I have Palestinian friends both Muslim and Christian and believe me, they are not all 'bandits'.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
So do I.And even more among lebanese and iranian people.I feel equally at home in Hezbollah controlled Haret Hreik area in Beirut and pubs along Falls road in Belfast.But I can understand Ataman despite the fact the I rarely agree with him on middle eastern issues(as opposed to our views regarding Kosovo).There were really many Arabs in Budapest spoilt by Interior ministry in 80s.They had only rights but no duties.The ruling system allowed them everything.You could buy hard currency or weapons from these guys because they were "officialy " allowed to be engaged in this business while hungarians were heavily punished for involvment in these activities.They felt as if they were the kings and could allow anything.Heavily misbehaved to say the least.So I understand people like Ataman who had mainly this experiance although I do not agreee fully with his generalization.
'We had not a single positive experience with these guys, which is pretty much unique.
(Ataman, 9 July 2009 19:20) '
My experience has been the opposite. When I was living in Prague I knew maybe more Arabs than Czechs (by chance - most were neighbors). We were all foreigners to the Czechs, all outsiders, so we had a lot in common, although I had it easier (no midnight checks of identity papers, for example). The guys I knew were homesick (they'd rather have stayed at home, if there had been work), hard-working, family-loving types. One thing I learned to admire was their generosity - Czechs despised beggars, but these guys were almost physically unable to refuse a request for help, even though they had little enough themselves. And if you did them a favor, they never forgot it, either. In my experience, wonderful people afflicted with horrible leaders.
What have you got against Arabs and Muslims in general? I think you are behaving irrationally here.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
It's all explained and fairly rational. Please read the postings above yours and also of Szemi.
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I can detect a latent underlying racism in your posts towards Arabs and Muslims.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
We had not a single positive experience with these guys (Arabs), which is pretty much unique. If I would have any, I will change my mind. As for Moslems - I had some good supervisors and colleagues, these were Iranians. But they were not the "crazy" type.
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I have Palestinian friends both Muslim and Christian and believe me, they are not all 'bandits'.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
But the ones whom we did face in 80-s and the former classmate of my wife who tried rape her - they all are bandits. The local businessman I knew from USA (our customer, btw) was not a bandit but not a person I would favor to deal with. He is Orthodox - but that does not change much, same underlying substance.
We had not a single positive experience with these guys, which is pretty much unique.
What have you got against Arabs and Muslims in general? I think you are behaving irrationally here. I can detect a latent underlying racism in your posts towards Arabs and Muslims.
I have Palestinian friends both Muslim and Christian and believe me, they are not all 'bandits'.
I am often in the middle east and must say that both muslims and jews are much better brought up and know the rules than those who are in Europe and do not stick to their real roots.
(szemi, 9 July 2009 00:19)
That is maybe true. Our experience with Arabs was their "expat" community in Hungary and Russia during 80-s. Who experiences it first-hand will usually become a fierce pro-Israeli, regardless of his background.
If you add to the picture, some of these "kind" people did deploy later their skills in Chechnya instead (as trained) in Ghaza... I have to say, training them was not just immoral but dumb, too.
In general, USA and USSR/Russia have tough time to learn the lession: don't deal with anyone who yells out "Allahu Akbar" loudly. Leave that case to mental doctors.
If you remember, a while ago that idiot Brezhnyev did state, that "Moslem religion is the most progressive religion because it's anti-imperialistic".
Indeed, medieval bigotry is also anti-capitalist, but that does not mean it is a good thing.
The basic wisdom is:
1) "the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend"
2) "the friend of my enemy is not necessarily my enemy"
3) "the friend of my friend is not necessarily my friend"
Everyone should look at these and think twice. If Adem Jashari is a terrorist, who did blow up Serbs and Shamil Basayev is a bandit who blew up children and civil airplanes - why would Palestinians who blew up Israelis be called "freedom fighters".
They are all bandits, terrorists and mafiosi: Adem Jashari, Hashish Thaci, Abbas, Arafat, Basayev. Who is dead hopefully is in some hot place, who is alive should be brought to the justice. And if some Russian or Israeli or American drone fires a missile and some of this gang go to a "hot & familiar" place: not optimal, not really legal - but I won't shed much tears and better them than us + good riddance.
and yes, my next target is Israel -- wish us luck!
thank you.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 8 July 2009 17:04)
Roberto, who is us? Albanians?
(Peggy, 8 July 2009 23:13)
Nope, it's Roberto + his agenda + maybe some of his friends in the far north.
If he travels south 40 miles, there won't be many of "them", Santa Clara valley is not SF. Not just that we don't support Kosovo - but our restaurants are better and not tourist traps. All what we do miss is that bridge with the fog.
What is doing your wife among Palestinians?
(Joe, 8 July 2009 21:56)
If you are honestly interested:
Nothing - just visiting the BME (Budapesti Müszaki Egyetem) university in Budapest. You did depart Hungary indeed a while ago or you never finished the university in Budapest. Otherwise you would not ask: the universities in Hungary were literally infested by Palestinian "students".
These "students" had a cover-up "job" as students. Their main job was to receive certain training as essentially "terrorist".
That was part of the "brotherly help" the Soviet camp gave to Palestinians to battle the "Zionists". The origin of this insanity can be traced back to Stalin and the so-called "doctors lawsuit". It's a long story and not worth to go in details here. In any case, all these unfortunate countries were obligated to "help" the Palestinians and train their militants.
The most common way was to accept them as students. They had usually very low scores - but professors were not allowed to fire them. There were numerous students from other countries, too. USSR, China (at begin), NKorea, VietNam, Cuba. What is interesting, all (except most Cubans) had very decent scores at average and even in the case of (North)VietNam or USSR the professors were allowed to fire the under-achievers. That, as said, was not the case with Palestinian, Lybian, Syrian students.
As for original story - a classmate of my wife proposed her to take her home in his car. (Because these poor Palestinian students did drive fancy cars, public busses were not good for them). It turned out to be a very remarkable drive and she was lucky at the end. You need to be really a low-life in order to try anything mean with your classmate.... And they had no problems because the victims could not rely on police either - they would be punished, not the Arab "guest".
This kind of experience wasn't unique, it was in big numbers and I have to say, my wife was pretty naive to accept that offer to begin with.
and yes, my next target is Israel -- wish us luck!
thank you.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 8 July 2009 17:04)
All I can help you on that is to give you a hint, where to buy the cheapest ticket. And wish you a lucky and good vacation.
Can't think about any other "target"... in particular, don't try to exercise your views on the streets of Tel Aviv to local Russians. They will tell you where to go - faster than you can say "faleminderit" or "KosovA", don't worry ;)
to Ataman. Dear commentator. you seem to be either from the comunism educated old guard or you might have picked all your information from the net,but just a little lesson for you. We Albanians do not & wan't not to feel free to take on board the countries you mention. infact it is your country Serbia that is best of friends with the most totalitarian countries in the world including Iran. good luck.Hvala in the mean time thankyou Jordan.Allahu Akbar.
