"Blast in south classic act of terrorism"

So, they are starting again? Using the terrorism to reach their goal. It worked out "well" in Kosovo, and they got away with it, so why not trying again?
The West and the World is watching? ...or maybe no...they are too busy with new recognition of their “terrorist protégée” ?

Terrorists in south Serbia should be destroyed, including terrorist "government of Kosovo". Only becouse existing of this pseudocountry, Albanian terrorists feel "power" and thinking, that they can doing second Kosovo War.

No country in the world would be expected to stay silent and not act when terrorists attack their population.

It doesn't matter who the victims or perpetrators are, they are citizens and should be protected.

This is an attempt by Albanian elements to goad Serbia into a crack down, the hope being that Albanians will start claiming their families are being massacred and the west will come in and seize Presevo area. The problem is that this is not the Clinton world and I don't see this old plan succeeding in this new world. Now, Russia unlike the Russia of the 1990s is stronger. The West is also accepting Serbia into the EU, much quicker may I add than it's accepting Albania. BY the way, why isn't Albania on the road to membership when it was an independent country for longer than Montenegro and Macedonia, at least in recent history? That's odd.

The Americans have rewarded terror and jihad in the Balkans and this is what you get.

I would get Serbian commandos working with Russian special forces to root out this cancer once and for all.

I would hope the Greek Government can also send special forces to crush Islamic extremism once and for all.

Olf

Sorry, I am an EU citizen of an EU country and I would have no problem with Serbia in the EU as well. I am sure most EU citizens would only have a problem with taking in another country due to overstretching its current carrying capacity in terms of funds, or the question of religion (hence, why Turkey still has not joined, and will not, God willing).

The way you are writing, it almost makes it sounds as if you think that the average EU citizen would love to have Albania as a member, yet not Serbia? Sounds ridiculous, sorry to say.

No,albanians never use 2 times the same tactics.only serbs do so!
(lili, 14 July 2009 11:17)

No because they use it 3 or 4 times. Kosovo, Presevo, Macedonia and Presevo again.

The timing is not coincidental. This is an organized attempt to sabotage Serbia from joining the white Shengen countries on Januray 1, 2010 by the increasingly desperate and marginalized armed militants in the south. They will only succeed in further isolating the ethnic Albanians that they claim to represent on both sides of the administrative line.

@@@ by A

"...No evidence that Albanians stood behind is completely ignored.

(A, 14 July 2009 11:59)..."

AAAAAAA(h), thanks for "eye-opener".
Yep, we forgot to reconsider maybe extreme radicals from Ivory Coast and Papua New Guinea first? Sure.
Looks like some Albanians are starting to enjoy using "bully boy" tactics learned from their Big "bully boy" daddy.

Tadic,

you have the list of former UCPMB fighters,arrest them,break their back and send so much police into Presevo that at every streetcorner there are two policemen.
Then it will stop,Albanians,as showed this case,only take on women and small children,they fear the Serbian forces like hell,I know that as a veteran.
This is typical of your conduct:"Oh we will react with no force and everything will be alright".
Now you got the thank you...

If it looks like a snake, leaves marks like a snake - then maybe it's a snake?

I suspect this is yet another act of provocation by cowards being protected within Kosovo. They think that they can provoke a repeat of 1998-1999 and extend their 'empire' into Presevo. The Americans are too busy elsewhere to attack again on your behalf

@@@ by Olf

“”...It is really sad to read comments like like "terrorists", Clinton is not her to protect you, americans are busy ...When I read something like this than every EU citizen tthiks twice before allowing Serbs in EU.

(Olf, 14 July 2009 12:16)...””



Hallelujah !

So, how we should call once (namely Albanian radicals, extremists and terrorists) who granate innocent civilians, families of local police officers, woman and kids, at night and on their sleep ?
Maybe ”collateral damage from friendly neighbour collective radical nationalistic madness” ?

Sorry about that...from now on, we will “happily and willingly” let ourselves being blown in the air to fulfil our EU aspirations and expectations of “by your wishful thinking projected idea of the concept of the mind and thinking”” of average EU citizens.

What a bunch of terrorists. This is how it was living with albanians in Kosmet. These fanatics need to rounded up the sooner the better!

I seem to recall numerous statements reflecting the excellent cooperation shared between VS and KFOR in the region. I also seem to recall a number of measures taken that allows VS to advance within a hair's breath of the administrative border with Kosovo Province. With this in mind, I fully agree with a few poster above me that Serbia should jointly operate with NATO and especially the United States in rooting out terrorism in the Presevo Valley. It's time Serbia learned to market itself effectively to the West as the Albanians have done and even the odds.

I dont think the western powers will be any more understanding now then they where before and especially not now since Nabucco oil pipe is signed and will run through Serbia to Albania.

That was their purpouse with the war against Yugoslavia, that was the purpouse with Camp Bondsteel and that is why they are hell bent on exterminate any serbian living in or close to KosovO.

If they get that far. The next move will be Russias and Serbia will be a part of it.

No,albanians never use 2 times the same tactics.only serbs do so!

Now Serbs can start with their favourite sports which is bashing on Albanians. No evidence that Albanians stood behind is completely ignored. Who ever did this must have learned from the Serbs in north of Kosovo.

This time Serbia should ask for help from the UK/US and Russia in training and supporting the Serbian police in Presavo. That way if any of these international police are harmed they are likely to be more understanding of the Serbian situation. They will also be less likely to be sympathetic to any new UCPMB uprising.

If this was done in 98 in Kosovo things would be a lot different today. If the people think that the Serbian police are tough, just wait until a few cops from Alabama pull them over.

YES! This is not the 90´s so feel safe to send in the big guns and take a leap over to wherever those cowards are hiding in KosovO as well.

Serbia is fully entitled to protect itself against terrorists so no half measures please, restore the order.

'that way if any of these international police are harmed they are likely to be more understanding of the Serbian situation. They will also be less likely to be sympathetic to any new UCPMB uprising.

If this was done in 98 in Kosovo things would be a lot different today. If the people think that the Serbian police are tough, just wait until a few cops from Alabama pull them over.'

sorry, no :) we can send our police to alabama if you like but no foreign personnel will cross that admin line, sorry :) btw, it was done in 98. what it came down to was cia men wearing osce baseball hats preparing for war next year while their politicians prepared to give serbia ultimatum they knew serbia couldnt accept.
anyway i say i wish our boys were a little less tough at times but what can we do. anyway regretable that you dont know albanians in presevo valley did attack internationals in 2000, 2001. when nato occupied our land in 1999 our forces and police couldnt patrol ground safety zone but once albanians started attacking un and nato our boys were back.
read a little about ucpmb, its an interesting piece in the big picture of albanian terrorism.
this government btw is doing what every government since 2000 did. they have instructions from abroad not to react to anything. but this governments on its way out. i wonder for how long the west will spend money and energy installing governments in serbia. you know its a heck of a job plus it costs money and other things as well..

I am shocked from the comments of the Serbian camp today. The peace and understanding between Serbs and Albanians seems to be farther today than yesterday. On one side we have all Serbs accusing Albanians as terrorists without even waiting for the voice of Serbian court. On another side we have mass graves recently discovered with the victims (among them children) but no condemns from the Serbs. The attention is given to the so called terrorist attacks which have been often without authors (officially) but on the bill of Albanians practically from the Serb commentators. When I read the comments here I see no sign of change in comparison to 1999, still the same language and the same “recommendations”.

“So, they are starting again?”

Who are they??? There is still no sign of “terrorists” of some days ago. It seems that Serbian justice is very effective the same as their propaganda.

“BY the way, why isn't Albania on the road to membership when it was an independent country for longer than Montenegro and Macedonia, at least in recent history? That's odd.”

The road of Albania to the EU membership is slow but surely. It has nothing to do with the independence. We are much closer to the west while you should pass first through some not much friendly countries. Let alone Holland.

“you have the list of former UCPMB fighters,arrest them,break their back and send so much police into Presevo that at every streetcorner there are two policemen”

These statements only prove what has been said before. The attitude of Serbs toward Albanians remains unchanged. The solution should not come through military means because as you Serbs know it has been always disaster for you.

“Then it will stop,Albanians,as showed this case,only take on women and small children,they fear the Serbian forces like hell,I know that as a veteran”

The majority of Albanian victims in Kosovo were women, children and old men which associate the Serbs which such tactics. Even villagers armed with handguns never feared the Serbian army that is why the victims were only such mentioned above. As for the young generation, including me educated at the military academy in Germany, I only wish to take the first line in any possible front particularly against the veterans like you. There is no need to count the number of defeats of Serbian army against real armies.

