Police Chief Milorad Veljović says there's evidence to suggest members of the Kosovo police are involved in the smuggling of arms from Kosovo into south Serbia.
no my dears,no need to have our police involved in that:we do buy arms every day from serbs in serbia proper or in bosnia;and we freely bring them across serbiaproper,not kosovo!
This is a group of people who are used to this. Imagine having them as neighbours...see the New York Times article on Albanians: [link]
(david, 17 July 2009 14:41) thanks for the article david very telling information.
Per your comment, all albanians are terrorists, right!
I don't know how could still call albanians so, as the whole World knows what Serbia did to albanians from 1989 - 1999, or if we go back to 1940's...
(Shqiponja, 16 July 2009 18:13) The CIA up untill 1998 branded the kla a terrorist organization.Unfortunately after 1998 they changed their minds because they realized they could use them like they did the taliban to do their dirty work.GOD bless Serbia and our holy church!
You've taken my comment out of context and twisted it to your satisafaction. Why I am I not surprised.
You should read rebels post and you will understand where I'm coming from on that.
As for the alleged KPS link to arms smuggling, this wouldn't evan be the first time so don't wrap yourself in the innocent until proven guilty rhetoric.
This is a group of people who are used to this. Imagine having them as neighbours...see the New York Times article on Albanians: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/world/europe/17albania.html?_r=1&ref=global-home
@Nicholas Klinsman who says "I suggest you go to another forum for your posts, since this is a Serb run site..."
actually nicholas, despite this being as you call it, a "serb run site" and you term dissenting voices as pro-albanian. it is in fact a news and journalism organization. One would think that very fact alone would invite discussion and dissenting views.
How very interesting to see you inadvertently "confirm" that is not the case, that you feel this is a forum to advocate a serb agenda rather than...you know. Provide legitimate News.
That serb police apparently have footage, and suspicions, and facts, and an ongoing investigation... to wich they have NOT acted on or made arrests... feel free to blabber about it publicly effectively warning these "real" criminals that the jig is up. is a very dumb thing for police to do, and makes no sense at all. Unless of course it has no basis in reality and a press headline is the goal.
Is this truly suprising to many people?
A lot of emotions seemed to be worked up about this information, but I don't find it to be surprising at all.
Was I the only one that thought it was merely a matter of time before a news article was published concerning the illicit/illegal activites of members of the KPS?
I don't find this indicative of "terrorism" but merely a fact of reality of the Balkans where government corruption and organized crime has been a historic problem.
Per your comment, all albanians are terrorists, right!
I don't know how could still call albanians so, as the whole World knows what Serbia did to albanians from 1989 - 1999, or if we go back to 1940's...
(Shqiponja, 16 July 2009 18:13)
It's true or not, that lot of KPS members were members of US Departament of State described terrorist organization "UCK"??
P.S. I don't described "all" Albanians as "terrorists" - but only members (ex-members) of terrorist organization.
Six postings, counting, on one THread from one person! including their threatening of other posters! some people have WAY too much time on their hands... (6 postings by one person, counting, on ONE thread!)
anyway, sorry, here is the deal about the south of serbia: i am against violence and terror. there have to be better ways, unless every single possible other means has been tried, which it has not. especially when it comes to your own citizens. otherwise it is a pure copy of the 90s in the balkans -- do people really want that?
so i think the serbian authorities need to sit down with people/officials in this area, try to figure out what is going on (if it isn't already obvious,) and strategize some solutions to defuse the tensions. we might all have suggestions but the main need is to talk, and with respect, not like in the past. if intrnl moderators would help, bring em in. if you don't trust ours, try french, or british, or whichever as long as they are not overly prejudiced. try it -- it is one task that democratic countries need to undertake, hard as it is.
as to this "That's why we hate the Serbs..." i really do not find this useful, not the talk, not the idea. i have fought against racism and anti-Semitism, and various forms of bigotry, for most of my life. not perfectly perhaps, but i've tried my best. as have many of my frnds. i fully understand why people in kosovo will never accept rule from belgrade again -- i support that position and have argued for it, at least for the last decade. loudly and clearly.
but to hate a whole people is wrong, is counter-productive, and frankly racist.
also, i do not believe that the hateful comments here (esp on the english side) reflect the feeling of ALL serbs. i know many who passionately disagree with these super-nationalist views, and all of the ugly anti-albanian rhetoric. i used to ask, plead on a regular basis to hear more from "dissident" serbs, but it just doesn't happen often. i have my own views as to why, but not for now.
with my very good (alb) frnd from podujevo, i've gone out of my way to have him meet frndly serb people, dissidents, intellectuals, human rights people, etc. they are not so hard to find. it isn't just 2 or 3. i wish that people who feel they have to "hate" a whole people actively seek out such persons, for ex. from youth initiative, helsinki committee, and many more.
hate can be overcome, but you have to want to make it happen. we work hard with our students, and sometimes it actually seems to make a difference. in the long run, who knows, but i will never stop trying. and pls, i am not naive, i just try to stay optimistic.
One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
(Olf, 16 July 2009 10:23)
Never seen a barter deal?
I am short of newer HDD-s but have a lot of good older ones and many (S)ATA controllers. Some people I know have newer HDD-s but no SATA controllers. If work does require, there is always a room to barter.
At this moment taking HDD-s and controllers through borders and administrative lines is not considered immoral or illegal.
Like for us HDD, for others bazooka or AK-47 is just merely a commodity they need for their daily (hard) work.
Everyone has own priorities and problems.
Nothing more hurts serbian image than posts of most serbs posting in here.
Yesterday, many commented on the blast in Preshevo, and their comment are not any better than the ones from Milosevic regime. What means, that no matter what happens Serbs are going to acuse the Albanians in the name of fighting the terrorists. Havent you all gone through this 10 years ago for gods sake.