I am surprised by Albanians posters who seem to believe that recognitions may solve every possible problem in their lives. I am even more surprised by Serbian posters who constantly downplay the importance of such recognitions. While some Albanians must be living in some dream world, some serbs must be feeling extremely threatened by those recognitions, otherwise, they would simply ignore them.
For the present time, the recognition from Jordan is the most important recognition. There is one Judge of Jordan at the International Court of Justice. Now even if the ICJ will bring a political decision, that will be in favour of Kosovo's indepenendece.
Thanks Jordan, thanks USA :
What is doing your wife among Palestinians?
(Joe, 8 July 2009 21:56)
Well she might have been for example a student hostel resident.During Kádár system many palestinians and others from the so called "friendly"african and asian countries were "educated" in Hungary and put among regular collage and university students.In one of his recent comments Ataman gave a pretty good account of these arabs, although I do not agree with him that based on behavior and attitude of these people he should generalize.I am often in the middle east and must say that both muslims and jews are much better brought up and know the rules than those who are in Europe and do not stick to their real roots.
As for Israel... in your wildest dreams, hopefully, just after Russia and Cyprus.
(Ataman, 8 July 2009 16:23)
Ataman,
I have mentioned this in the past in one my responses to you.
Israeli recognition is the least of the worries at the present.
Have you noticed that no political actions towards that are taking place at the present?
I can assure that the reason is very simple.
Israeli recognition is assured.
It will come after the OIC country member votes are in the bag.
Israel recognising Kosovo today would be contra-productive.
When the time is right it will be done (long before Russia vote).
Lenard: "I wonder how many countries would recognize Srpska entity. If it dared to declare unilateral independence"
That is the whole point Serbia missed the chance to "exchange" Kosovo for Srpska. After Dayton it had few precious year do keep repeating that it would give Kosovo the same right of self-determination that the international community alows for Srpska. Tah, combimed with an unilateral withdrow of all military forces from Kosovo (exept Mitrovica) would have prevented the war of 1999 and the recognition of any Kosovo's UDI. And of course the union with Montenegro might have been preserved!
Anyway... jordanian leadership is a puppet of us. Because whoever is not, like Syria for example, they are portaryed on cnn as an evil dictator regime by american war mongers.
"You ought to be joking. We have passage to Adriatic Sea with big sea port at our disposal, and you don't and you still call Kosova a big prison. heheheh"
Kosova-USA
Tell me how the sea has helped Kosovo or Albania prosper? Well, it hasn't! Serbia has been under sanctions and bombed back to the stoneage but still we are further ahead than Albanai will ever be. How come? Albania have had decades of freedom to build a stable country but what happend?
'Which in itself is a fair comment on the importance of this issue to Jordan in particular & the world in general. '
I'd have to agree that recognizing a new country in the world is probably not a matter of urgent importance for most governments - look how many abstained even from voting on supporting Jeremic's ICJ proposal at the U.N.: 77 votes for, 6 against and 74 abstentions.
(I'm not sure how people get 130 countries strongly supporting Serbia's position out of this.)
Given the opportunity, most governments will do nothing rather than take what could be a risky action, no matter how important that action may be to two other states. Getting them to act is what takes diplomatic skill, which Kosovo is developing, one recognition at a time.
"Not enough countries accept your passport for you to consider being able to travel the world."
The odds of Betim wanting or having to go to South Africa are near nil, this is the Balkans you are talking about. 22 out of 27 EU countries recognize us, Greece, Romania and Slavekia recognize the passport, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, Australia etc do as well.
I predict that Albania will change the law on citizenship, very soon. We already have one unified "border" police and the economies will be 100% integrated.
Don't worry about Serbs though. They'll go on living as before, completely separate from Pristina. This is meaningless for them.
(Mike, 8 July 2009 13:10)
We don't worry about the meaningless 7% minority Serbs. We couldn't care less in fact. Let them live in their ghettos until they are wiped out and go extinct. They don't want to integrate? We are happy to forget they exist!
That is a grace! Palestinians really slapped Serbia in the face. Mr Tadic "should kick Mr. Abbas out of this country on a donkey!
(Gojko, 8 July 2009 15:16)
Absolutely. Please google on his biography. Holocaust-denial, ex-terrorist. The only place for him in Serbia would be a prison.
This recognition could not be at a better time: learn the Arab back-stabbing. Arab "friendship" is from 1001 night series, but not the "reality on ground".
I just told this story to my (almost-raped-by-Palestinians) wife and she was laughing her butt off. Congratulations, that was the most funny recognition so far.
I wish "Hashish" Thaci to have more Arab friends and recognitions, the more the better.
what wave are you talking about. This is Jeremic invention? Do you belive on this?
(Olf, 8 July 2009 16:04)
I just laugh my butt of seeing an angry guy in fustanellä, an other angry guy wearing opanak looking at each other and arguing, who has a longer mustache - while Ali Baba and thirty Arab thieves clean their wallets.
Now they argue, which of thirty thieves is a honest person and which is not. Amazing. Some are even more amazing, arguing that all of the thirty thieves are nice people and calling their victims names.
It's easy to be on their side while in UK or Ireland...
Thank you Jordan, Allah bless you. For the sake of peace in the middle east I think for Izrael is better to wait for a while and then join the recognition team. I wonder who's going to be the 62nd country (most important till now) to recognize Kosova.
Thanks Jordan once again.
(Nelli_Canada, 8 July 2009 13:32)
Well, that's the point. Inshallah, we can live without Allah and his blessings. Feel free to take all of these failed countries, plus Iran, plus Pakistan, plus Bangladesh. They should be your best friends, birds of feather flock together.
Every single Arab country recognizing Kosovo is a joy for me.
As for Israel... in your wildest dreams, hopefully, just after Russia and Cyprus.
Jeremic is so predictable! As soon as he says that we are preventing recognitions and declares success, we are bound to be recognized by another few countries, and then we have this discussion again.
Well, since according to Serbs countries recognizing Kosova are all US colonies the number of US colonies just augmented to 60 (61 - US). Not bad for a so-called "declining" country.
Also if recognitions are meaningless how do you explain Jeremic's statement that preventing further recognitions s/b the most important task of his ministery?
Wow! I thought Palestine just said they would not recognize! Jordan is basically Palestine. Mr. Tadic and the Serbian gov't is faceless. Taking "cute" pictures with the Palestinians and then they recognize Kosovo while Abbas is still in Serbia.
That is a grace! Palestinians really slapped Serbia in the face. Mr Tadic "should kick Mr. Abbas out of this country on a donkey!
Maybe Serbia is just plain oblivious to what is going on. Serbia has way too many things going on at once and is being pulled in 10 different directions. Serbia needs a leader that has some control.
I guess Serbia and Palestine/Jordan could not make a monetary deal over Kosovo?
to zoran and co,
prishtina aeroport is,for its traffic before shkopje.So for a prison it has a traffic for more than a million and half/year...
The time when you could close the frontier is over,
You may get a few more but with over 130 on Serbia's side that include powerful countries blocking independence forever it's game over.
