no unification with Albania,
(Adrian Gashi)
Also Albanians during the negotiations have given up their legit right over catalonia,kashmir,patagonia,missouri
and many others.....
"Albanians did not "pretend" to negotiate, they negotiated in good faith and during the course of the negotiations they had to make hard and difficult concessions in many areas: Serbs were given a much bigger share of representation in parliament and government than their actual population percentages, veto rights over minority matters, Serbian as an official language even though Serbs are only 5% of the population, decentralization, extensive rights to their church - even expanding church territories over land owned by Albanians, no unification with Albania, the character of the new state etc etc. "
Serbs only 5% of the population? Are you kidding me?
Kosovo IS is Serbia so Serbs are not a minority in their own country. We have minorities clusters all over Melbourne in which those minoriteis are a majority but it still doesn't make it Greece, Italy or anything else but Australia and Australians are still the majority.
The language of any country is whatever that country is.
The government of that country is not made up of a certain minority but citizens of that country. People of Kosovo live in Serbia which means they are represented by people from Serbia not Albania and not anywhere else.
Your argument is so full of holes.
No unification with Albania? Give me a break. Should England allow unification to their citizens of other ethnicities to unite with that country?
Peggy: "Why did you pretend to negotiate when you were never going to accept anything less than independence? "
Albanians did not "pretend" to negotiate, they negotiated in good faith and during the course of the negotiations they had to make hard and difficult concessions in many areas: Serbs were given a much bigger share of representation in parliament and government than their actual population percentages, veto rights over minority matters, Serbian as an official language even though Serbs are only 5% of the population, decentralization, extensive rights to their church - even expanding church territories over land owned by Albanians, no unification with Albania, the character of the new state etc etc.
Serbs on the other hand didn't move an inch from their positions, they didn't even present any plan, demands or concrete proposals other than general and meaningless phrases such as "more than autonomy, less than independence", or referring to scenarios such as Aaland, HK, that had nothing in common with the realities in Kosova. It became painfully obvious that the Serb tactic was to stall and keep Kosova in limbo, however that was ruled as a non-option even before the negotiations.
One of the "Guiding Principles" that the Contact Group (Russia included) set out before the negotiations (Nov 2005), was that there was not going back to the status of pre-1999, so the inclusion of Kosova into Serbia was a non-option from the beginning. Russia was OK with that, up until the last moment when they reversed their position, to practically give Serbia a veto over the whole process. So the ones that pretended to negotiate, but had no intention to agree on anything, was Russia and Serbia.
Mr Lajcak should mind his own business. Slovakia should put its own house in order first, before lecturing the world. See the following article in 'The Economist' in which Slovakia is shown as prohibiting its Hungarian minority from speaking its mother tongue.
'He who lives in glass houses should not throw stones', says an old proverb.
The article also provides enough facts to the argument that Slovakia is against Kosova's independence for its own selfish reasons and not for any sense of international altruism.
Didn't Lajcak leave the balkans after doing his absolute best to help keep destroying bosnia? our savior from slovakia? and he, of all people, is telling us what is "political" vs what is legal for Kosova? He is just another nice european who is terribly ethically challenged.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 12 August 2009 20:11)
You obviously cannot see that but here you are coming on daily throwing your unconditional support behind Bosnian Muslims and Albanians and now saying "our" saviour in Bosnia. What has Bosnia got to do with this or you?
(Peggy, 12 August 2009 22:53)
Peggy,
I like that. It means I and many others here get to continually pick holes in his arguments.
As we all know America has the biggest influence on most countries in the world. This is why the bombing of Serbia in 1999 went ahead. It was not legal but the political will of the international comminity (Yes, America!) was there.
I don't support this but it is the reality!! The new world order is that if AMERICA decides something then it happens, legal or not!! The bombing of Serbia was the prescedent!
Not the first time that he hear this lazy agrument.
Kosova has so far been quite stable. People of Kosova including majority of Serbs have shown maturity and proven all those that predicted trouble wrong. Apart from attact in border crossing, killing of UNMIK police officer form Serbs extremists the rest of the year was quite and under the controll of Kosovo.
