"Conditions not present for K. Serbs to vote"

"if Kosovo provincial government does not state that Kosovo is still part of Serbia, Serbs and all others should not participate in these fake elections!"


"Ron" the whole point is to have serbs self-rule. If they don't a Bosniak, Roma or a Montenegrin might win the votes and become a "leader."

K-Albs are not going to lie and say that Kosova is part of Serbia, if half of Serbs don't vote that's 2% of the total population, not a big deal. Serbs can boycott elections and especially KEK all they want. life goes on.

What's up with Bogdanovic discriminating: in what state does custom money go to a specific ethnic group of people? Even if you assume that Kosovo je Serbija, why?

International Law is more but some lines on a map. It primarily base on Human Rights which Serbia clearly violated the whole 90s. That is sin which lead us here and that is what all people really should complain about. A human life is more worth than line on a map or a monastary. Serbia forfeithed its right by doing this crimes. Even International Law mentiones that a population has right to uprise against a suppressive regime like the one under Milosevic. So even according that the Albanians are on the right side to claim independence after that horrible atrocities comitted by officials of Serbia. There are UN verdicts against high ranking officials of Serbia. That is the judicial proof that Serbia committed crimes against the Albanian population. In the end, the ICJ will confirm that secession was right, especially after mentioning 1244 in which it is stated that there will be status talks. Well, we had status talks and those are now over. Arthisaari was elected by the UNSC. If some had something against him, they should have thought about this in the first place, or delete the passage of 1244 in which is stated that there will be status talks.
(Berkeley, 26 July 2009 17:38)

Tell me Berkeley,

Why is the West shielding the likes of Thaci, Ceku and Haradinaj? These men were also guilty of war crimes yet in the case of Agim Ceku he was allowed to escape justice despite the overwhelming evidence against him. In Haradinaj's case, important prosecution witnesses were either intimidated into giving evidence at the trial or assassinated. How convenient!

Secondly, you talk about Serbia forfeiting its right to rule Kosovo, etc. etc. There is no doubt that crimes were committed....by all sides but why be so selective. Why focus on the crimes of the Yugoslav police and army and not those of the KLA who murdered, tortured and extracted organs from their opponents, many of them Serbs and Roma. 300,000 Serbs, Roma, Jews, Gorani, Montenegrins and other non Albanians have been ehnically cleansed from Kosmet and can never return to their homes. Do they not register a jot in your 'moral indignation'? Where is the justice in that?

I also note a glaring absence in your reply regarding Croatia and no mention on Zagreb to give up Kraijina after they ethnic cleansed 250,000 Serbs, murdering thousands of innocent Serb civilians in the process. Hasnt Croatia also forfeited its right to rule there as well? Are the innocent Serb civilians lives worth a lot less in your self righteous indignation that those of non Serbs?

I would agree with your analysis somewhat if it didn't stink to high heaven of double standards, racism and hypocricy.

International Law unfortunatley for the KLA fascists is on Serbia's side. There is no provision for in International Law for Pristina's UDD. It was ILLEGAL and no iridentist and chauvanistic land grab will ever hide that or your true agenda.

Again: if Kosovo provincial government does not state that Kosovo is still part of Serbia, Serbs and all others should not participate in these fake elections!

May I remind you all that Albanians in Serbia boycotted elections for decades!

To all in Kosovo: do NOT participate in these fake elecctions.

SAVE INTERNATIONAL LAW!! Which is so much more important then Kosovo!

