albanian will just go back to nish where they were a majority ,just like in toplica,sandjak,before you did expel them in the 19 century.
Don't worry,we take our time,but we never forget!
We don't have to buy these lands:they belong to us according to the lausanne treaty,that you never respected!
don't worry,international laws did not began just with resolution favorable to serbia!
This is what the environmentalists would like to see happen world-wide - leave as much open space as possible. (And BTW, do you have any idea where the populations of those deserted Serbian villages packed themselves into?)
(Amer, 26 July 2009 20:05)
They certainly are not in Pristina, Gnjilane, Pec, or Prizren... I can tell you that. Many are IDPs in Serbia proper and others are in North Mitrovica where there is not an overcrowding problem. As for population density, yes, Kosovo is more dnese than Serbia proper but still not overcrowded. Mountains aside, just drive from Mitrovica to the Macedonian border and one can see unused land the entire way. I don't need statistics to tell me otherwise.
"Second, you should know that regardless of what EU says, they do not control property rights. There will be no large scale migration of Albanians to Serbia."
There is now a Serbian law (maybe only for Kosovo?) that a Serb cannot sell property to a K-Albanian - another "Serbian" citizen. Can you imagine the EU going for that? If Kosovo decided to rejoin Serbia, its Albanians could start buying up some of those empty villages in South Serbia that are alarming the demographers. Under whatever kind of autonomy they would bargain for, they could sell the properties emptied out in Kosovo to Albanians from Albania.
"Third, how can you possibly say Kosovo is overpopulated???"
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density) - a list of population densities by country - the population of Kosovo (570 per sq mi) is twice that of Serbia (ex Kosovo) (260/mi2). Albania's figures are closer to those of Serbia, but much of its land is mountainous - and in a rural society, only arable land is important.
"The only places that are overpopulated are the three or four main cities that Albanians keep packing themselves into. "
This is what the environmentalists would like to see happen world-wide - leave as much open space as possible. (And BTW, do you have any idea where the populations of those deserted Serbian villages packed themselves into?)
Second, no partition is possible. Serbia said so, Albanians said so, Contact Group said so.
Third, within 10-5 years everyone will be in EU and in EU anyone can move around and buy land /farms in any state. Kosova and Albania are overcrowded and land costs a lot. If neighbors have cheap farm land, the Albanians will probably buy it. It's nearly impossible to find 1 HA lots in Albania, land is scarce. Is it hard to buy a 2-10 HA farm in Serbia?
First, it is obvious you have not been to North Mitrovica, Zvecan, or Lepsavic... there is already a partition in effect. You may see a few of our EULEX cars around, but otherwise you cannot tell if you are in Zvecan or some other part of Serbia. Deal with it.
Second, you should know that regardless of what EU says, they do not control property rights. There will be no large scale migration of Albanians to Serbia.
Third, how can you possibly say Kosovo is overpopulated??? That is a joke. The only places that are overpopulated are the three or four main cities that Albanians keep packing themselves into. The vast majority of Kosovo is open land - end of story. This American can see all this, why can't you?
this is the same all over the civilised world. it's hardly news. and of course though different nationalities we are all serbian citizens, serbs, albanians.. and 22 other nationalities that live in our beautiful country if i'm not mistaken :) so birthrate's lower in one part of our serbia, like in sumadija, higher in another like in kosovo.. it's fine.
It is obvious that your above statement represents your wishful thinking as that is exactly what illegal Albanian emigrants and emigration have done in Kosovo from 1945 on."(dean van der serbia, 25 July 2009 17:57)
What are you talking about?
There was never any big migration of Albanians to Kosovo in the 19th-century.
“...This of course will be impossible if Kosovo for some reason decides to rejoin Serbia. If for no other reason, I would expect Serbia to accept an independent Kosovo with relief. Do Serbs really want to become a minority in their own land?
(Amer, 25 July 2009 19:27...”
Answer: Lot of Serbs still do react emotional and non-racional concerning the Kosovo issue due to the fact that our ancient land and territory is raped on the most brutal way from us by the terror of Kosovo Albanians extremists. Also prior to ICJ decision and preparing for the future partitions settlement, both sides are firing “the best they can war of words” in order to acquire better negotiating positions for the final settlement.