(Olf, 12 August 2009 21:38)
WRONG. I am not sure what nationality you are, Olf, but the past year was sure not stable for minorities living in Kosovo. I assume you do not work here or have access to the crime reports but some Albanians continue to terrorize the Serb, Roma, and (on occassion) the Bosniak minorities. Sure it is great here if you are Albanian and do not need a job, adequate water supply or electricity. Furthermore, the north is still Serbian controlled - and Pristina knows it. They cannot take control without... the very conflict predicted by those who argue against independence. So do not use Kosovo as a model for independence movements around the world. Ask pro-Albanian Tim Judah even. He just said in the news that the north is a frozen conflict of 10 years with little chance for integration.
Why Russia went on with negotiations for two years, and then all of a sudden decided to threaten a veto at the end? Why Russia, even accepted a process, where had there not been agreement by the sides, the UN envoy would impose a solution?
And what kind of agreement he expects, when one side is holding the other hostage, by not agreeing to anything other than restoring a situation that brought conflict in the first place?
(Adrian Gashi, 12 August 2009 22:32)
I can ask you the same question. Why did you pretend to negotiate when you were never going to accept anything less than independence?
Serbia has no intenetion on getting into a situation which brough the conflict. You brought the conflict by creating conditions for it. What did you want to achieve by murdering Serbian police?
How does Kosovo remaining part of Serbia provoke conflict and what do you see in Serbian government's actions which would provoke conflict?
In one sentence he's saying that:
"legalization of the process through international institutions, mainly the UN Security Council" is missing,
and then:
"it is hard to establish principles of legality when the UN Security Council acts in keeping with political interests of the countries that have the right to veto."
So, if the principles of legality are not there to begin with, what does he expect from Kosova? What fault is of Kosova anyway, if there are UNSC members - Russia - who would use the veto at the end, even though the result came from a process of which they were full decision-makers. This is nothing by utter hypocrisy. Why Russia went on with negotiations for two years, and then all of a sudden decided to threaten a veto at the end? Why Russia, even accepted a process, where had there not been agreement by the sides, the UN envoy would impose a solution?
And what kind of agreement he expects, when one side is holding the other hostage, by not agreeing to anything other than restoring a situation that brought conflict in the first place?
Didn't Lajcak leave the balkans after doing his absolute best to help keep destroying bosnia? our savior from slovakia? and he, of all people, is telling us what is "political" vs what is legal for Kosova? He is just another nice european who is terribly ethically challenged.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 12 August 2009 20:11)
You obviously cannot see that but here you are coming on daily throwing your unconditional support behind Bosnian Muslims and Albanians and now saying "our" saviour in Bosnia. What has Bosnia got to do with this or you?
Not the first time that he hear this lazy agrument.
Kosova has so far been quite stable. People of Kosova including majority of Serbs have shown maturity and proven all those that predicted trouble wrong. Apart from attact in border crossing, killing of UNMIK police officer form Serbs extremists the rest of the year was quite and under the controll of Kosovo.
I cant stand this. Albanians have a excuse for everything. just because you live in a country doesnt make it yours!!!!!!!!! Just because Turks live in Germany doesnt make it TURKEY.
Peter:
"Lajcak is just saying what everyone is thinking! This is political and not legal. In the end Kosovo will be independent because the political will is there from the international community! "
And just who is this "international community"?
When I hear that statement I can't help but laugh, because it's really just america but they include the whole world as if they represent everyone....american officials always use this term when speaking but in reality it's only a hand full of countries that support them (anglo saxons). They think the whole world belongs to them.
Trying hard to discredit anyone who doesn't agree with albanians. In that case look at Saudi Arabia who recognized Kosovo. A dictatorship worse than any other. How come you don't critisize them? Albanians are trying to steal territory that belongs to the Serbian nation and people. That's a fact!
It is very easy to sit in armchair and make a statement what right or wrong/legittimate or illegitimate.
I haven't made any search why the Hungarian minority ended up in Slovakia. Can someone enlight me?)))
Didn't Lajcak leave the balkans after doing his absolute best to help keep destroying bosnia? our savior from slovakia? and he, of all people, is telling us what is "political" vs what is legal for Kosova? He is just another nice european who is terribly ethically challenged.
I hope that Serbia's legal team for ICJ reads this Statement of Lajcak, or is already aware of it, because this two Elements are within the few most crucial to win our case at ICY - Serbia against "illegality" of Kosovo "international recognition".
Lajcak is just saying what everyone is thinking! This is political and not legal. In the end Kosovo will be independent because the political will is there from the international community!
