"Visa regime and Kosovo residents"

He added that "it must be de facto admitted" that Serbia "has no control over Kosovo, that is, that there is a different government present in that territory”.

Dear Dusan

Serbia had for about 9 decades control over Kosovo, while now de facto and de juro HAS GOT no control (and will NEVER have) what-so-ever.

Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman empires, as well as final serbian occupation has successfully ended.

We happy to enjoy the FREE breath of PEACE, FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE.

DOWN with the occupation.

Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman empires, as well as final serbian occupation has successfully ended.

DOWN with the occupation.
(PRN, 11 August 2009 14:08)
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Umm, there are foreign NATO troops occupying the province right now so when are you guys going to kick them out?

He added that the reasons for this is that Serbia "has no control over the province".

Serbia has no control over Bosnia either but Serbs living there can travel visa free on Serbian passports.

What is the difference between Serbs in Bosnia and Serbs in Kosovo?

Sound more like a reason to force Serbia to recognize Kosovo.

PRN (post #3)

what you wrote hardly applies to north Kosovo. Everyone knows there is a de facto partition at the Ibar.

"Zoran: Have you not read the news lately? KFOR is cutting down and in a few years they will be gone too.
(Legio, 11 August 2009 15:37) "

That's because the US can no longer afford their upkeep. The Chinese have drastically cut back on the purchase of US financial IOUs.

He added that "it must be de facto admitted" that Serbia "has no control over Kosovo, that is, that there is a different government present in that territory”.
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Kosovo is currently administered by the UN so it's obvious that control over that territory is limited, however, the Serbian residents look towards Belgrade so if there's a will there's a way.

I think it's time this government called new elections to allow more competent people to take over. The North is firmly under Serbia's control but this government is too incompetent or simply following the West's agenda to care.

Kosovo is a complete mess and no-one seems to be doing anything to clean that mess up. It is crime ridden where crimes simply go unpunished, especially those committed against Serbians.

The temporary institutions there need to grow up and quickly. In fact, it would be far better to have them replaced.

It was Serbia who agreed for EU visa liberalisation for Serbian citizens. Without the residents of Kosovo getting visa liberalisation, suggests that the residents are not Serbian citizens. Another point which suggests that the residents are not Serbian citizens is that they are not under the control of Serbia. Not to mention that the people of Kosovo have their own ID, Passports and Citizenship. So when the time comes for vis liberalisation of Kosovo, it won't be as Serbian citizens.

Zoran: Have you not read the news lately? KFOR is cutting down and in a few years they will be gone too.

Visa free info;
Maximum stay in EU: 90 days
Working: not allowed
Supporting documents: same as before the visa free regime, to be produced at the Schengen border
Overstaying: heavy penalty
It all sums to; all those that could travel before wil travel now too. Theo ther that have no means will know that they can travel but have no means. This hurts.
Enjoy Schengen

The bottom line is that EU has told Serb leaders behind close doors that; no matter how many passports you issue to Kosova citizens and claiming that Kosova is Serbia, is not a go and you are wasting expensive paper. I wish top Serbian leadership will come out publicly and inform the public.
Mora or less EU is forcing Serbia to recognize Kosova , whether they like it or not.

It all sums to; all those that could travel before wil travel now too. Theo ther that have no means will know that they can travel but have no means. This hurts.
Enjoy Schengen
(Olf, 11 August 2009 17:45)

I have never seen any decent comment even when it comes to the free movement of people! Am sure if albania would be in question we would certainly have a different tone in your comment!

I can only say one more time, welcome Serbian upeople, 280thds of you are already well integrated in Switzerland with no problem, can't say the same for some some other balkans regions...

Does anyone really believe the underlying intent is to grant visa free travel to Serbian citizens?

"What would stop a Serb from Mitrovica claiming he was from Nis or an Albanian from Pec claiming he was from Presevo to obtain a Serbian passport?"

The Albanians needs documents from Serbia, and if the Serbs says he is from Nis, Kosova has the right to ask him and his family, what are you doing in Kosova?

