NGOs want Srebrenica genocide marked

Naser Oric used the safe haven status of Srebrenica to launch vicious, genocidal attacks against unarmed Serbian civilians in the region, killing up to 3,000.

A particularly gruesome crime happened on Serbian Orthodox Christmas in January 1993 in the villages along the Drina valley, such as Kravice, when children as young as 5 and 6, as well as elderly women of 80, were killed by having their throats split or having clubs smashed into their heads.

When will these Western-sponsored NGOs lobby for these Serbian victims' day of mourning?

i'm for honouring victims. serbs killed in bratunac and srebrenica then muslims killed in srebrenica. its all human pain and horror and its human to honour it. but do we actually have jasenovac genocide day in serbia? i'll write to one of them ngos and inquire actually. 700000 innocent people were killed in jasenovac of them 22000 serb children. i think that deserves one small day.

Maybe these "brave" people first should go to Ankara and there demand the turks to have a day when the christian victims of turcoimperialism are remembered.

Serbia shouldn't do this.

The ruling at the ICJ exonerated Serbia of responsibility for Srebrenica [despite what some might claim about "failure to prevent it"

Yes, forget about the truth and accept the victors history writing.

And while they at it, create a self hating "every serb is evil by birth-day" too.

Does any other Serb find this offensive?
A war that was started by Slovenians, Croatians and Bosniaks and the Serbs need to have a remembrance day for their enemies?
What's the world coming to, it seems that noone cares about the Serbs that perished under the Bosniak Army, "Operation Storm" etc...
Is there anything that Serbia won't do to get into EU?
Absolutely ridiculous!

Oh Dear, are we here again?

Most of them were soldiers, as admitted by the bosniaks here: http://www.ex-yupress.com/dani/dani123.html despite the desperate efforts of the interviewer and interviewee to spin this 'small' and clearly irrelvant fact away.

The Media still refuses to call them 'soldiers' despite the information available (above amongst others)yet curiously does not call them 'civilians', preferring the though is technically correct 'men and boys' which conveniently obfuscates their legal status under international law.

Now why would this be?

Are they afraid that accurately calling them 'soldiers' might undermine the media created perception of a 'genocide' in the public?

Where is the famous impartiality of journalism and reporting of facts then? Or does it still depend on whom is paying the bills, journalist or NGO alike?

Using the ICTY's new interpretation of genocide, i.e. a combination of mostly soldiers a good number of whom were armed, a random figure, subjectively drawn geographical space and no interest in who or how many were actually killed as POWs (a war crime under the Geneva Conventions) and how many were shot in combat conditions and a complete disregard that no women and children were included - essential for the continued existence of any group... we can say that hundreds, if not thousands of genocides have occurred in the 20th century. So Franco in Spain was responsible for genocide, the USA in Vietnam, the Nigerian government in Biafra and almost every civil war etc. etc.

If you don't buy the story then you become a 'genocide denier' along with neo nazis.

--"The letter reminds that the European Parliament adopted a resolution on January 15, 2009 proclaiming July 11 a day for remembering the genocide in Srebrenica, and stated that because of the will of the citizens of Serbia to become a part of the EU, that has also become the obligation of the Serbian government."

Bravo for EU! It was actually declared a genocide in court. Serbia should do this before they're mandated by the EU

All have suffer during that 'uncivil' war as Scott Taylor so well said. A Memorial should be erected where all victims are remembered. Srebrenica was not a genocide, barely a huge massacre as all wars have known.

Srebranica was not a genocide but it was a massacre in the strictest interpretation of the term and the muslims have been playing that card for years.

.....

“We are expressing our firm conviction that respecting and recognizing the victims of the worst crime among crimes and the beginning of building shared remembrance in which all war crimes victims from the territory of the former Yugoslavia will be included is our common obligation,” the letter states


PLEASE SEND A COPY TO CROATIA, ALBANIA, AND THE BOSNIAN FEDERATION, AND DON'T FORGET THE USA!!!

roberto

So Jasenovac was a lie?
Do you know what it was?