This situation saddens me because Kosovo is legally a part of Serbia.
He is exactly right, and about chaos ensuing if this sort of path is taken against international law.
(kate, 12 August 2009 17:43)
Are you talking about South Ossetia? Other than that there is nothing else that could justify this claim. Perhaps Putin is also blaming his military campaign against Georgia on K-Albanians.
this is just the start - we'll be seeing plenty more "chaos" in the future as everyone starts fighting for less and less resources.kosovo was a trial run for the US. It'll attack other countries whose resources it wants.
When it's depleted Kosovo's resouces it'll leave Kosovo to the mercy of Serbia which no doubt will mean another large war. As the Albanians like to delude themselves that the NATO intervention was on humanitarian grounds it'll be a big shock when the US leaves after it's taken everything it wants.
I know the reason why Mr.Lajcak is not giving in!!!
That reason is 900.000 Hungarians living in Slovakia!!!
From my experience,the relationship between Slovakians and Hungarians in Slovakia is very similar to Serbs and Albanians in Kosova!
Two different nations who don't want to live together,but they had to!
If we are talking legal and not political how almost 1 million people(Hungarians)ended in the country called Slovakia and not Hungary!!!
If I can put the FM comments aside,again from my own experience,Slovakians are the best from Eastern Europe and I know giving more time and knowing the real situation,government of Slovakia will be more neutral in Kosova case!
"Kosovo's decision was based on political instead of legal criteria. Two elements were missing in the process: an agreement between Belgrade and Priština and legalization of the process through international institutions, mainly the UN Security Council."
He is exactly right, and about chaos ensuing if this sort of path is taken against international law.
"Kosovo's decision was based on political instead of legal criteria. Two elements were missing in the process: an agreement between Belgrade and Priština and legalization of the process through international institutions, mainly the UN Security Council."
He is exactly right, and about chaos ensuing if this sort of path is taken against international law.
I cant stand this. Albanians have a excuse for everything. just because you live in a country doesnt make it yours!!!!!!!!! Just because Turks live in Germany doesnt make it TURKEY.
this is just the start - we'll be seeing plenty more "chaos" in the future as everyone starts fighting for less and less resources.kosovo was a trial run for the US. It'll attack other countries whose resources it wants.
When it's depleted Kosovo's resouces it'll leave Kosovo to the mercy of Serbia which no doubt will mean another large war. As the Albanians like to delude themselves that the NATO intervention was on humanitarian grounds it'll be a big shock when the US leaves after it's taken everything it wants.
Trying hard to discredit anyone who doesn't agree with albanians. In that case look at Saudi Arabia who recognized Kosovo. A dictatorship worse than any other. How come you don't critisize them? Albanians are trying to steal territory that belongs to the Serbian nation and people. That's a fact!
I hope that Serbia's legal team for ICJ reads this Statement of Lajcak, or is already aware of it, because this two Elements are within the few most crucial to win our case at ICY - Serbia against "illegality" of Kosovo "international recognition".
Peter:
"Lajcak is just saying what everyone is thinking! This is political and not legal. In the end Kosovo will be independent because the political will is there from the international community! "
And just who is this "international community"?
When I hear that statement I can't help but laugh, because it's really just america but they include the whole world as if they represent everyone....american officials always use this term when speaking but in reality it's only a hand full of countries that support them (anglo saxons). They think the whole world belongs to them.
He is exactly right, and about chaos ensuing if this sort of path is taken against international law.
(kate, 12 August 2009 17:43)
Are you talking about South Ossetia? Other than that there is nothing else that could justify this claim. Perhaps Putin is also blaming his military campaign against Georgia on K-Albanians.
Lajcak is just saying what everyone is thinking! This is political and not legal. In the end Kosovo will be independent because the political will is there from the international community!
This situation saddens me because Kosovo is legally a part of Serbia.
Didn't Lajcak leave the balkans after doing his absolute best to help keep destroying bosnia? our savior from slovakia? and he, of all people, is telling us what is "political" vs what is legal for Kosova? He is just another nice european who is terribly ethically challenged.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 12 August 2009 20:11)
You obviously cannot see that but here you are coming on daily throwing your unconditional support behind Bosnian Muslims and Albanians and now saying "our" saviour in Bosnia. What has Bosnia got to do with this or you?
Not the first time that he hear this lazy agrument.