Probably and after the Court decision by ICJ in the case of “Serbia against the international recognitions of Kosovo””, which will be by the way most probably neutral, Serbian Government and media will try to create different political envirovement in order to allow Serbs to accept and live with “International unJustice” concerning the Kosovo independence and to try to finally diplomatically resolve that case which would include partition of Kosovo along the ethnical lines and possible exchange of some territories in order to avoid future ethnical disturbances.
For me dear Amer, the fact are very clear and I certainly do not want to be in the minority in my own Country. I am very much ready to lose the single battle and the part of Kosovo to the ethnic Albanians in order to preserve Serbian ethnical and cultural right to their own territory and in that way win the “War”. For the most of the Serbs this will be also an open and acceptable option after ICJ rulings.
'Serbian relevant Laws will certainly address the issues of Albanian uncontrolled demographics and disable Albanians of buying the land in the border Regions. '
This of course will be impossible if Kosovo for some reason decides to rejoin Serbia. If for no other reason, I would expect Serbia to accept an independent Kosovo with relief. Do Serbs really want to become a minority in their own land?
“...If you look at raw birth rate of nationalities who are predominantly muslim you see this ridiculously high birth rate with the exception of India. In Christian Europe and the most developed parts of Asia-pacific and birth rates have leveled off or have dropped to below population replacement levels.
(AAA, 25 July 2009 17:13)...”
Answer: This is very much the truth, but relevant American and EU Authorities are very much aware of the fact and they are doing the legal steps to reverse the trend of increasing the percentage of Muslim population in their Countries.
Feel free to search and find on the Web “Muslim Demographics” Statement which elaborates the issue.
Simply said Muslims are free to exercise as much as they wish their policies of high birth rate, but inside their native Countries borders and Muslim emigration to the Christian Countries will be legally undermined and limited due to the Right of every Country to preserve its ethnical identity and cultural primacy inside its own borders.
If you look at raw birth rate of nationalities who are predominantly muslim you see this ridiculously high birth rate with the exception of India. In Christian Europe and the most developed parts of Asia-pacific and birth rates have leveled off or have dropped to below population replacement levels.
“...I am appalled by this seemingly racist attitude. Aren't Albanians your citizens too? What's Tadic and Jeremic talking about then?
Second, no partition is possible. Serbia said so, Albanians said so, Contact Group said so...”
Answer: Following the decades of unsolved ethnical conflict between Serbs and Kosovo Albanians which resulted in demographic deletion of Serbs from their own territory due to the uncontrolled high birth rate by Kosovo Albanians and “the state supported terrorism by Kosovo Albanians communist leaders with green light by Tito” back in the period 1945-1980 only single step for the Republic of Serbia, in order to preserve International and Gods given right to their own territory, is the clear and final demographic and geographic separation with ethnic Albanians. That is the only way to overcome future conflicts of the same kind and will promote Serbian regional commitment for peace.
Additionally every political step which will bring the final and lasting peace to the Region is very much possible and recommendable and idea of the partition is already diplomatically openly suggested, for example, by Dutch FM Maxime Verhagen so consequently subject of partition will be coming to the negotiating table in the short due of the time.
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“...Third, within 10-5 years everyone will be in EU and in EU anyone can move around and buy land /farms in any state. Kosova and Albania are overcrowded and land costs a lot. If neighbors have cheap farm land, the Albanians will probably buy it. It's nearly impossible to find 1 HA lots in Albania, land is scarce. Is it hard to buy a 2-10 HA farm in Serbia?
We have no problem living in a farm and the neighbors benefit by having their land used and products in the market. Win win, right?
(aRTA, 25 July 2009 15:17)...”
Answer: For every average Serbian your statement that “the land is cheaper in Serbia” and that the Albanians are planning to buy it in the future because they “need the space” is one genuine brain insult.
If Albanian do need “living space” then they have their own Country to enjoy it and they may emigrate to “friendly” US if the US are willing to accept you, but we, as the Serbs, do have our right to protect our bare existence on our own territory and to be aware of Albanian uncontrollable demographics which already cost us unpayable.
It is obvious that your above statement represents your wishful thinking as that is exactly what illegal Albanian emigrants and emigration have done in Kosovo from 1945 on. For your enlightenment Serbia will not allow 1 square centimetre of its land to be sold illegally and under the pressure of violence and murders.
Concerning your claim concerning Serbia’s and Kosovo in coloration with EU, I may foresee possible Serbian membership in EU in 5 to 10 years, but EU consensus about Kosovo’s or Albanian joining of EU does not exist. In the best case scenario for this State and the renegade Province it may take few decades before they are allowed any integration with Europe though it may very possibly ends up just like in the case of Turkey, with complete failure and fiasco.