@Rebel: If you hate Serbs, I suggest you go to another forum for your posts, since this is a Serb run site. Maybe if you stay away from these discussions it will clear up your anger issues.
Overall, I'm not understanding of many of the pro Albanian posts here. Everytime a hate crime is committed against Serbs you tell us to let the process carry thru, which so far has yielded no convictions. None for the Podujevo bus massacre, the massacre of the 14 Lipljan farmers, the teenagers shot swimming in the river by Pec, nor countless other crimes against Serbs.
On the other hand, Serbs have turned over to the Hague a number of high ranking officials and actually convicted a # of people who carried out crimes against Albanians.
If you want war criminals and crime lords from the KLA run your people than that's your problem, Serbia is moving forward.
Don't be upset because our police is trying to do its job and don't jump on Serbs cases just becuase we don't want people to get away with planting bombs or shooting at police.
It's not surprise - in KPS are lot of members of terrorist UCK...
(Milan, 16 July 2009 11:12)
Milan,
Per your comment, all albanians are terrorists, right!
I don't know how could still call albanians so, as the whole World knows what Serbia did to albanians from 1989 - 1999, or if we go back to 1940's...
Nah, don't ban people like aRTA or PRN from this site. I get a kick out of their daily rantings. PRN in particular who writes the most ridiculous things and then recommends his own post 45 times (I'm almost convinced PRN is actually a Serb trying to disguise himself as the most clueless Albanian out there just to stoke anger).
"One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
(Olf, 16 July 2009 10:23)"
Beats the Hell out of me, Olf. You're the one with the apparent belief of the perennial innocence of the Albanian mentality, despite the fact their inventory of weapons never seems to be in short supply. Perhaps you can answer your own rhetorical question.
I certainly could make you laugh, because if you, your PC and consequently your IP address are situated in the province of Kosovo, then it is definite and obvious that you are out of the reach of International Justice and Order.
“It may have been the high time for B92 to trace the IP addresses of above mentioned terrorist supporters and deniers and provide them to the Police Authorities Worldwide which would consequently provided them with adequate treatment behind the Walls of the Prison Institutions concerning the International Laws of strict repression of any sort of terrorist support!
(dean van der serbia, 16 July 2009 14:20)”
Hahahaha! You made me laugh outloud! Did you write the above posts and the ones related to the recent news of the blasts in the presevo valley or someone else wrote them in your name? Because if you have written those statements then I think you should be held accounted for inciting hatred against an all nation and labeling it as terrorists, and what not.
“Kosovo Albanians secessionist terrorism in Balkans will never stop, that is clearly illustrated in this, and yet another, example of the terrorism being supported and orchestrated from the level of Kosovo Albanians “authorities”!”
“So not only that local Albanian terrorist are starting with their traditional "killing fields missions", but it is furthermore supplied and encouraged by, so called, "Kosovo Police"?”
The question is: is there evidence to prove all the latest allegations raised lately by Serbia? Do they know who the attackers and who the smugglers are? If yes, then arrest them; judge them and put them too jail and stop with the empty political propaganda statements.
All this propaganda reminds me of the famous 1986 Memorandum of Serbian Academy of Arts and Science.
Everybody is wrong. It is Milosevic himself who has risen from the grave to organize and execute this so some can call it the usual propaganda and claim that many are complete desillusional. It is interesting how some commentators are still in complete denial and of course KFOR and EULEX must know about this (and allow it) unless they are sleeping. Collect evidence, deal with the problem, and show it in their faces and watch how they respond.
This and governor Feith´s insurance that "everything is under control" in his "democrasy" shows clearly that €U supports their local clients of "freedom fighters" in their quest for greater Albania.
€U on it´s own continues to support and instigate further disintegration of Serbia.
This is just another serbian propaganda to make some noise,no news here.Serbia is trying very hard to silence the news of the newly discovered mass grave in Kosovo with 11 + counting bodies,included 4 children.Serbs like to call Albanians terrorists,i wonder what should serbs call them self?
Propaganda galore. Bravo, good reporting. Then again, the reason why we hate Serbs so much is because they will stoop to the lowest level to try and seem legitimate.
"...Poor Dacic, he thinks KPS works like Serbian police did in Slobo's time. "Organ trading," "smuggling" and other lies. Why?
Small secret: Serbia still HAS to cooperate with KPS, not EULEX if they want to get visas, it's not a done deal yet. Serbia was told that EULEX is only advisory and KPS does the work so in addition to making it virtually impossible for K-Serbs and B-Serbs to get passports, patrol the Kosova border, Serbia must also cooperate with KPS directly, aka recognize Kosova indirectly.
So, take it all in context, not that anyone believes a word of Serbian officials. Too many you know what...
(aRTA, 16 July 2009 09:16)..."
AND @@@ by KOSOVO-USA
"...Any normal police force when they video record criminals on the act, they will arrest them on the spot and the footage will be used as evidence in the court of law.
My question to police Chief will be if you recoded the arm smugglers , why didn't you arrest them and nail them to the bone in court of law?
(Kosova-USA, 16 July 2009 09:10)..."
and @@@ by Olf
"...Time is for MUP Serbia to make the names known to EULEX and deal with these people.
One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
(Olf, 16 July 2009 10:23)..."
and @@@ by PRN
"... said who...
Police Chief Milorad ...the who???
Oh no...does anyone belives you APART from Serbs.
Oh common if needed we would use other routes and not implicate our brave police force with high international ethics.
(PRN, 16 July 2009 10:56)...""
