"UNMIK still status neutral"

So Kosovo is still part of Serbia. Though ruled by UN. Practical work doing mostly by EU.

Time for real negotiations I would say.

And again and again: NO SPECIAL DEAL FOR KOSOVO!

Just go the Slovakian way!

"For any who have that problem in this context it means that UNMIK does not endorse an Independent Kosovo NOR does it endorse Serbia's claim as a province.
(pss, 24 July 2009 14:34)"

You conveniently forget that UNMIK operates under 1244 which recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty.

No Statements on the same subject from Eulex and particularly Pieter Feith, maybe?

To me, R. Geekie's comments sound like those of a battered housewife in total denial,living with an alcoholic husband (EULEX).

Since its inception, EULEX has denigrated the UN and bullied its way around KiM with the Ahtisaari folder under its oxter.

I would urge those who now work for EULEX to consider their positions because in the fullness of time they will see that they will have blighted their CVs/Resumes and they won't get any sympathy for it.

MB,Ireland

"advocating practical solutions of benefit to all sides". Who do you want to fool Mr. Geekie? this is what I call mistifying the reality. The unmik mandate is written on the 1244. the rest is just smoke which you try to sell. Also, "advocating for" implies that your words have somehow a moral stature and that someone is listening to you. You are completely discredited in Kosmet and in Serbia proper people don't even know who you and the unmik are. Justifying your existance through these petty means is ridicolous. read the mandate of your organization before opening your mouth..

pss: "For any who have that problem in this context it means that UNMIK does not endorse an Independent Kosovo NOR does it endorse Serbia's claim as a province."

That's true. But the umbrella organisation of the UN recognises Kosovo as part of Serba which means that its agency UNMIK does too.

"the creation of the necessary conditions for Kosovo to receive a representative in Interpol"
--
Kosovo, as a province, already has a representative in Interpol through Serbia.

I think it's time for new elections as Tadic has failed to protect Serbia's interests.

Maybe it is hard for some to understand the translation of "neutral".
For any who have that problem in this context it means that UNMIK does not endorse an Independent Kosovo NOR does it endorse Serbia's claim as a province.

Zoran, don't blame Tadic, most Serbs want to go the EU way, get visas, free EU money etc. They know what must be done and they chose.
(aRTA, 24 July 2009 16:55)

EU integration and Kosovo status are for Serbia two different things.
EU integration is supported by Serbs, who refusing recognizing of Kosovo pseudostate.

'Just go the Slovakian way!'

Finally! So you're agreeing to a Velvet Breakup? That should make everything easier.
(Amer, 24 July 2009 15:50)

I agreed to that from day one. If BOTH (!) sides agree to split why not!

But BOTH SIDES must fully agree!

Status neutral? I thought Kosova was part of Serbia at least as far as UN is concerned?

Zoran, don't blame Tadic, most Serbs want to go the EU way, get visas, free EU money etc. They know what must be done and they chose.

'But BOTH SIDES must fully agree!'

Well, talk to Serbia, then, Kosovo's been willing to split up for the past century.

Some here interpret that when it says red it actually means blue. If that makes you happy, its ok, just remember that people in the positions that matter understand neutral means neutral.

'But BOTH SIDES must fully agree!'

Well, talk to Serbia, then, Kosovo's been willing to split up for the past century.
(Amer, 24 July 2009 19:43)

Is that so? Then why do you blame Milosevic all the time?
He wasn't even born then.

'Just go the Slovakian way!'

Finally! So you're agreeing to a Velvet Breakup? That should make everything easier.

pss - what isn't clear about legal status? Under UN Resolution 1244 Kosovo remains a sovereign part of Serbia. UN Res 1244 is the legal framework under which the UN and EULEX are mandated to operate.

There's nothing about 'interpretation' involved - this is the legal status of Kosovo.

EULEX and Peter Feith know that they have been deployed under the agreement that they must work under the UN umbrella, and be status neutral. They also know that the A Plan has been chucked out and cannot be the basis upon which Kosovo moves forward (even if the provincial govt chooses to adopt some of its elements).

Peter Feith and all those who are denigrating the position of the UN and international law should be removed from their jobs immediately. EULEX are only there as part of the UN agreement and many of the statements that he comes out with reflects the EULEX attitude to be biased and openly against agreements made under international law.

I am amazed he is being allowed to so flagrantly disrespect international law and the UN and nobody is doing anything about it.

"You conveniently forget that UNMIK operates under 1244 which recognizes Belgrades sovereignty" lowe

It seems that you forget that status "Neutrality" is a Belgrad insistance == a compromise since the UNSC will not as a body endorse Serbian sovereignty post UDI.
You will not find a UN document or EU document post UDI that refers to Kosovo as a Serbian province.

'Is that so? Then why do you blame Milosevic all the time?
He wasn't even born then.
(Peggy, 25 July 2009 10:00) '

Milosevic inflamed the situation and gave the Albanians an opportunity to win international support, but the Albanians in Kosovo had been objecting to Serbian control ever since 1912. They only agreed to become part of Yugoslavia after WWII when Tito promised them a chance to vote on joining Albania. This vote was never held, obviously. The revocation of autonomy was merely a sign that the Albanians could not trust promises about its status, and you can't expect them to sign anything now that will put them back under Serbian control, no matter how tenuous this control might be initially.