As well I would like to enlighten your knowledge about EU and its Laws and the concrete “right of buying the land and property” : every EU State (and it is done in the numbers of the cases in Czech Republic, Poland, Italy... and Switzerland and candidates like Croatia) can regulate the Laws concerning the selling of its land to the foreigners according to their National interests and EU does not have a say in it. Serbian relevant Laws will certainly address the issues of Albanian uncontrolled demographics and disable Albanians of buying the land in the border Regions.
Finally, in contrary with any idea of racist attitude, I do certainly wish Albanian citizens best prosperity for the present and future, but very much inside the borders of their own Country.
"This information by Health Ministry should be the sole and main reason for the immediate act of Serbia’s diplomacy and providing the final step in resolving the Kosovo issue.
Partition and clear and define geographic and demographic separation of two ethnical groups is the must for Serbia otherwise, in the following few decades, Serbia will be facing demographic loss of another part of their territory, namely Sothern Serbia, due to the galloping high Albanian birth rate which is highest in the Europe."
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I am appalled by this seemingly racist attitude. Aren't Albanians your citizens too? What's Tadic and Jeremic talking about then?
Second, no partition is possible. Serbia said so, Albanians said so, Contact Group said so.
Third, within 10-5 years everyone will be in EU and in EU anyone can move around and buy land /farms in any state. Kosova and Albania are overcrowded and land costs a lot. If neighbors have cheap farm land, the Albanians will probably buy it. It's nearly impossible to find 1 HA lots in Albania, land is scarce. Is it hard to buy a 2-10 HA farm in Serbia?
We have no problem living in a farm and the neighbors benefit by having their land used and products in the market. Win win, right?
I think the good doctor forgot to mention diseases linked to the mountains of depleted uranium dropped on our population by nato.God bless Serbia and our holy church.
This trend is seen all over eastern block countries. Health and prevention programs must be put into place to address issues of preventable diseases, alcoholism and promotion of reproduction in the areas where the birth rate is low.
This information by Health Ministry should be the sole and main reason for the immediate act of Serbia’s diplomacy and providing the final step in resolving the Kosovo issue.
Partition and clear and define geographic and demographic separation of two ethnical groups is the must for Serbia otherwise, in the following few decades, Serbia will be facing demographic loss of another part of their territory, namely Sothern Serbia, due to the galloping high Albanian birth rate which is highest in the Europe.
BELGRADE -- A Health Ministry report says that from 1997 to 2007, the birthrate per 1,000 people dropped to 9.2 from 10.5.
In the same period, the State of Health of the Serbian Population report stated, the average age grew to 41.1 from 39.2 years.
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Impossible, Kosova has average of 28 so how can Serbia as a whole have 42? Unless, once again you didn't count Kosova.
This information by Health Ministry should be the sole and main reason for the immediate act of Serbia’s diplomacy and providing the final step in resolving the Kosovo issue.
Partition and clear and define geographic and demographic separation of two ethnical groups is the must for Serbia otherwise, in the following few decades, Serbia will be facing demographic loss of another part of their territory, namely Sothern Serbia, due to the galloping high Albanian birth rate which is highest in the Europe.
I think the good doctor forgot to mention diseases linked to the mountains of depleted uranium dropped on our population by nato.God bless Serbia and our holy church.
BELGRADE -- A Health Ministry report says that from 1997 to 2007, the birthrate per 1,000 people dropped to 9.2 from 10.5.
In the same period, the State of Health of the Serbian Population report stated, the average age grew to 41.1 from 39.2 years.
---
Impossible, Kosova has average of 28 so how can Serbia as a whole have 42? Unless, once again you didn't count Kosova.
'Serbian relevant Laws will certainly address the issues of Albanian uncontrolled demographics and disable Albanians of buying the land in the border Regions. '
This of course will be impossible if Kosovo for some reason decides to rejoin Serbia. If for no other reason, I would expect Serbia to accept an independent Kosovo with relief. Do Serbs really want to become a minority in their own land?
This trend is seen all over eastern block countries. Health and prevention programs must be put into place to address issues of preventable diseases, alcoholism and promotion of reproduction in the areas where the birth rate is low.