It may have been the high time for B92 to trace the IP addresses of above mentioned deniers and provide them to the Police Authorities Worldwide which would consequently provided them with adequate treatment behind the Walls of the Prison Institutions concerning the International Laws of strict repression of any sort of terrorist support!
dean van der serbia
Albanian ...ist, ...ist, ...ist.
Sounds like RTB 1989-1999.
Dacic
smugglers usually have their acomplices on the other side.
Having in mind that the territory is under heavy surveilance from 1999 than accomplices are either KFOR or ...
Kosovo Albanians secessionist terrorism in Balkans will never stop, that is clearly illustrated in this, and yet another, example of the terrorism being supported and orchestrated from the level of Kosovo Albanians “authorities”!
Question is : shall the support and recognition by EU and other “responsible” States around the World for this "terrorist puppet state" seized to exist ?
This is very bad. But, believe me, it is very good news for Serbia concerning ICJ verdict in Hague. Hague and also many countries follow this in media.
Well, that is a piece of news!
So not only that local Albanian terrorist are starting with their traditional "killing fields missions", but it is furthermore supplied and encouraged by, so called, "Kosovo Police" ?
In the civilised World that is called "so called, State Supported and Run Terrorism" and in this case that is as a consequence of the fact that executive organs, Eulex and Pieter Feith, are not willing to execute the job for which they were mandated!
Indicative facts just to be added to our ICJ case as an illustration of more than four decades of terrorist practices by local “Kosovo Albanian Authorities” against Serb and non-Albanian population.
For the good of all Serbian citizens (ethnic Albanians included) these terrorists need to be caught and their group(s) deactivated. The question being how deep do they go? Do they have links to provincial politicians of Albanian ethnicity?
It's time to rid the province and region of all terrorist elements. The sooner the better so EULEX and NATO better get off their backsides!
So? We don't hear any complaints from their Washington and Berlin sponsers. Looks like a campaign is underway to create incidents to be used an excuse to prevent further progress of Serbia to the EU.
Kosovo Albanians secessionist terrorism in Balkans will never stop, that is clearly illustrated in this, and yet another, example of the terrorism being supported and orchestrated from the level of Kosovo Albanians “authorities”!
Question is : shall the support and recognition, by some EU and other “responsible” States around the World and in the light of frequent terrorist attacks against the Serbs and non-Albanians, for this "terrorist puppet state" seized to exist ?
Time is for MUP Serbia to make the names known to EULEX and deal with these people.
One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
Poor Dacic, he thinks KPS works like Serbian police did in Slobo's time. "Organ trading," "smuggling" and other lies. Why?
Small secret: Serbia still HAS to cooperate with KPS, not EULEX if they want to get visas, it's not a done deal yet. Serbia was told that EULEX is only advisory and KPS does the work so in addition to making it virtually impossible for K-Serbs and B-Serbs to get passports, patrol the Kosova border, Serbia must also cooperate with KPS directly, aka recognize Kosova indirectly.
So, take it all in context, not that anyone believes a word of Serbian officials. Too many you know what...
We’ve acquired footage that clearly shows the illegal trafficking of arms, primarily in the region of Gnjilane. That shows the intentions of these people, or rather terrorist groups,” said the police chief.
Any normal police force when they video record criminals on the act, they will arrest them on the spot and the footage will be used as evidence in the court of law.
My question to police Chief will be if you recoded the arm smugglers , why didn't you arrest them and nail them to the bone in court of law?
Well, that is a piece of news!
So not only that local Albanian terrorist are starting with their traditional "killing fields missions", but it is furthermore supplied and encouraged by, so called, "Kosovo Police" ?
In the civilised World that is called "State Supported and Run Terrorism" and in this case that is as a consequence of the fact that executive organs, Eulex and Pieter Feith, are not willing to execute the job for which they were mandated!
Indicative facts just to be added to our ICJ case as an illustration of more than four decades of terrorist practices by local “Kosovo Albanian Authorities” against Serb and non-Albanian population.
Well, that is a piece of news!
So not only that local Albanian terrorist are starting with their traditional "killing fields missions", but it is furthermore supplied and encouraged by, so called, "Kosovo Police" ?
In the civilised World that is called "State Supported and Run Terrorism" and in this case that is as a consequence of the fact that executive organs, Eulex and Pieter Feith, are not willing to execute the job for which they were mandated!
Indicative facts just to be added to our ICJ case as an illustration of more than four decades of terrorist practices by local “Kosovo Albanian Authorities” against Serb and non-Albanian population.
For the good of all Serbian citizens (ethnic Albanians included) these terrorists need to be caught and their group(s) deactivated. The question being how deep do they go? Do they have links to provincial politicians of Albanian ethnicity?
It's time to rid the province and region of all terrorist elements. The sooner the better so EULEX and NATO better get off their backsides!
Kosovo Albanians secessionist terrorism in Balkans will never stop, that is clearly illustrated in this, and yet another, example of the terrorism being supported and orchestrated from the level of Kosovo Albanians “authorities”!
Question is : shall the support and recognition, by some EU and other “responsible” States around the World and in the light of frequent terrorist attacks against the Serbs and non-Albanians, for this "terrorist puppet state" seized to exist ?
This is very bad. But, believe me, it is very good news for Serbia concerning ICJ verdict in Hague. Hague and also many countries follow this in media.
Poor Dacic, he thinks KPS works like Serbian police did in Slobo's time. "Organ trading," "smuggling" and other lies. Why?
Small secret: Serbia still HAS to cooperate with KPS, not EULEX if they want to get visas, it's not a done deal yet. Serbia was told that EULEX is only advisory and KPS does the work so in addition to making it virtually impossible for K-Serbs and B-Serbs to get passports, patrol the Kosova border, Serbia must also cooperate with KPS directly, aka recognize Kosova indirectly.