EU keeps data

I have heard that some 15 years ago some Kosovars were in dirty business but that was then and they were just meeting the demand of Swiss people. If there was no demand than there would be no such activity.
(Olf, 12 August 2009 09:01)

Not some 15 years ago Olf, all sort of dirty trafficking is being today controlled by them in Switzerland, so you must have some rather old source of information...., but you can always update your knowledge by looking at the official statistics!

Indeed the first wave of K-Albanians are more than well integrated, have also acquired swiss passports, but this is certainly not the case for a large portion of the second wave coming at the beginning and during the war! They even managed to racket their own "older" fellow citizens, it says all!

Of course as always you find an interesting excuse to justify criminal behaviours, you and yours alike are never guilty of anything, the others are.

What would stop a Serb from Mitrovica claiming he was from Nis or an Albanian from Pec claiming he was from Presevo to obtain a Serbian passport?

OLf, here you go some interesting links..

It looks that we do not have the same calendar...

As I said, in very dirty trafficking including steeling EU funds!

http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=5&leader=0&sp=515

http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=5&leader=0&sp=538

http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=5&leader=0&sp=530

and pls look at the links

"savekosovo.org" ...

Sorry Olf, but in Holland and Belgium we got a LOT of Albanian criminals. And then I am talking about gangsters.

In my opinion we should close the EU for Albanians. We have high unemployment. So we really do not need more work force.

Same for other countries. Don't take this personoal!

But Albania is like a third world country. It should be kept out of the EU for the coming decades!

I have alos noticed that Serbs, Croats ect are together with Albanians are drug distributers in Swiss.
Have a good day and think out of the box a bit. try to think how to prevent people taking heroin maybe.
(Olf, 12 August 2009 17:06)
Recommend (+1)Poor comment

Of course Serbian propaganda, Mr Fleury our narcotic chief police is working for the serbian govnt.
And for further upgrading of your knowledge, Switzerland has the best follow up in europe of the drug addicts.

I hope that our politician will have once the guts to expell all these drugs traffickers having no papers, since they now have a wonderland, God knows maybe you are one of them, that would explain all!

Albanians are the largest minority in Swiss and they must be respected. They are working and paying contributions to Swiss and majority of them are law obiding citizens.
(Olf, 12 August 2009 15:01)

Wrong:

Italian, Germans, Portuguese, Serbian, the actual ranking... and all of them ARE indeed paying their taxes!

As to the Albanians, I already said it many times, the first generation are more than well integrated and appreciated hard working people, it is however not the case for a large majority of the second generation that came during the war!
And yes, we respect our foreign communities as much as their respect us and respect the laws!
I have no intention to blame an entire nation for some individuals, but we have not created the terrible image that the albanians are having abroad and with the kind of ultra nationalist posters on this site, this image will certainly not improve in the decades to come!!

Swiss,

blaming the entire population is wrong, that does not lead anywhere.
My information is fresh and very correct. I said that there are few that deal with illegal activities but hey, there are plenty of Swiss, Serbs, Greeks, Italians, Germans etc that do the same thing and these people cooperate very well.
According to your logic those nations are bed too.

Swiss, every society have it own crap so does Albanian society. Judging the enire nation on actions of some is really not mature nor does it help the host nation.
Albanians are the largest minority in Swiss and they must be respected. They are working and paying contributions to Swiss and majority of them are law obiding citizens.

The Swiss

I would have said the same for Albania too, dont you worry. What I have stated above is the facts that Serbian Government is hiding from its people.

Being that Kosovars are the youngest immigrants in Swiss, in short period of time they have done well. All of them have kids in schools and universities, they are amongst the best students in Swiss, and this answers the quaetion of integration.
I have heard that some 15 years ago some Kosovars were in dirty business but that was then and they were just meeting the demand of Swiss people. If there was no demand than there would be no such activity.

The Swiss

thank you for your links eventhought this is Serbian propaganda.
Anyhow, in the report I have noticed that Serbia is in every route or drug trafficing from Afganistan.
I have alos noticed that Serbs, Croats ect are together with Albanians are drug distributers in Swiss.
Have a good day and think out of the box a bit. try to think how to prevent people taking heroin maybe.

Having Kosovo out of the shengen is also likely to reduce the temptation for the remaining residence to leave Kosovo for good,except for Serbia. So in a way it severes Belgrade interest in not giving the Kosovo Serbs the ability to travel visa free and then risk them not coming back.

