B. Serbs mark anniversary of massacre

RIP & may we never forget the terrible atrocities committed against the Bosnian Serbs.

"...Orić was in 2008 acquitted by the Hague Tribunal. The court explained that there was insufficient evidence to prove his command responsibility for the crimes.."

Hague Tribunal will go in history as a major pornography of International Justice.
"Insufficient evidence" means that Hague Prosector did not complete his job good enough. Another question is, is it done purposely or not?
3500 missing and killed Bosnian Serbs in the region of Srebrenica is the EVIDENCE enough, but obviously not for the Hague Tribunal cover-up operation!

May all the victims rest in peace.

Let's also mark the anniversary of the Lisbon conference where if the muslims would have signed the treaty the whole war would have been avoided. Nobody wants to remember izetbegovic's and the USA's role in that.

A massacre is a massacre regardless of political or ideological orientation. At least it should be.

This is well documented and photographed unlike a piece of shoelace or toothbrush.The world doesnt know of these poor souls murdered on "badnje vece".God bless Serbia and our holy church.

It's interesting how much western media attention the Srebrenica massacre gets, whereas the massacre of Serb gets no attention whatsoever from any news source except Serbian news sources. It's as if to most western nations, the death of the Serbs was either a fabrication or irrelevant. Well there are many of us for whom these deaths are not meaningless. May the dead, whether Serb or Bosnian Muslim or Croat, or Kosovo Albanian, all rest in peace.

Wait! Massacres happened to Serbian civilians? Wow. Unfortunately people outside of Bosnia and Serbia only hear about Srebenica.

I wouldn't think one Serb civilian was killed during the recent wars.

BBC does not have an article on this, but of course they have a front photo and article on Serbenica! This is done to build public opinion againts Serbs. Not because they don't like Serbs, but to never have RS independent.

RS needs a to set a referendum on independence. This is your chance! The population will start to even out and Serbs will start to lose power in RS. The time was yesterday. No one can stop you! Just ask the Albanians.

BRATUNAC -- Serbs in Bratunac and Srebrenica, eastern Bosnia, are today marking 17 years since the massacre of more than 3,200 of their compatriots.

This is so typical of the Western media and anti-Serb biasness. The killings of Serbs in Bratunac occured 3 years before the Srebrenica killings, and yet very few Westerners have even heard of Bratunac and the terrible, human butchery that happened there. And then the Hague has the audacity not to punish Oric and those responsible??? AND the Hague wants to convict Mladic for a hyped-up charge of genocide at Srebrenica??? (Please read Alexander Dorin's new research analysis). Perhaps by ALWAYS remembering the Serbian victims in Bratunac, Serbia will realize that "true justice" will not be served by extraditing Mladic to the Kangaroo Court. Only more demonization and biasness against the Serbs....all perpetuated by Western forces.

We are all brothers in life and death,a war that should have never happened but did.The International Community(sic)turns a blind eye to Bratunac unlike Srebrenica..blood is blood be it the enemies our our own.."When compassion fills my heart,free from all desire.I sit quietly like the earth.My silent cry echoes like thunder throughout the universe.Remember the fallen for we are all destined to be but dust..

It is time the Muslims and West faced up to their crimes also. Until they do so the region will continue to remain divided.

I wonder why the Western press are not reporting this massacre? Where are those selective finger pointers today?

The process of truth and reconciliation would have been far more effective in BiH. These people lived in relative peace for 50 years before Western interference destroyed that harmony.

Today they hide under a rock pointing their fingers elsewhere hoping their crimes are not revealed. This cowardly act is the reason BiH has not moved on.

"Bosnian War

Systematic ethnic cleansing in 1992 and beyond uprooted the Bosniak population of Bratunac. Following this, Bosniak homes were looted of all valuables and then burned to the ground. According to the current data, 3,156 Bosniaks civilians were killed in these attacks.[citation needed]."