“No country in the world would be expected to stay silent and not act when terrorists attack their population.”

Couldn’t agree more with you. The victims appear to be Albanians. Please find these terrorists as soon as possible. Don’t forget to check also in Belgrade where a luxus Masserati was ready for detonation. It could be an act of terrorism in the center of Bg as well.

“Sorry, I am an EU citizen of an EU country and I would have no problem with Serbia in the EU as well.”

You have proved to be very biased. Thus your opinion is irrelevant. Please give us the arguments why you are pro. Just yesterday I heard a German ex politician in Bosnia Christian Sch who considered very big mistake the visa liberalization with Serbia. The butchers win and the victims lost. Based of the comments above I can hardly thing something positive Serbia could offer to the EU. The harsh language and the huge bunch of communists and nationalists here represent the image of today Serbia.

“The way you are writing, it almost makes it sounds as if you think that the average EU citizen would love to have Albania as a member, yet not Serbia? Sounds ridiculous, sorry to say.”

Actually the politics decides who is in and who is out. With signing of MSA the EU states gave to Albania full support to the road of membership also for NATO. Where is Serbia in those processes????

“So, how we should call once (namely Albanian radicals, extremists and terrorists) who granate innocent civilians, families of local police officers, woman and kids, at night and on their sleep ?”

Those statements reminded to me exactly 1989 and 1999. We all know how it ended…..

“I would hope the Greek Government can also send special forces to crush Islamic extremism once and for all.”

Just tell you commandos to be careful not to face any Turkish soldiers on their way. We Albanians still keep strong the feeling of friendship with Greece while they don’t wait long to repay the same respect. Unfortunately I have seen in Germany many of them ready to go back……

I honestly expected quite another language this time after the first attack still with none responsible. It is hard to root out almost 90 years propaganda.

It is really sad to read comments like like "terrorists", Clinton is not her to protect you, americans are busy ..., all of them calling on Serbian forces taking armed action against Albanian population.
Nothing more could be considered as being against Serbias White Schengen than post that call for armed action against civilans.
When I read something like this than every EU citizen tthiks twice before allowing Serbs in EU.

Outstanding!!!!!
Olf is not concerned about the act itself. He is concerned about comments.
I'm speechless...

It doesn't matter who the victims or perpetrators are, they are citizens and should be protected.
(kate, 14 July 2009 13:04)

You mean like in Bosnia and Kosovo?
Stop playing the victim role.

'Olf' said:
> You dont know if there were Albanians that commited this crime

Not for sure no, but then this forum is not a court of law.

However is fairly obvious to most (probably including you) that albanian separatists are responsible - particularily after the recent attack on the serb police in this volatile region.

And would assume that these events might be of interest to those considering what effect legitimising a certain UDI would have - especially in relation to those seeking to follow the 'Kosovo blueprint'.

Closing date for further written submissions before ICJ is the 17th.


'aRTA' said:
> Do the math, who benefits from these explosions?

Strange that whenever an incident occurs that puts albanians in 'a bad light', someone always seems to say it was a 'serb set-up'.

Pity about the albanian track-record in these incidents isn't it.

Incidentally, what does the 'mass-grave' in Gjilane have to do with this story. Or for that matter, with the rest of your comment above.

Throwing mud in multiple directions perhaps?

Story is about attacks on serb police targets in a predominantly albanian region.

Much like the events in Kosovo prior to the civil war in 98/99.


Pz:
And the 'hand-grenades, bomb-timers, guns & pistols' were kid's toys?

While I certainly don't believe the serb justice system is fair & impartial, neither do I believe that albanian separatists in the presevo valley are armed with 'roses'.

Or perhaps you believe that 'those in presevo' will be content with their brethrens success in Kosovo?

Hopefully, the judges of the ICJ will not.

"No, albanians never use 2 times the same tactics."

Oh really, is this rule written down in the "Handboook of Terrorist Tactics"? Give me a break!

This is exactly like Kosovo in 1998/1999. Same people, same tactics, but this time they will not succeed.

marinels
just a reminder.
germany is 0-2 in its last two wars.
Albania is 0-1 in its last war as well.
Serbia is 2-2 in its last 4 wars.

you speak of biases from peter yet your slant is visible from space.

maybe before you start throwing stones in your luxurious german glass flat you might ask your honerable former Foreign Minister Klaus Kinkel about his 1997 plans to invade serbia and rip kosovo away and give it to a former ally.
if you're interested in reading something that is true fell free to read the following.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14332

'Serbia should jointly operate with NATO and especially the United States in rooting out terrorism in the Presevo Valley'
you agree? i fully disagree. one, we dont need help. two, this is albanian tactic, what they call internationalisation. the working idea is that when internationals arrive in a few years time they'll steal the territory from serbia. united states is not a friendly country to say the least and anyway it should be out of our territory of kosovo, not invading more of our territory. if you want to fight terrorism go look for bin laden or something. enough with nitwit colonialism already. once again we have crack police and need noone's help to defend our land. we did just fine even when 19 nato countries illegally ganged up against us for 3 months, we can deal with sheep herders turned terrorists thank you very much.

Peter,

I dont share your opinion and frankly speaking Serbia in EU with all those war criminal around sound-you name it how.
Since I can choose, as EU citizne I would not in any case accept Van der Serbia for a neighbour.Sorry.

Van der ...

1. You dont know if there were Albanians that commited this crime
2. Still civilians are not to blame for actions of some people
3. Car bomb not exploded in Belgrade yesterday - what you suggest to do. Shoot people at random because they live there or are there at the moment.

oh and sorry i dont mean to spam just saw this

'Where are mixed police units that were agreed in 2001?'

they're there. the mixed police units are there. your point please?
but they're regular police. you cant count on them to defend themselves from terrorism let alone fight it. maybe someone remembers konculj attack about two years ago? look it up. other units are there because that's why budget pays them to act when ordinary police cant handle problems.
anyway we have a guy called bajrami for example in zandarmerija. xhandarmeria you know? anyway that's albanian. thats multiethnic. doesnt have to be formally multiethnic, but it is in reality.

to marinels:

I haven't read so much nonsense in 1 comment for a while now. But your threats mean as much as the famous "ahtisari package plan," because we all seen how brave albanians were in 99 (always have someone else fight for them - this time it was america - a while back it was hitler).

By great defeats - did you mean like the one in 99 from nato? Oh yes nato must be really proud of all those direct civillian targets (WAR CRIMES). SHAME!!!

Anyway thanks for showing your support for these latest terrorist attacks.

Tell us what year were those buildings build and when this Serbian families moved to this part of Albania.There will be no peace until serb leave the areas of nish Pirot,medvegja bujanovac preshev sanxhak and others.Not to forget Hungarian Vojvodina.
(Bledo, 14 July 2009 16:27)

Thank you for your honest post here. At least you are prepared to say exactly what your goals are not like your brothers who keep lying that Serbs are all criminals and tht's why they should not return to Kosovo. At least we can hear from the horse's mouth what the goal is, and that is to ethically cleanse most of Serbia from Serbs.

“Interior Minister Ivica Dačić says that the explosion in Preševo where a woman and an ethnic Albanian child were injured was "a classic act of terrorism.“
One person has been arrested on suspicion of smuggling arms from Kosovo.

Dačić said that the suspect, Ćenan Mehmeti, had been arrested for attempting to smuggle arms across the administrative line with Kosovo, adding that the hunt was on for a further three suspects.

Gendarmerie members have seized large quantities of hand grenades, bomb timers, guns and pistols at various locations during the day.”
To me this is all some nasty game. Serbia has some time now wanting to change the Kumanovo Agreement and what a better way to convince the NATO and other Int. bodies that this is really necessary to fight against “terrorist attacks”, arms smuggling etc, etc. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=12&dd=02&nav_id=55448
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=12&dd=01&nav_id=55431
Of course I might be very wrong with this idea, but I somehow have it.
A question to the Serb camp, since I see many of them, if not all, are calling this attack as being committed by Albanians. Do you guys believe in the Serbian justice and courts?? If yes, then please stop judging; let the court do its work. You keep calling everyday how the Int. Law should be respected, while you interfere with your own (Serbia’s) judicial system.
As for myself, I stick to my above idea.

4 children were found in the mass grave in Gjilane this week.

Do the math, who benefits from these explosions?

