Srebrenica declaration sent to parliament

What I would like to know is why the term genocide is used here? Has it been watered down so much that the term has lost its meaning? So the Muslims in Bosnia kill 3000 Serbian chidren, women and men while in response the Serbians kill 6000 men of military age. Perhaps this can be described as a massacre but genocide is far fetched. If we are going to have some kind of declaration then we must remember all of the dead, not only one side or the other as this war (which the West influenced) was a horrible event for the people of that region, who lived in relative harmony for 50 years prior to the West's interference.

When we consider true genocides, such as the Armenian one committed by the Turks and involved the death of over 2 million men, women and children, how does Srebrenica compare to that? The Turks are still in denial.

Also, why would Srbrenica be considered "genocide" but not the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In those cases over 240,000 men, women and children died in an instant (not considering those that died afterwards).

We will only achieve universal peace when we are mature enough to admit to all crimes and not point the finger at one side or the other. Those selective finger pointers do nothing for peace and reconciliation. Their purpose is to promote and maintain the division so until everyone is ready to come clean, peace will elude us.

This is why the NATO court in the Hague has failed so miserably. There was a good opportunity for everyone but the criminals to gained but the political nature of the court prevented that. What a waste!

there is nothing to declare. There was no genocide in Serbia. Read up on the legal definition of genocide. During WWII the Jews went through genocide at the hands of the Nazis and the Serbs went through genocide at the hands of those that today accuse them of this crime i.e Croats, Bosnian Muslims and the albanians.

Here we go again, down the rabbit hole and into the world of Alice in Wonderland again.... Has Zarko Korac ever proposed a motion to aid the survivors of the Jasenovac death camp system that incontrovertibly killed hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and other selected victims? If not, one has to ask why not, and the answer is simple... defending Serbs is not part of his agenda and his Western funding would dry up if he did anything of the sort. Approximately 100 *times* more people are estimated to have died at the hands of the fascist Croats and their Muslim allies in World War II. Yet to acknowledge this fact would undermine the contrived genocide status of the much smaller number of alleged killings at Srebrenica. How is it that Srebrenica has been turned in to the mantra of this era and the name Jasenovac is totally unknown?
Easy, when the government of Serbia works for the enemies of the Serbian people and even the political "opposition" has been neutered and split into powerless factions through blackmail, extortion and bribery... then this is what "democracy" looks like.
We already have the world court ruling that said that Serbia was *not* responsible for anything in Srebrenica, and yet to overturn that reality through the Goebbels-style presentation of a motion of self-incrimination to be applied against blameless Serbia is printed without any critique here and in other pro-NATO and Western-run media.
The ultimate result of depriving people of any outlet for the truth in their own media, overturning their legal electoral choices through arm-twisting by the U.S. provincial governor of Serbia Cameron Munter, and the illegal theft of territory on all sides will inevitably be violence.
Shame on our universities! Shame on our teachers! Shame on our "journalists"! You are placing false shame on your own nation!
But fear not,those who know the truth will ultimately win this battle, no matter how long it takes. The Serbian people will win.
This result is inevitable and will be welcomed by every free-thinking democrat here and around the world.

John Bosnitch
Jounalist
Belgrade
john.b@imcnews.com

Europeans and USA deliberately turn a blind eye to sufferings of Serbs.

Nonsende "declaration" and nothing more then politisation.
Serbian Constitution does have chapters addressing the matter in the line with standards of the EU.

This declaration will change nothing. Bosnians and Croats will continue making demands and the Dutch will not change their stance. The latter would insist on passing Vladan Batic's declaration saying the Dutch had no involvement and are guilt free.

When the Dutch admit guilt and when the Bosnians and Croats pass a day commemorating ?Jasenovac, then Serbia should consider passing this.

As a serb I fully support this bill, if others nations fail to admit their wrongdoings it does not mean we should follow suit. If they want to live in denial let them but we must own up to the crimes that were done in our name. This feeling of injustice I share with my fellow Serbs but we must bare responsibility for our own actions.

John Bosnitch

Well written and thank you for your brave honesty.

Most Western journalists and University 'Intelligentsia' are fearful of investigation into the many fabricated 'events' of the Balkan 'wars'.

You see, they are scared of those 'high-ranking' journalists and even Professors who received very hefty 'brown envelopes' for turning a blind eye and staying quiet.
I really hope that Bernard Madoff got hold of those same monies.

MB,Ireland

I call for Srebrenica Day to be made the "Remembrance Day" and an EU holiday. Each anniversary to hold meetings, with speeches and to talk about what happened, why and what hate can do. Never again!

the moslem world, turkey, BIH Federacija, Albania etc and the usa and germany should first recognize the genocid of the million armenians and the 700000 pontian greeks than they can ask for whatever. Also if the opposition doesn't want to forget the victims of srebrenica it should also make a declaration about the slaughtered 1500 serbs from naser oric. Serbs dont listen to amerikan and western propaganda they just supporting their interests.

