"EU supports Georgia's integrity"

"Supports" does not mean "going out of their way to defend".

Interesting set of statements here:

> The EU troika met with opposition leaders to discuss what the government and the opposition could do to overcome the crisis in the country, reports said.

> "The EU is monitoring the political process in Georgia and is ready to continue to offer assistance for the implementation of democratic reforms in the country," said he.

Uh oh...

> But Georgia's president, Mikheil Saakashvili, said there in fact was no political crisis, and stressed that "a majority of the population supports him".

> Saakashvili also revealed that he did not intend to step down before the end of his presidential mandate in 2013.

Methinks a certain someone is feeling a little paranoid. Makes you wonder if EU's 'troika' is planning on presenting flowers? Roses perhaps?

Would be a real shame.

"Saakashvili also revealed that he did not intend to step down before the end of his presidential mandate in 2013"

Lucky Georgians... they are so happy that they have a father of the nation that reminds me both in looks and in political way of Tzar Milo "get rich" Djukanovic...

I wonder what good he plans to do for his people until 2013, lose Adzjaria (unsecure of the spelling) region also making it the "worlds youngest state"?

Joe:
> The main point here is that the EU supports Georgia's integrity what is even in the headline.

Well actually, the main point is that EU (or more accurately, 'brussels') supports leaders like 'Saak' & a certain snake (although think of the latter more as a lizard - has arms & legs) simply because it's to their short-term advantage.

Issues like 'territorial integrity'/'self-determination' are just excuses as all sides have shown.

Mind you, 'Saak' would be well advised to take in the 'message' that's being delivered by his superiors as even they have limits to their 'understanding'.

Amer:
Believe it was 'Saak' who started the war late last year & not Russia.. but 'Operation Clear Field' wasn't quite as successful as Croatia's 'Operation Storm' earlier - despite the presence of US 'military advisors' & all that new hardware they provided & financed... as russian bear wasn't quite in hibernation yet for the winter..

Yep, great shame.

It`s a done deal. Russia gets Abhazia and Ossetia, the West gets Kosovo.

Joe

I think everyone supports Georgia's territorial integrity, because it was wrong for Russia to recognize those territories (the same way it was wrong for the West to recognize Kosovo's independence, it's exactly the same thing).

However, the EU blames Saakashvili for starting the August War: http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2009/06/19/Georgia-Russia-war-EU-blames-Saakashvili/UPI-41361245420173/

Therefore, I don't know why the US is so supportive of this maniac when they KNOW he started the war. The US being on the other extreme of Russia just for the sake of being so is just wrong!

No one should have any doubts, Georgia has committed an act of Aggression and are now paying the price. The operational planning of merciless murders and atrocities in S. Ossetia have long been studied by Georgian Generals and not without some US military assistance. In June of same year, the report published by “International Crisis Group” (and this sort of reports are not written in a day or two) are clearly states the following: “Georgia remains determined to restore its territorial integrity, and hawks in Tbilisi are seriously considering a military option” it reads further, as a point of warning: “This includes former President Vladimir Putin’s announcement that Russia would formalise ties with Abkhazia and statements by Kremlin officials that Moscow was prepared to use military force to protect its citizens in Abkhazia and South Ossetia if hostilities resumed”

Furthermore, the CivilGe, perhaps the only independent and trustworthy news corresponding establishment left in Georgia on June 24th 2008 have also published a very interesting article “A draft amendment to the 2008 state budget, once approved by Parliament, will bring total funding of the Ministry of Defense (MoD) to GEL 1.395 billion... Initial defense spending for 2008 was set at GEL 1.1 billion. The figure for 2007 was GEL 1.495 billion.”

And lastly, RIA Novosti quoted as saying the president of South Ossetia Eduard Kokoity announced during the meeting with Britains ambassador to Georgia: “ Georgia plans to unleash large-scale military action in South Ossetia by September” "We have irrefutable evidences that large-scale military action will commence here exactly by September. It is the plan of Georgia and it is the plan that Saakashvilis regime is implementing today"

Now, put these pieces all together, and you will have a perfect combination of all necessary elements to start a fresh military conflict, Desire and the Means to do it. Saakashvili is a war criminal!

Peter,

Why is the US supportive of Saakashvili?....

Nabucco pipeline and oil

The main point here is that the EU supports Georgia's integrity what is even in the headline. The blind supporters of Russia however try to give the phony impression that they have an issue only with Saaki but in reality - even without Saaki -they do not support this integrity.

"Supports" does not mean "going out of their way to defend".

And "defend" does not necessarily mean starting a full-scale war in a small country.

'Amer:
Believe it was 'Saak' who started the war late last year & not Russia.. but 'Operation Clear Field' wasn't quite as successful as Croatia's 'Operation Storm' earlier - despite the presence of US 'military advisors' & all that new hardware they provided & financed... as russian bear wasn't quite in hibernation yet for the winter.. '

The Georgians started shelling before the Russians entered, this is apparently true. But the Georgians had been provoked for years by the So. Ossetians and Abkhaz supported by the Russians, including in the days and hours leading up to the invasion. Saakashvili took a chance and lost. (Although it takes some fancy footwork to justify the Russians' "preemptively" entering Abkhazia).

However, the Georgians have been there since long before they were signing treaties with the Romans, even though the actual borders have fluctuated, so I'm not too worried about how this will eventually end up.

The best Georgian troops last year, unfortunately, were in Iraq, and even they had been trained for counter-terrorist operations, not homeland defense. I imagine this shortcoming will soon be rectified.