SAVE INTERNATIONAL LAW!! Which is so much more important then Kosovo!
(Ron, 26 July 2009 14:11)

International Law is more but some lines on a map. It primarily base on Human Rights which Serbia clearly violated the whole 90s. That is sin which lead us here and that is what all people really should complain about. A human life is more worth than line on a map or a monastary. Serbia forfeithed its right by doing this crimes. Even International Law mentiones that a population has right to uprise against a suppressive regime like the one under Milosevic. So even according that the Albanians are on the right side to claim independence after that horrible atrocities comitted by officials of Serbia. There are UN verdicts against high ranking officials of Serbia. That is the judicial proof that Serbia committed crimes against the Albanian population. In the end, the ICJ will confirm that secession was right, especially after mentioning 1244 in which it is stated that there will be status talks. Well, we had status talks and those are now over. Arthisaari was elected by the UNSC. If some had something against him, they should have thought about this in the first place, or delete the passage of 1244 in which is stated that there will be status talks.

This is all a money saving exercise for the minister. The measure of success of his ministry rests on his RSD 100mn saved. The rest is political bravado without any substance.
He says,,,,We have a united policy against participation in these elections but won’t prohibit those who want to take part. We don’t have moral authority to ask people to pay, but accept that they should pay. We cannot work under patronage of Pieter Feith, but we are prepared to talk to Eulex.
Serb policy towards Kosova is full of contradictions and these statements are no exception.

No one will be forced to take or not to take part in the local election. The invitation to be represented is open. I have one simple request. Don't blame the others for your "misfortunes".

Why? Because they wouldnt choose you mr Bogdanović if you were running?

"To all in Kosovo: do NOT participate in these fake elecctions.

SAVE INTERNATIONAL LAW!! Which is so much more important then Kosovo!
(Ron, 26 July 2009 14:11)"

You must be so far from kosovo that your voice wont be heared. And importance is relavent. Serbia spited at Int. law for a while.

Kosovo has universal suffrage. all the people who are concerned with how day to day functions should vote to apear at the map of politics.

'SAVE INTERNATIONAL LAW!! Which is so much more important then Kosovo!
(Ron, 26 July 2009 14:11) '

And if the ICJ rules that Kosovo's UDI was in fact legal, will you demand (in caps) that Serbia immediately recognize it?

What international law, Ron? You might be referring to R1244. This resolution infers that Kosovo is one and it does not provide for any relationships to Serbia for any of Kosovo's ethnic groups.

No one will be forced to take or not to take part in the local election. The invitation to be represented is open. I have one simple request. Don't blame the others for your "misfortunes".
(EA, 26 July 2009 15:07)

EA, then take part in Serbian elections now. As Kosovo is a Serbian province.

All in the whole of Serbia should participate in creating a better future for all!

Bill,

1244 states that Kosovo is part of Serbia. You may not like that, but that's the case!

Again: don't vote in these fake elections!
Five billion people on earth are much more important then a few million Kosovars! It is about international law!

Berkeley - what a "horrible attrocities"?? Maybe You read US propaganda press from 1999 "half milion of Albanians killed by Serbs"?? Where are this "half milion"??

And - do You think about US government who support TERRORIST group UCK (group who kills lot of civilians) for creation an "independent" country?? Do You think about US hypocrits, who doing nothing when Albanians expelled hundreds of thousands non-albanians from Kosovo??

Mr Athisaari signed ANY LEGAL DEAL between Serbia and pseudogovernment of Kosovo - so his "Plan" is only some paper - nothing more. UN Resolution 1244 is still ONLY LEGAL INTERNATIONAL DOCUMENT - and according to this resolution Kosovo is legal part of Serbia. So - UDI from 2008 break international law.

Citizens of Serbia who still live on the territory of Kosovo - according law - don't must participate in ANY elections or institutions of ILLEGAL STATE.

Everything he says is unrealistic and imaginary.

Progress is being made - Serbia now agrees customs should be collected, it just wants to determine how they are spent.

Ok, progress, if not perfection.

There's always a reason for Serbs not to participate in elections. Now Bogdanovic is saying that if UN or EU organize elections they would participate. What about the previous elections where UNMIK organized elections, what was the reason then? May god find a solution for K-Serbs.