At no time do I condone this horrible act and prepetrators should get the harshest punishment.
(Kosova-USA, 14 July 2009 17:10)

Mate, By using the name Kosova-USA you have promoted to everyone that you do condone this kind of KLA terrorist behavior, just like the leaders of the puppet state KosovO

"so how on earth can you expect sympathy from abroad, a positive icj ruling, support in regaining kosovo/a, annexing bosnia... how on earth can you expect the world to sit still and smile while serb nationalists (try to) do an instant replay of the 90s? it aint't happening, and that is your reality check from outside serbia, from the west."
roberto frisco
(roberto, 14 July 2009 23:45)

Roberto - who is nationalist?? Serbia - the last real multhietnic country on the Balkan Peninsula, or mayby Albanian minority who need to create more and more ethnic clean pseudocountries like Kosovo??

since Nabucco oil pipe is signed and will run through Serbia to Albania. "

No it does not. There's TAP planned to go through Albania but then it might not. Serbia is not part of Nabucco, for obvious reasons (US /EU i trying to avoid the Russians)

Tension in southern Serbia is orchestrated by Pristina politicians, who wants to steal more serbian territory.

Where are mixed police units that were agreed in 2001? No agreement of 2001 was respected by the Serbia government; actually it was even worse, continuing with the arrest and terror over Albanians…
You can not full the world that your government is democratic, for sure, but the west is trying to embrace the Serbs into the civilization, at last… but that does not make happy Albanians!
Hopefully something will change in Serbia’s government stance, and they will release all political prisoners, will stop the repression against the Albanians in Preshevo, Bujanovc and Medvegje and the existing problems will be solved, otherwise, I smell a bad future.

One person has been arrested on suspicion of smuggling arms from Kosovo.


I don't see the relevance to the explosion. Besides, why the woman and the child were Albanians since the building is occupied by serb police and gendarmerie families. this whole thing is fishy to me.
At no time do I condone this horrible act and prepetrators should get the harshest punishment.

otherwise we can continue till we take over peace by peace
(Amantia, 14 July 2009 20:07)

Serbs have know about this plan for the last 600 years under the ottomans, still trying to please your Turkish masters I see.

Attn Roberto, Marinels, et all:

I cannot help but read your comments above and come to ponder the sad state of affairs of this world. Where there are acts of terrorism or cruelty commited, i sense that the envy and spite in some people win out over their base humanity.

Roberto, without doubt you tailor your comments with airs of superiority and worldliness that sadly you are devoid of. I truly doubt you are who you say you are... everyone in the east coast, even in NY where the democrat rage is rampant, regard San Fran as the "bleeding heart liberal" capital. Yet you are such a cannibal on this site that I seriously think you have very little to do with San fran or Cali.

Marinels, I cannot begin to do your comments justice by commenting on them, there isnt enough web space or ram available to begin.

Why cant the albanian camp just for once state that terrible deeds were done, the world is not perfect, we can all strive to do better, to be better, and leave it at that.

By-the-bye, just to let you know... No one cares about any of this. Not the Germans, the Italians, the Brits, and especially not the US. Despite what Roberto may spew forth, No one cares or is "watching", not even our politicians.

do the presheva Albanians want serbia? NO

this is the truth dear serbs.

there will be no peace if Albanians have no peace.

otherwise we can continue till we take over peace by peace
(Amantia, 14 July 2009 20:07)
Do Kosovo Serbs wants "independent" Kosovo?? NO. This is the truth my dear Albanians...

I have tried off and on to comment neutrally on the subject of Kosovo dispute and have had a lot of sympathy for the Serbian minority in Kosovo. However, when I read the posts of many Serbs on this site, calling every Albanian a TERRORIST for a grenade that even Serbian MUP forces have no clue where it came from, this goes beyond my imagination. And the ones who are calling for more arrests, and brutality against South Serbian Albanians, they forget that South Serbian Albanians were there, before Serbs moved into Balkans and before some Albanians who are believed to have moved into Kosovo from Albania. These are your citizens, whether you like it or not. Read the World Displaced Persons Statistics and you'll find out that there has been no immigration to this particular place from Kosovo or Albania in over 100 years. In fact, 48 thousand Albanians have emigrated from Presevo valley to Kosovo during the years of Milosevic brutality, thus giving a higher edge to the majority of Albanians in Kosovo. So, if you want us foreigners to believe that 200 thousand Serbs were forced to leave Kosovo, which may be true, you also have to take into an account your wrong doings, and the numbers of Albanians forced to leave from southern Serbia. I am in no way defending the criminal elements of that region and if the perpetrators happen to be Albanians, by all means, they ought to be brought to justice. But you can't victimise the entire population of the area just because one of them happened to hate on what you stand for.

And yes, some of us foreigners read about the truth in Balkans, we are not all ignorant.

albanians killing innocent albanian civilians again to further their terrorist agenda .DISGUSTING.

Tell us what year were those buildings build and when this Serbian families moved to this part of Albania.There will be no peace until serb leave the areas of nish Pirot,medvegja bujanovac preshev sanxhak and others.Not to forget Hungarian Vojvodina.

It doesn't matter who the victims or perpetrators are, they are citizens and should be protected.
(kate, 14 July 2009 13:04)

You mean like in Bosnia and Kosovo?
Stop playing the victim role.
(Ed, 14 July 2009 14:18)

We ARE the victims too, or don't Serbian casualties mean anything to you? Are they just vermin which needs to be eradicated?

Roberto@45, we all know your stand very well by now. Please stop using anything and everything to insinuate that the reason the west will not be on Serbia's side is that Serbs want to eliminate all Albanians because of the responses here.
Perhaps if your brothers stopped with terrorist activities, Serbs would stop with comments of anger and frustration. Enough is enough. I think the world will actually start to understand why Serbs are angry at Albanians. If they had so much terrorist activity in their back yard they would feel the same way. This sort of going on by the Albanians will distance them from the world, not the Serbs.
What response do you expect when your brothers continue with their terrorist activities?

"reality check" for roberto from frisco, also "from the west" - if you look at the way the west is dealing with terrorism and especially usa and israel you will realise that something else rather than humanitarian concerns motivates their policies. killing innocent people is certainly not a problem if it serves their purposes. and if it serves their purposes they could support serbia against albanians. the only question is, does it serve their purposes at this point in time.

nobody cares about your pseduo-leftist moralising, least of all your own politicians.

It's amazing how these are "ethnic" albanians & not "kosovars"....but when you read any reference to Kosovo - it's an albanian.

No,albanians never use 2 times the same tactics.only serbs do so!
(lili, 14 July 2009 11:17)

lili - you couldn't be more wrong.....how many times was electricity shut off. THat's a crime against humanity particularly since it's the invaders who didn't pay their bills & the "new" government taking advantage of the situation.

Oh please - this is so tired!

Whoever did this, just lock them up & throw away the key.

kohl:

I am not German as you describe me. Obviously you haven’t read my comment properly. I have only studied at military academy in Germany. I am wondering about Albania 0-1?
Could you enlighten us this sentence?

>>Terrorists in south Serbia should be destroyed, including terrorist "government of Kosovo"...>>

so here is my question: every time some incident happens (once a week?) we get an outpouring of super-hate, above and beyond the usual low-level animosity, from the other side. ready to "deal" once and for all, with the "albanian question." now it is one thing to share these niceties with yr local audience, preach to the choir, etc. but as some (and I) have pointed out, this forum goes out to people around the world. every one of us knows exactly -- precisely -- how, given half a chance, you would choose to deal with yr perceived enemies.

so how on earth can you expect sympathy from abroad, a positive icj ruling, support in regaining kosovo/a, annexing bosnia... how on earth can you expect the world to sit still and smile while serb nationalists (try to) do an instant replay of the 90s? it aint't happening, and that is your reality check from outside serbia, from the west.

now mike, i believe, says that you all are suffering from some kind of image problem. and aside from any and every possible ethical consideration, i agree with him. just reading this forum (not to mention so many other sources, i can think of a quick dozen in english)you will never ever gain sympathy from the west, for your "solutions"

roberto frisco

NATO did not help the albanian terorists in Presevo in 2001 .They actually allowed the then Yugoslav army to crush them.

“Pz:
And the 'hand-grenades, bomb-timers, guns & pistols' were kid's toys?

While I certainly don't believe the serb justice system is fair & impartial, neither do I believe that albanian separatists in the presevo valley are armed with 'roses'.

Or perhaps you believe that 'those in presevo' will be content with their brethrens success in Kosovo?