He added that "it must be de facto admitted" that Serbia "has no control over Kosovo, that is, that there is a different government present in that territory”.

Dear Dusan

Serbia had for about 9 decades control over Kosovo, while now de facto and de juro HAS GOT no control (and will NEVER have) what-so-ever.

Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman empires, as well as final serbian occupation has successfully ended.

We happy to enjoy the FREE breath of PEACE, FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE.

DOWN with the occupation.

He added that "it must be de facto admitted" that Serbia "has no control over Kosovo, that is, that there is a different government present in that territory”.
--
Kosovo is currently administered by the UN so it's obvious that control over that territory is limited, however, the Serbian residents look towards Belgrade so if there's a will there's a way.

I think it's time this government called new elections to allow more competent people to take over. The North is firmly under Serbia's control but this government is too incompetent or simply following the West's agenda to care.

Kosovo is a complete mess and no-one seems to be doing anything to clean that mess up. It is crime ridden where crimes simply go unpunished, especially those committed against Serbians.

The temporary institutions there need to grow up and quickly. In fact, it would be far better to have them replaced.

Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman empires, as well as final serbian occupation has successfully ended.

DOWN with the occupation.
(PRN, 11 August 2009 14:08)
--
Umm, there are foreign NATO troops occupying the province right now so when are you guys going to kick them out?

It was Serbia who agreed for EU visa liberalisation for Serbian citizens. Without the residents of Kosovo getting visa liberalisation, suggests that the residents are not Serbian citizens. Another point which suggests that the residents are not Serbian citizens is that they are not under the control of Serbia. Not to mention that the people of Kosovo have their own ID, Passports and Citizenship. So when the time comes for vis liberalisation of Kosovo, it won't be as Serbian citizens.

"Zoran: Have you not read the news lately? KFOR is cutting down and in a few years they will be gone too.
(Legio, 11 August 2009 15:37) "

That's because the US can no longer afford their upkeep. The Chinese have drastically cut back on the purchase of US financial IOUs.

PRN (post #3)

what you wrote hardly applies to north Kosovo. Everyone knows there is a de facto partition at the Ibar.

Zoran: Have you not read the news lately? KFOR is cutting down and in a few years they will be gone too.

Visa free info;
Maximum stay in EU: 90 days
Working: not allowed
Supporting documents: same as before the visa free regime, to be produced at the Schengen border
Overstaying: heavy penalty
It all sums to; all those that could travel before wil travel now too. Theo ther that have no means will know that they can travel but have no means. This hurts.
Enjoy Schengen

What would stop a Serb from Mitrovica claiming he was from Nis or an Albanian from Pec claiming he was from Presevo to obtain a Serbian passport?

The bottom line is that EU has told Serb leaders behind close doors that; no matter how many passports you issue to Kosova citizens and claiming that Kosova is Serbia, is not a go and you are wasting expensive paper. I wish top Serbian leadership will come out publicly and inform the public.
Mora or less EU is forcing Serbia to recognize Kosova , whether they like it or not.

He added that the reasons for this is that Serbia "has no control over the province".

Serbia has no control over Bosnia either but Serbs living there can travel visa free on Serbian passports.

What is the difference between Serbs in Bosnia and Serbs in Kosovo?

Sound more like a reason to force Serbia to recognize Kosovo.

It all sums to; all those that could travel before wil travel now too. Theo ther that have no means will know that they can travel but have no means. This hurts.
Enjoy Schengen
(Olf, 11 August 2009 17:45)

I have never seen any decent comment even when it comes to the free movement of people! Am sure if albania would be in question we would certainly have a different tone in your comment!

I can only say one more time, welcome Serbian upeople, 280thds of you are already well integrated in Switzerland with no problem, can't say the same for some some other balkans regions...

"What would stop a Serb from Mitrovica claiming he was from Nis or an Albanian from Pec claiming he was from Presevo to obtain a Serbian passport?"

The Albanians needs documents from Serbia, and if the Serbs says he is from Nis, Kosova has the right to ask him and his family, what are you doing in Kosova?

EU keeps data

The Swiss

I would have said the same for Albania too, dont you worry. What I have stated above is the facts that Serbian Government is hiding from its people.