"This information by Health Ministry should be the sole and main reason for the immediate act of Serbia’s diplomacy and providing the final step in resolving the Kosovo issue.
Partition and clear and define geographic and demographic separation of two ethnical groups is the must for Serbia otherwise, in the following few decades, Serbia will be facing demographic loss of another part of their territory, namely Sothern Serbia, due to the galloping high Albanian birth rate which is highest in the Europe."
---
I am appalled by this seemingly racist attitude. Aren't Albanians your citizens too? What's Tadic and Jeremic talking about then?
Second, no partition is possible. Serbia said so, Albanians said so, Contact Group said so.
Third, within 10-5 years everyone will be in EU and in EU anyone can move around and buy land /farms in any state. Kosova and Albania are overcrowded and land costs a lot. If neighbors have cheap farm land, the Albanians will probably buy it. It's nearly impossible to find 1 HA lots in Albania, land is scarce. Is it hard to buy a 2-10 HA farm in Serbia?
We have no problem living in a farm and the neighbors benefit by having their land used and products in the market. Win win, right?
It is obvious that your above statement represents your wishful thinking as that is exactly what illegal Albanian emigrants and emigration have done in Kosovo from 1945 on."(dean van der serbia, 25 July 2009 17:57)
What are you talking about?
There was never any big migration of Albanians to Kosovo in the 19th-century.
“...I am appalled by this seemingly racist attitude. Aren't Albanians your citizens too? What's Tadic and Jeremic talking about then?
Second, no partition is possible. Serbia said so, Albanians said so, Contact Group said so...”
Answer: Following the decades of unsolved ethnical conflict between Serbs and Kosovo Albanians which resulted in demographic deletion of Serbs from their own territory due to the uncontrolled high birth rate by Kosovo Albanians and “the state supported terrorism by Kosovo Albanians communist leaders with green light by Tito” back in the period 1945-1980 only single step for the Republic of Serbia, in order to preserve International and Gods given right to their own territory, is the clear and final demographic and geographic separation with ethnic Albanians. That is the only way to overcome future conflicts of the same kind and will promote Serbian regional commitment for peace.
Additionally every political step which will bring the final and lasting peace to the Region is very much possible and recommendable and idea of the partition is already diplomatically openly suggested, for example, by Dutch FM Maxime Verhagen so consequently subject of partition will be coming to the negotiating table in the short due of the time.
@@@ by aRTA
“...Third, within 10-5 years everyone will be in EU and in EU anyone can move around and buy land /farms in any state. Kosova and Albania are overcrowded and land costs a lot. If neighbors have cheap farm land, the Albanians will probably buy it. It's nearly impossible to find 1 HA lots in Albania, land is scarce. Is it hard to buy a 2-10 HA farm in Serbia?
We have no problem living in a farm and the neighbors benefit by having their land used and products in the market. Win win, right?
(aRTA, 25 July 2009 15:17)...”
Answer: For every average Serbian your statement that “the land is cheaper in Serbia” and that the Albanians are planning to buy it in the future because they “need the space” is one genuine brain insult.
If Albanian do need “living space” then they have their own Country to enjoy it and they may emigrate to “friendly” US if the US are willing to accept you, but we, as the Serbs, do have our right to protect our bare existence on our own territory and to be aware of Albanian uncontrollable demographics which already cost us unpayable.
It is obvious that your above statement represents your wishful thinking as that is exactly what illegal Albanian emigrants and emigration have done in Kosovo from 1945 on. For your enlightenment Serbia will not allow 1 square centimetre of its land to be sold illegally and under the pressure of violence and murders.
Concerning your claim concerning Serbia’s and Kosovo in coloration with EU, I may foresee possible Serbian membership in EU in 5 to 10 years, but EU consensus about Kosovo’s or Albanian joining of EU does not exist. In the best case scenario for this State and the renegade Province it may take few decades before they are allowed any integration with Europe though it may very possibly ends up just like in the case of Turkey, with complete failure and fiasco.
As well I would like to enlighten your knowledge about EU and its Laws and the concrete “right of buying the land and property” : every EU State (and it is done in the numbers of the cases in Czech Republic, Poland, Italy... and Switzerland and candidates like Croatia) can regulate the Laws concerning the selling of its land to the foreigners according to their National interests and EU does not have a say in it. Serbian relevant Laws will certainly address the issues of Albanian uncontrolled demographics and disable Albanians of buying the land in the border Regions.