Hopefully, the judges of the ICJ will not.
(peter, sydney, 14 July 2009 17:54)’
Peter, in both cases (recent attacks) there was no evidence provided to prove that the attackers were Albanians. The Serbian Camp in here immediately jumped to conclude that Albanians stand behind. What is even worse in this case is the hatred spewed by the Serb or pro Serb commentators against a whole nation. Here are few of them:
“Milan: Terrorists in south Serbia should be destroyed, including terrorist "government of Kosovo". Only becouse existing of this pseudocountry, Albanian terrorists feel "power" and thinking, that they can doing second Kosovo War”
“dean van der Serbia:So, they are starting again? Using the terrorism to reach their goal. It worked out "well" in Kosovo, and they got away with it, so why not trying again?
The West and the World is watching? ...or maybe no...they are too busy with new recognition of their “terrorist protégée”
“So, how we should call once (namely Albanian radicals, extremists and terrorists) who granate innocent civilians, families of local police officers, woman and kids, at night and on their sleep ?
Maybe ”collateral damage from friendly neighbour collective radical nationalistic madness’.
“Daniel: This is an attempt by Albanian elements to goad Serbia into a crack down, the hope being that Albanians will start claiming their families are being massacred and the west will come in and seize Presevo area…”
“CG: Tadic, you have the list of former UCPMB fighters,arrest them,break their back and send so much police into Presevo that at every streetcorner there are two policemen.
Then it will stop,Albanians,as showed this case,only take on women and small children,they fear the Serbian forces like hell,I know that as a veteran.
This is typical of your conduct:"Oh we will react with no force and everything will be alright". Etc.
Now please tell me if this is ok with you? Do these kinds of comments prove that Serbia has really changed?
“Grenades, bomb-timers, guns & pistols' as you mention do not necessarily prove that attackers were of Albanian nationality. Why didn’t anyone call the man who entered the Serbian Presidency building with two grenades a terrorist or the attack on the judge in Knjazevac, etc. se the links for yourself.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=12&dd=28&nav_id=56046
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=59310
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=04&dd=14&nav_category=108&nav_id=40681
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=60259
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=07&dd=22&nav_id=52114
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=21&nav_id=48670
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=03&dd=15&nav_id=57840
Serbia claims that Kosovo is part of Serbia, so if it will be proven that the attackers were of Albanian ethnicity living in Presevo or Kosovo why not refer to attackers as Serbian Citizens and not call them Albanian radicals, extremists, terrorists, etc.
A criminal is a criminal and who ever commits a criminal act should not be judged based on his/her ethnicity but based on the damage and the harm caused by the attack.

do the presheva Albanians want serbia? NO

this is the truth dear serbs.

there will be no peace if Albanians have no peace.

otherwise we can continue till we take over peace by peace

Of course Albanins know these scanarios very well. Create a situation to justify what is being done by institutions of Serbia against Albanians and their existence in Presevo valley.THis is building postion for Kosovo and last attempt for partition but before that is on the table they want Albanians to leave presevo valley the same they killed most of bosnians to creat republic of serpska and then sign the Dayton. Remeber 10 youg people were arrested one day before new years eve. I am sorry I forgot for a bit that Dacic is a poltician who worked with Milosevic, grew under Milosevic and if I was a Serb I would be ashamed of having a minsiter going after Albaninas the same way milosevic went. Where are thousands that killed kids and raped women in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Marinels

wasn't Albania part of the WWII Axis forces (alingned with Germany, Italy, Croatia and oh yes Albania -- as well as some others). Didn't this rag tag bunch of fascists get trounced by the rest of us?

I am well aware that you simply studied at the military academy, and are not infact German. That doesn't change my sentiment in the slightest. If you follow the link you'll see that the connection between former facsist allies is still as strong as ever. And in this marriage of convenience it is not Albania that is the boss, but rather Germany.

Pz:
> Peter, in both cases (recent attacks) there was no evidence provided to prove that the attackers were Albanians. Etc.. etc.. etc.

Re-read my post.. this isn't 'the hague'.

Hatred? Don't see it reflected in what I've written. Have merely been drawing on that iritating (to some) Kosovo precedent.

As for the other examples you've cited, don't really see it either in the comments of 'Daniel' & 'dean van der Serbia' who are merely expressing an opinion, as am I, as are you. But have no real interest in the words of those who wallow in 'political correctness' like 'roberto' & like to harp on that particular topic, which is by no means the exclusive province of serbs.

All those links to ordinary criminal attacks on the police or judiciary? Suggesting these attacks could be just more of the same?

May be your opinion. Isn't mine.

Repeating..
Pity about the albanian track-record in these incidents isn't it.

Repeating..
Story is about attacks on serb police targets in a predominantly albanian region. Much like the events in Kosovo prior to the civil war in 98/99

Repeating..
..neither do I believe that albanian separatists in the presevo valley are armed with 'roses'. Or perhaps you believe that 'those in presevo' will be content with their brethrens success in Kosovo?

If it looks like a duck.. walks like a duck.. & quacks like a duck... then it is most likely... A duck.

Question is, do the ICJ judges like duck?

"Besides, why the woman and the child were Albanians since the building is occupied by serb police and gendarmerie families. this whole thing is fishy to me."(Kosova-USA, 14 July 2009 17:10)

Only the child has been identified as an Albanian who was either the child of a policeman or more likely a passer by.

Its very upset in hearing of some comments of some serbs being proud as defenders or great!!??But hey the "good think" is they really are forgetting who and what they nationalist brothers DID...To humanity..!!!

"Serbia claims that Kosovo is part of Serbia, so if it will be proven that the attackers were of Albanian ethnicity living in Presevo or Kosovo why not refer to attackers as Serbian Citizens and not call them Albanian radicals, extremists, terrorists, etc.
A criminal is a criminal and who ever commits a criminal act should not be judged based on his/her ethnicity but based on the damage and the harm caused by the attack.
(Pz, 15 July 2009 10:17)"

But if they are committing the terrorist act and are attempting to futher their own ethnic group's status or whatever then that is something that is bound to be reported. In reporting crime the citizenship of the person comitting it will usually only be given if they are not a citizen of the country they committed the crime in.

kohl, thank you very much for the link.
Great article!

russian,

if you're interested that second part of that article has now been posted. I haven't yet read it, but will certainly some time soon.
hope you enjoy...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14377

Marinels - do You know albanian SS Division "Skanderbeg"?? Do you know Balli Kombëtar who supported Germans in 1943-44?? Do You know Partia Fashiste e Shqipërisë with their program of Greater Albania?? Do You know Albanian MVSN Legion (albanian units who supported Italy)?? Do You know albanian Gendarmerie who made ethnic cleans and murdered of Serbs in Kosovo??

Marinels:
> Albania was never aligned with axis of WWII.

Crap. As 'Milan stated, Albania had it's own SS division. It was an ally of germany & so part of the 'axis'.

And just like most of the other axis allies, they also had commumist partisans insurgents who in the end came into power with the defeat of the pro-nazi governments.

Doesn't change the fact that they were part of the 'axis' alliance.

> Your sentiments and the others are hard to change. The propaganda machine had fed you up for decades so you can not swallow it easy.

Your own words sum you up nicely. But by all means, go on ignoring 'inconvenient' facts.

> Anyway that is your problem not mines.

Once again, your own words.

Marinels,

you're worried about a bias from the journalists at globalresearch.ca? How interesting that might be. I wonder what you think of the biases that are constantly spewed from the corporate media outlets? I can clearly see that you've painted your pictures of the world through those tinted glasses.
As a very clear, consices and often correct source of news I cannot understand what your point of objection is other than you've either closed your own mind to both present realities as well as historical falifications. You're outrageous claims that Albania was not align with Germany.
Wow. And I'm the dreamer?

“wasn't Albania part of the WWII Axis forces (alingned with Germany, Italy, Croatia and oh yes Albania -- as well as some others). Didn't this rag tag bunch of fascists get trounced by the rest of us?”

Albania was never aligned with axis of WWII. Albanians partisans not only liberated Albania from fascist and Nazis without the support of Russian troops (the only southeast country) but they supported Yugo partisans up to Visegrad. Your aim of history deformation of other nations tells me very much how you still consider these people until nowadays. Such childish statements are seen continually here which means that the same show goes on. Elements of Nazi supporter provided every nation.

“I am well aware that you simply studied at the military academy, and are not infact German. That doesn't change my sentiment in the slightest. If you follow the link you'll see that the connection between former facsist allies is still as strong as ever. And in this marriage of convenience it is not Albania that is the boss, but rather Germany.”

Your sentiments and the others are hard to change. The propaganda machine had fed you up for decades so you can not swallow it easy. Anyway that is your problem not mines. As for the link, let me tell you that the propagandistic website globalresearch.ca and some other are not taken into consideration since long time for the fact that they are too much biased, thus not relevant at all.

Rick Rozoff, Michel Chossudovsky, Jammes Bisset, James Jatras, Julia Gorin, Diane Johnstone etc. are all toys of propaganda against US and NATO in particular. Everybody can verify. Just google their names und you will see their articles aims. I have always skipped such articles.