That is what Wikipedia has to say about Bratunac. Bot a iota about what really happened since untermenschen doesn´t count.

dean van der serbia,

I am sorry for these victimes like for victimes of ALL ethnic groups. Seeing their memorial cross I noticed that at least they have one and the B.-Serbs can murn them in dignity. This is unfortunately not the case for the some 35,000 innocent Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina in 1944. Will they ever allowed to have their memorial cross? 65 years passed since...time enough to find out that they were innocent. There should be justice for all!!!

Where is our defender of human rights, roberto, to grace us with some of his wisdom regarding these victims of the war? Or are Serbs, Russians and Poles the only people on the planet who commit war crimes?

@Joe

I'm very sorry to hear that these things happened to Hungarians at the hands of Serbs. Particularly because I have a strong admiration for Hungarian people.

As a Serb I'm very sensitive to these issues given the amount of Serbs that suffered during the two World Wars and the current war. My own grandfather was executed during WWII when my mom was just a little kid. Her mother dies son afterwards leaving her family orphans.

I've read accounts that Serbs suffered propottionately more than any other nationality during the second world war. Some of this was at the hands of Hungarians allied to Nazi Germany.

However, I think the important thing here is to avoid this tragedy in the future. First by acknowleging that these tragedies took place. But secondly by cooperating for the common good in the future.

Serbs and Hungarians have so many things in common starting with the fact that we are both Danube people that used be part of the Hapsburg empire. Both of us suffered under the Turks and communism. Moreover the end of the Hapsburgs and the end of Yugoslavia has made both our people's the largest national minorities in Europe.

Not to mention our cultural/social ties since we're both great at waterpolo and share a love for plum brandy and parikash and many other cultural things. Serb girl Natasha Janic won gold medals for Hungary in kayaking while Hungarian girl Monica Seles put Serbian tennis on the map. This is just the beginning of what I think is possible in all areas concerning Serbs and Hungarians.

I think Hungary is Serbia's best gateway to northern Europe, while Serbia is Hungary's best gateway to the South.

Lastly, I hope the monument you speak of does get built and would evan contribute myself. Please send me any links regarding these Yugoslav atrocities committed against Hungarians. I would like to read more.

Are you serious? 12.07 is anniversary of serb’s massacre?

Thankyou rudi, you the lone voice in the wilderness of anger and mrznje..how anyone can deny that the dead are bothers is beyond belief!I send these words to all mothers who weep for their lost sons :Drowned in my sorrow, why do you torment me too?Bent to the ground by the world,why do you kick me too ?. I received my life from you, tell me, do you want it back?.

@Joe,

Thanks for the link. I saw some related articles linked to the site as well. It's unfortunate that we could not have learned from these tragedies and prevent what happened in the 1990's. We can only hope and work so that we don't go there again.

@ataman and szemi
You guys sort of lost me there.

Where is our defender of human rights, roberto, to grace us with some of his wisdom regarding these victims of the war? Or are Serbs, Russians and Poles the only people on the planet who commit war crimes?
(Peter Sudyka, 13 July 2009 08:31)

I would add to the list hungarians,the irish,the greek armenians and people of Iran.(quite interestingly those who suffered in history proportionally more than the others.).It is politically correct to critizes these and ones mentioned in your comment in Michnik media and Roberto style "intellectual" circles.Of course any critics about Attrocities committed by US,Turkey,Israel are deeply condemned and rated as racist,backward and antisemitic.

I have always been curious about what motivated Mladic to massacre so many Bosniaks at Srebrenica. Srebrenica could have been vengence for Bratunac. Mladic does not strike me as being a very patient man and could well have taken the law into his own hands. I know that Mladic's parents were killed by Bosniaks during WWII. Both Mladic & Oric may have escaped the Hague but they will have to face God's justice.