Kosova has so far been quite stable. People of Kosova including majority of Serbs have shown maturity and proven all those that predicted trouble wrong. Apart from attact in border crossing, killing of UNMIK police officer form Serbs extremists the rest of the year was quite and under the controll of Kosovo.
(Olf, 12 August 2009 21:38)
WRONG. I am not sure what nationality you are, Olf, but the past year was sure not stable for minorities living in Kosovo. I assume you do not work here or have access to the crime reports but some Albanians continue to terrorize the Serb, Roma, and (on occassion) the Bosniak minorities. Sure it is great here if you are Albanian and do not need a job, adequate water supply or electricity. Furthermore, the north is still Serbian controlled - and Pristina knows it. They cannot take control without... the very conflict predicted by those who argue against independence. So do not use Kosovo as a model for independence movements around the world. Ask pro-Albanian Tim Judah even. He just said in the news that the north is a frozen conflict of 10 years with little chance for integration.
It is very easy to sit in armchair and make a statement what right or wrong/legittimate or illegitimate.
I haven't made any search why the Hungarian minority ended up in Slovakia. Can someone enlight me?)))
I know the reason why Mr.Lajcak is not giving in!!!
That reason is 900.000 Hungarians living in Slovakia!!!
From my experience,the relationship between Slovakians and Hungarians in Slovakia is very similar to Serbs and Albanians in Kosova!
Two different nations who don't want to live together,but they had to!
If we are talking legal and not political how almost 1 million people(Hungarians)ended in the country called Slovakia and not Hungary!!!
If I can put the FM comments aside,again from my own experience,Slovakians are the best from Eastern Europe and I know giving more time and knowing the real situation,government of Slovakia will be more neutral in Kosova case!
Not the first time that he hear this lazy agrument.
Kosova has so far been quite stable. People of Kosova including majority of Serbs have shown maturity and proven all those that predicted trouble wrong. Apart from attact in border crossing, killing of UNMIK police officer form Serbs extremists the rest of the year was quite and under the controll of Kosovo.
In one sentence he's saying that:
"legalization of the process through international institutions, mainly the UN Security Council" is missing,
and then:
"it is hard to establish principles of legality when the UN Security Council acts in keeping with political interests of the countries that have the right to veto."
So, if the principles of legality are not there to begin with, what does he expect from Kosova? What fault is of Kosova anyway, if there are UNSC members - Russia - who would use the veto at the end, even though the result came from a process of which they were full decision-makers. This is nothing by utter hypocrisy. Why Russia went on with negotiations for two years, and then all of a sudden decided to threaten a veto at the end? Why Russia, even accepted a process, where had there not been agreement by the sides, the UN envoy would impose a solution?
And what kind of agreement he expects, when one side is holding the other hostage, by not agreeing to anything other than restoring a situation that brought conflict in the first place?
Mr Lajcak should mind his own business. Slovakia should put its own house in order first, before lecturing the world. See the following article in 'The Economist' in which Slovakia is shown as prohibiting its Hungarian minority from speaking its mother tongue.
'He who lives in glass houses should not throw stones', says an old proverb.
The article also provides enough facts to the argument that Slovakia is against Kosova's independence for its own selfish reasons and not for any sense of international altruism.
Didn't Lajcak leave the balkans after doing his absolute best to help keep destroying bosnia? our savior from slovakia? and he, of all people, is telling us what is "political" vs what is legal for Kosova? He is just another nice european who is terribly ethically challenged.
Why Russia went on with negotiations for two years, and then all of a sudden decided to threaten a veto at the end? Why Russia, even accepted a process, where had there not been agreement by the sides, the UN envoy would impose a solution?
And what kind of agreement he expects, when one side is holding the other hostage, by not agreeing to anything other than restoring a situation that brought conflict in the first place?
(Adrian Gashi, 12 August 2009 22:32)
I can ask you the same question. Why did you pretend to negotiate when you were never going to accept anything less than independence?
Serbia has no intenetion on getting into a situation which brough the conflict. You brought the conflict by creating conditions for it. What did you want to achieve by murdering Serbian police?
How does Kosovo remaining part of Serbia provoke conflict and what do you see in Serbian government's actions which would provoke conflict?
As we all know America has the biggest influence on most countries in the world. This is why the bombing of Serbia in 1999 went ahead. It was not legal but the political will of the international comminity (Yes, America!) was there.