So, take it all in context, not that anyone believes a word of Serbian officials. Too many you know what...
Nah, don't ban people like aRTA or PRN from this site. I get a kick out of their daily rantings. PRN in particular who writes the most ridiculous things and then recommends his own post 45 times (I'm almost convinced PRN is actually a Serb trying to disguise himself as the most clueless Albanian out there just to stoke anger).
"One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
(Olf, 16 July 2009 10:23)"
Beats the Hell out of me, Olf. You're the one with the apparent belief of the perennial innocence of the Albanian mentality, despite the fact their inventory of weapons never seems to be in short supply. Perhaps you can answer your own rhetorical question.
@Rebel: If you hate Serbs, I suggest you go to another forum for your posts, since this is a Serb run site. Maybe if you stay away from these discussions it will clear up your anger issues.
Overall, I'm not understanding of many of the pro Albanian posts here. Everytime a hate crime is committed against Serbs you tell us to let the process carry thru, which so far has yielded no convictions. None for the Podujevo bus massacre, the massacre of the 14 Lipljan farmers, the teenagers shot swimming in the river by Pec, nor countless other crimes against Serbs.
On the other hand, Serbs have turned over to the Hague a number of high ranking officials and actually convicted a # of people who carried out crimes against Albanians.
If you want war criminals and crime lords from the KLA run your people than that's your problem, Serbia is moving forward.
Don't be upset because our police is trying to do its job and don't jump on Serbs cases just becuase we don't want people to get away with planting bombs or shooting at police.
We’ve acquired footage that clearly shows the illegal trafficking of arms, primarily in the region of Gnjilane. That shows the intentions of these people, or rather terrorist groups,” said the police chief.
Any normal police force when they video record criminals on the act, they will arrest them on the spot and the footage will be used as evidence in the court of law.
My question to police Chief will be if you recoded the arm smugglers , why didn't you arrest them and nail them to the bone in court of law?
Everybody is wrong. It is Milosevic himself who has risen from the grave to organize and execute this so some can call it the usual propaganda and claim that many are complete desillusional. It is interesting how some commentators are still in complete denial and of course KFOR and EULEX must know about this (and allow it) unless they are sleeping. Collect evidence, deal with the problem, and show it in their faces and watch how they respond.
"...Poor Dacic, he thinks KPS works like Serbian police did in Slobo's time. "Organ trading," "smuggling" and other lies. Why?
Small secret: Serbia still HAS to cooperate with KPS, not EULEX if they want to get visas, it's not a done deal yet. Serbia was told that EULEX is only advisory and KPS does the work so in addition to making it virtually impossible for K-Serbs and B-Serbs to get passports, patrol the Kosova border, Serbia must also cooperate with KPS directly, aka recognize Kosova indirectly.
So, take it all in context, not that anyone believes a word of Serbian officials. Too many you know what...
(aRTA, 16 July 2009 09:16)..."
AND @@@ by KOSOVO-USA
"...Any normal police force when they video record criminals on the act, they will arrest them on the spot and the footage will be used as evidence in the court of law.
My question to police Chief will be if you recoded the arm smugglers , why didn't you arrest them and nail them to the bone in court of law?
(Kosova-USA, 16 July 2009 09:10)..."
and @@@ by Olf
"...Time is for MUP Serbia to make the names known to EULEX and deal with these people.
One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
(Olf, 16 July 2009 10:23)..."
and @@@ by PRN
"... said who...
Police Chief Milorad ...the who???
Oh no...does anyone belives you APART from Serbs.
Oh common if needed we would use other routes and not implicate our brave police force with high international ethics.
(PRN, 16 July 2009 10:56)...""
It may have been the high time for B92 to trace the IP addresses of above mentioned deniers and provide them to the Police Authorities Worldwide which would consequently provided them with adequate treatment behind the Walls of the Prison Institutions concerning the International Laws of strict repression of any sort of terrorist support!
So? We don't hear any complaints from their Washington and Berlin sponsers. Looks like a campaign is underway to create incidents to be used an excuse to prevent further progress of Serbia to the EU.
Well, that is a piece of news!
So not only that local Albanian terrorist are starting with their traditional "killing fields missions", but it is furthermore supplied and encouraged by, so called, "Kosovo Police" ?
In the civilised World that is called "so called, State Supported and Run Terrorism" and in this case that is as a consequence of the fact that executive organs, Eulex and Pieter Feith, are not willing to execute the job for which they were mandated!
Indicative facts just to be added to our ICJ case as an illustration of more than four decades of terrorist practices by local “Kosovo Albanian Authorities” against Serb and non-Albanian population.
I certainly could make you laugh, because if you, your PC and consequently your IP address are situated in the province of Kosovo, then it is definite and obvious that you are out of the reach of International Justice and Order.
Kosovo Albanians secessionist terrorism in Balkans will never stop, that is clearly illustrated in this, and yet another, example of the terrorism being supported and orchestrated from the level of Kosovo Albanians “authorities”!
Question is : shall the support and recognition by EU and other “responsible” States around the World for this "terrorist puppet state" seized to exist ?
This and governor Feith´s insurance that "everything is under control" in his "democrasy" shows clearly that €U supports their local clients of "freedom fighters" in their quest for greater Albania.
€U on it´s own continues to support and instigate further disintegration of Serbia.
Time is for MUP Serbia to make the names known to EULEX and deal with these people.
One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
This is just another serbian propaganda to make some noise,no news here.Serbia is trying very hard to silence the news of the newly discovered mass grave in Kosovo with 11 + counting bodies,included 4 children.Serbs like to call Albanians terrorists,i wonder what should serbs call them self?