'Serb policy towards Kosovo is full of contradictions'

That's right mr village bey it's government in disarray that will have to hop on to early elections only it doesnt want to. Lets wait for nikolic and see what things really look like shall we.
But you know
'We cannot work under patronage of Pieter Feith, but we are prepared to talk to Eulex'

Its not so much the fault of this poor, poor guy. it's the devious nature of the exercise :) faith has one mind in ico and another in eulex. It's hilarious and sad at the same time. whats that thing on letterman, human tricks something? Cant remember right now but it springs to mind :)

Ron,
Yes things used to be this and that. By books, yes, there should have been an agreement, but Russia's threat of a veto did not allow for that. Don't forget that Kosovo had to agree with any prescribed status. Under this reality, why not independence. Even UN is operating on a bases 'status neutral'.

The establishment of elections for an autonomous govt is one of the core goals of 1244. Over the last few weeks the true goal from Holland has appeared to show anti-Albanianism instead of any possible defender of "International law". True colors rarely stay hidden

wherever we live we need to vote, and we need to be smart about it. i encourage albanian people and any other minority members to vote in serbia (if you live there), in bosnia, etc. but just pls vote for the future, not the (worst of the) past.

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 27 July 2009 06:03)
You should speak so before because now its too late for that. Serbs will not participate in these elections of illegal Snake-Haradinaj, goverment. I agree that extremists and people that support double-standard policy toward Serbs will in way be persuaded

They say if you vote you can complain if you don't then you must shut up.

>>International Law is more but some lines on a map. It primarily base on Human Rights which Serbia clearly violated the whole 90s...>>

Thank you, Berkely, as always. Yr posting makes perfect sense but i don't think we shall convince our most extreme opponents, now or ever. sometimes you have to accept such things.

however, i would like to appeal to all the eligible voters of kosovo/a to vote, period, and hopefully for the best candidates, not just more nationalists, of any variety. but people of integrity, and i am sure there are some.

wherever we live we need to vote, and we need to be smart about it. i encourage albanian people and any other minority members to vote in serbia (if you live there), in bosnia, etc. but just pls vote for the future, not the (worst of the) past.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

Again: if Kosovo provincial government does not state that Kosovo is still part of Serbia, Serbs and all others should not participate in these fake elections!

May I remind you all that Albanians in Serbia boycotted elections for decades!

To all in Kosovo: do NOT participate in these fake elecctions.

SAVE INTERNATIONAL LAW!! Which is so much more important then Kosovo!

Why? Because they wouldnt choose you mr Bogdanović if you were running?

International Law is more but some lines on a map. It primarily base on Human Rights which Serbia clearly violated the whole 90s. That is sin which lead us here and that is what all people really should complain about. A human life is more worth than line on a map or a monastary. Serbia forfeithed its right by doing this crimes. Even International Law mentiones that a population has right to uprise against a suppressive regime like the one under Milosevic. So even according that the Albanians are on the right side to claim independence after that horrible atrocities comitted by officials of Serbia. There are UN verdicts against high ranking officials of Serbia. That is the judicial proof that Serbia committed crimes against the Albanian population. In the end, the ICJ will confirm that secession was right, especially after mentioning 1244 in which it is stated that there will be status talks. Well, we had status talks and those are now over. Arthisaari was elected by the UNSC. If some had something against him, they should have thought about this in the first place, or delete the passage of 1244 in which is stated that there will be status talks.
(Berkeley, 26 July 2009 17:38)

Tell me Berkeley,

Why is the West shielding the likes of Thaci, Ceku and Haradinaj? These men were also guilty of war crimes yet in the case of Agim Ceku he was allowed to escape justice despite the overwhelming evidence against him. In Haradinaj's case, important prosecution witnesses were either intimidated into giving evidence at the trial or assassinated. How convenient!

Secondly, you talk about Serbia forfeiting its right to rule Kosovo, etc. etc. There is no doubt that crimes were committed....by all sides but why be so selective. Why focus on the crimes of the Yugoslav police and army and not those of the KLA who murdered, tortured and extracted organs from their opponents, many of them Serbs and Roma. 300,000 Serbs, Roma, Jews, Gorani, Montenegrins and other non Albanians have been ehnically cleansed from Kosmet and can never return to their homes. Do they not register a jot in your 'moral indignation'? Where is the justice in that?