"Supports" does not mean "going out of their way to defend".

And "defend" does not necessarily mean starting a full-scale war in a small country.

It`s a done deal. Russia gets Abhazia and Ossetia, the West gets Kosovo.

The main point here is that the EU supports Georgia's integrity what is even in the headline. The blind supporters of Russia however try to give the phony impression that they have an issue only with Saaki but in reality - even without Saaki -they do not support this integrity.

"Saakashvili also revealed that he did not intend to step down before the end of his presidential mandate in 2013"

Lucky Georgians... they are so happy that they have a father of the nation that reminds me both in looks and in political way of Tzar Milo "get rich" Djukanovic...

I wonder what good he plans to do for his people until 2013, lose Adzjaria (unsecure of the spelling) region also making it the "worlds youngest state"?

No one should have any doubts, Georgia has committed an act of Aggression and are now paying the price. The operational planning of merciless murders and atrocities in S. Ossetia have long been studied by Georgian Generals and not without some US military assistance. In June of same year, the report published by “International Crisis Group” (and this sort of reports are not written in a day or two) are clearly states the following: “Georgia remains determined to restore its territorial integrity, and hawks in Tbilisi are seriously considering a military option” it reads further, as a point of warning: “This includes former President Vladimir Putin’s announcement that Russia would formalise ties with Abkhazia and statements by Kremlin officials that Moscow was prepared to use military force to protect its citizens in Abkhazia and South Ossetia if hostilities resumed”

Furthermore, the CivilGe, perhaps the only independent and trustworthy news corresponding establishment left in Georgia on June 24th 2008 have also published a very interesting article “A draft amendment to the 2008 state budget, once approved by Parliament, will bring total funding of the Ministry of Defense (MoD) to GEL 1.395 billion... Initial defense spending for 2008 was set at GEL 1.1 billion. The figure for 2007 was GEL 1.495 billion.”

And lastly, RIA Novosti quoted as saying the president of South Ossetia Eduard Kokoity announced during the meeting with Britains ambassador to Georgia: “ Georgia plans to unleash large-scale military action in South Ossetia by September” "We have irrefutable evidences that large-scale military action will commence here exactly by September. It is the plan of Georgia and it is the plan that Saakashvilis regime is implementing today"

Now, put these pieces all together, and you will have a perfect combination of all necessary elements to start a fresh military conflict, Desire and the Means to do it. Saakashvili is a war criminal!

Interesting set of statements here:

> The EU troika met with opposition leaders to discuss what the government and the opposition could do to overcome the crisis in the country, reports said.

> "The EU is monitoring the political process in Georgia and is ready to continue to offer assistance for the implementation of democratic reforms in the country," said he.

Uh oh...

> But Georgia's president, Mikheil Saakashvili, said there in fact was no political crisis, and stressed that "a majority of the population supports him".

> Saakashvili also revealed that he did not intend to step down before the end of his presidential mandate in 2013.

Methinks a certain someone is feeling a little paranoid. Makes you wonder if EU's 'troika' is planning on presenting flowers? Roses perhaps?

Would be a real shame.

"Supports" does not mean "going out of their way to defend".

Joe:
> The main point here is that the EU supports Georgia's integrity what is even in the headline.

Well actually, the main point is that EU (or more accurately, 'brussels') supports leaders like 'Saak' & a certain snake (although think of the latter more as a lizard - has arms & legs) simply because it's to their short-term advantage.

Issues like 'territorial integrity'/'self-determination' are just excuses as all sides have shown.

Mind you, 'Saak' would be well advised to take in the 'message' that's being delivered by his superiors as even they have limits to their 'understanding'.

Amer:
Believe it was 'Saak' who started the war late last year & not Russia.. but 'Operation Clear Field' wasn't quite as successful as Croatia's 'Operation Storm' earlier - despite the presence of US 'military advisors' & all that new hardware they provided & financed... as russian bear wasn't quite in hibernation yet for the winter..

Yep, great shame.

Joe

I think everyone supports Georgia's territorial integrity, because it was wrong for Russia to recognize those territories (the same way it was wrong for the West to recognize Kosovo's independence, it's exactly the same thing).

However, the EU blames Saakashvili for starting the August War: http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2009/06/19/Georgia-Russia-war-EU-blames-Saakashvili/UPI-41361245420173/

Therefore, I don't know why the US is so supportive of this maniac when they KNOW he started the war. The US being on the other extreme of Russia just for the sake of being so is just wrong!

Peter,

Why is the US supportive of Saakashvili?....

Nabucco pipeline and oil

'Amer:
Believe it was 'Saak' who started the war late last year & not Russia.. but 'Operation Clear Field' wasn't quite as successful as Croatia's 'Operation Storm' earlier - despite the presence of US 'military advisors' & all that new hardware they provided & financed... as russian bear wasn't quite in hibernation yet for the winter.. '

The Georgians started shelling before the Russians entered, this is apparently true. But the Georgians had been provoked for years by the So. Ossetians and Abkhaz supported by the Russians, including in the days and hours leading up to the invasion. Saakashvili took a chance and lost. (Although it takes some fancy footwork to justify the Russians' "preemptively" entering Abkhazia).

However, the Georgians have been there since long before they were signing treaties with the Romans, even though the actual borders have fluctuated, so I'm not too worried about how this will eventually end up.

The best Georgian troops last year, unfortunately, were in Iraq, and even they had been trained for counter-terrorist operations, not homeland defense. I imagine this shortcoming will soon be rectified.