I don't support this but it is the reality!! The new world order is that if AMERICA decides something then it happens, legal or not!! The bombing of Serbia was the prescedent!
Didn't Lajcak leave the balkans after doing his absolute best to help keep destroying bosnia? our savior from slovakia? and he, of all people, is telling us what is "political" vs what is legal for Kosova? He is just another nice european who is terribly ethically challenged.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 12 August 2009 20:11)
You obviously cannot see that but here you are coming on daily throwing your unconditional support behind Bosnian Muslims and Albanians and now saying "our" saviour in Bosnia. What has Bosnia got to do with this or you?
(Peggy, 12 August 2009 22:53)
Peggy,
I like that. It means I and many others here get to continually pick holes in his arguments.
Peggy: "Why did you pretend to negotiate when you were never going to accept anything less than independence? "
Albanians did not "pretend" to negotiate, they negotiated in good faith and during the course of the negotiations they had to make hard and difficult concessions in many areas: Serbs were given a much bigger share of representation in parliament and government than their actual population percentages, veto rights over minority matters, Serbian as an official language even though Serbs are only 5% of the population, decentralization, extensive rights to their church - even expanding church territories over land owned by Albanians, no unification with Albania, the character of the new state etc etc.
Serbs on the other hand didn't move an inch from their positions, they didn't even present any plan, demands or concrete proposals other than general and meaningless phrases such as "more than autonomy, less than independence", or referring to scenarios such as Aaland, HK, that had nothing in common with the realities in Kosova. It became painfully obvious that the Serb tactic was to stall and keep Kosova in limbo, however that was ruled as a non-option even before the negotiations.
One of the "Guiding Principles" that the Contact Group (Russia included) set out before the negotiations (Nov 2005), was that there was not going back to the status of pre-1999, so the inclusion of Kosova into Serbia was a non-option from the beginning. Russia was OK with that, up until the last moment when they reversed their position, to practically give Serbia a veto over the whole process. So the ones that pretended to negotiate, but had no intention to agree on anything, was Russia and Serbia.
"Albanians did not "pretend" to negotiate, they negotiated in good faith and during the course of the negotiations they had to make hard and difficult concessions in many areas: Serbs were given a much bigger share of representation in parliament and government than their actual population percentages, veto rights over minority matters, Serbian as an official language even though Serbs are only 5% of the population, decentralization, extensive rights to their church - even expanding church territories over land owned by Albanians, no unification with Albania, the character of the new state etc etc. "
Serbs only 5% of the population? Are you kidding me?
Kosovo IS is Serbia so Serbs are not a minority in their own country. We have minorities clusters all over Melbourne in which those minoriteis are a majority but it still doesn't make it Greece, Italy or anything else but Australia and Australians are still the majority.
The language of any country is whatever that country is.
The government of that country is not made up of a certain minority but citizens of that country. People of Kosovo live in Serbia which means they are represented by people from Serbia not Albania and not anywhere else.
Your argument is so full of holes.
No unification with Albania? Give me a break. Should England allow unification to their citizens of other ethnicities to unite with that country?
Albanians did not "pretend" to negotiate, they negotiated in good faith and during the course of the negotiations they had to make hard and difficult concessions in many areas: Serbs were given a much bigger share of representation in parliament and government than their actual population percentages, veto rights over minority matters, Serbian as an official language even though Serbs are only 5% of the population, decentralization, extensive rights to their church - even expanding church territories over land owned by Albanians, no unification with Albania,
(Adrian Gashi)
Also Albanians during the negotiations have given up their legit right over catalonia,kashmir,patagonia,missouri
and many others.....
Peggy: "Serbs only 5% of the population? Are you kidding me?"
Nope, not kidding you. Data from the Statistical Office of Kosova:
"Albanians 92%, Serbs 5.3%, Other ethnic groups 2.7%"
"Kosovo IS is Serbia so Serbs are not a minority in their own country."
Ok, if as you say, Kosovo is Serbia, Albanians would make 20% of the population there. Is Albanian an official language there? NO!
But, in Kosova, which according to us is separate of Serbia, Serbs make only 5% of the population, and Serbian is still an official language.
See the difference?
Kate wrote: "I can ask you the same question. Why did you pretend to negotiate when you were never going to accept anything less than independence?"