Who said that these 130 countries are on Serbian side. Actually on contrary see the votes to join IMF and WB+Countries recognizing Kosova passport. Very few, or I should say handfull ate totally against it but the rest are undecided right now for different reasons. But I bet you, you will find out soon enough haw many are on Serbian side!
Finally managed to track down independent confirmation for pristina's claim.
Here it is: http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=18235&searchFor=Kosovo
Is a one-liner buried in the item "Dahabi underlines need to incorporate decentralisation in development" - about two thirds of the way down: "During the Cabinet session, chaired by Dahabi, the Cabinet also decided to recognise Kosovo’s independence."
Which in itself is a fair comment on the importance of this issue to Jordan in particular & the world in general.
Enjoy it while it lasts Kosovo. The real test will in October, after the Kosovo Revolution, when the Kosovo people will have to ask themselves: What do we do now? Where do we get work, money, food and energy from, because the current system doesn't work?
--
BTW, Kosovo is your prison. Don't worry about Albania etc. unless you can get Albanian passport. I doubt you will be able to do that, so you will stay in Kosovo.
Not enough countries accept your passport for you to consider being able to travel the world.
We have passage to Adriatic Sea with big sea port at our disposal
(Kosova-USA, 8 July 2009 13:05)
--
How nice, a prison with a view. I remember images of the great escape with ships full of Albanians heading towards Italy but they were sent back right?
Seriously, you guys should focus more on developing the province rather than worrying about meaningless recognitions. You may get a few more but with over 130 on Serbia's side that include powerful countries blocking independence forever it's game over. The reason this is going so slow is to delay the inevitable brick wall you'll be hitting soon enough.
Recognitions are a side show that change little. It would be far better for all of Serbia's citizens and leaders to focus on developing the country rather than lobbying nations to say a few meaningless words.
Progress starts when negotiations begin. I hope we can settle our differences and start building a proper future for all citizens.
Just before get too excited - this is reality how EU sees teritory of Kosovo - and EU is more competent than most small islands or bribed spineless nations who did what masters asked to do:
"Under EU visa regulations, Kosovo will be placed in the category of territories that, for the EU’s purposes, have an undefined, unrecognized international legal status, such as Taiwan or northern Cyprus.
Under EU visa regulations, Kosovo will be placed in the category of territories that, for the EU’s purposes, have an undefined, unrecognized international legal status, such as Taiwan or northern Cyprus.
Oh good. Now Jordan can become a "real" country in Albanian historical memory, and its people can be recognized as those who consciously stand with the Albanian people, or whatever is said everytime some country decides to recognize.
Don't worry about Serbs though. They'll go on living as before, completely separate from Pristina. This is meaningless for them.
Well said, and it goes for Kosovo too. Want stability and a prosperous Kosovo then start negotiating or keep living in the biggest prison on earth.
(MikeC, 8 July 2009 11:47)
You ought to be joking. We have passage to Adriatic Sea with big sea port at our disposal, and you don't and you still call Kosova a big prison. heheheh
A good news for Kosovo. Slowly but surely Kosovo is taking its deserved place in the world stage. Congrats to our Kosovar friends!
(John, 8 July 2009 11:15)
Thank you John for this very kind message. I'd like to ensure everyone else in here that Kosova is a democratic country and it's inviting everyone to integrate into its' institution, even serb minority who slaughtered their neighbors is being invited to integrate!, can anyone believe that?.
One more country to recognize and that'll be it.
Thank you Jordan, Allah bless you. For the sake of peace in the middle east I think for Izrael is better to wait for a while and then join the recognition team. I wonder who's going to be the 62nd country (most important till now) to recognize Kosova.
Thanks Jordan once again.
its so much more interesting to see that american client like jordan waited this long than that they actually recognized the abomination. what does that tell you about our separatist albanians and nature of their failed project currently on american life support :)
Another key-player in the muslim world. Thanks Jordan! Wasn't your little Vuk bragging about just three days ago how he's managed to stop new recognitions! Well I implore him to make such declarations more often, they've become premontitions to the one-way road of recognition of Kosovo's independence!
Mr. Abass perhaps came to inform Tadic about Jordan recognizing Kosovo which btw contribute towards strengthening peace and stability in the Balkan region.
I wonder how many countries would recognize Srpska entity. If it dared to declare unilateral independence maybe one or two at the most that would recognize it with a lot of soul searching. It would be on a receiving end of an unbelievable and overwhelming indignation from the world or worse.
I knew something would happen, just like when FYROM and CG recognized us. Otherwise, Jordan and Saudis are their best friends and US with EU have the big pockets. All are on our side.
I am not one to gloat but since they all count one I am finding it difficult to supress my satisfaction this morning, for yet another country has recognized.
I am not one to gloat but since they all count one I am finding it difficult to supress my satisfaction this morning, for yet another country has recognized.
Well said, and it goes for Kosovo too. Want stability and a prosperous Kosovo then start negotiating or keep living in the biggest prison on earth.
(MikeC, 8 July 2009 11:47)
You ought to be joking. We have passage to Adriatic Sea with big sea port at our disposal, and you don't and you still call Kosova a big prison. heheheh
I knew something would happen, just like when FYROM and CG recognized us. Otherwise, Jordan and Saudis are their best friends and US with EU have the big pockets. All are on our side.
Another key-player in the muslim world. Thanks Jordan! Wasn't your little Vuk bragging about just three days ago how he's managed to stop new recognitions! Well I implore him to make such declarations more often, they've become premontitions to the one-way road of recognition of Kosovo's independence!
Mr. Abass perhaps came to inform Tadic about Jordan recognizing Kosovo which btw contribute towards strengthening peace and stability in the Balkan region.
Well, since according to Serbs countries recognizing Kosova are all US colonies the number of US colonies just augmented to 60 (61 - US). Not bad for a so-called "declining" country.
Also if recognitions are meaningless how do you explain Jeremic's statement that preventing further recognitions s/b the most important task of his ministery?
A good news for Kosovo. Slowly but surely Kosovo is taking its deserved place in the world stage. Congrats to our Kosovar friends!
(John, 8 July 2009 11:15)
Thank you John for this very kind message. I'd like to ensure everyone else in here that Kosova is a democratic country and it's inviting everyone to integrate into its' institution, even serb minority who slaughtered their neighbors is being invited to integrate!, can anyone believe that?.
One more country to recognize and that'll be it.
Thank you Jordan, Allah bless you. For the sake of peace in the middle east I think for Izrael is better to wait for a while and then join the recognition team. I wonder who's going to be the 62nd country (most important till now) to recognize Kosova.
Thanks Jordan once again.
You may get a few more but with over 130 on Serbia's side that include powerful countries blocking independence forever it's game over.
Who said that these 130 countries are on Serbian side. Actually on contrary see the votes to join IMF and WB+Countries recognizing Kosova passport. Very few, or I should say handfull ate totally against it but the rest are undecided right now for different reasons. But I bet you, you will find out soon enough haw many are on Serbian side!
to zoran and co,
prishtina aeroport is,for its traffic before shkopje.So for a prison it has a traffic for more than a million and half/year...