No,albanians never use 2 times the same tactics.only serbs do so!

Now Serbs can start with their favourite sports which is bashing on Albanians. No evidence that Albanians stood behind is completely ignored. Who ever did this must have learned from the Serbs in north of Kosovo.

It is really sad to read comments like like "terrorists", Clinton is not her to protect you, americans are busy ..., all of them calling on Serbian forces taking armed action against Albanian population.
Nothing more could be considered as being against Serbias White Schengen than post that call for armed action against civilans.
When I read something like this than every EU citizen tthiks twice before allowing Serbs in EU.

It doesn't matter who the victims or perpetrators are, they are citizens and should be protected.
(kate, 14 July 2009 13:04)

You mean like in Bosnia and Kosovo?
Stop playing the victim role.

Where are mixed police units that were agreed in 2001? No agreement of 2001 was respected by the Serbia government; actually it was even worse, continuing with the arrest and terror over Albanians…
You can not full the world that your government is democratic, for sure, but the west is trying to embrace the Serbs into the civilization, at last… but that does not make happy Albanians!
Hopefully something will change in Serbia’s government stance, and they will release all political prisoners, will stop the repression against the Albanians in Preshevo, Bujanovc and Medvegje and the existing problems will be solved, otherwise, I smell a bad future.

Tell us what year were those buildings build and when this Serbian families moved to this part of Albania.There will be no peace until serb leave the areas of nish Pirot,medvegja bujanovac preshev sanxhak and others.Not to forget Hungarian Vojvodina.

Peter,

I dont share your opinion and frankly speaking Serbia in EU with all those war criminal around sound-you name it how.
Since I can choose, as EU citizne I would not in any case accept Van der Serbia for a neighbour.Sorry.

Van der ...

1. You dont know if there were Albanians that commited this crime
2. Still civilians are not to blame for actions of some people
3. Car bomb not exploded in Belgrade yesterday - what you suggest to do. Shoot people at random because they live there or are there at the moment.

This is an attempt by Albanian elements to goad Serbia into a crack down, the hope being that Albanians will start claiming their families are being massacred and the west will come in and seize Presevo area. The problem is that this is not the Clinton world and I don't see this old plan succeeding in this new world. Now, Russia unlike the Russia of the 1990s is stronger. The West is also accepting Serbia into the EU, much quicker may I add than it's accepting Albania. BY the way, why isn't Albania on the road to membership when it was an independent country for longer than Montenegro and Macedonia, at least in recent history? That's odd.

4 children were found in the mass grave in Gjilane this week.

Do the math, who benefits from these explosions?

One person has been arrested on suspicion of smuggling arms from Kosovo.


I don't see the relevance to the explosion. Besides, why the woman and the child were Albanians since the building is occupied by serb police and gendarmerie families. this whole thing is fishy to me.
At no time do I condone this horrible act and prepetrators should get the harshest punishment.

Terrorists in south Serbia should be destroyed, including terrorist "government of Kosovo". Only becouse existing of this pseudocountry, Albanian terrorists feel "power" and thinking, that they can doing second Kosovo War.

@@@ by A

"...No evidence that Albanians stood behind is completely ignored.

(A, 14 July 2009 11:59)..."

AAAAAAA(h), thanks for "eye-opener".
Yep, we forgot to reconsider maybe extreme radicals from Ivory Coast and Papua New Guinea first? Sure.
Looks like some Albanians are starting to enjoy using "bully boy" tactics learned from their Big "bully boy" daddy.

Olf

Sorry, I am an EU citizen of an EU country and I would have no problem with Serbia in the EU as well. I am sure most EU citizens would only have a problem with taking in another country due to overstretching its current carrying capacity in terms of funds, or the question of religion (hence, why Turkey still has not joined, and will not, God willing).

The way you are writing, it almost makes it sounds as if you think that the average EU citizen would love to have Albania as a member, yet not Serbia? Sounds ridiculous, sorry to say.

Tadic,

you have the list of former UCPMB fighters,arrest them,break their back and send so much police into Presevo that at every streetcorner there are two policemen.
Then it will stop,Albanians,as showed this case,only take on women and small children,they fear the Serbian forces like hell,I know that as a veteran.
This is typical of your conduct:"Oh we will react with no force and everything will be alright".
Now you got the thank you...

The Americans have rewarded terror and jihad in the Balkans and this is what you get.

I would get Serbian commandos working with Russian special forces to root out this cancer once and for all.

I would hope the Greek Government can also send special forces to crush Islamic extremism once and for all.

Of course Albanins know these scanarios very well. Create a situation to justify what is being done by institutions of Serbia against Albanians and their existence in Presevo valley.THis is building postion for Kosovo and last attempt for partition but before that is on the table they want Albanians to leave presevo valley the same they killed most of bosnians to creat republic of serpska and then sign the Dayton. Remeber 10 youg people were arrested one day before new years eve. I am sorry I forgot for a bit that Dacic is a poltician who worked with Milosevic, grew under Milosevic and if I was a Serb I would be ashamed of having a minsiter going after Albaninas the same way milosevic went. Where are thousands that killed kids and raped women in Bosnia and Kosovo.

So, they are starting again? Using the terrorism to reach their goal. It worked out "well" in Kosovo, and they got away with it, so why not trying again?
The West and the World is watching? ...or maybe no...they are too busy with new recognition of their “terrorist protégée” ?

I suspect this is yet another act of provocation by cowards being protected within Kosovo. They think that they can provoke a repeat of 1998-1999 and extend their 'empire' into Presevo. The Americans are too busy elsewhere to attack again on your behalf

“Interior Minister Ivica Dačić says that the explosion in Preševo where a woman and an ethnic Albanian child were injured was "a classic act of terrorism.“
One person has been arrested on suspicion of smuggling arms from Kosovo.

Dačić said that the suspect, Ćenan Mehmeti, had been arrested for attempting to smuggle arms across the administrative line with Kosovo, adding that the hunt was on for a further three suspects.

Gendarmerie members have seized large quantities of hand grenades, bomb timers, guns and pistols at various locations during the day.”
To me this is all some nasty game. Serbia has some time now wanting to change the Kumanovo Agreement and what a better way to convince the NATO and other Int. bodies that this is really necessary to fight against “terrorist attacks”, arms smuggling etc, etc. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=12&dd=02&nav_id=55448
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=12&dd=01&nav_id=55431
Of course I might be very wrong with this idea, but I somehow have it.
A question to the Serb camp, since I see many of them, if not all, are calling this attack as being committed by Albanians. Do you guys believe in the Serbian justice and courts?? If yes, then please stop judging; let the court do its work. You keep calling everyday how the Int. Law should be respected, while you interfere with your own (Serbia’s) judicial system.
As for myself, I stick to my above idea.

No,albanians never use 2 times the same tactics.only serbs do so!
(lili, 14 July 2009 11:17)

No because they use it 3 or 4 times. Kosovo, Presevo, Macedonia and Presevo again.

since Nabucco oil pipe is signed and will run through Serbia to Albania. "

No it does not. There's TAP planned to go through Albania but then it might not. Serbia is not part of Nabucco, for obvious reasons (US /EU i trying to avoid the Russians)

I am shocked from the comments of the Serbian camp today. The peace and understanding between Serbs and Albanians seems to be farther today than yesterday. On one side we have all Serbs accusing Albanians as terrorists without even waiting for the voice of Serbian court. On another side we have mass graves recently discovered with the victims (among them children) but no condemns from the Serbs. The attention is given to the so called terrorist attacks which have been often without authors (officially) but on the bill of Albanians practically from the Serb commentators. When I read the comments here I see no sign of change in comparison to 1999, still the same language and the same “recommendations”.

“So, they are starting again?”

Who are they??? There is still no sign of “terrorists” of some days ago. It seems that Serbian justice is very effective the same as their propaganda.

“BY the way, why isn't Albania on the road to membership when it was an independent country for longer than Montenegro and Macedonia, at least in recent history? That's odd.”

The road of Albania to the EU membership is slow but surely. It has nothing to do with the independence. We are much closer to the west while you should pass first through some not much friendly countries. Let alone Holland.

“you have the list of former UCPMB fighters,arrest them,break their back and send so much police into Presevo that at every streetcorner there are two policemen”

These statements only prove what has been said before. The attitude of Serbs toward Albanians remains unchanged. The solution should not come through military means because as you Serbs know it has been always disaster for you.

“Then it will stop,Albanians,as showed this case,only take on women and small children,they fear the Serbian forces like hell,I know that as a veteran”

The majority of Albanian victims in Kosovo were women, children and old men which associate the Serbs which such tactics. Even villagers armed with handguns never feared the Serbian army that is why the victims were only such mentioned above. As for the young generation, including me educated at the military academy in Germany, I only wish to take the first line in any possible front particularly against the veterans like you. There is no need to count the number of defeats of Serbian army against real armies.