Amer, on post #21.

What about Tibet? What about South Ossetia? Transferd from Russia to Georgia without consent of the Ossetians themselves.

But for Kosovo we make an exception? Strange. Very strange!

"Some here interpret that when it says red it actually means blue. If that makes you happy, its ok, just remember that people in the positions that matter understand neutral means neutral.
(pss, 24 July 2009 20:18) "

pss,

you are the one who is interpreting red for blue. UNMIK is assigned to administer Kosovo, not pronounce on its status. Only 1244 and the UNSC can decide on this.

Still, as you yourself wrote, you can misinterpret this fact if it makes you happy. But it only amounts to self-deception.

'But BOTH SIDES must fully agree!'

Well, talk to Serbia, then, Kosovo's been willing to split up for the past century.
(Amer, 24 July 2009 19:43)

Well, if Serbia does not want a split of course there won't be split then. Both sides must agree to a solution!

Both sides, not just one...

No, this gives one party total control over the outcome.
(Amer, 25 July 2009 17:49)

But the same is true if Albanians can deceide on independence without the other side agreeing.

By the way if Kosovo may split from Serbia without Serbian agreeing, why may Tibet not become independent without China agreeing?

Is an Albanian worth more then a Tibetan?

'Well, if Serbia does not want a split of course there won't be split then. Both sides must agree to a solution!

Both sides, not just one...
(Ron, 25 July 2009 02:26) '

No, this gives one party total control over the outcome.

'What about Tibet? What about South Ossetia? Transferd from Russia to Georgia without consent of the Ossetians themselves. '

Practicalities: the Chinese etc. aren't asking the world to give Tibet back to them, they unfortunately have it and have the means - political, military - to keep it. For the time being. Just plain bad luck for the Tibetans.

Or do you want to appoint the U.S. to be policeman of the world, with troops and the cash to finance them, and ask them take care of things? - I thought not.

Or do you want to appoint the U.S. to be policeman of the world, with troops and the cash to finance them, and ask them take care of things? - I thought not.
(Amer, 26 July 2009 17:59)

The US has already appointed themselves the policeman of the world. Look at the mess they created in former Yugoslavia and continue to make in Kosovo and Bosnia.

Your response about why you blame Milosevic all the time if you have been wanting to separate since the turn of the century is not adequate.
When you blame Milosevic, you make him the sole reason for this which we all know is bull.
Start telling the truth from now on and stop blaming a dead guy.

So Kosovo is still part of Serbia. Though ruled by UN. Practical work doing mostly by EU.

Time for real negotiations I would say.

And again and again: NO SPECIAL DEAL FOR KOSOVO!

Just go the Slovakian way!

pss: "For any who have that problem in this context it means that UNMIK does not endorse an Independent Kosovo NOR does it endorse Serbia's claim as a province."

That's true. But the umbrella organisation of the UN recognises Kosovo as part of Serba which means that its agency UNMIK does too.

Maybe it is hard for some to understand the translation of "neutral".
For any who have that problem in this context it means that UNMIK does not endorse an Independent Kosovo NOR does it endorse Serbia's claim as a province.

Status neutral? I thought Kosova was part of Serbia at least as far as UN is concerned?

Zoran, don't blame Tadic, most Serbs want to go the EU way, get visas, free EU money etc. They know what must be done and they chose.

'Just go the Slovakian way!'

Finally! So you're agreeing to a Velvet Breakup? That should make everything easier.

"the creation of the necessary conditions for Kosovo to receive a representative in Interpol"
--
Kosovo, as a province, already has a representative in Interpol through Serbia.

I think it's time for new elections as Tadic has failed to protect Serbia's interests.

No Statements on the same subject from Eulex and particularly Pieter Feith, maybe?

To me, R. Geekie's comments sound like those of a battered housewife in total denial,living with an alcoholic husband (EULEX).

Since its inception, EULEX has denigrated the UN and bullied its way around KiM with the Ahtisaari folder under its oxter.

I would urge those who now work for EULEX to consider their positions because in the fullness of time they will see that they will have blighted their CVs/Resumes and they won't get any sympathy for it.

MB,Ireland

'But BOTH SIDES must fully agree!'

Well, talk to Serbia, then, Kosovo's been willing to split up for the past century.

"For any who have that problem in this context it means that UNMIK does not endorse an Independent Kosovo NOR does it endorse Serbia's claim as a province.
(pss, 24 July 2009 14:34)"

You conveniently forget that UNMIK operates under 1244 which recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty.

Zoran, don't blame Tadic, most Serbs want to go the EU way, get visas, free EU money etc. They know what must be done and they chose.
(aRTA, 24 July 2009 16:55)

EU integration and Kosovo status are for Serbia two different things.
EU integration is supported by Serbs, who refusing recognizing of Kosovo pseudostate.

Some here interpret that when it says red it actually means blue. If that makes you happy, its ok, just remember that people in the positions that matter understand neutral means neutral.