@@@ by joe

"...dean van der serbia,

I am sorry for these victimes like for victimes of ALL ethnic groups. Seeing their memorial cross I noticed that at least they have one and the B.-Serbs can murn them in dignity. This is unfortunately not the case for the some 35,000 innocent Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina in 1944. Will they ever allowed to have their memorial cross? 65 years passed since...time enough to find out that they were innocent. There should be justice for all!!!"..."

(Joe, 12 July 2009 15:16)

Answer: Please try to stay, with your comments, much more closely connected with the subject of the B92 article, otherwise our commenting is totally useless and chaotic.
Concerning, by you mentioned, atrocities against ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina and in 1944, I do not have knowledge to comment on it. If you provide us with the link-source would be constructive.
I do know detailed facts about atrocities of Hungarian Nazis in Vojvodina and Hungary against Serbian population, but all of this is not connected with the subject of this B92 article.

Aleks

Exactly! 8 000 Bosniaks in a single incident (which I would call a war crime, nothing more, nothing less), as opposed to 1 500 000 Armenians in a systematic program to eradicate them by the Turks, or 700 000 Serbs in a systematic program to eradicate them by Ustashe?

Genocide means the systematic extermination of a particular groupo of people based on membership of a particular ethnic, racial, religious or social group singled out by another.

PLEASE somebody tell me how Srebrenica could possibly have been a genocide? I am waiting for someone to actually explain this to me.

This is a fine example of how Western Media can contort something in order to blow something out of proportion in order to blacken an entire nation's (in this case, Serbia) name.

Srebrenica was a henious warcrime, but no way is it anything near genocide.

This is a fine example of how Western Media can contort something in order to blow something out of proportion in order to blacken an entire nation's (in this case, Serbia) name.

Srebrenica was a henious warcrime, but no way is it anything near genocide.
(Peter Sudyka, 14 July 2009 13:37)

All this hypocrite western media mentality fully supported by pseudoentelectual european " elite " and their bootlickers(roberciki in polish) with their lack of sense of proportions recalls me the 100 executed serbs or poles for 1 killed german soldier rule.These manipulating pseudoentelectuels are simply worse and more harmful than thieves and murderers(see Bible).

Neither am I surprised that the BBC didn't cover it but then again the BBC refuses to call the Armenian genocide a genocide, preferring to say 'mass killings'.

Funny how the BBC is so politically correct on some issues and not others. Of course this is the case in the UK on its (last few years) genocide day where serbs and armenians are excluded yet 'bosniaks' (who?) are. Then again, most of the MSM are still calling the killed Srebrenica soldiers 'men and boys'. How convenient for them.

To link his acts/crimes with Serbians doesn't make much sense to me.
(Meirion Davies, 14 July 2009 12:48)

Had you read Ataman's comments carefully this is exactly what he wants to tell that it is not fair to link these event with serbs directly.

- the torture was left to a very special ethnic minority which has ambivalent relationship with Hungarians, Serbs and Albanians alike. Traditionally, Osmans used them as very skilled executioners. (Ataman, 13 July 2009 11:49)
In fact they have ambivalent relationship with everyone who they have contact with.However it must be mentioned that besides sense of torturing they also have a sense of music and languages though about the latter one even they themselves do not know.And when my friends buy a horse they also use the members of these minority to help them pick the best one.
Normally, I advise Hungarians and Serbs against leaving the country to the States because the very high expectations do not match the tough reality(Ataman, 13 July 2009 11:49) Must fully agree.Many more minuses than pluses.

I don't know enough about these things, but notice that the Vojvodina massacres are mentioned as if perpetrated by Serbs. Later Tito's regret is mentioned. Tito was not a Serb was he? I was under the impression he was a Croatian who fought in the Austrian army against Serbs in the first world war and executed many Serbs during and after the second war and generally did few favours to Serbia. To link his acts/crimes with Serbians doesn't make much sense to me.

Indeed Peter! I'm wondering why we haven't heard of the 'Katyn Genocide' etc. etc.? After all, those polish soldiers were mostly officers, i.e. a group and a clear attempt to decapitate potential polish military and political resistance to the soviets etc.