The time when you could close the frontier is over,
Jeremic is so predictable! As soon as he says that we are preventing recognitions and declares success, we are bound to be recognized by another few countries, and then we have this discussion again.
Don't worry about Serbs though. They'll go on living as before, completely separate from Pristina. This is meaningless for them.
(Mike, 8 July 2009 13:10)
We don't worry about the meaningless 7% minority Serbs. We couldn't care less in fact. Let them live in their ghettos until they are wiped out and go extinct. They don't want to integrate? We are happy to forget they exist!
Oh good. Now Jordan can become a "real" country in Albanian historical memory, and its people can be recognized as those who consciously stand with the Albanian people, or whatever is said everytime some country decides to recognize.
Don't worry about Serbs though. They'll go on living as before, completely separate from Pristina. This is meaningless for them.
We have passage to Adriatic Sea with big sea port at our disposal
(Kosova-USA, 8 July 2009 13:05)
--
How nice, a prison with a view. I remember images of the great escape with ships full of Albanians heading towards Italy but they were sent back right?
Seriously, you guys should focus more on developing the province rather than worrying about meaningless recognitions. You may get a few more but with over 130 on Serbia's side that include powerful countries blocking independence forever it's game over. The reason this is going so slow is to delay the inevitable brick wall you'll be hitting soon enough.
Recognitions are a side show that change little. It would be far better for all of Serbia's citizens and leaders to focus on developing the country rather than lobbying nations to say a few meaningless words.
Progress starts when negotiations begin. I hope we can settle our differences and start building a proper future for all citizens.
I wonder how many countries would recognize Srpska entity. If it dared to declare unilateral independence maybe one or two at the most that would recognize it with a lot of soul searching. It would be on a receiving end of an unbelievable and overwhelming indignation from the world or worse.
Enjoy it while it lasts Kosovo. The real test will in October, after the Kosovo Revolution, when the Kosovo people will have to ask themselves: What do we do now? Where do we get work, money, food and energy from, because the current system doesn't work?
--
"Not enough countries accept your passport for you to consider being able to travel the world."
The odds of Betim wanting or having to go to South Africa are near nil, this is the Balkans you are talking about. 22 out of 27 EU countries recognize us, Greece, Romania and Slavekia recognize the passport, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, Australia etc do as well.
I predict that Albania will change the law on citizenship, very soon. We already have one unified "border" police and the economies will be 100% integrated.
its so much more interesting to see that american client like jordan waited this long than that they actually recognized the abomination. what does that tell you about our separatist albanians and nature of their failed project currently on american life support :)
BTW, Kosovo is your prison. Don't worry about Albania etc. unless you can get Albanian passport. I doubt you will be able to do that, so you will stay in Kosovo.
Not enough countries accept your passport for you to consider being able to travel the world.
'Which in itself is a fair comment on the importance of this issue to Jordan in particular & the world in general. '
I'd have to agree that recognizing a new country in the world is probably not a matter of urgent importance for most governments - look how many abstained even from voting on supporting Jeremic's ICJ proposal at the U.N.: 77 votes for, 6 against and 74 abstentions.
(I'm not sure how people get 130 countries strongly supporting Serbia's position out of this.)
Given the opportunity, most governments will do nothing rather than take what could be a risky action, no matter how important that action may be to two other states. Getting them to act is what takes diplomatic skill, which Kosovo is developing, one recognition at a time.
Just before get too excited - this is reality how EU sees teritory of Kosovo - and EU is more competent than most small islands or bribed spineless nations who did what masters asked to do:
"Under EU visa regulations, Kosovo will be placed in the category of territories that, for the EU’s purposes, have an undefined, unrecognized international legal status, such as Taiwan or northern Cyprus.
Under EU visa regulations, Kosovo will be placed in the category of territories that, for the EU’s purposes, have an undefined, unrecognized international legal status, such as Taiwan or northern Cyprus.
As for Israel... in your wildest dreams, hopefully, just after Russia and Cyprus.
(Ataman, 8 July 2009 16:23)
Ataman,
I have mentioned this in the past in one my responses to you.
Israeli recognition is the least of the worries at the present.
Have you noticed that no political actions towards that are taking place at the present?
I can assure that the reason is very simple.
Israeli recognition is assured.
It will come after the OIC country member votes are in the bag.
Israel recognising Kosovo today would be contra-productive.
When the time is right it will be done (long before Russia vote).
Finally managed to track down independent confirmation for pristina's claim.
Here it is: http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=18235&searchFor=Kosovo
Is a one-liner buried in the item "Dahabi underlines need to incorporate decentralisation in development" - about two thirds of the way down: "During the Cabinet session, chaired by Dahabi, the Cabinet also decided to recognise Kosovo’s independence."
Which in itself is a fair comment on the importance of this issue to Jordan in particular & the world in general.
Thank you Jordan, Allah bless you. For the sake of peace in the middle east I think for Izrael is better to wait for a while and then join the recognition team. I wonder who's going to be the 62nd country (most important till now) to recognize Kosova.
Thanks Jordan once again.
(Nelli_Canada, 8 July 2009 13:32)
Well, that's the point. Inshallah, we can live without Allah and his blessings. Feel free to take all of these failed countries, plus Iran, plus Pakistan, plus Bangladesh. They should be your best friends, birds of feather flock together.
Every single Arab country recognizing Kosovo is a joy for me.
As for Israel... in your wildest dreams, hopefully, just after Russia and Cyprus.
Wow! I thought Palestine just said they would not recognize! Jordan is basically Palestine. Mr. Tadic and the Serbian gov't is faceless. Taking "cute" pictures with the Palestinians and then they recognize Kosovo while Abbas is still in Serbia.
That is a grace! Palestinians really slapped Serbia in the face. Mr Tadic "should kick Mr. Abbas out of this country on a donkey!
Maybe Serbia is just plain oblivious to what is going on. Serbia has way too many things going on at once and is being pulled in 10 different directions. Serbia needs a leader that has some control.
I guess Serbia and Palestine/Jordan could not make a monetary deal over Kosovo?
"You ought to be joking. We have passage to Adriatic Sea with big sea port at our disposal, and you don't and you still call Kosova a big prison. heheheh"
Kosova-USA
Tell me how the sea has helped Kosovo or Albania prosper? Well, it hasn't! Serbia has been under sanctions and bombed back to the stoneage but still we are further ahead than Albanai will ever be. How come? Albania have had decades of freedom to build a stable country but what happend?
Anyway... jordanian leadership is a puppet of us. Because whoever is not, like Syria for example, they are portaryed on cnn as an evil dictator regime by american war mongers.
That is a grace! Palestinians really slapped Serbia in the face. Mr Tadic "should kick Mr. Abbas out of this country on a donkey!
(Gojko, 8 July 2009 15:16)
Absolutely. Please google on his biography. Holocaust-denial, ex-terrorist. The only place for him in Serbia would be a prison.
This recognition could not be at a better time: learn the Arab back-stabbing. Arab "friendship" is from 1001 night series, but not the "reality on ground".