Propaganda galore. Bravo, good reporting. Then again, the reason why we hate Serbs so much is because they will stoop to the lowest level to try and seem legitimate.
“It may have been the high time for B92 to trace the IP addresses of above mentioned terrorist supporters and deniers and provide them to the Police Authorities Worldwide which would consequently provided them with adequate treatment behind the Walls of the Prison Institutions concerning the International Laws of strict repression of any sort of terrorist support!
(dean van der serbia, 16 July 2009 14:20)”
Hahahaha! You made me laugh outloud! Did you write the above posts and the ones related to the recent news of the blasts in the presevo valley or someone else wrote them in your name? Because if you have written those statements then I think you should be held accounted for inciting hatred against an all nation and labeling it as terrorists, and what not.
“Kosovo Albanians secessionist terrorism in Balkans will never stop, that is clearly illustrated in this, and yet another, example of the terrorism being supported and orchestrated from the level of Kosovo Albanians “authorities”!”
“So not only that local Albanian terrorist are starting with their traditional "killing fields missions", but it is furthermore supplied and encouraged by, so called, "Kosovo Police"?”
The question is: is there evidence to prove all the latest allegations raised lately by Serbia? Do they know who the attackers and who the smugglers are? If yes, then arrest them; judge them and put them too jail and stop with the empty political propaganda statements.
All this propaganda reminds me of the famous 1986 Memorandum of Serbian Academy of Arts and Science.
Per your comment, all albanians are terrorists, right!
I don't know how could still call albanians so, as the whole World knows what Serbia did to albanians from 1989 - 1999, or if we go back to 1940's...
(Shqiponja, 16 July 2009 18:13)
It's true or not, that lot of KPS members were members of US Departament of State described terrorist organization "UCK"??
P.S. I don't described "all" Albanians as "terrorists" - but only members (ex-members) of terrorist organization.
One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
(Olf, 16 July 2009 10:23)
Never seen a barter deal?
I am short of newer HDD-s but have a lot of good older ones and many (S)ATA controllers. Some people I know have newer HDD-s but no SATA controllers. If work does require, there is always a room to barter.
At this moment taking HDD-s and controllers through borders and administrative lines is not considered immoral or illegal.
Like for us HDD, for others bazooka or AK-47 is just merely a commodity they need for their daily (hard) work.
Everyone has own priorities and problems.
dean van der serbia
Albanian ...ist, ...ist, ...ist.
Sounds like RTB 1989-1999.
Dacic
smugglers usually have their acomplices on the other side.
Having in mind that the territory is under heavy surveilance from 1999 than accomplices are either KFOR or ...
It's not surprise - in KPS are lot of members of terrorist UCK...
(Milan, 16 July 2009 11:12)
Milan,
Per your comment, all albanians are terrorists, right!
I don't know how could still call albanians so, as the whole World knows what Serbia did to albanians from 1989 - 1999, or if we go back to 1940's...
This is a group of people who are used to this. Imagine having them as neighbours...see the New York Times article on Albanians: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/world/europe/17albania.html?_r=1&ref=global-home
Is this truly suprising to many people?
A lot of emotions seemed to be worked up about this information, but I don't find it to be surprising at all.
Was I the only one that thought it was merely a matter of time before a news article was published concerning the illicit/illegal activites of members of the KPS?
I don't find this indicative of "terrorism" but merely a fact of reality of the Balkans where government corruption and organized crime has been a historic problem.
You've taken my comment out of context and twisted it to your satisafaction. Why I am I not surprised.
You should read rebels post and you will understand where I'm coming from on that.
As for the alleged KPS link to arms smuggling, this wouldn't evan be the first time so don't wrap yourself in the innocent until proven guilty rhetoric.
This is a group of people who are used to this. Imagine having them as neighbours...see the New York Times article on Albanians: [link]
(david, 17 July 2009 14:41) thanks for the article david very telling information.
Per your comment, all albanians are terrorists, right!
I don't know how could still call albanians so, as the whole World knows what Serbia did to albanians from 1989 - 1999, or if we go back to 1940's...
(Shqiponja, 16 July 2009 18:13) The CIA up untill 1998 branded the kla a terrorist organization.Unfortunately after 1998 they changed their minds because they realized they could use them like they did the taliban to do their dirty work.GOD bless Serbia and our holy church!
@Nicholas Klinsman who says "I suggest you go to another forum for your posts, since this is a Serb run site..."
actually nicholas, despite this being as you call it, a "serb run site" and you term dissenting voices as pro-albanian. it is in fact a news and journalism organization. One would think that very fact alone would invite discussion and dissenting views.
How very interesting to see you inadvertently "confirm" that is not the case, that you feel this is a forum to advocate a serb agenda rather than...you know. Provide legitimate News.
That serb police apparently have footage, and suspicions, and facts, and an ongoing investigation... to wich they have NOT acted on or made arrests... feel free to blabber about it publicly effectively warning these "real" criminals that the jig is up. is a very dumb thing for police to do, and makes no sense at all. Unless of course it has no basis in reality and a press headline is the goal.
Nothing more hurts serbian image than posts of most serbs posting in here.
Yesterday, many commented on the blast in Preshevo, and their comment are not any better than the ones from Milosevic regime. What means, that no matter what happens Serbs are going to acuse the Albanians in the name of fighting the terrorists. Havent you all gone through this 10 years ago for gods sake.