Using the same sloppy, politically manipulated and reinterpreted thinking as the ICTY judges have used for Srebrenica, then I can say with complete confidence that hundreds, if not thousands of genocides have been committed in the 20th century.

After all, if is no longer relevant whether the victims are soldiers or civilians then there isn't much which isn't 'genocide'. Everyone can join the party!

Coming to think of it, there is a movement within Germany
that demands the recognition of the Czech deporting of all the sudeten germans after the war. If this is not a case of eliminating a groups historical, cultural presence within an area regardless of whether it is only a small portion of the total etc. then why isn't this also taken up as Czech communist genocide against the german civilians?

The list goes on and on and on...

As for those tradic events in 1944 I learned most of the details from links by Ataman, who contributes here reguliarely. Those links were in Hungarian. If I am not too busy in the office tomorrow I will try to get some information for you in English.
(Joe, 13 July 2009 02:54)

Yes, I found them and there is even material in English. I cannot tell the number, the material was so sickening I did not made a link to it, not to be read before a meal.

However:

- There are some details inside that material which point the atrocities to Stalin himself (he ordered it)
- Tito regret it later
- Serbs usually were involved in "passion crime", i.e. they executed people at the spot. I do not remember, was it in that material or not, but I have at least one more Serb who knows a bit more in detail - the torture was left to a very special ethnic minority which has ambivalent relationship with Hungarians, Serbs and Albanians alike. Traditionally, Osmans used them as very skilled executioners.

This is matter-of-fact, we really have no connection to these people and no emotions (unlike most in Hungary). I know a couple who escaped Hungary and settled in Silicon Valley. Like many of their kin, they like to work and fix metal things, so the head of family landed up repairing airplanes at SFO.

Normally, I advise Hungarians and Serbs against leaving the country to the States because the very high expectations do not match the tough reality. In the case of above-mentioned people I tell them to leave by all legal means. Their situation is very bleak and USA is probably the only place where they can be Hungarians the way they want. Also good: the lifestyle of their communities needs a lot of improvement, so immigrating to USA helps to severe the links to trouble-group.

I am sorry for these victimes like for victimes of ALL ethnic groups. Seeing their memorial cross I noticed that at least they have one and the B.-Serbs can murn them in dignity. This is unfortunately not the case for the some 35,000 innocent Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina in 1944. Will they ever allowed to have their memorial cross? 65 years passed since...time enough to find out that they were innocent. There should be justice for all!!!
(Joe, 12 July 2009 15:16) maybe youshould read about how hungary provided the land and equipment for ustasha training as far back as 1934.read this http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/new-martyrs.html.The hungarians were enemies of Serbia as are their brothers the austrians.God bless Serbia,and all our massacred people.

The truth about Srebrenica: http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=6082

Nicholas Klinsman,

I greatly appreciated your kind words. Yes we have so much in common. Also I was very sorry to learn what happened to your grandfather.
As for those tradic events in 1944 I learned most of the details from links by Ataman, who contributes here reguliarely. Those links were in Hungarian. If I am not too busy in the office tomorrow I will try to get some information for you in English.

The truth about Srebrenica: [link]
(Tomo, 17 July 2009 17:27) well said tomo de-construct.net is a great site ,lots of news you dont see get anywhere else.

Thankyou rudi, you the lone voice in the wilderness of anger and mrznje..how anyone can deny that the dead are bothers is beyond belief!I send these words to all mothers who weep for their lost sons :Drowned in my sorrow, why do you torment me too?Bent to the ground by the world,why do you kick me too ?. I received my life from you, tell me, do you want it back?.
(igi, 12 July 2009 21:41) I for one dont recognize people as brothers just because they are dead.People that cut throats and cut off heads are not brothers with the victims.There is a heaven and hell and this divides these people.God bless Serbia and our holy church

Nicholas Klinsman,

Here is a link to those atrocities you asked for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944-1945_killings_in_Ba%C4%8Dka

dean van der serbia,

I am sorry for these victimes like for victimes of ALL ethnic groups. Seeing their memorial cross I noticed that at least they have one and the B.-Serbs can murn them in dignity. This is unfortunately not the case for the some 35,000 innocent Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina in 1944. Will they ever allowed to have their memorial cross? 65 years passed since...time enough to find out that they were innocent. There should be justice for all!!!