I just told this story to my (almost-raped-by-Palestinians) wife and she was laughing her butt off. Congratulations, that was the most funny recognition so far.
I wish "Hashish" Thaci to have more Arab friends and recognitions, the more the better.
For the present time, the recognition from Jordan is the most important recognition. There is one Judge of Jordan at the International Court of Justice. Now even if the ICJ will bring a political decision, that will be in favour of Kosovo's indepenendece.
Thanks Jordan, thanks USA :
to Ataman. Dear commentator. you seem to be either from the comunism educated old guard or you might have picked all your information from the net,but just a little lesson for you. We Albanians do not & wan't not to feel free to take on board the countries you mention. infact it is your country Serbia that is best of friends with the most totalitarian countries in the world including Iran. good luck.Hvala in the mean time thankyou Jordan.Allahu Akbar.
what wave are you talking about. This is Jeremic invention? Do you belive on this?
(Olf, 8 July 2009 16:04)
I just laugh my butt of seeing an angry guy in fustanellä, an other angry guy wearing opanak looking at each other and arguing, who has a longer mustache - while Ali Baba and thirty Arab thieves clean their wallets.
Now they argue, which of thirty thieves is a honest person and which is not. Amazing. Some are even more amazing, arguing that all of the thirty thieves are nice people and calling their victims names.
It's easy to be on their side while in UK or Ireland...
I am surprised by Albanians posters who seem to believe that recognitions may solve every possible problem in their lives. I am even more surprised by Serbian posters who constantly downplay the importance of such recognitions. While some Albanians must be living in some dream world, some serbs must be feeling extremely threatened by those recognitions, otherwise, they would simply ignore them.
'We had not a single positive experience with these guys, which is pretty much unique.
(Ataman, 9 July 2009 19:20) '
My experience has been the opposite. When I was living in Prague I knew maybe more Arabs than Czechs (by chance - most were neighbors). We were all foreigners to the Czechs, all outsiders, so we had a lot in common, although I had it easier (no midnight checks of identity papers, for example). The guys I knew were homesick (they'd rather have stayed at home, if there had been work), hard-working, family-loving types. One thing I learned to admire was their generosity - Czechs despised beggars, but these guys were almost physically unable to refuse a request for help, even though they had little enough themselves. And if you did them a favor, they never forgot it, either. In my experience, wonderful people afflicted with horrible leaders.
What have you got against Arabs and Muslims in general? I think you are behaving irrationally here. I can detect a latent underlying racism in your posts towards Arabs and Muslims.
I have Palestinian friends both Muslim and Christian and believe me, they are not all 'bandits'.
Lenard: "I wonder how many countries would recognize Srpska entity. If it dared to declare unilateral independence"
That is the whole point Serbia missed the chance to "exchange" Kosovo for Srpska. After Dayton it had few precious year do keep repeating that it would give Kosovo the same right of self-determination that the international community alows for Srpska. Tah, combimed with an unilateral withdrow of all military forces from Kosovo (exept Mitrovica) would have prevented the war of 1999 and the recognition of any Kosovo's UDI. And of course the union with Montenegro might have been preserved!
What is doing your wife among Palestinians?
(Joe, 8 July 2009 21:56)
Well she might have been for example a student hostel resident.During Kádár system many palestinians and others from the so called "friendly"african and asian countries were "educated" in Hungary and put among regular collage and university students.In one of his recent comments Ataman gave a pretty good account of these arabs, although I do not agree with him that based on behavior and attitude of these people he should generalize.I am often in the middle east and must say that both muslims and jews are much better brought up and know the rules than those who are in Europe and do not stick to their real roots.
and yes, my next target is Israel -- wish us luck!
thank you.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 8 July 2009 17:04)
All I can help you on that is to give you a hint, where to buy the cheapest ticket. And wish you a lucky and good vacation.
Can't think about any other "target"... in particular, don't try to exercise your views on the streets of Tel Aviv to local Russians. They will tell you where to go - faster than you can say "faleminderit" or "KosovA", don't worry ;)
I am often in the middle east and must say that both muslims and jews are much better brought up and know the rules than those who are in Europe and do not stick to their real roots.
(szemi, 9 July 2009 00:19)
That is maybe true. Our experience with Arabs was their "expat" community in Hungary and Russia during 80-s. Who experiences it first-hand will usually become a fierce pro-Israeli, regardless of his background.
If you add to the picture, some of these "kind" people did deploy later their skills in Chechnya instead (as trained) in Ghaza... I have to say, training them was not just immoral but dumb, too.
In general, USA and USSR/Russia have tough time to learn the lession: don't deal with anyone who yells out "Allahu Akbar" loudly. Leave that case to mental doctors.
If you remember, a while ago that idiot Brezhnyev did state, that "Moslem religion is the most progressive religion because it's anti-imperialistic".
Indeed, medieval bigotry is also anti-capitalist, but that does not mean it is a good thing.
The basic wisdom is:
1) "the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend"
2) "the friend of my enemy is not necessarily my enemy"
3) "the friend of my friend is not necessarily my friend"
Everyone should look at these and think twice. If Adem Jashari is a terrorist, who did blow up Serbs and Shamil Basayev is a bandit who blew up children and civil airplanes - why would Palestinians who blew up Israelis be called "freedom fighters".
They are all bandits, terrorists and mafiosi: Adem Jashari, Hashish Thaci, Abbas, Arafat, Basayev. Who is dead hopefully is in some hot place, who is alive should be brought to the justice. And if some Russian or Israeli or American drone fires a missile and some of this gang go to a "hot & familiar" place: not optimal, not really legal - but I won't shed much tears and better them than us + good riddance.
I have Palestinian friends both Muslim and Christian and believe me, they are not all 'bandits'.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
So do I.And even more among lebanese and iranian people.I feel equally at home in Hezbollah controlled Haret Hreik area in Beirut and pubs along Falls road in Belfast.But I can understand Ataman despite the fact the I rarely agree with him on middle eastern issues(as opposed to our views regarding Kosovo).There were really many Arabs in Budapest spoilt by Interior ministry in 80s.They had only rights but no duties.The ruling system allowed them everything.You could buy hard currency or weapons from these guys because they were "officialy " allowed to be engaged in this business while hungarians were heavily punished for involvment in these activities.They felt as if they were the kings and could allow anything.Heavily misbehaved to say the least.So I understand people like Ataman who had mainly this experiance although I do not agreee fully with his generalization.
and yes, my next target is Israel -- wish us luck!
thank you.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 8 July 2009 17:04)
Roberto, who is us? Albanians?
(Peggy, 8 July 2009 23:13)
Nope, it's Roberto + his agenda + maybe some of his friends in the far north.
If he travels south 40 miles, there won't be many of "them", Santa Clara valley is not SF. Not just that we don't support Kosovo - but our restaurants are better and not tourist traps. All what we do miss is that bridge with the fog.
What have you got against Arabs and Muslims in general? I think you are behaving irrationally here.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
It's all explained and fairly rational. Please read the postings above yours and also of Szemi.