Six postings, counting, on one THread from one person! including their threatening of other posters! some people have WAY too much time on their hands... (6 postings by one person, counting, on ONE thread!)
anyway, sorry, here is the deal about the south of serbia: i am against violence and terror. there have to be better ways, unless every single possible other means has been tried, which it has not. especially when it comes to your own citizens. otherwise it is a pure copy of the 90s in the balkans -- do people really want that?
so i think the serbian authorities need to sit down with people/officials in this area, try to figure out what is going on (if it isn't already obvious,) and strategize some solutions to defuse the tensions. we might all have suggestions but the main need is to talk, and with respect, not like in the past. if intrnl moderators would help, bring em in. if you don't trust ours, try french, or british, or whichever as long as they are not overly prejudiced. try it -- it is one task that democratic countries need to undertake, hard as it is.
as to this "That's why we hate the Serbs..." i really do not find this useful, not the talk, not the idea. i have fought against racism and anti-Semitism, and various forms of bigotry, for most of my life. not perfectly perhaps, but i've tried my best. as have many of my frnds. i fully understand why people in kosovo will never accept rule from belgrade again -- i support that position and have argued for it, at least for the last decade. loudly and clearly.
but to hate a whole people is wrong, is counter-productive, and frankly racist.
also, i do not believe that the hateful comments here (esp on the english side) reflect the feeling of ALL serbs. i know many who passionately disagree with these super-nationalist views, and all of the ugly anti-albanian rhetoric. i used to ask, plead on a regular basis to hear more from "dissident" serbs, but it just doesn't happen often. i have my own views as to why, but not for now.
with my very good (alb) frnd from podujevo, i've gone out of my way to have him meet frndly serb people, dissidents, intellectuals, human rights people, etc. they are not so hard to find. it isn't just 2 or 3. i wish that people who feel they have to "hate" a whole people actively seek out such persons, for ex. from youth initiative, helsinki committee, and many more.
hate can be overcome, but you have to want to make it happen. we work hard with our students, and sometimes it actually seems to make a difference. in the long run, who knows, but i will never stop trying. and pls, i am not naive, i just try to stay optimistic.
no my dears,no need to have our police involved in that:we do buy arms every day from serbs in serbia proper or in bosnia;and we freely bring them across serbiaproper,not kosovo!
Poor Dacic, he thinks KPS works like Serbian police did in Slobo's time. "Organ trading," "smuggling" and other lies. Why?
Small secret: Serbia still HAS to cooperate with KPS, not EULEX if they want to get visas, it's not a done deal yet. Serbia was told that EULEX is only advisory and KPS does the work so in addition to making it virtually impossible for K-Serbs and B-Serbs to get passports, patrol the Kosova border, Serbia must also cooperate with KPS directly, aka recognize Kosova indirectly.
So, take it all in context, not that anyone believes a word of Serbian officials. Too many you know what...
We’ve acquired footage that clearly shows the illegal trafficking of arms, primarily in the region of Gnjilane. That shows the intentions of these people, or rather terrorist groups,” said the police chief.
Any normal police force when they video record criminals on the act, they will arrest them on the spot and the footage will be used as evidence in the court of law.
My question to police Chief will be if you recoded the arm smugglers , why didn't you arrest them and nail them to the bone in court of law?
Propaganda galore. Bravo, good reporting. Then again, the reason why we hate Serbs so much is because they will stoop to the lowest level to try and seem legitimate.
Time is for MUP Serbia to make the names known to EULEX and deal with these people.
One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
This is just another serbian propaganda to make some noise,no news here.Serbia is trying very hard to silence the news of the newly discovered mass grave in Kosovo with 11 + counting bodies,included 4 children.Serbs like to call Albanians terrorists,i wonder what should serbs call them self?
Well, that is a piece of news!
So not only that local Albanian terrorist are starting with their traditional "killing fields missions", but it is furthermore supplied and encouraged by, so called, "Kosovo Police" ?
In the civilised World that is called "State Supported and Run Terrorism" and in this case that is as a consequence of the fact that executive organs, Eulex and Pieter Feith, are not willing to execute the job for which they were mandated!
Indicative facts just to be added to our ICJ case as an illustration of more than four decades of terrorist practices by local “Kosovo Albanian Authorities” against Serb and non-Albanian population.
“It may have been the high time for B92 to trace the IP addresses of above mentioned terrorist supporters and deniers and provide them to the Police Authorities Worldwide which would consequently provided them with adequate treatment behind the Walls of the Prison Institutions concerning the International Laws of strict repression of any sort of terrorist support!
(dean van der serbia, 16 July 2009 14:20)”
Hahahaha! You made me laugh outloud! Did you write the above posts and the ones related to the recent news of the blasts in the presevo valley or someone else wrote them in your name? Because if you have written those statements then I think you should be held accounted for inciting hatred against an all nation and labeling it as terrorists, and what not.
“Kosovo Albanians secessionist terrorism in Balkans will never stop, that is clearly illustrated in this, and yet another, example of the terrorism being supported and orchestrated from the level of Kosovo Albanians “authorities”!”
“So not only that local Albanian terrorist are starting with their traditional "killing fields missions", but it is furthermore supplied and encouraged by, so called, "Kosovo Police"?”
The question is: is there evidence to prove all the latest allegations raised lately by Serbia? Do they know who the attackers and who the smugglers are? If yes, then arrest them; judge them and put them too jail and stop with the empty political propaganda statements.
All this propaganda reminds me of the famous 1986 Memorandum of Serbian Academy of Arts and Science.
dean van der serbia
Albanian ...ist, ...ist, ...ist.
Sounds like RTB 1989-1999.
Dacic
smugglers usually have their acomplices on the other side.
Having in mind that the territory is under heavy surveilance from 1999 than accomplices are either KFOR or ...
It's not surprise - in KPS are lot of members of terrorist UCK...
(Milan, 16 July 2009 11:12)
Milan,
Per your comment, all albanians are terrorists, right!
I don't know how could still call albanians so, as the whole World knows what Serbia did to albanians from 1989 - 1999, or if we go back to 1940's...