Are you serious? 12.07 is anniversary of serb’s massacre?

This is well documented and photographed unlike a piece of shoelace or toothbrush.The world doesnt know of these poor souls murdered on "badnje vece".God bless Serbia and our holy church.

I have always been curious about what motivated Mladic to massacre so many Bosniaks at Srebrenica. Srebrenica could have been vengence for Bratunac. Mladic does not strike me as being a very patient man and could well have taken the law into his own hands. I know that Mladic's parents were killed by Bosniaks during WWII. Both Mladic & Oric may have escaped the Hague but they will have to face God's justice.

BRATUNAC -- Serbs in Bratunac and Srebrenica, eastern Bosnia, are today marking 17 years since the massacre of more than 3,200 of their compatriots.

This is so typical of the Western media and anti-Serb biasness. The killings of Serbs in Bratunac occured 3 years before the Srebrenica killings, and yet very few Westerners have even heard of Bratunac and the terrible, human butchery that happened there. And then the Hague has the audacity not to punish Oric and those responsible??? AND the Hague wants to convict Mladic for a hyped-up charge of genocide at Srebrenica??? (Please read Alexander Dorin's new research analysis). Perhaps by ALWAYS remembering the Serbian victims in Bratunac, Serbia will realize that "true justice" will not be served by extraditing Mladic to the Kangaroo Court. Only more demonization and biasness against the Serbs....all perpetuated by Western forces.

Wait! Massacres happened to Serbian civilians? Wow. Unfortunately people outside of Bosnia and Serbia only hear about Srebenica.

I wouldn't think one Serb civilian was killed during the recent wars.

BBC does not have an article on this, but of course they have a front photo and article on Serbenica! This is done to build public opinion againts Serbs. Not because they don't like Serbs, but to never have RS independent.

RS needs a to set a referendum on independence. This is your chance! The population will start to even out and Serbs will start to lose power in RS. The time was yesterday. No one can stop you! Just ask the Albanians.

It's interesting how much western media attention the Srebrenica massacre gets, whereas the massacre of Serb gets no attention whatsoever from any news source except Serbian news sources. It's as if to most western nations, the death of the Serbs was either a fabrication or irrelevant. Well there are many of us for whom these deaths are not meaningless. May the dead, whether Serb or Bosnian Muslim or Croat, or Kosovo Albanian, all rest in peace.

We are all brothers in life and death,a war that should have never happened but did.The International Community(sic)turns a blind eye to Bratunac unlike Srebrenica..blood is blood be it the enemies our our own.."When compassion fills my heart,free from all desire.I sit quietly like the earth.My silent cry echoes like thunder throughout the universe.Remember the fallen for we are all destined to be but dust..

RIP & may we never forget the terrible atrocities committed against the Bosnian Serbs.

May all the victims rest in peace.

Let's also mark the anniversary of the Lisbon conference where if the muslims would have signed the treaty the whole war would have been avoided. Nobody wants to remember izetbegovic's and the USA's role in that.

"...Orić was in 2008 acquitted by the Hague Tribunal. The court explained that there was insufficient evidence to prove his command responsibility for the crimes.."

Hague Tribunal will go in history as a major pornography of International Justice.
"Insufficient evidence" means that Hague Prosector did not complete his job good enough. Another question is, is it done purposely or not?
3500 missing and killed Bosnian Serbs in the region of Srebrenica is the EVIDENCE enough, but obviously not for the Hague Tribunal cover-up operation!

It is time the Muslims and West faced up to their crimes also. Until they do so the region will continue to remain divided.