“No country in the world would be expected to stay silent and not act when terrorists attack their population.”

Couldn’t agree more with you. The victims appear to be Albanians. Please find these terrorists as soon as possible. Don’t forget to check also in Belgrade where a luxus Masserati was ready for detonation. It could be an act of terrorism in the center of Bg as well.

“Sorry, I am an EU citizen of an EU country and I would have no problem with Serbia in the EU as well.”

You have proved to be very biased. Thus your opinion is irrelevant. Please give us the arguments why you are pro. Just yesterday I heard a German ex politician in Bosnia Christian Sch who considered very big mistake the visa liberalization with Serbia. The butchers win and the victims lost. Based of the comments above I can hardly thing something positive Serbia could offer to the EU. The harsh language and the huge bunch of communists and nationalists here represent the image of today Serbia.

“The way you are writing, it almost makes it sounds as if you think that the average EU citizen would love to have Albania as a member, yet not Serbia? Sounds ridiculous, sorry to say.”

Actually the politics decides who is in and who is out. With signing of MSA the EU states gave to Albania full support to the road of membership also for NATO. Where is Serbia in those processes????

“So, how we should call once (namely Albanian radicals, extremists and terrorists) who granate innocent civilians, families of local police officers, woman and kids, at night and on their sleep ?”

Those statements reminded to me exactly 1989 and 1999. We all know how it ended…..

“I would hope the Greek Government can also send special forces to crush Islamic extremism once and for all.”

Just tell you commandos to be careful not to face any Turkish soldiers on their way. We Albanians still keep strong the feeling of friendship with Greece while they don’t wait long to repay the same respect. Unfortunately I have seen in Germany many of them ready to go back……

I honestly expected quite another language this time after the first attack still with none responsible. It is hard to root out almost 90 years propaganda.

No country in the world would be expected to stay silent and not act when terrorists attack their population.

It doesn't matter who the victims or perpetrators are, they are citizens and should be protected.

@@@ by Olf

“”...It is really sad to read comments like like "terrorists", Clinton is not her to protect you, americans are busy ...When I read something like this than every EU citizen tthiks twice before allowing Serbs in EU.

(Olf, 14 July 2009 12:16)...””



Hallelujah !

So, how we should call once (namely Albanian radicals, extremists and terrorists) who granate innocent civilians, families of local police officers, woman and kids, at night and on their sleep ?
Maybe ”collateral damage from friendly neighbour collective radical nationalistic madness” ?

Sorry about that...from now on, we will “happily and willingly” let ourselves being blown in the air to fulfil our EU aspirations and expectations of “by your wishful thinking projected idea of the concept of the mind and thinking”” of average EU citizens.

>>Terrorists in south Serbia should be destroyed, including terrorist "government of Kosovo"...>>

so here is my question: every time some incident happens (once a week?) we get an outpouring of super-hate, above and beyond the usual low-level animosity, from the other side. ready to "deal" once and for all, with the "albanian question." now it is one thing to share these niceties with yr local audience, preach to the choir, etc. but as some (and I) have pointed out, this forum goes out to people around the world. every one of us knows exactly -- precisely -- how, given half a chance, you would choose to deal with yr perceived enemies.

so how on earth can you expect sympathy from abroad, a positive icj ruling, support in regaining kosovo/a, annexing bosnia... how on earth can you expect the world to sit still and smile while serb nationalists (try to) do an instant replay of the 90s? it aint't happening, and that is your reality check from outside serbia, from the west.

now mike, i believe, says that you all are suffering from some kind of image problem. and aside from any and every possible ethical consideration, i agree with him. just reading this forum (not to mention so many other sources, i can think of a quick dozen in english)you will never ever gain sympathy from the west, for your "solutions"

roberto frisco

YES! This is not the 90´s so feel safe to send in the big guns and take a leap over to wherever those cowards are hiding in KosovO as well.

Serbia is fully entitled to protect itself against terrorists so no half measures please, restore the order.

What a bunch of terrorists. This is how it was living with albanians in Kosmet. These fanatics need to rounded up the sooner the better!

The timing is not coincidental. This is an organized attempt to sabotage Serbia from joining the white Shengen countries on Januray 1, 2010 by the increasingly desperate and marginalized armed militants in the south. They will only succeed in further isolating the ethnic Albanians that they claim to represent on both sides of the administrative line.

This time Serbia should ask for help from the UK/US and Russia in training and supporting the Serbian police in Presavo. That way if any of these international police are harmed they are likely to be more understanding of the Serbian situation. They will also be less likely to be sympathetic to any new UCPMB uprising.

If this was done in 98 in Kosovo things would be a lot different today. If the people think that the Serbian police are tough, just wait until a few cops from Alabama pull them over.

'that way if any of these international police are harmed they are likely to be more understanding of the Serbian situation. They will also be less likely to be sympathetic to any new UCPMB uprising.

If this was done in 98 in Kosovo things would be a lot different today. If the people think that the Serbian police are tough, just wait until a few cops from Alabama pull them over.'

sorry, no :) we can send our police to alabama if you like but no foreign personnel will cross that admin line, sorry :) btw, it was done in 98. what it came down to was cia men wearing osce baseball hats preparing for war next year while their politicians prepared to give serbia ultimatum they knew serbia couldnt accept.
anyway i say i wish our boys were a little less tough at times but what can we do. anyway regretable that you dont know albanians in presevo valley did attack internationals in 2000, 2001. when nato occupied our land in 1999 our forces and police couldnt patrol ground safety zone but once albanians started attacking un and nato our boys were back.
read a little about ucpmb, its an interesting piece in the big picture of albanian terrorism.
this government btw is doing what every government since 2000 did. they have instructions from abroad not to react to anything. but this governments on its way out. i wonder for how long the west will spend money and energy installing governments in serbia. you know its a heck of a job plus it costs money and other things as well..

to marinels:

I haven't read so much nonsense in 1 comment for a while now. But your threats mean as much as the famous "ahtisari package plan," because we all seen how brave albanians were in 99 (always have someone else fight for them - this time it was america - a while back it was hitler).

By great defeats - did you mean like the one in 99 from nato? Oh yes nato must be really proud of all those direct civillian targets (WAR CRIMES). SHAME!!!

Anyway thanks for showing your support for these latest terrorist attacks.

do the presheva Albanians want serbia? NO

this is the truth dear serbs.

there will be no peace if Albanians have no peace.

otherwise we can continue till we take over peace by peace

Outstanding!!!!!
Olf is not concerned about the act itself. He is concerned about comments.
I'm speechless...

kohl:

I am not German as you describe me. Obviously you haven’t read my comment properly. I have only studied at military academy in Germany. I am wondering about Albania 0-1?
Could you enlighten us this sentence?

If it looks like a snake, leaves marks like a snake - then maybe it's a snake?

"No, albanians never use 2 times the same tactics."

Oh really, is this rule written down in the "Handboook of Terrorist Tactics"? Give me a break!

This is exactly like Kosovo in 1998/1999. Same people, same tactics, but this time they will not succeed.

“Pz:
And the 'hand-grenades, bomb-timers, guns & pistols' were kid's toys?

While I certainly don't believe the serb justice system is fair & impartial, neither do I believe that albanian separatists in the presevo valley are armed with 'roses'.

Or perhaps you believe that 'those in presevo' will be content with their brethrens success in Kosovo?