I also note a glaring absence in your reply regarding Croatia and no mention on Zagreb to give up Kraijina after they ethnic cleansed 250,000 Serbs, murdering thousands of innocent Serb civilians in the process. Hasnt Croatia also forfeited its right to rule there as well? Are the innocent Serb civilians lives worth a lot less in your self righteous indignation that those of non Serbs?

I would agree with your analysis somewhat if it didn't stink to high heaven of double standards, racism and hypocricy.

International Law unfortunatley for the KLA fascists is on Serbia's side. There is no provision for in International Law for Pristina's UDD. It was ILLEGAL and no iridentist and chauvanistic land grab will ever hide that or your true agenda.

No one will be forced to take or not to take part in the local election. The invitation to be represented is open. I have one simple request. Don't blame the others for your "misfortunes".
(EA, 26 July 2009 15:07)

EA, then take part in Serbian elections now. As Kosovo is a Serbian province.

All in the whole of Serbia should participate in creating a better future for all!

Bill,

1244 states that Kosovo is part of Serbia. You may not like that, but that's the case!

Again: don't vote in these fake elections!
Five billion people on earth are much more important then a few million Kosovars! It is about international law!

"if Kosovo provincial government does not state that Kosovo is still part of Serbia, Serbs and all others should not participate in these fake elections!"


"Ron" the whole point is to have serbs self-rule. If they don't a Bosniak, Roma or a Montenegrin might win the votes and become a "leader."

K-Albs are not going to lie and say that Kosova is part of Serbia, if half of Serbs don't vote that's 2% of the total population, not a big deal. Serbs can boycott elections and especially KEK all they want. life goes on.

What's up with Bogdanovic discriminating: in what state does custom money go to a specific ethnic group of people? Even if you assume that Kosovo je Serbija, why?

This is all a money saving exercise for the minister. The measure of success of his ministry rests on his RSD 100mn saved. The rest is political bravado without any substance.
He says,,,,We have a united policy against participation in these elections but won’t prohibit those who want to take part. We don’t have moral authority to ask people to pay, but accept that they should pay. We cannot work under patronage of Pieter Feith, but we are prepared to talk to Eulex.
Serb policy towards Kosova is full of contradictions and these statements are no exception.

There's always a reason for Serbs not to participate in elections. Now Bogdanovic is saying that if UN or EU organize elections they would participate. What about the previous elections where UNMIK organized elections, what was the reason then? May god find a solution for K-Serbs.

SAVE INTERNATIONAL LAW!! Which is so much more important then Kosovo!
(Ron, 26 July 2009 14:11)

International Law is more but some lines on a map. It primarily base on Human Rights which Serbia clearly violated the whole 90s. That is sin which lead us here and that is what all people really should complain about. A human life is more worth than line on a map or a monastary. Serbia forfeithed its right by doing this crimes. Even International Law mentiones that a population has right to uprise against a suppressive regime like the one under Milosevic. So even according that the Albanians are on the right side to claim independence after that horrible atrocities comitted by officials of Serbia. There are UN verdicts against high ranking officials of Serbia. That is the judicial proof that Serbia committed crimes against the Albanian population. In the end, the ICJ will confirm that secession was right, especially after mentioning 1244 in which it is stated that there will be status talks. Well, we had status talks and those are now over. Arthisaari was elected by the UNSC. If some had something against him, they should have thought about this in the first place, or delete the passage of 1244 in which is stated that there will be status talks.

No one will be forced to take or not to take part in the local election. The invitation to be represented is open. I have one simple request. Don't blame the others for your "misfortunes".

What international law, Ron? You might be referring to R1244. This resolution infers that Kosovo is one and it does not provide for any relationships to Serbia for any of Kosovo's ethnic groups.