I wonder why the Western press are not reporting this massacre? Where are those selective finger pointers today?

The process of truth and reconciliation would have been far more effective in BiH. These people lived in relative peace for 50 years before Western interference destroyed that harmony.

Today they hide under a rock pointing their fingers elsewhere hoping their crimes are not revealed. This cowardly act is the reason BiH has not moved on.

@Joe

I'm very sorry to hear that these things happened to Hungarians at the hands of Serbs. Particularly because I have a strong admiration for Hungarian people.

As a Serb I'm very sensitive to these issues given the amount of Serbs that suffered during the two World Wars and the current war. My own grandfather was executed during WWII when my mom was just a little kid. Her mother dies son afterwards leaving her family orphans.

I've read accounts that Serbs suffered propottionately more than any other nationality during the second world war. Some of this was at the hands of Hungarians allied to Nazi Germany.

However, I think the important thing here is to avoid this tragedy in the future. First by acknowleging that these tragedies took place. But secondly by cooperating for the common good in the future.

Serbs and Hungarians have so many things in common starting with the fact that we are both Danube people that used be part of the Hapsburg empire. Both of us suffered under the Turks and communism. Moreover the end of the Hapsburgs and the end of Yugoslavia has made both our people's the largest national minorities in Europe.

Not to mention our cultural/social ties since we're both great at waterpolo and share a love for plum brandy and parikash and many other cultural things. Serb girl Natasha Janic won gold medals for Hungary in kayaking while Hungarian girl Monica Seles put Serbian tennis on the map. This is just the beginning of what I think is possible in all areas concerning Serbs and Hungarians.

I think Hungary is Serbia's best gateway to northern Europe, while Serbia is Hungary's best gateway to the South.

Lastly, I hope the monument you speak of does get built and would evan contribute myself. Please send me any links regarding these Yugoslav atrocities committed against Hungarians. I would like to read more.

Nicholas Klinsman,

I greatly appreciated your kind words. Yes we have so much in common. Also I was very sorry to learn what happened to your grandfather.
As for those tradic events in 1944 I learned most of the details from links by Ataman, who contributes here reguliarely. Those links were in Hungarian. If I am not too busy in the office tomorrow I will try to get some information for you in English.

Nicholas Klinsman,

Here is a link to those atrocities you asked for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944-1945_killings_in_Ba%C4%8Dka

Aleks

Exactly! 8 000 Bosniaks in a single incident (which I would call a war crime, nothing more, nothing less), as opposed to 1 500 000 Armenians in a systematic program to eradicate them by the Turks, or 700 000 Serbs in a systematic program to eradicate them by Ustashe?

Genocide means the systematic extermination of a particular groupo of people based on membership of a particular ethnic, racial, religious or social group singled out by another.

PLEASE somebody tell me how Srebrenica could possibly have been a genocide? I am waiting for someone to actually explain this to me.

This is a fine example of how Western Media can contort something in order to blow something out of proportion in order to blacken an entire nation's (in this case, Serbia) name.

Srebrenica was a henious warcrime, but no way is it anything near genocide.

As for those tradic events in 1944 I learned most of the details from links by Ataman, who contributes here reguliarely. Those links were in Hungarian. If I am not too busy in the office tomorrow I will try to get some information for you in English.
(Joe, 13 July 2009 02:54)

Yes, I found them and there is even material in English. I cannot tell the number, the material was so sickening I did not made a link to it, not to be read before a meal.

However:

- There are some details inside that material which point the atrocities to Stalin himself (he ordered it)
- Tito regret it later
- Serbs usually were involved in "passion crime", i.e. they executed people at the spot. I do not remember, was it in that material or not, but I have at least one more Serb who knows a bit more in detail - the torture was left to a very special ethnic minority which has ambivalent relationship with Hungarians, Serbs and Albanians alike. Traditionally, Osmans used them as very skilled executioners.