Being that Kosovars are the youngest immigrants in Swiss, in short period of time they have done well. All of them have kids in schools and universities, they are amongst the best students in Swiss, and this answers the quaetion of integration.
I have heard that some 15 years ago some Kosovars were in dirty business but that was then and they were just meeting the demand of Swiss people. If there was no demand than there would be no such activity.

Does anyone really believe the underlying intent is to grant visa free travel to Serbian citizens?

Swiss,

blaming the entire population is wrong, that does not lead anywhere.
My information is fresh and very correct. I said that there are few that deal with illegal activities but hey, there are plenty of Swiss, Serbs, Greeks, Italians, Germans etc that do the same thing and these people cooperate very well.
According to your logic those nations are bed too.

Swiss, every society have it own crap so does Albanian society. Judging the enire nation on actions of some is really not mature nor does it help the host nation.
Albanians are the largest minority in Swiss and they must be respected. They are working and paying contributions to Swiss and majority of them are law obiding citizens.

The Swiss

thank you for your links eventhought this is Serbian propaganda.
Anyhow, in the report I have noticed that Serbia is in every route or drug trafficing from Afganistan.
I have alos noticed that Serbs, Croats ect are together with Albanians are drug distributers in Swiss.
Have a good day and think out of the box a bit. try to think how to prevent people taking heroin maybe.

I have heard that some 15 years ago some Kosovars were in dirty business but that was then and they were just meeting the demand of Swiss people. If there was no demand than there would be no such activity.
(Olf, 12 August 2009 09:01)

Not some 15 years ago Olf, all sort of dirty trafficking is being today controlled by them in Switzerland, so you must have some rather old source of information...., but you can always update your knowledge by looking at the official statistics!

Indeed the first wave of K-Albanians are more than well integrated, have also acquired swiss passports, but this is certainly not the case for a large portion of the second wave coming at the beginning and during the war! They even managed to racket their own "older" fellow citizens, it says all!

Of course as always you find an interesting excuse to justify criminal behaviours, you and yours alike are never guilty of anything, the others are.

Sorry Olf, but in Holland and Belgium we got a LOT of Albanian criminals. And then I am talking about gangsters.

In my opinion we should close the EU for Albanians. We have high unemployment. So we really do not need more work force.

Same for other countries. Don't take this personoal!

But Albania is like a third world country. It should be kept out of the EU for the coming decades!

OLf, here you go some interesting links..

It looks that we do not have the same calendar...

As I said, in very dirty trafficking including steeling EU funds!

http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=5&leader=0&sp=515

http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=5&leader=0&sp=538

http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=5&leader=0&sp=530

and pls look at the links

"savekosovo.org" ...

I have alos noticed that Serbs, Croats ect are together with Albanians are drug distributers in Swiss.
Have a good day and think out of the box a bit. try to think how to prevent people taking heroin maybe.
(Olf, 12 August 2009 17:06)
Recommend (+1)Poor comment

Of course Serbian propaganda, Mr Fleury our narcotic chief police is working for the serbian govnt.
And for further upgrading of your knowledge, Switzerland has the best follow up in europe of the drug addicts.

I hope that our politician will have once the guts to expell all these drugs traffickers having no papers, since they now have a wonderland, God knows maybe you are one of them, that would explain all!

Albanians are the largest minority in Swiss and they must be respected. They are working and paying contributions to Swiss and majority of them are law obiding citizens.
(Olf, 12 August 2009 15:01)

Wrong:

Italian, Germans, Portuguese, Serbian, the actual ranking... and all of them ARE indeed paying their taxes!

As to the Albanians, I already said it many times, the first generation are more than well integrated and appreciated hard working people, it is however not the case for a large majority of the second generation that came during the war!
And yes, we respect our foreign communities as much as their respect us and respect the laws!
I have no intention to blame an entire nation for some individuals, but we have not created the terrible image that the albanians are having abroad and with the kind of ultra nationalist posters on this site, this image will certainly not improve in the decades to come!!

Having Kosovo out of the shengen is also likely to reduce the temptation for the remaining residence to leave Kosovo for good,except for Serbia. So in a way it severes Belgrade interest in not giving the Kosovo Serbs the ability to travel visa free and then risk them not coming back.