Finally, in contrary with any idea of racist attitude, I do certainly wish Albanian citizens best prosperity for the present and future, but very much inside the borders of their own Country.
If you look at raw birth rate of nationalities who are predominantly muslim you see this ridiculously high birth rate with the exception of India. In Christian Europe and the most developed parts of Asia-pacific and birth rates have leveled off or have dropped to below population replacement levels.
“...If you look at raw birth rate of nationalities who are predominantly muslim you see this ridiculously high birth rate with the exception of India. In Christian Europe and the most developed parts of Asia-pacific and birth rates have leveled off or have dropped to below population replacement levels.
(AAA, 25 July 2009 17:13)...”
Answer: This is very much the truth, but relevant American and EU Authorities are very much aware of the fact and they are doing the legal steps to reverse the trend of increasing the percentage of Muslim population in their Countries.
Feel free to search and find on the Web “Muslim Demographics” Statement which elaborates the issue.
Simply said Muslims are free to exercise as much as they wish their policies of high birth rate, but inside their native Countries borders and Muslim emigration to the Christian Countries will be legally undermined and limited due to the Right of every Country to preserve its ethnical identity and cultural primacy inside its own borders.
this is the same all over the civilised world. it's hardly news. and of course though different nationalities we are all serbian citizens, serbs, albanians.. and 22 other nationalities that live in our beautiful country if i'm not mistaken :) so birthrate's lower in one part of our serbia, like in sumadija, higher in another like in kosovo.. it's fine.
“...This of course will be impossible if Kosovo for some reason decides to rejoin Serbia. If for no other reason, I would expect Serbia to accept an independent Kosovo with relief. Do Serbs really want to become a minority in their own land?
(Amer, 25 July 2009 19:27...”
Answer: Lot of Serbs still do react emotional and non-racional concerning the Kosovo issue due to the fact that our ancient land and territory is raped on the most brutal way from us by the terror of Kosovo Albanians extremists. Also prior to ICJ decision and preparing for the future partitions settlement, both sides are firing “the best they can war of words” in order to acquire better negotiating positions for the final settlement.
Probably and after the Court decision by ICJ in the case of “Serbia against the international recognitions of Kosovo””, which will be by the way most probably neutral, Serbian Government and media will try to create different political envirovement in order to allow Serbs to accept and live with “International unJustice” concerning the Kosovo independence and to try to finally diplomatically resolve that case which would include partition of Kosovo along the ethnical lines and possible exchange of some territories in order to avoid future ethnical disturbances.
For me dear Amer, the fact are very clear and I certainly do not want to be in the minority in my own Country. I am very much ready to lose the single battle and the part of Kosovo to the ethnic Albanians in order to preserve Serbian ethnical and cultural right to their own territory and in that way win the “War”. For the most of the Serbs this will be also an open and acceptable option after ICJ rulings.
Second, no partition is possible. Serbia said so, Albanians said so, Contact Group said so.
Third, within 10-5 years everyone will be in EU and in EU anyone can move around and buy land /farms in any state. Kosova and Albania are overcrowded and land costs a lot. If neighbors have cheap farm land, the Albanians will probably buy it. It's nearly impossible to find 1 HA lots in Albania, land is scarce. Is it hard to buy a 2-10 HA farm in Serbia?
First, it is obvious you have not been to North Mitrovica, Zvecan, or Lepsavic... there is already a partition in effect. You may see a few of our EULEX cars around, but otherwise you cannot tell if you are in Zvecan or some other part of Serbia. Deal with it.
Second, you should know that regardless of what EU says, they do not control property rights. There will be no large scale migration of Albanians to Serbia.
Third, how can you possibly say Kosovo is overpopulated??? That is a joke. The only places that are overpopulated are the three or four main cities that Albanians keep packing themselves into. The vast majority of Kosovo is open land - end of story. This American can see all this, why can't you?
This is what the environmentalists would like to see happen world-wide - leave as much open space as possible. (And BTW, do you have any idea where the populations of those deserted Serbian villages packed themselves into?)
(Amer, 26 July 2009 20:05)
They certainly are not in Pristina, Gnjilane, Pec, or Prizren... I can tell you that. Many are IDPs in Serbia proper and others are in North Mitrovica where there is not an overcrowding problem. As for population density, yes, Kosovo is more dnese than Serbia proper but still not overcrowded. Mountains aside, just drive from Mitrovica to the Macedonian border and one can see unused land the entire way. I don't need statistics to tell me otherwise.
albanian will just go back to nish where they were a majority ,just like in toplica,sandjak,before you did expel them in the 19 century.