This is matter-of-fact, we really have no connection to these people and no emotions (unlike most in Hungary). I know a couple who escaped Hungary and settled in Silicon Valley. Like many of their kin, they like to work and fix metal things, so the head of family landed up repairing airplanes at SFO.

Normally, I advise Hungarians and Serbs against leaving the country to the States because the very high expectations do not match the tough reality. In the case of above-mentioned people I tell them to leave by all legal means. Their situation is very bleak and USA is probably the only place where they can be Hungarians the way they want. Also good: the lifestyle of their communities needs a lot of improvement, so immigrating to USA helps to severe the links to trouble-group.

A massacre is a massacre regardless of political or ideological orientation. At least it should be.

"Bosnian War

Systematic ethnic cleansing in 1992 and beyond uprooted the Bosniak population of Bratunac. Following this, Bosniak homes were looted of all valuables and then burned to the ground. According to the current data, 3,156 Bosniaks civilians were killed in these attacks.[citation needed]."

That is what Wikipedia has to say about Bratunac. Bot a iota about what really happened since untermenschen doesn´t count.

Thankyou rudi, you the lone voice in the wilderness of anger and mrznje..how anyone can deny that the dead are bothers is beyond belief!I send these words to all mothers who weep for their lost sons :Drowned in my sorrow, why do you torment me too?Bent to the ground by the world,why do you kick me too ?. I received my life from you, tell me, do you want it back?.

- the torture was left to a very special ethnic minority which has ambivalent relationship with Hungarians, Serbs and Albanians alike. Traditionally, Osmans used them as very skilled executioners. (Ataman, 13 July 2009 11:49)
In fact they have ambivalent relationship with everyone who they have contact with.However it must be mentioned that besides sense of torturing they also have a sense of music and languages though about the latter one even they themselves do not know.And when my friends buy a horse they also use the members of these minority to help them pick the best one.
Normally, I advise Hungarians and Serbs against leaving the country to the States because the very high expectations do not match the tough reality(Ataman, 13 July 2009 11:49) Must fully agree.Many more minuses than pluses.

Where is our defender of human rights, roberto, to grace us with some of his wisdom regarding these victims of the war? Or are Serbs, Russians and Poles the only people on the planet who commit war crimes?

Neither am I surprised that the BBC didn't cover it but then again the BBC refuses to call the Armenian genocide a genocide, preferring to say 'mass killings'.

Funny how the BBC is so politically correct on some issues and not others. Of course this is the case in the UK on its (last few years) genocide day where serbs and armenians are excluded yet 'bosniaks' (who?) are. Then again, most of the MSM are still calling the killed Srebrenica soldiers 'men and boys'. How convenient for them.

I don't know enough about these things, but notice that the Vojvodina massacres are mentioned as if perpetrated by Serbs. Later Tito's regret is mentioned. Tito was not a Serb was he? I was under the impression he was a Croatian who fought in the Austrian army against Serbs in the first world war and executed many Serbs during and after the second war and generally did few favours to Serbia. To link his acts/crimes with Serbians doesn't make much sense to me.

To link his acts/crimes with Serbians doesn't make much sense to me.
(Meirion Davies, 14 July 2009 12:48)

Had you read Ataman's comments carefully this is exactly what he wants to tell that it is not fair to link these event with serbs directly.

This is a fine example of how Western Media can contort something in order to blow something out of proportion in order to blacken an entire nation's (in this case, Serbia) name.

Srebrenica was a henious warcrime, but no way is it anything near genocide.
(Peter Sudyka, 14 July 2009 13:37)

All this hypocrite western media mentality fully supported by pseudoentelectual european " elite " and their bootlickers(roberciki in polish) with their lack of sense of proportions recalls me the 100 executed serbs or poles for 1 killed german soldier rule.These manipulating pseudoentelectuels are simply worse and more harmful than thieves and murderers(see Bible).

Indeed Peter! I'm wondering why we haven't heard of the 'Katyn Genocide' etc. etc.? After all, those polish soldiers were mostly officers, i.e. a group and a clear attempt to decapitate potential polish military and political resistance to the soviets etc.