Independence of Kosovo was a done deal. You should know that because you seems to read a lot what is going on in Kosovo. If Kosovo for some reasons were not allowed to be an Independent country then pretty sure something was about to go down, so US and EU were not about to allow things to get messed up again.
I am tired of readin about History how Kosovo was a heart of Serbia or birth of Serbian Kingdom and so many more made up stories, or ever i they are true who cares, situation in the ground in 2009 is different story then it was on 13th century or whatever date you're claiming, so live up with it.
How come some people dont want to understand that the only way for Albanians from Kosovo, including myslef to live under Serbian regime is over our dead bodies. Are you willing to do something like that as you did in 1999?!
Peggy, once you get burned from someone or somthing you want NOTHING to do with it. So we Albanians in Kosovo want NOTHING to do with Serbia anymore, perdiod.
He is exactly right, and about chaos ensuing if this sort of path is taken against international law.
(kate, 12 August 2009 17:43)
Are you talking about South Ossetia? Other than that there is nothing else that could justify this claim. Perhaps Putin is also blaming his military campaign against Georgia on K-Albanians.
I know the reason why Mr.Lajcak is not giving in!!!
That reason is 900.000 Hungarians living in Slovakia!!!
From my experience,the relationship between Slovakians and Hungarians in Slovakia is very similar to Serbs and Albanians in Kosova!
Two different nations who don't want to live together,but they had to!
If we are talking legal and not political how almost 1 million people(Hungarians)ended in the country called Slovakia and not Hungary!!!
If I can put the FM comments aside,again from my own experience,Slovakians are the best from Eastern Europe and I know giving more time and knowing the real situation,government of Slovakia will be more neutral in Kosova case!
Didn't Lajcak leave the balkans after doing his absolute best to help keep destroying bosnia? our savior from slovakia? and he, of all people, is telling us what is "political" vs what is legal for Kosova? He is just another nice european who is terribly ethically challenged.
Not the first time that he hear this lazy agrument.
Kosova has so far been quite stable. People of Kosova including majority of Serbs have shown maturity and proven all those that predicted trouble wrong. Apart from attact in border crossing, killing of UNMIK police officer form Serbs extremists the rest of the year was quite and under the controll of Kosovo.
It is very easy to sit in armchair and make a statement what right or wrong/legittimate or illegitimate.
I haven't made any search why the Hungarian minority ended up in Slovakia. Can someone enlight me?)))
this is just the start - we'll be seeing plenty more "chaos" in the future as everyone starts fighting for less and less resources.kosovo was a trial run for the US. It'll attack other countries whose resources it wants.
When it's depleted Kosovo's resouces it'll leave Kosovo to the mercy of Serbia which no doubt will mean another large war. As the Albanians like to delude themselves that the NATO intervention was on humanitarian grounds it'll be a big shock when the US leaves after it's taken everything it wants.
"Kosovo's decision was based on political instead of legal criteria. Two elements were missing in the process: an agreement between Belgrade and Priština and legalization of the process through international institutions, mainly the UN Security Council."
He is exactly right, and about chaos ensuing if this sort of path is taken against international law.
I cant stand this. Albanians have a excuse for everything. just because you live in a country doesnt make it yours!!!!!!!!! Just because Turks live in Germany doesnt make it TURKEY.
In one sentence he's saying that:
"legalization of the process through international institutions, mainly the UN Security Council" is missing,
and then:
"it is hard to establish principles of legality when the UN Security Council acts in keeping with political interests of the countries that have the right to veto."
So, if the principles of legality are not there to begin with, what does he expect from Kosova? What fault is of Kosova anyway, if there are UNSC members - Russia - who would use the veto at the end, even though the result came from a process of which they were full decision-makers. This is nothing by utter hypocrisy. Why Russia went on with negotiations for two years, and then all of a sudden decided to threaten a veto at the end? Why Russia, even accepted a process, where had there not been agreement by the sides, the UN envoy would impose a solution?
And what kind of agreement he expects, when one side is holding the other hostage, by not agreeing to anything other than restoring a situation that brought conflict in the first place?
Trying hard to discredit anyone who doesn't agree with albanians. In that case look at Saudi Arabia who recognized Kosovo. A dictatorship worse than any other. How come you don't critisize them? Albanians are trying to steal territory that belongs to the Serbian nation and people. That's a fact!