Don't worry,we take our time,but we never forget!
We don't have to buy these lands:they belong to us according to the lausanne treaty,that you never respected!
don't worry,international laws did not began just with resolution favorable to serbia!
"Second, you should know that regardless of what EU says, they do not control property rights. There will be no large scale migration of Albanians to Serbia."
There is now a Serbian law (maybe only for Kosovo?) that a Serb cannot sell property to a K-Albanian - another "Serbian" citizen. Can you imagine the EU going for that? If Kosovo decided to rejoin Serbia, its Albanians could start buying up some of those empty villages in South Serbia that are alarming the demographers. Under whatever kind of autonomy they would bargain for, they could sell the properties emptied out in Kosovo to Albanians from Albania.
"Third, how can you possibly say Kosovo is overpopulated???"
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density) - a list of population densities by country - the population of Kosovo (570 per sq mi) is twice that of Serbia (ex Kosovo) (260/mi2). Albania's figures are closer to those of Serbia, but much of its land is mountainous - and in a rural society, only arable land is important.
"The only places that are overpopulated are the three or four main cities that Albanians keep packing themselves into. "
This is what the environmentalists would like to see happen world-wide - leave as much open space as possible. (And BTW, do you have any idea where the populations of those deserted Serbian villages packed themselves into?)
I think the good doctor forgot to mention diseases linked to the mountains of depleted uranium dropped on our population by nato.God bless Serbia and our holy church.
BELGRADE -- A Health Ministry report says that from 1997 to 2007, the birthrate per 1,000 people dropped to 9.2 from 10.5.
In the same period, the State of Health of the Serbian Population report stated, the average age grew to 41.1 from 39.2 years.
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Impossible, Kosova has average of 28 so how can Serbia as a whole have 42? Unless, once again you didn't count Kosova.
"This information by Health Ministry should be the sole and main reason for the immediate act of Serbia’s diplomacy and providing the final step in resolving the Kosovo issue.
Partition and clear and define geographic and demographic separation of two ethnical groups is the must for Serbia otherwise, in the following few decades, Serbia will be facing demographic loss of another part of their territory, namely Sothern Serbia, due to the galloping high Albanian birth rate which is highest in the Europe."
---
I am appalled by this seemingly racist attitude. Aren't Albanians your citizens too? What's Tadic and Jeremic talking about then?
Second, no partition is possible. Serbia said so, Albanians said so, Contact Group said so.
Third, within 10-5 years everyone will be in EU and in EU anyone can move around and buy land /farms in any state. Kosova and Albania are overcrowded and land costs a lot. If neighbors have cheap farm land, the Albanians will probably buy it. It's nearly impossible to find 1 HA lots in Albania, land is scarce. Is it hard to buy a 2-10 HA farm in Serbia?
We have no problem living in a farm and the neighbors benefit by having their land used and products in the market. Win win, right?
“...I am appalled by this seemingly racist attitude. Aren't Albanians your citizens too? What's Tadic and Jeremic talking about then?
Second, no partition is possible. Serbia said so, Albanians said so, Contact Group said so...”
Answer: Following the decades of unsolved ethnical conflict between Serbs and Kosovo Albanians which resulted in demographic deletion of Serbs from their own territory due to the uncontrolled high birth rate by Kosovo Albanians and “the state supported terrorism by Kosovo Albanians communist leaders with green light by Tito” back in the period 1945-1980 only single step for the Republic of Serbia, in order to preserve International and Gods given right to their own territory, is the clear and final demographic and geographic separation with ethnic Albanians. That is the only way to overcome future conflicts of the same kind and will promote Serbian regional commitment for peace.
Additionally every political step which will bring the final and lasting peace to the Region is very much possible and recommendable and idea of the partition is already diplomatically openly suggested, for example, by Dutch FM Maxime Verhagen so consequently subject of partition will be coming to the negotiating table in the short due of the time.
@@@ by aRTA
“...Third, within 10-5 years everyone will be in EU and in EU anyone can move around and buy land /farms in any state. Kosova and Albania are overcrowded and land costs a lot. If neighbors have cheap farm land, the Albanians will probably buy it. It's nearly impossible to find 1 HA lots in Albania, land is scarce. Is it hard to buy a 2-10 HA farm in Serbia?