John Bosnitch,

It is clear that still you aren't come further than repeating the Memorandum language of 1986. Your time was during Milosevic' reign, but is now out of order.
Is it arm-twisting of the West, when Serbs testify about what they have seen and done during the Balkan wars? Were they brainwashed or bribed to become traitors, like some of your people are judging? There are still enough people in Serbia who are facing the reality of the recent past. History will thank them for their courage.

Cees

"Is it arm-twisting of the West, when Serbs testify about what they have seen and done during the Balkan wars? Were they brainwashed or bribed to become traitors, like some of your people are judging?"

Yes, indeed they were often bribed or threatened by the Kangaroo court at the Hague. And they have been found making up stuff - fabrication and perjury.

One example was Momir Nikolic - look him up. He was a repeated "witness" for the Hague over Srebrenica. But he was caught lying and had to admit he was never there regarding the incidences he "witnessed" nor was he with the people he said he was with.

He perjured as part of a Hague deal. He made up stories according to their script.

Another "witness" was a Croat, Drazen Erdemovic - on whose "testimony" most of the Srebrenica conviction rests.

But he is a known liar, and he lied about his rank as well. Erdemovic served on all three sides and there's no proof that he or his unit were even paid by the Serbs - it seems they were paid by the French, as many of their unit were former members of the French Foreign Legion.

Finally some common sence from a politician.

"First recognize Jasenovac then we'll recognize Srebrenica". "First recognize the Armenian genocide..." etc., etc.. What are you? Italian politicians? Just because others have done the same doesn't mean it's right! Revenge and retaliation are not excuses and not acceptable. Recognize this massacre and then you can address others. Constantly defending your country's actions because of similar crimes from over 60 years ago or crimes against Armenians 100 years ago don't help and don't make Srebrenica right.

"there is nothing to declare. There was no genocide in Serbia. Read up on the legal definition of genocide."

A court decides it: "Last week, the international war crimes tribunal in the Hague handed down its toughest sentence yet and its first conviction for genocide, the first time the court has definitively linked that word with the Bosnian war."

http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/s341272.htm

I think the term 'mass murder' describes it better. The word genocide has unfortunately become a legal and political football.

The horror of killing needs to be described by a term that captures the thuggish criminality. The word murder does that quite well.

However the word genocide also captures the idea that one national group murders a different national group - but it is still just thuggish murder.

The deliberate killing of unarmed people is cowardly. Cowardly murder brings no honour to the persons doing it or to the country they supposedly represent.

To the Parliament, for Seselj and Bosnich likes to make jokes.
Stopo making fun out of the genocide please.

Finally some common sence from a politician.

To the Parliament, for Seselj and Bosnich likes to make jokes.
Stopo making fun out of the genocide please.

What I would like to know is why the term genocide is used here? Has it been watered down so much that the term has lost its meaning? So the Muslims in Bosnia kill 3000 Serbian chidren, women and men while in response the Serbians kill 6000 men of military age. Perhaps this can be described as a massacre but genocide is far fetched. If we are going to have some kind of declaration then we must remember all of the dead, not only one side or the other as this war (which the West influenced) was a horrible event for the people of that region, who lived in relative harmony for 50 years prior to the West's interference.

When we consider true genocides, such as the Armenian one committed by the Turks and involved the death of over 2 million men, women and children, how does Srebrenica compare to that? The Turks are still in denial.

Also, why would Srbrenica be considered "genocide" but not the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In those cases over 240,000 men, women and children died in an instant (not considering those that died afterwards).

We will only achieve universal peace when we are mature enough to admit to all crimes and not point the finger at one side or the other. Those selective finger pointers do nothing for peace and reconciliation. Their purpose is to promote and maintain the division so until everyone is ready to come clean, peace will elude us.

This is why the NATO court in the Hague has failed so miserably. There was a good opportunity for everyone but the criminals to gained but the political nature of the court prevented that. What a waste!

there is nothing to declare. There was no genocide in Serbia. Read up on the legal definition of genocide. During WWII the Jews went through genocide at the hands of the Nazis and the Serbs went through genocide at the hands of those that today accuse them of this crime i.e Croats, Bosnian Muslims and the albanians.

"there is nothing to declare. There was no genocide in Serbia. Read up on the legal definition of genocide."

A court decides it: "Last week, the international war crimes tribunal in the Hague handed down its toughest sentence yet and its first conviction for genocide, the first time the court has definitively linked that word with the Bosnian war."

http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/s341272.htm

As a serb I fully support this bill, if others nations fail to admit their wrongdoings it does not mean we should follow suit. If they want to live in denial let them but we must own up to the crimes that were done in our name. This feeling of injustice I share with my fellow Serbs but we must bare responsibility for our own actions.

I call for Srebrenica Day to be made the "Remembrance Day" and an EU holiday. Each anniversary to hold meetings, with speeches and to talk about what happened, why and what hate can do. Never again!

the moslem world, turkey, BIH Federacija, Albania etc and the usa and germany should first recognize the genocid of the million armenians and the 700000 pontian greeks than they can ask for whatever. Also if the opposition doesn't want to forget the victims of srebrenica it should also make a declaration about the slaughtered 1500 serbs from naser oric. Serbs dont listen to amerikan and western propaganda they just supporting their interests.