Using the same sloppy, politically manipulated and reinterpreted thinking as the ICTY judges have used for Srebrenica, then I can say with complete confidence that hundreds, if not thousands of genocides have been committed in the 20th century.

After all, if is no longer relevant whether the victims are soldiers or civilians then there isn't much which isn't 'genocide'. Everyone can join the party!

Coming to think of it, there is a movement within Germany
that demands the recognition of the Czech deporting of all the sudeten germans after the war. If this is not a case of eliminating a groups historical, cultural presence within an area regardless of whether it is only a small portion of the total etc. then why isn't this also taken up as Czech communist genocide against the german civilians?

The list goes on and on and on...

I am sorry for these victimes like for victimes of ALL ethnic groups. Seeing their memorial cross I noticed that at least they have one and the B.-Serbs can murn them in dignity. This is unfortunately not the case for the some 35,000 innocent Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina in 1944. Will they ever allowed to have their memorial cross? 65 years passed since...time enough to find out that they were innocent. There should be justice for all!!!
(Joe, 12 July 2009 15:16) maybe youshould read about how hungary provided the land and equipment for ustasha training as far back as 1934.read this http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/new-martyrs.html.The hungarians were enemies of Serbia as are their brothers the austrians.God bless Serbia,and all our massacred people.

The truth about Srebrenica: http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=6082

The truth about Srebrenica: [link]
(Tomo, 17 July 2009 17:27) well said tomo de-construct.net is a great site ,lots of news you dont see get anywhere else.

Thankyou rudi, you the lone voice in the wilderness of anger and mrznje..how anyone can deny that the dead are bothers is beyond belief!I send these words to all mothers who weep for their lost sons :Drowned in my sorrow, why do you torment me too?Bent to the ground by the world,why do you kick me too ?. I received my life from you, tell me, do you want it back?.
(igi, 12 July 2009 21:41) I for one dont recognize people as brothers just because they are dead.People that cut throats and cut off heads are not brothers with the victims.There is a heaven and hell and this divides these people.God bless Serbia and our holy church

Where is our defender of human rights, roberto, to grace us with some of his wisdom regarding these victims of the war? Or are Serbs, Russians and Poles the only people on the planet who commit war crimes?
(Peter Sudyka, 13 July 2009 08:31)

I would add to the list hungarians,the irish,the greek armenians and people of Iran.(quite interestingly those who suffered in history proportionally more than the others.).It is politically correct to critizes these and ones mentioned in your comment in Michnik media and Roberto style "intellectual" circles.Of course any critics about Attrocities committed by US,Turkey,Israel are deeply condemned and rated as racist,backward and antisemitic.

@@@ by joe

"...dean van der serbia,

I am sorry for these victimes like for victimes of ALL ethnic groups. Seeing their memorial cross I noticed that at least they have one and the B.-Serbs can murn them in dignity. This is unfortunately not the case for the some 35,000 innocent Hungarians massacred in Vojvodina in 1944. Will they ever allowed to have their memorial cross? 65 years passed since...time enough to find out that they were innocent. There should be justice for all!!!"..."

(Joe, 12 July 2009 15:16)

Answer: Please try to stay, with your comments, much more closely connected with the subject of the B92 article, otherwise our commenting is totally useless and chaotic.
Concerning, by you mentioned, atrocities against ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina and in 1944, I do not have knowledge to comment on it. If you provide us with the link-source would be constructive.
I do know detailed facts about atrocities of Hungarian Nazis in Vojvodina and Hungary against Serbian population, but all of this is not connected with the subject of this B92 article.

@Joe,

Thanks for the link. I saw some related articles linked to the site as well. It's unfortunate that we could not have learned from these tragedies and prevent what happened in the 1990's. We can only hope and work so that we don't go there again.

@ataman and szemi
You guys sort of lost me there.