"To all in Kosovo: do NOT participate in these fake elecctions.

SAVE INTERNATIONAL LAW!! Which is so much more important then Kosovo!
(Ron, 26 July 2009 14:11)"

You must be so far from kosovo that your voice wont be heared. And importance is relavent. Serbia spited at Int. law for a while.

Kosovo has universal suffrage. all the people who are concerned with how day to day functions should vote to apear at the map of politics.

Everything he says is unrealistic and imaginary.

'SAVE INTERNATIONAL LAW!! Which is so much more important then Kosovo!
(Ron, 26 July 2009 14:11) '

And if the ICJ rules that Kosovo's UDI was in fact legal, will you demand (in caps) that Serbia immediately recognize it?

>>International Law is more but some lines on a map. It primarily base on Human Rights which Serbia clearly violated the whole 90s...>>

Thank you, Berkely, as always. Yr posting makes perfect sense but i don't think we shall convince our most extreme opponents, now or ever. sometimes you have to accept such things.

however, i would like to appeal to all the eligible voters of kosovo/a to vote, period, and hopefully for the best candidates, not just more nationalists, of any variety. but people of integrity, and i am sure there are some.

wherever we live we need to vote, and we need to be smart about it. i encourage albanian people and any other minority members to vote in serbia (if you live there), in bosnia, etc. but just pls vote for the future, not the (worst of the) past.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

They say if you vote you can complain if you don't then you must shut up.

Ron,
Yes things used to be this and that. By books, yes, there should have been an agreement, but Russia's threat of a veto did not allow for that. Don't forget that Kosovo had to agree with any prescribed status. Under this reality, why not independence. Even UN is operating on a bases 'status neutral'.

The establishment of elections for an autonomous govt is one of the core goals of 1244. Over the last few weeks the true goal from Holland has appeared to show anti-Albanianism instead of any possible defender of "International law". True colors rarely stay hidden

Berkeley - what a "horrible attrocities"?? Maybe You read US propaganda press from 1999 "half milion of Albanians killed by Serbs"?? Where are this "half milion"??

And - do You think about US government who support TERRORIST group UCK (group who kills lot of civilians) for creation an "independent" country?? Do You think about US hypocrits, who doing nothing when Albanians expelled hundreds of thousands non-albanians from Kosovo??

Mr Athisaari signed ANY LEGAL DEAL between Serbia and pseudogovernment of Kosovo - so his "Plan" is only some paper - nothing more. UN Resolution 1244 is still ONLY LEGAL INTERNATIONAL DOCUMENT - and according to this resolution Kosovo is legal part of Serbia. So - UDI from 2008 break international law.

Citizens of Serbia who still live on the territory of Kosovo - according law - don't must participate in ANY elections or institutions of ILLEGAL STATE.

Progress is being made - Serbia now agrees customs should be collected, it just wants to determine how they are spent.

Ok, progress, if not perfection.

'Serb policy towards Kosovo is full of contradictions'

That's right mr village bey it's government in disarray that will have to hop on to early elections only it doesnt want to. Lets wait for nikolic and see what things really look like shall we.
But you know
'We cannot work under patronage of Pieter Feith, but we are prepared to talk to Eulex'

Its not so much the fault of this poor, poor guy. it's the devious nature of the exercise :) faith has one mind in ico and another in eulex. It's hilarious and sad at the same time. whats that thing on letterman, human tricks something? Cant remember right now but it springs to mind :)

wherever we live we need to vote, and we need to be smart about it. i encourage albanian people and any other minority members to vote in serbia (if you live there), in bosnia, etc. but just pls vote for the future, not the (worst of the) past.

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 27 July 2009 06:03)
You should speak so before because now its too late for that. Serbs will not participate in these elections of illegal Snake-Haradinaj, goverment. I agree that extremists and people that support double-standard policy toward Serbs will in way be persuaded