Kosovo Albanians secessionist terrorism in Balkans will never stop, that is clearly illustrated in this, and yet another, example of the terrorism being supported and orchestrated from the level of Kosovo Albanians “authorities”!
Question is : shall the support and recognition, by some EU and other “responsible” States around the World and in the light of frequent terrorist attacks against the Serbs and non-Albanians, for this "terrorist puppet state" seized to exist ?
So? We don't hear any complaints from their Washington and Berlin sponsers. Looks like a campaign is underway to create incidents to be used an excuse to prevent further progress of Serbia to the EU.
Kosovo Albanians secessionist terrorism in Balkans will never stop, that is clearly illustrated in this, and yet another, example of the terrorism being supported and orchestrated from the level of Kosovo Albanians “authorities”!
Question is : shall the support and recognition by EU and other “responsible” States around the World for this "terrorist puppet state" seized to exist ?
Nothing more hurts serbian image than posts of most serbs posting in here.
Yesterday, many commented on the blast in Preshevo, and their comment are not any better than the ones from Milosevic regime. What means, that no matter what happens Serbs are going to acuse the Albanians in the name of fighting the terrorists. Havent you all gone through this 10 years ago for gods sake.
For the good of all Serbian citizens (ethnic Albanians included) these terrorists need to be caught and their group(s) deactivated. The question being how deep do they go? Do they have links to provincial politicians of Albanian ethnicity?
It's time to rid the province and region of all terrorist elements. The sooner the better so EULEX and NATO better get off their backsides!
This is very bad. But, believe me, it is very good news for Serbia concerning ICJ verdict in Hague. Hague and also many countries follow this in media.
Well, that is a piece of news!
So not only that local Albanian terrorist are starting with their traditional "killing fields missions", but it is furthermore supplied and encouraged by, so called, "Kosovo Police" ?
In the civilised World that is called "so called, State Supported and Run Terrorism" and in this case that is as a consequence of the fact that executive organs, Eulex and Pieter Feith, are not willing to execute the job for which they were mandated!
Indicative facts just to be added to our ICJ case as an illustration of more than four decades of terrorist practices by local “Kosovo Albanian Authorities” against Serb and non-Albanian population.
@Nicholas Klinsman who says "I suggest you go to another forum for your posts, since this is a Serb run site..."
actually nicholas, despite this being as you call it, a "serb run site" and you term dissenting voices as pro-albanian. it is in fact a news and journalism organization. One would think that very fact alone would invite discussion and dissenting views.
How very interesting to see you inadvertently "confirm" that is not the case, that you feel this is a forum to advocate a serb agenda rather than...you know. Provide legitimate News.
That serb police apparently have footage, and suspicions, and facts, and an ongoing investigation... to wich they have NOT acted on or made arrests... feel free to blabber about it publicly effectively warning these "real" criminals that the jig is up. is a very dumb thing for police to do, and makes no sense at all. Unless of course it has no basis in reality and a press headline is the goal.
I certainly could make you laugh, because if you, your PC and consequently your IP address are situated in the province of Kosovo, then it is definite and obvious that you are out of the reach of International Justice and Order.
Six postings, counting, on one THread from one person! including their threatening of other posters! some people have WAY too much time on their hands... (6 postings by one person, counting, on ONE thread!)
anyway, sorry, here is the deal about the south of serbia: i am against violence and terror. there have to be better ways, unless every single possible other means has been tried, which it has not. especially when it comes to your own citizens. otherwise it is a pure copy of the 90s in the balkans -- do people really want that?
so i think the serbian authorities need to sit down with people/officials in this area, try to figure out what is going on (if it isn't already obvious,) and strategize some solutions to defuse the tensions. we might all have suggestions but the main need is to talk, and with respect, not like in the past. if intrnl moderators would help, bring em in. if you don't trust ours, try french, or british, or whichever as long as they are not overly prejudiced. try it -- it is one task that democratic countries need to undertake, hard as it is.
as to this "That's why we hate the Serbs..." i really do not find this useful, not the talk, not the idea. i have fought against racism and anti-Semitism, and various forms of bigotry, for most of my life. not perfectly perhaps, but i've tried my best. as have many of my frnds. i fully understand why people in kosovo will never accept rule from belgrade again -- i support that position and have argued for it, at least for the last decade. loudly and clearly.
but to hate a whole people is wrong, is counter-productive, and frankly racist.
also, i do not believe that the hateful comments here (esp on the english side) reflect the feeling of ALL serbs. i know many who passionately disagree with these super-nationalist views, and all of the ugly anti-albanian rhetoric. i used to ask, plead on a regular basis to hear more from "dissident" serbs, but it just doesn't happen often. i have my own views as to why, but not for now.
with my very good (alb) frnd from podujevo, i've gone out of my way to have him meet frndly serb people, dissidents, intellectuals, human rights people, etc. they are not so hard to find. it isn't just 2 or 3. i wish that people who feel they have to "hate" a whole people actively seek out such persons, for ex. from youth initiative, helsinki committee, and many more.
hate can be overcome, but you have to want to make it happen. we work hard with our students, and sometimes it actually seems to make a difference. in the long run, who knows, but i will never stop trying. and pls, i am not naive, i just try to stay optimistic.
"...Poor Dacic, he thinks KPS works like Serbian police did in Slobo's time. "Organ trading," "smuggling" and other lies. Why?
Small secret: Serbia still HAS to cooperate with KPS, not EULEX if they want to get visas, it's not a done deal yet. Serbia was told that EULEX is only advisory and KPS does the work so in addition to making it virtually impossible for K-Serbs and B-Serbs to get passports, patrol the Kosova border, Serbia must also cooperate with KPS directly, aka recognize Kosova indirectly.