Lots of jews were killed there as well, in case you didn't know about it.

I support Auschwitz was a "lie"/"diversion" as well?

For a jew, you have a strange sense of history.

So Mr. Tadic the big "liberal" and "democratic" leader of the "New Serbia" (which the outside world is supposed to believe is different form that under Milosevic) has not yet proclaimed July 11th to be a Srebrenica Genocide Remembrance Day. I guess the "New Serbia" is not so different from the "old". It's "new policies" are also very reminiscent of the policies of the "old" Serbia. The Srebrenica Genocide has been proven beyond any doubt and the EU properly marks it as a day on which the worst in human nature was witnessed by the entire world. Serbia has a moral and legal obligation to arrest the war criminal Ratko Mladic and to proclaim July 11th as Srebrencia Genocide Rememberance Day. I applaud the Serbian NGOs for putting pressure on Taidc to fulfil his obligations and promises to the Bosnian people and to the international community. If he doesn't then all this sing and dance about Serbia being a forward-moving European country is just laughable.

First the USA should recognize the Armenian Genocide, where 1.5 million Armenians were killed by the Turks, before Serbia recognizes a war crime where 8 000 were killed (I still have no idea why Srebrenica is classified as genocide).

fas

Careful with comments like that. Did the victors of WW2 write the history thereof, perhaps overinflating Serbian suffering during the war? There are probably Germans saying the same thing about WW2 as you are about the Bosnian War now. It can't be that any country is the eternal martyr, always wronged in history.

Piotr,

No need to have a discussion with someone who cannot even put down the world Jesenovac correctly.Anyway you will not convince someone who has been taught from early childchood that poles,serbs or the greek have never been victims just murdrers and those who oppose gay parades are devil's delegates on earth.It is also difficult to discuss something with person who does not use arguments just statements.otherwise I fully understand that your blood boils after reading such statements.

The International Tribunal in the Hague has proclaimed the Srebrenica massacre to have been a Genocide. That is a simple fact of which everyone is aware, even those who deny genocide. Tadic has a clear legal and moral obligation to separate the Serbian state from war criminals, if he fails to do so the entire country of Serbia and its people will become aids to war criminals and their country will be proclaimed a hideout for war criminals. I'm sure this will make it harder for to Tadic sell his "New Reformed Serbia" fantasy to foreigners, the locals already know it's a joke. The thinking in Europe is that Tadic "is different" from other Serb politicians, a real "democrat" but his policies are not in step with his propaganda. There is nothing prevening him from arresting Mladic or proclaiming July 11th as the Srebrenica Genocide Rememberance Day the way all EU states have done. Could it be that the golden boy of the West is simply a con man?
Thanks again to the Serbian NGOs for being so brave and trying fight for truth and justice in such a hostile environment.

>>So Mr. Tadic the big "liberal" and "democratic" leader of the "New Serbia" (which the outside world is supposed to believe is different form that under Milosevic) has not yet proclaimed July 11th to be a Srebrenica Genocide Remembrance Day. I guess the "New Serbia" is not so different from the "old".>>

no, unfortunately they are amazingly similar, but tadic is a bit more sophisticated, seems to wear better cuts of clothing. milosevic and his, um, charming wife were both intelligent, savvy, but pretty low characters when push came to shove.

nevertheless the policies have not, in essence, changed, except that all-out war has ceased, and that is significant progress. for the time being. god bless nato, at least in the balkans.

and god bless the forward thinking ngo's, in serbia, and throughout the world. they keep the message going, despite all of the lies and diversions about "jasenovic" and "oric" bla bla bla. the whole world knows the truth, despite the non-stop propaganda campaign, then or now.

sonia biserko told us that when they interviewed serbian refugees from croatia/bosnia, all they spoke about was ww2. exactly as their milosevic media meant it to be.

then, as now.

and you know what? keep yr beloved mladic. he perfectly belongs right in the heart of serbia.


thank you.
roberto
frisco

First the USA should recognize the Armenian Genocide, where 1.5 million Armenians were killed by the Turks, before Serbia recognizes a war crime where 8 000 were killed (I still have no idea why Srebrenica is classified as genocide).