We have no problem living in a farm and the neighbors benefit by having their land used and products in the market. Win win, right?
(aRTA, 25 July 2009 15:17)...”
Answer: For every average Serbian your statement that “the land is cheaper in Serbia” and that the Albanians are planning to buy it in the future because they “need the space” is one genuine brain insult.
If Albanian do need “living space” then they have their own Country to enjoy it and they may emigrate to “friendly” US if the US are willing to accept you, but we, as the Serbs, do have our right to protect our bare existence on our own territory and to be aware of Albanian uncontrollable demographics which already cost us unpayable.
It is obvious that your above statement represents your wishful thinking as that is exactly what illegal Albanian emigrants and emigration have done in Kosovo from 1945 on. For your enlightenment Serbia will not allow 1 square centimetre of its land to be sold illegally and under the pressure of violence and murders.
Concerning your claim concerning Serbia’s and Kosovo in coloration with EU, I may foresee possible Serbian membership in EU in 5 to 10 years, but EU consensus about Kosovo’s or Albanian joining of EU does not exist. In the best case scenario for this State and the renegade Province it may take few decades before they are allowed any integration with Europe though it may very possibly ends up just like in the case of Turkey, with complete failure and fiasco.
As well I would like to enlighten your knowledge about EU and its Laws and the concrete “right of buying the land and property” : every EU State (and it is done in the numbers of the cases in Czech Republic, Poland, Italy... and Switzerland and candidates like Croatia) can regulate the Laws concerning the selling of its land to the foreigners according to their National interests and EU does not have a say in it. Serbian relevant Laws will certainly address the issues of Albanian uncontrolled demographics and disable Albanians of buying the land in the border Regions.
Finally, in contrary with any idea of racist attitude, I do certainly wish Albanian citizens best prosperity for the present and future, but very much inside the borders of their own Country.
It is obvious that your above statement represents your wishful thinking as that is exactly what illegal Albanian emigrants and emigration have done in Kosovo from 1945 on."(dean van der serbia, 25 July 2009 17:57)
What are you talking about?
There was never any big migration of Albanians to Kosovo in the 19th-century.
This information by Health Ministry should be the sole and main reason for the immediate act of Serbia’s diplomacy and providing the final step in resolving the Kosovo issue.
Partition and clear and define geographic and demographic separation of two ethnical groups is the must for Serbia otherwise, in the following few decades, Serbia will be facing demographic loss of another part of their territory, namely Sothern Serbia, due to the galloping high Albanian birth rate which is highest in the Europe.
“...If you look at raw birth rate of nationalities who are predominantly muslim you see this ridiculously high birth rate with the exception of India. In Christian Europe and the most developed parts of Asia-pacific and birth rates have leveled off or have dropped to below population replacement levels.
(AAA, 25 July 2009 17:13)...”
Answer: This is very much the truth, but relevant American and EU Authorities are very much aware of the fact and they are doing the legal steps to reverse the trend of increasing the percentage of Muslim population in their Countries.
Feel free to search and find on the Web “Muslim Demographics” Statement which elaborates the issue.
Simply said Muslims are free to exercise as much as they wish their policies of high birth rate, but inside their native Countries borders and Muslim emigration to the Christian Countries will be legally undermined and limited due to the Right of every Country to preserve its ethnical identity and cultural primacy inside its own borders.
this is the same all over the civilised world. it's hardly news. and of course though different nationalities we are all serbian citizens, serbs, albanians.. and 22 other nationalities that live in our beautiful country if i'm not mistaken :) so birthrate's lower in one part of our serbia, like in sumadija, higher in another like in kosovo.. it's fine.
'Serbian relevant Laws will certainly address the issues of Albanian uncontrolled demographics and disable Albanians of buying the land in the border Regions. '
This of course will be impossible if Kosovo for some reason decides to rejoin Serbia. If for no other reason, I would expect Serbia to accept an independent Kosovo with relief. Do Serbs really want to become a minority in their own land?
“...This of course will be impossible if Kosovo for some reason decides to rejoin Serbia. If for no other reason, I would expect Serbia to accept an independent Kosovo with relief. Do Serbs really want to become a minority in their own land?
(Amer, 25 July 2009 19:27...”