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I can detect a latent underlying racism in your posts towards Arabs and Muslims.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
We had not a single positive experience with these guys (Arabs), which is pretty much unique. If I would have any, I will change my mind. As for Moslems - I had some good supervisors and colleagues, these were Iranians. But they were not the "crazy" type.
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I have Palestinian friends both Muslim and Christian and believe me, they are not all 'bandits'.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
But the ones whom we did face in 80-s and the former classmate of my wife who tried rape her - they all are bandits. The local businessman I knew from USA (our customer, btw) was not a bandit but not a person I would favor to deal with. He is Orthodox - but that does not change much, same underlying substance.
We had not a single positive experience with these guys, which is pretty much unique.
What is doing your wife among Palestinians?
(Joe, 8 July 2009 21:56)
If you are honestly interested:
Nothing - just visiting the BME (Budapesti Müszaki Egyetem) university in Budapest. You did depart Hungary indeed a while ago or you never finished the university in Budapest. Otherwise you would not ask: the universities in Hungary were literally infested by Palestinian "students".
These "students" had a cover-up "job" as students. Their main job was to receive certain training as essentially "terrorist".
That was part of the "brotherly help" the Soviet camp gave to Palestinians to battle the "Zionists". The origin of this insanity can be traced back to Stalin and the so-called "doctors lawsuit". It's a long story and not worth to go in details here. In any case, all these unfortunate countries were obligated to "help" the Palestinians and train their militants.
The most common way was to accept them as students. They had usually very low scores - but professors were not allowed to fire them. There were numerous students from other countries, too. USSR, China (at begin), NKorea, VietNam, Cuba. What is interesting, all (except most Cubans) had very decent scores at average and even in the case of (North)VietNam or USSR the professors were allowed to fire the under-achievers. That, as said, was not the case with Palestinian, Lybian, Syrian students.
As for original story - a classmate of my wife proposed her to take her home in his car. (Because these poor Palestinian students did drive fancy cars, public busses were not good for them). It turned out to be a very remarkable drive and she was lucky at the end. You need to be really a low-life in order to try anything mean with your classmate.... And they had no problems because the victims could not rely on police either - they would be punished, not the Arab "guest".
This kind of experience wasn't unique, it was in big numbers and I have to say, my wife was pretty naive to accept that offer to begin with.
BTW, Kosovo is your prison. Don't worry about Albania etc. unless you can get Albanian passport. I doubt you will be able to do that, so you will stay in Kosovo.
Not enough countries accept your passport for you to consider being able to travel the world.
Enjoy it while it lasts Kosovo. The real test will in October, after the Kosovo Revolution, when the Kosovo people will have to ask themselves: What do we do now? Where do we get work, money, food and energy from, because the current system doesn't work?
--
We have passage to Adriatic Sea with big sea port at our disposal
(Kosova-USA, 8 July 2009 13:05)
--
How nice, a prison with a view. I remember images of the great escape with ships full of Albanians heading towards Italy but they were sent back right?
Seriously, you guys should focus more on developing the province rather than worrying about meaningless recognitions. You may get a few more but with over 130 on Serbia's side that include powerful countries blocking independence forever it's game over. The reason this is going so slow is to delay the inevitable brick wall you'll be hitting soon enough.
Recognitions are a side show that change little. It would be far better for all of Serbia's citizens and leaders to focus on developing the country rather than lobbying nations to say a few meaningless words.
Progress starts when negotiations begin. I hope we can settle our differences and start building a proper future for all citizens.
its so much more interesting to see that american client like jordan waited this long than that they actually recognized the abomination. what does that tell you about our separatist albanians and nature of their failed project currently on american life support :)
Just before get too excited - this is reality how EU sees teritory of Kosovo - and EU is more competent than most small islands or bribed spineless nations who did what masters asked to do:
"Under EU visa regulations, Kosovo will be placed in the category of territories that, for the EU’s purposes, have an undefined, unrecognized international legal status, such as Taiwan or northern Cyprus.
Under EU visa regulations, Kosovo will be placed in the category of territories that, for the EU’s purposes, have an undefined, unrecognized international legal status, such as Taiwan or northern Cyprus.
Thank you Jordan, Allah bless you. For the sake of peace in the middle east I think for Izrael is better to wait for a while and then join the recognition team. I wonder who's going to be the 62nd country (most important till now) to recognize Kosova.
Thanks Jordan once again.
(Nelli_Canada, 8 July 2009 13:32)
Well, that's the point. Inshallah, we can live without Allah and his blessings. Feel free to take all of these failed countries, plus Iran, plus Pakistan, plus Bangladesh. They should be your best friends, birds of feather flock together.
Every single Arab country recognizing Kosovo is a joy for me.
As for Israel... in your wildest dreams, hopefully, just after Russia and Cyprus.
Well said, and it goes for Kosovo too. Want stability and a prosperous Kosovo then start negotiating or keep living in the biggest prison on earth.
(MikeC, 8 July 2009 11:47)
You ought to be joking. We have passage to Adriatic Sea with big sea port at our disposal, and you don't and you still call Kosova a big prison. heheheh
That is a grace! Palestinians really slapped Serbia in the face. Mr Tadic "should kick Mr. Abbas out of this country on a donkey!
(Gojko, 8 July 2009 15:16)
Absolutely. Please google on his biography. Holocaust-denial, ex-terrorist. The only place for him in Serbia would be a prison.
This recognition could not be at a better time: learn the Arab back-stabbing. Arab "friendship" is from 1001 night series, but not the "reality on ground".
I just told this story to my (almost-raped-by-Palestinians) wife and she was laughing her butt off. Congratulations, that was the most funny recognition so far.
I wish "Hashish" Thaci to have more Arab friends and recognitions, the more the better.
Mr. Abass perhaps came to inform Tadic about Jordan recognizing Kosovo which btw contribute towards strengthening peace and stability in the Balkan region.
Don't worry about Serbs though. They'll go on living as before, completely separate from Pristina. This is meaningless for them.
(Mike, 8 July 2009 13:10)
We don't worry about the meaningless 7% minority Serbs. We couldn't care less in fact. Let them live in their ghettos until they are wiped out and go extinct. They don't want to integrate? We are happy to forget they exist!
Another key-player in the muslim world. Thanks Jordan! Wasn't your little Vuk bragging about just three days ago how he's managed to stop new recognitions! Well I implore him to make such declarations more often, they've become premontitions to the one-way road of recognition of Kosovo's independence!
"You ought to be joking. We have passage to Adriatic Sea with big sea port at our disposal, and you don't and you still call Kosova a big prison. heheheh"
Kosova-USA
Tell me how the sea has helped Kosovo or Albania prosper? Well, it hasn't! Serbia has been under sanctions and bombed back to the stoneage but still we are further ahead than Albanai will ever be. How come? Albania have had decades of freedom to build a stable country but what happend?
I knew something would happen, just like when FYROM and CG recognized us. Otherwise, Jordan and Saudis are their best friends and US with EU have the big pockets. All are on our side.