fas

Careful with comments like that. Did the victors of WW2 write the history thereof, perhaps overinflating Serbian suffering during the war? There are probably Germans saying the same thing about WW2 as you are about the Bosnian War now. It can't be that any country is the eternal martyr, always wronged in history.
(Peter Sudyka, 12 August 2009 08:06)

IMO it is Turkey first which should recognize it.But as we know they are members of a special club the favorits of EU chinovniks the untouchable golden boys.I wonder how long could some NGOs protest in front of turkish parliament before being taken to prison for interfering into turkish internal affairs.
AS to your answer to fas I think the guy rather refers to unproportional treatment and incorrect parallels.It is mainly Germans who try very hard to liken serbs to ww2 nazis in order to decrease their own sins and justify their geopolitical aspirations.For a person with common sense there is hardly any paralel.First of all the action-reaction order and historical backround is much different and the number of victims as well.But we know well if poles or serbs kill thousands some try to equal it with germans killing millions.Some can get away with big crimes(for example Turks or Croats)while the others are heavily punished for much smaller ones.Like in everyday life:All depends on how well you get on with the local corrupt police officer or court personal.

The fatalities of the war; 33,070 Muslim civilians killed, 4,075 Serb civilians, 2,163 Croat civilians equating to 83.33% of civilian deaths were Muslims. In Srebrenica 4,800-5,000 civilians and 1,500-1,700 soldiers were killed in the Srebrenica municipality in July 1995. Compared with 22 Serbs and 1 Croat killed in the Srebrenica municipality for the whole of 1995. I can already hear the howl of protestations and counter claims but there are now too many records, too many counted graves, too many living survivors, too many documented accounts for such wailing to be taken as serious.

szemi

You're right, he's probably only doing to to provoke people here. It's not like he is saying anything constructive, nor do we need his ultra-liberal viewpoints (in fact, I find liberalism to be the world's plague now, and will be the end of the Western Civilization).

--"The letter reminds that the European Parliament adopted a resolution on January 15, 2009 proclaiming July 11 a day for remembering the genocide in Srebrenica, and stated that because of the will of the citizens of Serbia to become a part of the EU, that has also become the obligation of the Serbian government."

Bravo for EU! It was actually declared a genocide in court. Serbia should do this before they're mandated by the EU

So Mr. Tadic the big "liberal" and "democratic" leader of the "New Serbia" (which the outside world is supposed to believe is different form that under Milosevic) has not yet proclaimed July 11th to be a Srebrenica Genocide Remembrance Day. I guess the "New Serbia" is not so different from the "old". It's "new policies" are also very reminiscent of the policies of the "old" Serbia. The Srebrenica Genocide has been proven beyond any doubt and the EU properly marks it as a day on which the worst in human nature was witnessed by the entire world. Serbia has a moral and legal obligation to arrest the war criminal Ratko Mladic and to proclaim July 11th as Srebrencia Genocide Rememberance Day. I applaud the Serbian NGOs for putting pressure on Taidc to fulfil his obligations and promises to the Bosnian people and to the international community. If he doesn't then all this sing and dance about Serbia being a forward-moving European country is just laughable.

>>So Mr. Tadic the big "liberal" and "democratic" leader of the "New Serbia" (which the outside world is supposed to believe is different form that under Milosevic) has not yet proclaimed July 11th to be a Srebrenica Genocide Remembrance Day. I guess the "New Serbia" is not so different from the "old".>>

no, unfortunately they are amazingly similar, but tadic is a bit more sophisticated, seems to wear better cuts of clothing. milosevic and his, um, charming wife were both intelligent, savvy, but pretty low characters when push came to shove.

nevertheless the policies have not, in essence, changed, except that all-out war has ceased, and that is significant progress. for the time being. god bless nato, at least in the balkans.

and god bless the forward thinking ngo's, in serbia, and throughout the world. they keep the message going, despite all of the lies and diversions about "jasenovic" and "oric" bla bla bla. the whole world knows the truth, despite the non-stop propaganda campaign, then or now.

sonia biserko told us that when they interviewed serbian refugees from croatia/bosnia, all they spoke about was ww2. exactly as their milosevic media meant it to be.

then, as now.

and you know what? keep yr beloved mladic. he perfectly belongs right in the heart of serbia.


thank you.
roberto
frisco

Naser Oric used the safe haven status of Srebrenica to launch vicious, genocidal attacks against unarmed Serbian civilians in the region, killing up to 3,000.