Answer: Lot of Serbs still do react emotional and non-racional concerning the Kosovo issue due to the fact that our ancient land and territory is raped on the most brutal way from us by the terror of Kosovo Albanians extremists. Also prior to ICJ decision and preparing for the future partitions settlement, both sides are firing “the best they can war of words” in order to acquire better negotiating positions for the final settlement.
Probably and after the Court decision by ICJ in the case of “Serbia against the international recognitions of Kosovo””, which will be by the way most probably neutral, Serbian Government and media will try to create different political envirovement in order to allow Serbs to accept and live with “International unJustice” concerning the Kosovo independence and to try to finally diplomatically resolve that case which would include partition of Kosovo along the ethnical lines and possible exchange of some territories in order to avoid future ethnical disturbances.
For me dear Amer, the fact are very clear and I certainly do not want to be in the minority in my own Country. I am very much ready to lose the single battle and the part of Kosovo to the ethnic Albanians in order to preserve Serbian ethnical and cultural right to their own territory and in that way win the “War”. For the most of the Serbs this will be also an open and acceptable option after ICJ rulings.
albanian will just go back to nish where they were a majority ,just like in toplica,sandjak,before you did expel them in the 19 century.
Don't worry,we take our time,but we never forget!
We don't have to buy these lands:they belong to us according to the lausanne treaty,that you never respected!
don't worry,international laws did not began just with resolution favorable to serbia!
This trend is seen all over eastern block countries. Health and prevention programs must be put into place to address issues of preventable diseases, alcoholism and promotion of reproduction in the areas where the birth rate is low.
Second, no partition is possible. Serbia said so, Albanians said so, Contact Group said so.
Third, within 10-5 years everyone will be in EU and in EU anyone can move around and buy land /farms in any state. Kosova and Albania are overcrowded and land costs a lot. If neighbors have cheap farm land, the Albanians will probably buy it. It's nearly impossible to find 1 HA lots in Albania, land is scarce. Is it hard to buy a 2-10 HA farm in Serbia?
First, it is obvious you have not been to North Mitrovica, Zvecan, or Lepsavic... there is already a partition in effect. You may see a few of our EULEX cars around, but otherwise you cannot tell if you are in Zvecan or some other part of Serbia. Deal with it.
Second, you should know that regardless of what EU says, they do not control property rights. There will be no large scale migration of Albanians to Serbia.
Third, how can you possibly say Kosovo is overpopulated??? That is a joke. The only places that are overpopulated are the three or four main cities that Albanians keep packing themselves into. The vast majority of Kosovo is open land - end of story. This American can see all this, why can't you?
If you look at raw birth rate of nationalities who are predominantly muslim you see this ridiculously high birth rate with the exception of India. In Christian Europe and the most developed parts of Asia-pacific and birth rates have leveled off or have dropped to below population replacement levels.
"Second, you should know that regardless of what EU says, they do not control property rights. There will be no large scale migration of Albanians to Serbia."
There is now a Serbian law (maybe only for Kosovo?) that a Serb cannot sell property to a K-Albanian - another "Serbian" citizen. Can you imagine the EU going for that? If Kosovo decided to rejoin Serbia, its Albanians could start buying up some of those empty villages in South Serbia that are alarming the demographers. Under whatever kind of autonomy they would bargain for, they could sell the properties emptied out in Kosovo to Albanians from Albania.
"Third, how can you possibly say Kosovo is overpopulated???"
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density) - a list of population densities by country - the population of Kosovo (570 per sq mi) is twice that of Serbia (ex Kosovo) (260/mi2). Albania's figures are closer to those of Serbia, but much of its land is mountainous - and in a rural society, only arable land is important.
"The only places that are overpopulated are the three or four main cities that Albanians keep packing themselves into. "
This is what the environmentalists would like to see happen world-wide - leave as much open space as possible. (And BTW, do you have any idea where the populations of those deserted Serbian villages packed themselves into?)
This is what the environmentalists would like to see happen world-wide - leave as much open space as possible. (And BTW, do you have any idea where the populations of those deserted Serbian villages packed themselves into?)
(Amer, 26 July 2009 20:05)
They certainly are not in Pristina, Gnjilane, Pec, or Prizren... I can tell you that. Many are IDPs in Serbia proper and others are in North Mitrovica where there is not an overcrowding problem. As for population density, yes, Kosovo is more dnese than Serbia proper but still not overcrowded. Mountains aside, just drive from Mitrovica to the Macedonian border and one can see unused land the entire way. I don't need statistics to tell me otherwise.
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