A good news for Kosovo. Slowly but surely Kosovo is taking its deserved place in the world stage. Congrats to our Kosovar friends!
(John, 8 July 2009 11:15)
Thank you John for this very kind message. I'd like to ensure everyone else in here that Kosova is a democratic country and it's inviting everyone to integrate into its' institution, even serb minority who slaughtered their neighbors is being invited to integrate!, can anyone believe that?.
One more country to recognize and that'll be it.
Thank you Jordan, Allah bless you. For the sake of peace in the middle east I think for Izrael is better to wait for a while and then join the recognition team. I wonder who's going to be the 62nd country (most important till now) to recognize Kosova.
Thanks Jordan once again.
I am not one to gloat but since they all count one I am finding it difficult to supress my satisfaction this morning, for yet another country has recognized.
Oh good. Now Jordan can become a "real" country in Albanian historical memory, and its people can be recognized as those who consciously stand with the Albanian people, or whatever is said everytime some country decides to recognize.
Don't worry about Serbs though. They'll go on living as before, completely separate from Pristina. This is meaningless for them.
Anyway... jordanian leadership is a puppet of us. Because whoever is not, like Syria for example, they are portaryed on cnn as an evil dictator regime by american war mongers.
what wave are you talking about. This is Jeremic invention? Do you belive on this?
(Olf, 8 July 2009 16:04)
I just laugh my butt of seeing an angry guy in fustanellä, an other angry guy wearing opanak looking at each other and arguing, who has a longer mustache - while Ali Baba and thirty Arab thieves clean their wallets.
Now they argue, which of thirty thieves is a honest person and which is not. Amazing. Some are even more amazing, arguing that all of the thirty thieves are nice people and calling their victims names.
It's easy to be on their side while in UK or Ireland...
Finally managed to track down independent confirmation for pristina's claim.
Here it is: http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=18235&searchFor=Kosovo
Is a one-liner buried in the item "Dahabi underlines need to incorporate decentralisation in development" - about two thirds of the way down: "During the Cabinet session, chaired by Dahabi, the Cabinet also decided to recognise Kosovo’s independence."
Which in itself is a fair comment on the importance of this issue to Jordan in particular & the world in general.
I wonder how many countries would recognize Srpska entity. If it dared to declare unilateral independence maybe one or two at the most that would recognize it with a lot of soul searching. It would be on a receiving end of an unbelievable and overwhelming indignation from the world or worse.
Wow! I thought Palestine just said they would not recognize! Jordan is basically Palestine. Mr. Tadic and the Serbian gov't is faceless. Taking "cute" pictures with the Palestinians and then they recognize Kosovo while Abbas is still in Serbia.
That is a grace! Palestinians really slapped Serbia in the face. Mr Tadic "should kick Mr. Abbas out of this country on a donkey!
Maybe Serbia is just plain oblivious to what is going on. Serbia has way too many things going on at once and is being pulled in 10 different directions. Serbia needs a leader that has some control.
I guess Serbia and Palestine/Jordan could not make a monetary deal over Kosovo?
Well, since according to Serbs countries recognizing Kosova are all US colonies the number of US colonies just augmented to 60 (61 - US). Not bad for a so-called "declining" country.
Also if recognitions are meaningless how do you explain Jeremic's statement that preventing further recognitions s/b the most important task of his ministery?
You may get a few more but with over 130 on Serbia's side that include powerful countries blocking independence forever it's game over.
Who said that these 130 countries are on Serbian side. Actually on contrary see the votes to join IMF and WB+Countries recognizing Kosova passport. Very few, or I should say handfull ate totally against it but the rest are undecided right now for different reasons. But I bet you, you will find out soon enough haw many are on Serbian side!
to zoran and co,
prishtina aeroport is,for its traffic before shkopje.So for a prison it has a traffic for more than a million and half/year...
The time when you could close the frontier is over,
Jeremic is so predictable! As soon as he says that we are preventing recognitions and declares success, we are bound to be recognized by another few countries, and then we have this discussion again.
"Not enough countries accept your passport for you to consider being able to travel the world."
The odds of Betim wanting or having to go to South Africa are near nil, this is the Balkans you are talking about. 22 out of 27 EU countries recognize us, Greece, Romania and Slavekia recognize the passport, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, Australia etc do as well.
I predict that Albania will change the law on citizenship, very soon. We already have one unified "border" police and the economies will be 100% integrated.
Lenard: "I wonder how many countries would recognize Srpska entity. If it dared to declare unilateral independence"
That is the whole point Serbia missed the chance to "exchange" Kosovo for Srpska. After Dayton it had few precious year do keep repeating that it would give Kosovo the same right of self-determination that the international community alows for Srpska. Tah, combimed with an unilateral withdrow of all military forces from Kosovo (exept Mitrovica) would have prevented the war of 1999 and the recognition of any Kosovo's UDI. And of course the union with Montenegro might have been preserved!
As for Israel... in your wildest dreams, hopefully, just after Russia and Cyprus.
(Ataman, 8 July 2009 16:23)
Ataman,
I have mentioned this in the past in one my responses to you.
Israeli recognition is the least of the worries at the present.
Have you noticed that no political actions towards that are taking place at the present?
I can assure that the reason is very simple.
Israeli recognition is assured.
It will come after the OIC country member votes are in the bag.
Israel recognising Kosovo today would be contra-productive.
When the time is right it will be done (long before Russia vote).
I am often in the middle east and must say that both muslims and jews are much better brought up and know the rules than those who are in Europe and do not stick to their real roots.
(szemi, 9 July 2009 00:19)
That is maybe true. Our experience with Arabs was their "expat" community in Hungary and Russia during 80-s. Who experiences it first-hand will usually become a fierce pro-Israeli, regardless of his background.
If you add to the picture, some of these "kind" people did deploy later their skills in Chechnya instead (as trained) in Ghaza... I have to say, training them was not just immoral but dumb, too.
In general, USA and USSR/Russia have tough time to learn the lession: don't deal with anyone who yells out "Allahu Akbar" loudly. Leave that case to mental doctors.
If you remember, a while ago that idiot Brezhnyev did state, that "Moslem religion is the most progressive religion because it's anti-imperialistic".
Indeed, medieval bigotry is also anti-capitalist, but that does not mean it is a good thing.
The basic wisdom is:
1) "the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend"
2) "the friend of my enemy is not necessarily my enemy"
3) "the friend of my friend is not necessarily my friend"
Everyone should look at these and think twice. If Adem Jashari is a terrorist, who did blow up Serbs and Shamil Basayev is a bandit who blew up children and civil airplanes - why would Palestinians who blew up Israelis be called "freedom fighters".
They are all bandits, terrorists and mafiosi: Adem Jashari, Hashish Thaci, Abbas, Arafat, Basayev. Who is dead hopefully is in some hot place, who is alive should be brought to the justice. And if some Russian or Israeli or American drone fires a missile and some of this gang go to a "hot & familiar" place: not optimal, not really legal - but I won't shed much tears and better them than us + good riddance.