Hopefully, the judges of the ICJ will not.
(peter, sydney, 14 July 2009 17:54)’
Peter, in both cases (recent attacks) there was no evidence provided to prove that the attackers were Albanians. The Serbian Camp in here immediately jumped to conclude that Albanians stand behind. What is even worse in this case is the hatred spewed by the Serb or pro Serb commentators against a whole nation. Here are few of them:
“Milan: Terrorists in south Serbia should be destroyed, including terrorist "government of Kosovo". Only becouse existing of this pseudocountry, Albanian terrorists feel "power" and thinking, that they can doing second Kosovo War”
“dean van der Serbia:So, they are starting again? Using the terrorism to reach their goal. It worked out "well" in Kosovo, and they got away with it, so why not trying again?
The West and the World is watching? ...or maybe no...they are too busy with new recognition of their “terrorist protégée”
“So, how we should call once (namely Albanian radicals, extremists and terrorists) who granate innocent civilians, families of local police officers, woman and kids, at night and on their sleep ?
Maybe ”collateral damage from friendly neighbour collective radical nationalistic madness’.
“Daniel: This is an attempt by Albanian elements to goad Serbia into a crack down, the hope being that Albanians will start claiming their families are being massacred and the west will come in and seize Presevo area…”
“CG: Tadic, you have the list of former UCPMB fighters,arrest them,break their back and send so much police into Presevo that at every streetcorner there are two policemen.
Then it will stop,Albanians,as showed this case,only take on women and small children,they fear the Serbian forces like hell,I know that as a veteran.
This is typical of your conduct:"Oh we will react with no force and everything will be alright". Etc.
Now please tell me if this is ok with you? Do these kinds of comments prove that Serbia has really changed?
“Grenades, bomb-timers, guns & pistols' as you mention do not necessarily prove that attackers were of Albanian nationality. Why didn’t anyone call the man who entered the Serbian Presidency building with two grenades a terrorist or the attack on the judge in Knjazevac, etc. se the links for yourself.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=12&dd=28&nav_id=56046
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=59310
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=04&dd=14&nav_category=108&nav_id=40681
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=60259
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=07&dd=22&nav_id=52114
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=21&nav_id=48670
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=03&dd=15&nav_id=57840
Serbia claims that Kosovo is part of Serbia, so if it will be proven that the attackers were of Albanian ethnicity living in Presevo or Kosovo why not refer to attackers as Serbian Citizens and not call them Albanian radicals, extremists, terrorists, etc.
A criminal is a criminal and who ever commits a criminal act should not be judged based on his/her ethnicity but based on the damage and the harm caused by the attack.

I seem to recall numerous statements reflecting the excellent cooperation shared between VS and KFOR in the region. I also seem to recall a number of measures taken that allows VS to advance within a hair's breath of the administrative border with Kosovo Province. With this in mind, I fully agree with a few poster above me that Serbia should jointly operate with NATO and especially the United States in rooting out terrorism in the Presevo Valley. It's time Serbia learned to market itself effectively to the West as the Albanians have done and even the odds.

I dont think the western powers will be any more understanding now then they where before and especially not now since Nabucco oil pipe is signed and will run through Serbia to Albania.

That was their purpouse with the war against Yugoslavia, that was the purpouse with Camp Bondsteel and that is why they are hell bent on exterminate any serbian living in or close to KosovO.

If they get that far. The next move will be Russias and Serbia will be a part of it.

'Olf' said:
> You dont know if there were Albanians that commited this crime

Not for sure no, but then this forum is not a court of law.

However is fairly obvious to most (probably including you) that albanian separatists are responsible - particularily after the recent attack on the serb police in this volatile region.

And would assume that these events might be of interest to those considering what effect legitimising a certain UDI would have - especially in relation to those seeking to follow the 'Kosovo blueprint'.

Closing date for further written submissions before ICJ is the 17th.


'aRTA' said:
> Do the math, who benefits from these explosions?

Strange that whenever an incident occurs that puts albanians in 'a bad light', someone always seems to say it was a 'serb set-up'.

Pity about the albanian track-record in these incidents isn't it.

Incidentally, what does the 'mass-grave' in Gjilane have to do with this story. Or for that matter, with the rest of your comment above.

Throwing mud in multiple directions perhaps?

Story is about attacks on serb police targets in a predominantly albanian region.

Much like the events in Kosovo prior to the civil war in 98/99.


Pz:
And the 'hand-grenades, bomb-timers, guns & pistols' were kid's toys?

While I certainly don't believe the serb justice system is fair & impartial, neither do I believe that albanian separatists in the presevo valley are armed with 'roses'.

Or perhaps you believe that 'those in presevo' will be content with their brethrens success in Kosovo?

Hopefully, the judges of the ICJ will not.

I have tried off and on to comment neutrally on the subject of Kosovo dispute and have had a lot of sympathy for the Serbian minority in Kosovo. However, when I read the posts of many Serbs on this site, calling every Albanian a TERRORIST for a grenade that even Serbian MUP forces have no clue where it came from, this goes beyond my imagination. And the ones who are calling for more arrests, and brutality against South Serbian Albanians, they forget that South Serbian Albanians were there, before Serbs moved into Balkans and before some Albanians who are believed to have moved into Kosovo from Albania. These are your citizens, whether you like it or not. Read the World Displaced Persons Statistics and you'll find out that there has been no immigration to this particular place from Kosovo or Albania in over 100 years. In fact, 48 thousand Albanians have emigrated from Presevo valley to Kosovo during the years of Milosevic brutality, thus giving a higher edge to the majority of Albanians in Kosovo. So, if you want us foreigners to believe that 200 thousand Serbs were forced to leave Kosovo, which may be true, you also have to take into an account your wrong doings, and the numbers of Albanians forced to leave from southern Serbia. I am in no way defending the criminal elements of that region and if the perpetrators happen to be Albanians, by all means, they ought to be brought to justice. But you can't victimise the entire population of the area just because one of them happened to hate on what you stand for.

And yes, some of us foreigners read about the truth in Balkans, we are not all ignorant.

oh and sorry i dont mean to spam just saw this

'Where are mixed police units that were agreed in 2001?'

they're there. the mixed police units are there. your point please?
but they're regular police. you cant count on them to defend themselves from terrorism let alone fight it. maybe someone remembers konculj attack about two years ago? look it up. other units are there because that's why budget pays them to act when ordinary police cant handle problems.
anyway we have a guy called bajrami for example in zandarmerija. xhandarmeria you know? anyway that's albanian. thats multiethnic. doesnt have to be formally multiethnic, but it is in reality.

"Besides, why the woman and the child were Albanians since the building is occupied by serb police and gendarmerie families. this whole thing is fishy to me."(Kosova-USA, 14 July 2009 17:10)

Only the child has been identified as an Albanian who was either the child of a policeman or more likely a passer by.

marinels
just a reminder.
germany is 0-2 in its last two wars.
Albania is 0-1 in its last war as well.
Serbia is 2-2 in its last 4 wars.

you speak of biases from peter yet your slant is visible from space.

maybe before you start throwing stones in your luxurious german glass flat you might ask your honerable former Foreign Minister Klaus Kinkel about his 1997 plans to invade serbia and rip kosovo away and give it to a former ally.
if you're interested in reading something that is true fell free to read the following.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14332

Its very upset in hearing of some comments of some serbs being proud as defenders or great!!??But hey the "good think" is they really are forgetting who and what they nationalist brothers DID...To humanity..!!!

"so how on earth can you expect sympathy from abroad, a positive icj ruling, support in regaining kosovo/a, annexing bosnia... how on earth can you expect the world to sit still and smile while serb nationalists (try to) do an instant replay of the 90s? it aint't happening, and that is your reality check from outside serbia, from the west."
roberto frisco
(roberto, 14 July 2009 23:45)

Roberto - who is nationalist?? Serbia - the last real multhietnic country on the Balkan Peninsula, or mayby Albanian minority who need to create more and more ethnic clean pseudocountries like Kosovo??

"reality check" for roberto from frisco, also "from the west" - if you look at the way the west is dealing with terrorism and especially usa and israel you will realise that something else rather than humanitarian concerns motivates their policies. killing innocent people is certainly not a problem if it serves their purposes. and if it serves their purposes they could support serbia against albanians. the only question is, does it serve their purposes at this point in time.

nobody cares about your pseduo-leftist moralising, least of all your own politicians.

Roberto@45, we all know your stand very well by now. Please stop using anything and everything to insinuate that the reason the west will not be on Serbia's side is that Serbs want to eliminate all Albanians because of the responses here.
Perhaps if your brothers stopped with terrorist activities, Serbs would stop with comments of anger and frustration. Enough is enough. I think the world will actually start to understand why Serbs are angry at Albanians. If they had so much terrorist activity in their back yard they would feel the same way. This sort of going on by the Albanians will distance them from the world, not the Serbs.
What response do you expect when your brothers continue with their terrorist activities?

Tension in southern Serbia is orchestrated by Pristina politicians, who wants to steal more serbian territory.

'Serbia should jointly operate with NATO and especially the United States in rooting out terrorism in the Presevo Valley'
you agree? i fully disagree. one, we dont need help. two, this is albanian tactic, what they call internationalisation. the working idea is that when internationals arrive in a few years time they'll steal the territory from serbia. united states is not a friendly country to say the least and anyway it should be out of our territory of kosovo, not invading more of our territory. if you want to fight terrorism go look for bin laden or something. enough with nitwit colonialism already. once again we have crack police and need noone's help to defend our land. we did just fine even when 19 nato countries illegally ganged up against us for 3 months, we can deal with sheep herders turned terrorists thank you very much.