Didn't Lajcak leave the balkans after doing his absolute best to help keep destroying bosnia? our savior from slovakia? and he, of all people, is telling us what is "political" vs what is legal for Kosova? He is just another nice european who is terribly ethically challenged.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 12 August 2009 20:11)
You obviously cannot see that but here you are coming on daily throwing your unconditional support behind Bosnian Muslims and Albanians and now saying "our" saviour in Bosnia. What has Bosnia got to do with this or you?
I hope that Serbia's legal team for ICJ reads this Statement of Lajcak, or is already aware of it, because this two Elements are within the few most crucial to win our case at ICY - Serbia against "illegality" of Kosovo "international recognition".
Lajcak is just saying what everyone is thinking! This is political and not legal. In the end Kosovo will be independent because the political will is there from the international community!
This situation saddens me because Kosovo is legally a part of Serbia.
Peter:
"Lajcak is just saying what everyone is thinking! This is political and not legal. In the end Kosovo will be independent because the political will is there from the international community! "
And just who is this "international community"?
When I hear that statement I can't help but laugh, because it's really just america but they include the whole world as if they represent everyone....american officials always use this term when speaking but in reality it's only a hand full of countries that support them (anglo saxons). They think the whole world belongs to them.
Why Russia went on with negotiations for two years, and then all of a sudden decided to threaten a veto at the end? Why Russia, even accepted a process, where had there not been agreement by the sides, the UN envoy would impose a solution?
And what kind of agreement he expects, when one side is holding the other hostage, by not agreeing to anything other than restoring a situation that brought conflict in the first place?
(Adrian Gashi, 12 August 2009 22:32)
I can ask you the same question. Why did you pretend to negotiate when you were never going to accept anything less than independence?
Serbia has no intenetion on getting into a situation which brough the conflict. You brought the conflict by creating conditions for it. What did you want to achieve by murdering Serbian police?
How does Kosovo remaining part of Serbia provoke conflict and what do you see in Serbian government's actions which would provoke conflict?
Didn't Lajcak leave the balkans after doing his absolute best to help keep destroying bosnia? our savior from slovakia? and he, of all people, is telling us what is "political" vs what is legal for Kosova? He is just another nice european who is terribly ethically challenged.
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(roberto, 12 August 2009 20:11)
You obviously cannot see that but here you are coming on daily throwing your unconditional support behind Bosnian Muslims and Albanians and now saying "our" saviour in Bosnia. What has Bosnia got to do with this or you?
(Peggy, 12 August 2009 22:53)
Peggy,
I like that. It means I and many others here get to continually pick holes in his arguments.
Mr Lajcak should mind his own business. Slovakia should put its own house in order first, before lecturing the world. See the following article in 'The Economist' in which Slovakia is shown as prohibiting its Hungarian minority from speaking its mother tongue.
'He who lives in glass houses should not throw stones', says an old proverb.
The article also provides enough facts to the argument that Slovakia is against Kosova's independence for its own selfish reasons and not for any sense of international altruism.
Peggy: "Why did you pretend to negotiate when you were never going to accept anything less than independence? "
Albanians did not "pretend" to negotiate, they negotiated in good faith and during the course of the negotiations they had to make hard and difficult concessions in many areas: Serbs were given a much bigger share of representation in parliament and government than their actual population percentages, veto rights over minority matters, Serbian as an official language even though Serbs are only 5% of the population, decentralization, extensive rights to their church - even expanding church territories over land owned by Albanians, no unification with Albania, the character of the new state etc etc.
Serbs on the other hand didn't move an inch from their positions, they didn't even present any plan, demands or concrete proposals other than general and meaningless phrases such as "more than autonomy, less than independence", or referring to scenarios such as Aaland, HK, that had nothing in common with the realities in Kosova. It became painfully obvious that the Serb tactic was to stall and keep Kosova in limbo, however that was ruled as a non-option even before the negotiations.
One of the "Guiding Principles" that the Contact Group (Russia included) set out before the negotiations (Nov 2005), was that there was not going back to the status of pre-1999, so the inclusion of Kosova into Serbia was a non-option from the beginning. Russia was OK with that, up until the last moment when they reversed their position, to practically give Serbia a veto over the whole process. So the ones that pretended to negotiate, but had no intention to agree on anything, was Russia and Serbia.
Not the first time that he hear this lazy agrument.