A particularly gruesome crime happened on Serbian Orthodox Christmas in January 1993 in the villages along the Drina valley, such as Kravice, when children as young as 5 and 6, as well as elderly women of 80, were killed by having their throats split or having clubs smashed into their heads.

When will these Western-sponsored NGOs lobby for these Serbian victims' day of mourning?

Maybe these "brave" people first should go to Ankara and there demand the turks to have a day when the christian victims of turcoimperialism are remembered.

The International Tribunal in the Hague has proclaimed the Srebrenica massacre to have been a Genocide. That is a simple fact of which everyone is aware, even those who deny genocide. Tadic has a clear legal and moral obligation to separate the Serbian state from war criminals, if he fails to do so the entire country of Serbia and its people will become aids to war criminals and their country will be proclaimed a hideout for war criminals. I'm sure this will make it harder for to Tadic sell his "New Reformed Serbia" fantasy to foreigners, the locals already know it's a joke. The thinking in Europe is that Tadic "is different" from other Serb politicians, a real "democrat" but his policies are not in step with his propaganda. There is nothing prevening him from arresting Mladic or proclaiming July 11th as the Srebrenica Genocide Rememberance Day the way all EU states have done. Could it be that the golden boy of the West is simply a con man?
Thanks again to the Serbian NGOs for being so brave and trying fight for truth and justice in such a hostile environment.

Serbia shouldn't do this.

The ruling at the ICJ exonerated Serbia of responsibility for Srebrenica [despite what some might claim about "failure to prevent it"

Yes, forget about the truth and accept the victors history writing.

And while they at it, create a self hating "every serb is evil by birth-day" too.

The fatalities of the war; 33,070 Muslim civilians killed, 4,075 Serb civilians, 2,163 Croat civilians equating to 83.33% of civilian deaths were Muslims. In Srebrenica 4,800-5,000 civilians and 1,500-1,700 soldiers were killed in the Srebrenica municipality in July 1995. Compared with 22 Serbs and 1 Croat killed in the Srebrenica municipality for the whole of 1995. I can already hear the howl of protestations and counter claims but there are now too many records, too many counted graves, too many living survivors, too many documented accounts for such wailing to be taken as serious.

Srebranica was not a genocide but it was a massacre in the strictest interpretation of the term and the muslims have been playing that card for years.

Oh Dear, are we here again?

Most of them were soldiers, as admitted by the bosniaks here: http://www.ex-yupress.com/dani/dani123.html despite the desperate efforts of the interviewer and interviewee to spin this 'small' and clearly irrelvant fact away.

The Media still refuses to call them 'soldiers' despite the information available (above amongst others)yet curiously does not call them 'civilians', preferring the though is technically correct 'men and boys' which conveniently obfuscates their legal status under international law.

Now why would this be?

Are they afraid that accurately calling them 'soldiers' might undermine the media created perception of a 'genocide' in the public?

Where is the famous impartiality of journalism and reporting of facts then? Or does it still depend on whom is paying the bills, journalist or NGO alike?

Using the ICTY's new interpretation of genocide, i.e. a combination of mostly soldiers a good number of whom were armed, a random figure, subjectively drawn geographical space and no interest in who or how many were actually killed as POWs (a war crime under the Geneva Conventions) and how many were shot in combat conditions and a complete disregard that no women and children were included - essential for the continued existence of any group... we can say that hundreds, if not thousands of genocides have occurred in the 20th century. So Franco in Spain was responsible for genocide, the USA in Vietnam, the Nigerian government in Biafra and almost every civil war etc. etc.