"advocating practical solutions of benefit to all sides". Who do you want to fool Mr. Geekie? this is what I call mistifying the reality. The unmik mandate is written on the 1244. the rest is just smoke which you try to sell. Also, "advocating for" implies that your words have somehow a moral stature and that someone is listening to you. You are completely discredited in Kosmet and in Serbia proper people don't even know who you and the unmik are. Justifying your existance through these petty means is ridicolous. read the mandate of your organization before opening your mouth..

'Just go the Slovakian way!'

Finally! So you're agreeing to a Velvet Breakup? That should make everything easier.
(Amer, 24 July 2009 15:50)

I agreed to that from day one. If BOTH (!) sides agree to split why not!

But BOTH SIDES must fully agree!

"You conveniently forget that UNMIK operates under 1244 which recognizes Belgrades sovereignty" lowe

It seems that you forget that status "Neutrality" is a Belgrad insistance == a compromise since the UNSC will not as a body endorse Serbian sovereignty post UDI.
You will not find a UN document or EU document post UDI that refers to Kosovo as a Serbian province.

'Well, if Serbia does not want a split of course there won't be split then. Both sides must agree to a solution!

Both sides, not just one...
(Ron, 25 July 2009 02:26) '

No, this gives one party total control over the outcome.

'Is that so? Then why do you blame Milosevic all the time?
He wasn't even born then.
(Peggy, 25 July 2009 10:00) '

Milosevic inflamed the situation and gave the Albanians an opportunity to win international support, but the Albanians in Kosovo had been objecting to Serbian control ever since 1912. They only agreed to become part of Yugoslavia after WWII when Tito promised them a chance to vote on joining Albania. This vote was never held, obviously. The revocation of autonomy was merely a sign that the Albanians could not trust promises about its status, and you can't expect them to sign anything now that will put them back under Serbian control, no matter how tenuous this control might be initially.

"Some here interpret that when it says red it actually means blue. If that makes you happy, its ok, just remember that people in the positions that matter understand neutral means neutral.
(pss, 24 July 2009 20:18) "

pss,

you are the one who is interpreting red for blue. UNMIK is assigned to administer Kosovo, not pronounce on its status. Only 1244 and the UNSC can decide on this.

Still, as you yourself wrote, you can misinterpret this fact if it makes you happy. But it only amounts to self-deception.

'But BOTH SIDES must fully agree!'

Well, talk to Serbia, then, Kosovo's been willing to split up for the past century.
(Amer, 24 July 2009 19:43)

Well, if Serbia does not want a split of course there won't be split then. Both sides must agree to a solution!

Both sides, not just one...

pss - what isn't clear about legal status? Under UN Resolution 1244 Kosovo remains a sovereign part of Serbia. UN Res 1244 is the legal framework under which the UN and EULEX are mandated to operate.

There's nothing about 'interpretation' involved - this is the legal status of Kosovo.

EULEX and Peter Feith know that they have been deployed under the agreement that they must work under the UN umbrella, and be status neutral. They also know that the A Plan has been chucked out and cannot be the basis upon which Kosovo moves forward (even if the provincial govt chooses to adopt some of its elements).

Peter Feith and all those who are denigrating the position of the UN and international law should be removed from their jobs immediately. EULEX are only there as part of the UN agreement and many of the statements that he comes out with reflects the EULEX attitude to be biased and openly against agreements made under international law.

I am amazed he is being allowed to so flagrantly disrespect international law and the UN and nobody is doing anything about it.

'But BOTH SIDES must fully agree!'

Well, talk to Serbia, then, Kosovo's been willing to split up for the past century.
(Amer, 24 July 2009 19:43)

Is that so? Then why do you blame Milosevic all the time?
He wasn't even born then.

No, this gives one party total control over the outcome.
(Amer, 25 July 2009 17:49)

But the same is true if Albanians can deceide on independence without the other side agreeing.

By the way if Kosovo may split from Serbia without Serbian agreeing, why may Tibet not become independent without China agreeing?

Is an Albanian worth more then a Tibetan?

Amer, on post #21.

What about Tibet? What about South Ossetia? Transferd from Russia to Georgia without consent of the Ossetians themselves.

But for Kosovo we make an exception? Strange. Very strange!

'What about Tibet? What about South Ossetia? Transferd from Russia to Georgia without consent of the Ossetians themselves. '

Practicalities: the Chinese etc. aren't asking the world to give Tibet back to them, they unfortunately have it and have the means - political, military - to keep it. For the time being. Just plain bad luck for the Tibetans.

Or do you want to appoint the U.S. to be policeman of the world, with troops and the cash to finance them, and ask them take care of things? - I thought not.

Or do you want to appoint the U.S. to be policeman of the world, with troops and the cash to finance them, and ask them take care of things? - I thought not.
(Amer, 26 July 2009 17:59)

The US has already appointed themselves the policeman of the world. Look at the mess they created in former Yugoslavia and continue to make in Kosovo and Bosnia.

Your response about why you blame Milosevic all the time if you have been wanting to separate since the turn of the century is not adequate.
When you blame Milosevic, you make him the sole reason for this which we all know is bull.
Start telling the truth from now on and stop blaming a dead guy.