Kosova has so far been quite stable. People of Kosova including majority of Serbs have shown maturity and proven all those that predicted trouble wrong. Apart from attact in border crossing, killing of UNMIK police officer form Serbs extremists the rest of the year was quite and under the controll of Kosovo.
(Olf, 12 August 2009 21:38)
WRONG. I am not sure what nationality you are, Olf, but the past year was sure not stable for minorities living in Kosovo. I assume you do not work here or have access to the crime reports but some Albanians continue to terrorize the Serb, Roma, and (on occassion) the Bosniak minorities. Sure it is great here if you are Albanian and do not need a job, adequate water supply or electricity. Furthermore, the north is still Serbian controlled - and Pristina knows it. They cannot take control without... the very conflict predicted by those who argue against independence. So do not use Kosovo as a model for independence movements around the world. Ask pro-Albanian Tim Judah even. He just said in the news that the north is a frozen conflict of 10 years with little chance for integration.
As we all know America has the biggest influence on most countries in the world. This is why the bombing of Serbia in 1999 went ahead. It was not legal but the political will of the international comminity (Yes, America!) was there.
I don't support this but it is the reality!! The new world order is that if AMERICA decides something then it happens, legal or not!! The bombing of Serbia was the prescedent!
Peggy: "Serbs only 5% of the population? Are you kidding me?"
Nope, not kidding you. Data from the Statistical Office of Kosova:
"Albanians 92%, Serbs 5.3%, Other ethnic groups 2.7%"
"Kosovo IS is Serbia so Serbs are not a minority in their own country."
Ok, if as you say, Kosovo is Serbia, Albanians would make 20% of the population there. Is Albanian an official language there? NO!
But, in Kosova, which according to us is separate of Serbia, Serbs make only 5% of the population, and Serbian is still an official language.
See the difference?
"Albanians did not "pretend" to negotiate, they negotiated in good faith and during the course of the negotiations they had to make hard and difficult concessions in many areas: Serbs were given a much bigger share of representation in parliament and government than their actual population percentages, veto rights over minority matters, Serbian as an official language even though Serbs are only 5% of the population, decentralization, extensive rights to their church - even expanding church territories over land owned by Albanians, no unification with Albania, the character of the new state etc etc. "
Serbs only 5% of the population? Are you kidding me?
Kosovo IS is Serbia so Serbs are not a minority in their own country. We have minorities clusters all over Melbourne in which those minoriteis are a majority but it still doesn't make it Greece, Italy or anything else but Australia and Australians are still the majority.
The language of any country is whatever that country is.
The government of that country is not made up of a certain minority but citizens of that country. People of Kosovo live in Serbia which means they are represented by people from Serbia not Albania and not anywhere else.
Your argument is so full of holes.
No unification with Albania? Give me a break. Should England allow unification to their citizens of other ethnicities to unite with that country?
Albanians did not "pretend" to negotiate, they negotiated in good faith and during the course of the negotiations they had to make hard and difficult concessions in many areas: Serbs were given a much bigger share of representation in parliament and government than their actual population percentages, veto rights over minority matters, Serbian as an official language even though Serbs are only 5% of the population, decentralization, extensive rights to their church - even expanding church territories over land owned by Albanians, no unification with Albania,
(Adrian Gashi)
Also Albanians during the negotiations have given up their legit right over catalonia,kashmir,patagonia,missouri
and many others.....
Kate wrote: "I can ask you the same question. Why did you pretend to negotiate when you were never going to accept anything less than independence?"
Independence of Kosovo was a done deal. You should know that because you seems to read a lot what is going on in Kosovo. If Kosovo for some reasons were not allowed to be an Independent country then pretty sure something was about to go down, so US and EU were not about to allow things to get messed up again.
I am tired of readin about History how Kosovo was a heart of Serbia or birth of Serbian Kingdom and so many more made up stories, or ever i they are true who cares, situation in the ground in 2009 is different story then it was on 13th century or whatever date you're claiming, so live up with it.
How come some people dont want to understand that the only way for Albanians from Kosovo, including myslef to live under Serbian regime is over our dead bodies. Are you willing to do something like that as you did in 1999?!
Peggy, once you get burned from someone or somthing you want NOTHING to do with it. So we Albanians in Kosovo want NOTHING to do with Serbia anymore, perdiod.
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