So, take it all in context, not that anyone believes a word of Serbian officials. Too many you know what...
(aRTA, 16 July 2009 09:16)..."
AND @@@ by KOSOVO-USA
"...Any normal police force when they video record criminals on the act, they will arrest them on the spot and the footage will be used as evidence in the court of law.
My question to police Chief will be if you recoded the arm smugglers , why didn't you arrest them and nail them to the bone in court of law?
(Kosova-USA, 16 July 2009 09:10)..."
and @@@ by Olf
"...Time is for MUP Serbia to make the names known to EULEX and deal with these people.
One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
(Olf, 16 July 2009 10:23)..."
and @@@ by PRN
"... said who...
Police Chief Milorad ...the who???
Oh no...does anyone belives you APART from Serbs.
Oh common if needed we would use other routes and not implicate our brave police force with high international ethics.
(PRN, 16 July 2009 10:56)...""
It may have been the high time for B92 to trace the IP addresses of above mentioned deniers and provide them to the Police Authorities Worldwide which would consequently provided them with adequate treatment behind the Walls of the Prison Institutions concerning the International Laws of strict repression of any sort of terrorist support!
Nah, don't ban people like aRTA or PRN from this site. I get a kick out of their daily rantings. PRN in particular who writes the most ridiculous things and then recommends his own post 45 times (I'm almost convinced PRN is actually a Serb trying to disguise himself as the most clueless Albanian out there just to stoke anger).
"One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
(Olf, 16 July 2009 10:23)"
Beats the Hell out of me, Olf. You're the one with the apparent belief of the perennial innocence of the Albanian mentality, despite the fact their inventory of weapons never seems to be in short supply. Perhaps you can answer your own rhetorical question.
This and governor Feith´s insurance that "everything is under control" in his "democrasy" shows clearly that €U supports their local clients of "freedom fighters" in their quest for greater Albania.
€U on it´s own continues to support and instigate further disintegration of Serbia.
Everybody is wrong. It is Milosevic himself who has risen from the grave to organize and execute this so some can call it the usual propaganda and claim that many are complete desillusional. It is interesting how some commentators are still in complete denial and of course KFOR and EULEX must know about this (and allow it) unless they are sleeping. Collect evidence, deal with the problem, and show it in their faces and watch how they respond.
@Rebel: If you hate Serbs, I suggest you go to another forum for your posts, since this is a Serb run site. Maybe if you stay away from these discussions it will clear up your anger issues.
Overall, I'm not understanding of many of the pro Albanian posts here. Everytime a hate crime is committed against Serbs you tell us to let the process carry thru, which so far has yielded no convictions. None for the Podujevo bus massacre, the massacre of the 14 Lipljan farmers, the teenagers shot swimming in the river by Pec, nor countless other crimes against Serbs.
On the other hand, Serbs have turned over to the Hague a number of high ranking officials and actually convicted a # of people who carried out crimes against Albanians.
If you want war criminals and crime lords from the KLA run your people than that's your problem, Serbia is moving forward.
Don't be upset because our police is trying to do its job and don't jump on Serbs cases just becuase we don't want people to get away with planting bombs or shooting at police.
You've taken my comment out of context and twisted it to your satisafaction. Why I am I not surprised.
You should read rebels post and you will understand where I'm coming from on that.
As for the alleged KPS link to arms smuggling, this wouldn't evan be the first time so don't wrap yourself in the innocent until proven guilty rhetoric.
Is this truly suprising to many people?
A lot of emotions seemed to be worked up about this information, but I don't find it to be surprising at all.
Was I the only one that thought it was merely a matter of time before a news article was published concerning the illicit/illegal activites of members of the KPS?
I don't find this indicative of "terrorism" but merely a fact of reality of the Balkans where government corruption and organized crime has been a historic problem.
This is a group of people who are used to this. Imagine having them as neighbours...see the New York Times article on Albanians: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/world/europe/17albania.html?_r=1&ref=global-home
One thing is not clear to me, why smuggle weapon in Serbia when Serbia is full of them.
(Olf, 16 July 2009 10:23)
Never seen a barter deal?
I am short of newer HDD-s but have a lot of good older ones and many (S)ATA controllers. Some people I know have newer HDD-s but no SATA controllers. If work does require, there is always a room to barter.
At this moment taking HDD-s and controllers through borders and administrative lines is not considered immoral or illegal.
Like for us HDD, for others bazooka or AK-47 is just merely a commodity they need for their daily (hard) work.
Everyone has own priorities and problems.
Per your comment, all albanians are terrorists, right!
I don't know how could still call albanians so, as the whole World knows what Serbia did to albanians from 1989 - 1999, or if we go back to 1940's...
(Shqiponja, 16 July 2009 18:13)
It's true or not, that lot of KPS members were members of US Departament of State described terrorist organization "UCK"??
P.S. I don't described "all" Albanians as "terrorists" - but only members (ex-members) of terrorist organization.
Per your comment, all albanians are terrorists, right!
I don't know how could still call albanians so, as the whole World knows what Serbia did to albanians from 1989 - 1999, or if we go back to 1940's...
(Shqiponja, 16 July 2009 18:13) The CIA up untill 1998 branded the kla a terrorist organization.Unfortunately after 1998 they changed their minds because they realized they could use them like they did the taliban to do their dirty work.GOD bless Serbia and our holy church!
This is a group of people who are used to this. Imagine having them as neighbours...see the New York Times article on Albanians: [link]
(david, 17 July 2009 14:41) thanks for the article david very telling information.
no my dears,no need to have our police involved in that:we do buy arms every day from serbs in serbia proper or in bosnia;and we freely bring them across serbiaproper,not kosovo!
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