If you don't buy the story then you become a 'genocide denier' along with neo nazis.

First the USA should recognize the Armenian Genocide, where 1.5 million Armenians were killed by the Turks, before Serbia recognizes a war crime where 8 000 were killed (I still have no idea why Srebrenica is classified as genocide).

fas

Careful with comments like that. Did the victors of WW2 write the history thereof, perhaps overinflating Serbian suffering during the war? There are probably Germans saying the same thing about WW2 as you are about the Bosnian War now. It can't be that any country is the eternal martyr, always wronged in history.
(Peter Sudyka, 12 August 2009 08:06)

IMO it is Turkey first which should recognize it.But as we know they are members of a special club the favorits of EU chinovniks the untouchable golden boys.I wonder how long could some NGOs protest in front of turkish parliament before being taken to prison for interfering into turkish internal affairs.
AS to your answer to fas I think the guy rather refers to unproportional treatment and incorrect parallels.It is mainly Germans who try very hard to liken serbs to ww2 nazis in order to decrease their own sins and justify their geopolitical aspirations.For a person with common sense there is hardly any paralel.First of all the action-reaction order and historical backround is much different and the number of victims as well.But we know well if poles or serbs kill thousands some try to equal it with germans killing millions.Some can get away with big crimes(for example Turks or Croats)while the others are heavily punished for much smaller ones.Like in everyday life:All depends on how well you get on with the local corrupt police officer or court personal.

Does any other Serb find this offensive?
A war that was started by Slovenians, Croatians and Bosniaks and the Serbs need to have a remembrance day for their enemies?
What's the world coming to, it seems that noone cares about the Serbs that perished under the Bosniak Army, "Operation Storm" etc...
Is there anything that Serbia won't do to get into EU?
Absolutely ridiculous!

All have suffer during that 'uncivil' war as Scott Taylor so well said. A Memorial should be erected where all victims are remembered. Srebrenica was not a genocide, barely a huge massacre as all wars have known.

First the USA should recognize the Armenian Genocide, where 1.5 million Armenians were killed by the Turks, before Serbia recognizes a war crime where 8 000 were killed (I still have no idea why Srebrenica is classified as genocide).

fas

Careful with comments like that. Did the victors of WW2 write the history thereof, perhaps overinflating Serbian suffering during the war? There are probably Germans saying the same thing about WW2 as you are about the Bosnian War now. It can't be that any country is the eternal martyr, always wronged in history.

i'm for honouring victims. serbs killed in bratunac and srebrenica then muslims killed in srebrenica. its all human pain and horror and its human to honour it. but do we actually have jasenovac genocide day in serbia? i'll write to one of them ngos and inquire actually. 700000 innocent people were killed in jasenovac of them 22000 serb children. i think that deserves one small day.

roberto

So Jasenovac was a lie?
Do you know what it was?

Lots of jews were killed there as well, in case you didn't know about it.

I support Auschwitz was a "lie"/"diversion" as well?

For a jew, you have a strange sense of history.

Piotr,

No need to have a discussion with someone who cannot even put down the world Jesenovac correctly.Anyway you will not convince someone who has been taught from early childchood that poles,serbs or the greek have never been victims just murdrers and those who oppose gay parades are devil's delegates on earth.It is also difficult to discuss something with person who does not use arguments just statements.otherwise I fully understand that your blood boils after reading such statements.

szemi

You're right, he's probably only doing to to provoke people here. It's not like he is saying anything constructive, nor do we need his ultra-liberal viewpoints (in fact, I find liberalism to be the world's plague now, and will be the end of the Western Civilization).

.....

“We are expressing our firm conviction that respecting and recognizing the victims of the worst crime among crimes and the beginning of building shared remembrance in which all war crimes victims from the territory of the former Yugoslavia will be included is our common obligation,” the letter states


PLEASE SEND A COPY TO CROATIA, ALBANIA, AND THE BOSNIAN FEDERATION, AND DON'T FORGET THE USA!!!