It doesn't matter who the victims or perpetrators are, they are citizens and should be protected.
(kate, 14 July 2009 13:04)

You mean like in Bosnia and Kosovo?
Stop playing the victim role.
(Ed, 14 July 2009 14:18)

We ARE the victims too, or don't Serbian casualties mean anything to you? Are they just vermin which needs to be eradicated?

At no time do I condone this horrible act and prepetrators should get the harshest punishment.
(Kosova-USA, 14 July 2009 17:10)

Mate, By using the name Kosova-USA you have promoted to everyone that you do condone this kind of KLA terrorist behavior, just like the leaders of the puppet state KosovO

Attn Roberto, Marinels, et all:

I cannot help but read your comments above and come to ponder the sad state of affairs of this world. Where there are acts of terrorism or cruelty commited, i sense that the envy and spite in some people win out over their base humanity.

Roberto, without doubt you tailor your comments with airs of superiority and worldliness that sadly you are devoid of. I truly doubt you are who you say you are... everyone in the east coast, even in NY where the democrat rage is rampant, regard San Fran as the "bleeding heart liberal" capital. Yet you are such a cannibal on this site that I seriously think you have very little to do with San fran or Cali.

Marinels, I cannot begin to do your comments justice by commenting on them, there isnt enough web space or ram available to begin.

Why cant the albanian camp just for once state that terrible deeds were done, the world is not perfect, we can all strive to do better, to be better, and leave it at that.

By-the-bye, just to let you know... No one cares about any of this. Not the Germans, the Italians, the Brits, and especially not the US. Despite what Roberto may spew forth, No one cares or is "watching", not even our politicians.

Marinels

wasn't Albania part of the WWII Axis forces (alingned with Germany, Italy, Croatia and oh yes Albania -- as well as some others). Didn't this rag tag bunch of fascists get trounced by the rest of us?

I am well aware that you simply studied at the military academy, and are not infact German. That doesn't change my sentiment in the slightest. If you follow the link you'll see that the connection between former facsist allies is still as strong as ever. And in this marriage of convenience it is not Albania that is the boss, but rather Germany.

Tell us what year were those buildings build and when this Serbian families moved to this part of Albania.There will be no peace until serb leave the areas of nish Pirot,medvegja bujanovac preshev sanxhak and others.Not to forget Hungarian Vojvodina.
(Bledo, 14 July 2009 16:27)

Thank you for your honest post here. At least you are prepared to say exactly what your goals are not like your brothers who keep lying that Serbs are all criminals and tht's why they should not return to Kosovo. At least we can hear from the horse's mouth what the goal is, and that is to ethically cleanse most of Serbia from Serbs.

NATO did not help the albanian terorists in Presevo in 2001 .They actually allowed the then Yugoslav army to crush them.

do the presheva Albanians want serbia? NO

this is the truth dear serbs.

there will be no peace if Albanians have no peace.

otherwise we can continue till we take over peace by peace
(Amantia, 14 July 2009 20:07)
Do Kosovo Serbs wants "independent" Kosovo?? NO. This is the truth my dear Albanians...

It's amazing how these are "ethnic" albanians & not "kosovars"....but when you read any reference to Kosovo - it's an albanian.

No,albanians never use 2 times the same tactics.only serbs do so!
(lili, 14 July 2009 11:17)

lili - you couldn't be more wrong.....how many times was electricity shut off. THat's a crime against humanity particularly since it's the invaders who didn't pay their bills & the "new" government taking advantage of the situation.

Oh please - this is so tired!

Whoever did this, just lock them up & throw away the key.

albanians killing innocent albanian civilians again to further their terrorist agenda .DISGUSTING.

otherwise we can continue till we take over peace by peace
(Amantia, 14 July 2009 20:07)

Serbs have know about this plan for the last 600 years under the ottomans, still trying to please your Turkish masters I see.

kohl, thank you very much for the link.
Great article!

Pz:
> Peter, in both cases (recent attacks) there was no evidence provided to prove that the attackers were Albanians. Etc.. etc.. etc.

Re-read my post.. this isn't 'the hague'.

Hatred? Don't see it reflected in what I've written. Have merely been drawing on that iritating (to some) Kosovo precedent.

As for the other examples you've cited, don't really see it either in the comments of 'Daniel' & 'dean van der Serbia' who are merely expressing an opinion, as am I, as are you. But have no real interest in the words of those who wallow in 'political correctness' like 'roberto' & like to harp on that particular topic, which is by no means the exclusive province of serbs.

All those links to ordinary criminal attacks on the police or judiciary? Suggesting these attacks could be just more of the same?

May be your opinion. Isn't mine.

Repeating..
Pity about the albanian track-record in these incidents isn't it.

Repeating..
Story is about attacks on serb police targets in a predominantly albanian region. Much like the events in Kosovo prior to the civil war in 98/99

Repeating..
..neither do I believe that albanian separatists in the presevo valley are armed with 'roses'. Or perhaps you believe that 'those in presevo' will be content with their brethrens success in Kosovo?

If it looks like a duck.. walks like a duck.. & quacks like a duck... then it is most likely... A duck.

Question is, do the ICJ judges like duck?

“wasn't Albania part of the WWII Axis forces (alingned with Germany, Italy, Croatia and oh yes Albania -- as well as some others). Didn't this rag tag bunch of fascists get trounced by the rest of us?”

Albania was never aligned with axis of WWII. Albanians partisans not only liberated Albania from fascist and Nazis without the support of Russian troops (the only southeast country) but they supported Yugo partisans up to Visegrad. Your aim of history deformation of other nations tells me very much how you still consider these people until nowadays. Such childish statements are seen continually here which means that the same show goes on. Elements of Nazi supporter provided every nation.

“I am well aware that you simply studied at the military academy, and are not infact German. That doesn't change my sentiment in the slightest. If you follow the link you'll see that the connection between former facsist allies is still as strong as ever. And in this marriage of convenience it is not Albania that is the boss, but rather Germany.”

Your sentiments and the others are hard to change. The propaganda machine had fed you up for decades so you can not swallow it easy. Anyway that is your problem not mines. As for the link, let me tell you that the propagandistic website globalresearch.ca and some other are not taken into consideration since long time for the fact that they are too much biased, thus not relevant at all.

Rick Rozoff, Michel Chossudovsky, Jammes Bisset, James Jatras, Julia Gorin, Diane Johnstone etc. are all toys of propaganda against US and NATO in particular. Everybody can verify. Just google their names und you will see their articles aims. I have always skipped such articles.

russian,

if you're interested that second part of that article has now been posted. I haven't yet read it, but will certainly some time soon.
hope you enjoy...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14377

"Serbia claims that Kosovo is part of Serbia, so if it will be proven that the attackers were of Albanian ethnicity living in Presevo or Kosovo why not refer to attackers as Serbian Citizens and not call them Albanian radicals, extremists, terrorists, etc.
A criminal is a criminal and who ever commits a criminal act should not be judged based on his/her ethnicity but based on the damage and the harm caused by the attack.
(Pz, 15 July 2009 10:17)"

But if they are committing the terrorist act and are attempting to futher their own ethnic group's status or whatever then that is something that is bound to be reported. In reporting crime the citizenship of the person comitting it will usually only be given if they are not a citizen of the country they committed the crime in.

Marinels - do You know albanian SS Division "Skanderbeg"?? Do you know Balli Kombëtar who supported Germans in 1943-44?? Do You know Partia Fashiste e Shqipërisë with their program of Greater Albania?? Do You know Albanian MVSN Legion (albanian units who supported Italy)?? Do You know albanian Gendarmerie who made ethnic cleans and murdered of Serbs in Kosovo??

Marinels:
> Albania was never aligned with axis of WWII.

Crap. As 'Milan stated, Albania had it's own SS division. It was an ally of germany & so part of the 'axis'.

And just like most of the other axis allies, they also had commumist partisans insurgents who in the end came into power with the defeat of the pro-nazi governments.

Doesn't change the fact that they were part of the 'axis' alliance.

> Your sentiments and the others are hard to change. The propaganda machine had fed you up for decades so you can not swallow it easy.

Your own words sum you up nicely. But by all means, go on ignoring 'inconvenient' facts.

> Anyway that is your problem not mines.

Once again, your own words.

Marinels,

you're worried about a bias from the journalists at globalresearch.ca? How interesting that might be. I wonder what you think of the biases that are constantly spewed from the corporate media outlets? I can clearly see that you've painted your pictures of the world through those tinted glasses.
As a very clear, consices and often correct source of news I cannot understand what your point of objection is other than you've either closed your own mind to both present realities as well as historical falifications. You're outrageous claims that Albania was not align with Germany.
Wow. And I'm the dreamer?