'Which in itself is a fair comment on the importance of this issue to Jordan in particular & the world in general. '
I'd have to agree that recognizing a new country in the world is probably not a matter of urgent importance for most governments - look how many abstained even from voting on supporting Jeremic's ICJ proposal at the U.N.: 77 votes for, 6 against and 74 abstentions.
(I'm not sure how people get 130 countries strongly supporting Serbia's position out of this.)
Given the opportunity, most governments will do nothing rather than take what could be a risky action, no matter how important that action may be to two other states. Getting them to act is what takes diplomatic skill, which Kosovo is developing, one recognition at a time.
and yes, my next target is Israel -- wish us luck!
thank you.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 8 July 2009 17:04)
All I can help you on that is to give you a hint, where to buy the cheapest ticket. And wish you a lucky and good vacation.
Can't think about any other "target"... in particular, don't try to exercise your views on the streets of Tel Aviv to local Russians. They will tell you where to go - faster than you can say "faleminderit" or "KosovA", don't worry ;)
What have you got against Arabs and Muslims in general? I think you are behaving irrationally here.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
It's all explained and fairly rational. Please read the postings above yours and also of Szemi.
------------
I can detect a latent underlying racism in your posts towards Arabs and Muslims.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
We had not a single positive experience with these guys (Arabs), which is pretty much unique. If I would have any, I will change my mind. As for Moslems - I had some good supervisors and colleagues, these were Iranians. But they were not the "crazy" type.
------------
I have Palestinian friends both Muslim and Christian and believe me, they are not all 'bandits'.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
But the ones whom we did face in 80-s and the former classmate of my wife who tried rape her - they all are bandits. The local businessman I knew from USA (our customer, btw) was not a bandit but not a person I would favor to deal with. He is Orthodox - but that does not change much, same underlying substance.
We had not a single positive experience with these guys, which is pretty much unique.
What is doing your wife among Palestinians?
(Joe, 8 July 2009 21:56)
If you are honestly interested:
Nothing - just visiting the BME (Budapesti Müszaki Egyetem) university in Budapest. You did depart Hungary indeed a while ago or you never finished the university in Budapest. Otherwise you would not ask: the universities in Hungary were literally infested by Palestinian "students".
These "students" had a cover-up "job" as students. Their main job was to receive certain training as essentially "terrorist".
That was part of the "brotherly help" the Soviet camp gave to Palestinians to battle the "Zionists". The origin of this insanity can be traced back to Stalin and the so-called "doctors lawsuit". It's a long story and not worth to go in details here. In any case, all these unfortunate countries were obligated to "help" the Palestinians and train their militants.
The most common way was to accept them as students. They had usually very low scores - but professors were not allowed to fire them. There were numerous students from other countries, too. USSR, China (at begin), NKorea, VietNam, Cuba. What is interesting, all (except most Cubans) had very decent scores at average and even in the case of (North)VietNam or USSR the professors were allowed to fire the under-achievers. That, as said, was not the case with Palestinian, Lybian, Syrian students.
As for original story - a classmate of my wife proposed her to take her home in his car. (Because these poor Palestinian students did drive fancy cars, public busses were not good for them). It turned out to be a very remarkable drive and she was lucky at the end. You need to be really a low-life in order to try anything mean with your classmate.... And they had no problems because the victims could not rely on police either - they would be punished, not the Arab "guest".
This kind of experience wasn't unique, it was in big numbers and I have to say, my wife was pretty naive to accept that offer to begin with.
I have Palestinian friends both Muslim and Christian and believe me, they are not all 'bandits'.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 July 2009 18:03)
So do I.And even more among lebanese and iranian people.I feel equally at home in Hezbollah controlled Haret Hreik area in Beirut and pubs along Falls road in Belfast.But I can understand Ataman despite the fact the I rarely agree with him on middle eastern issues(as opposed to our views regarding Kosovo).There were really many Arabs in Budapest spoilt by Interior ministry in 80s.They had only rights but no duties.The ruling system allowed them everything.You could buy hard currency or weapons from these guys because they were "officialy " allowed to be engaged in this business while hungarians were heavily punished for involvment in these activities.They felt as if they were the kings and could allow anything.Heavily misbehaved to say the least.So I understand people like Ataman who had mainly this experiance although I do not agreee fully with his generalization.
For the present time, the recognition from Jordan is the most important recognition. There is one Judge of Jordan at the International Court of Justice. Now even if the ICJ will bring a political decision, that will be in favour of Kosovo's indepenendece.
Thanks Jordan, thanks USA :
I am surprised by Albanians posters who seem to believe that recognitions may solve every possible problem in their lives. I am even more surprised by Serbian posters who constantly downplay the importance of such recognitions. While some Albanians must be living in some dream world, some serbs must be feeling extremely threatened by those recognitions, otherwise, they would simply ignore them.
and yes, my next target is Israel -- wish us luck!
thank you.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 8 July 2009 17:04)
Roberto, who is us? Albanians?
(Peggy, 8 July 2009 23:13)
Nope, it's Roberto + his agenda + maybe some of his friends in the far north.
If he travels south 40 miles, there won't be many of "them", Santa Clara valley is not SF. Not just that we don't support Kosovo - but our restaurants are better and not tourist traps. All what we do miss is that bridge with the fog.
to Ataman. Dear commentator. you seem to be either from the comunism educated old guard or you might have picked all your information from the net,but just a little lesson for you. We Albanians do not & wan't not to feel free to take on board the countries you mention. infact it is your country Serbia that is best of friends with the most totalitarian countries in the world including Iran. good luck.Hvala in the mean time thankyou Jordan.Allahu Akbar.
What have you got against Arabs and Muslims in general? I think you are behaving irrationally here. I can detect a latent underlying racism in your posts towards Arabs and Muslims.
I have Palestinian friends both Muslim and Christian and believe me, they are not all 'bandits'.
What is doing your wife among Palestinians?
(Joe, 8 July 2009 21:56)
Well she might have been for example a student hostel resident.During Kádár system many palestinians and others from the so called "friendly"african and asian countries were "educated" in Hungary and put among regular collage and university students.In one of his recent comments Ataman gave a pretty good account of these arabs, although I do not agree with him that based on behavior and attitude of these people he should generalize.I am often in the middle east and must say that both muslims and jews are much better brought up and know the rules than those who are in Europe and do not stick to their real roots.
'We had not a single positive experience with these guys, which is pretty much unique.
(Ataman, 9 July 2009 19:20) '
My experience has been the opposite. When I was living in Prague I knew maybe more Arabs than Czechs (by chance - most were neighbors). We were all foreigners to the Czechs, all outsiders, so we had a lot in common, although I had it easier (no midnight checks of identity papers, for example). The guys I knew were homesick (they'd rather have stayed at home, if there had been work), hard-working, family-loving types. One thing I learned to admire was their generosity - Czechs despised beggars, but these guys were almost physically unable to refuse a request for help, even though they had little enough themselves. And if you did them a favor, they never forgot it, either. In my experience, wonderful people afflicted with horrible leaders.
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