Here we go again, down the rabbit hole and into the world of Alice in Wonderland again.... Has Zarko Korac ever proposed a motion to aid the survivors of the Jasenovac death camp system that incontrovertibly killed hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and other selected victims? If not, one has to ask why not, and the answer is simple... defending Serbs is not part of his agenda and his Western funding would dry up if he did anything of the sort. Approximately 100 *times* more people are estimated to have died at the hands of the fascist Croats and their Muslim allies in World War II. Yet to acknowledge this fact would undermine the contrived genocide status of the much smaller number of alleged killings at Srebrenica. How is it that Srebrenica has been turned in to the mantra of this era and the name Jasenovac is totally unknown?
Easy, when the government of Serbia works for the enemies of the Serbian people and even the political "opposition" has been neutered and split into powerless factions through blackmail, extortion and bribery... then this is what "democracy" looks like.
We already have the world court ruling that said that Serbia was *not* responsible for anything in Srebrenica, and yet to overturn that reality through the Goebbels-style presentation of a motion of self-incrimination to be applied against blameless Serbia is printed without any critique here and in other pro-NATO and Western-run media.
The ultimate result of depriving people of any outlet for the truth in their own media, overturning their legal electoral choices through arm-twisting by the U.S. provincial governor of Serbia Cameron Munter, and the illegal theft of territory on all sides will inevitably be violence.
Shame on our universities! Shame on our teachers! Shame on our "journalists"! You are placing false shame on your own nation!
But fear not,those who know the truth will ultimately win this battle, no matter how long it takes. The Serbian people will win.
This result is inevitable and will be welcomed by every free-thinking democrat here and around the world.

John Bosnitch
Jounalist
Belgrade
john.b@imcnews.com

Europeans and USA deliberately turn a blind eye to sufferings of Serbs.

This declaration will change nothing. Bosnians and Croats will continue making demands and the Dutch will not change their stance. The latter would insist on passing Vladan Batic's declaration saying the Dutch had no involvement and are guilt free.

When the Dutch admit guilt and when the Bosnians and Croats pass a day commemorating ?Jasenovac, then Serbia should consider passing this.

John Bosnitch,

It is clear that still you aren't come further than repeating the Memorandum language of 1986. Your time was during Milosevic' reign, but is now out of order.
Is it arm-twisting of the West, when Serbs testify about what they have seen and done during the Balkan wars? Were they brainwashed or bribed to become traitors, like some of your people are judging? There are still enough people in Serbia who are facing the reality of the recent past. History will thank them for their courage.

Cees

Nonsende "declaration" and nothing more then politisation.
Serbian Constitution does have chapters addressing the matter in the line with standards of the EU.

John Bosnitch

Well written and thank you for your brave honesty.

Most Western journalists and University 'Intelligentsia' are fearful of investigation into the many fabricated 'events' of the Balkan 'wars'.

You see, they are scared of those 'high-ranking' journalists and even Professors who received very hefty 'brown envelopes' for turning a blind eye and staying quiet.
I really hope that Bernard Madoff got hold of those same monies.

MB,Ireland

"First recognize Jasenovac then we'll recognize Srebrenica". "First recognize the Armenian genocide..." etc., etc.. What are you? Italian politicians? Just because others have done the same doesn't mean it's right! Revenge and retaliation are not excuses and not acceptable. Recognize this massacre and then you can address others. Constantly defending your country's actions because of similar crimes from over 60 years ago or crimes against Armenians 100 years ago don't help and don't make Srebrenica right.

"Is it arm-twisting of the West, when Serbs testify about what they have seen and done during the Balkan wars? Were they brainwashed or bribed to become traitors, like some of your people are judging?"

Yes, indeed they were often bribed or threatened by the Kangaroo court at the Hague. And they have been found making up stuff - fabrication and perjury.

One example was Momir Nikolic - look him up. He was a repeated "witness" for the Hague over Srebrenica. But he was caught lying and had to admit he was never there regarding the incidences he "witnessed" nor was he with the people he said he was with.

He perjured as part of a Hague deal. He made up stories according to their script.

Another "witness" was a Croat, Drazen Erdemovic - on whose "testimony" most of the Srebrenica conviction rests.

But he is a known liar, and he lied about his rank as well. Erdemovic served on all three sides and there's no proof that he or his unit were even paid by the Serbs - it seems they were paid by the French, as many of their unit were former members of the French Foreign Legion.

I think the term 'mass murder' describes it better. The word genocide has unfortunately become a legal and political football.

The horror of killing needs to be described by a term that captures the thuggish criminality. The word murder does that quite well.

However the word genocide also captures the idea that one national group murders a different national group - but it is still just thuggish murder.

The deliberate killing of unarmed people is cowardly. Cowardly murder brings no honour to the persons doing it or to the country they supposedly represent.