Tadić, Abbas on Kosovo, Middle East

He is also expected to confer with Prime Minister Mirko Cvetković and Parliamentary Speaker Slavica Đukić-Dejanović, according to the Palestinian embassy in Belgrade.

I must say that when I reached this last paragraph, I just fell off my chair laughing.
If Palestinians have an Embassy in Belgrade, that means Serbia has an Embassy in Gaza or West bank?
OPS, I got it all mixed up with Tel Aviv, sorry.

The Saudis "own" Pali thanks to multi-billion donations. Another desperate attempt by Serbia to show that they are relevant and important
(Alban, 7 July 2009 15:04)

Unlike your Disneyland freak show, President Mahmoud Abbas is the President of a country that has a greater moral argument than 'Kosova'. and btw, the Saudis don't own Palestine. The Palestinians be they Muslims or Christians own Palestine despite numerous attempts by the Israeli state to destroy it.

Welcome to Serbia Mr President.

The Saudis "own" Pali thanks to multi-billion donations. Another desperate attempt by Serbia to show that they are relevant and important

It's interesting to note that both Palestine and Isreal support Serbia's position on Kosovo. Also, both Serbia and Albania are two (of over half) UN member states that have recognised the Palestinian state.

It should be clear that in the case of Palestine and Kosovo only a negotiated settlement can bring lasting peace.

"Abbas is coming with the idea that Palestine has done a lot for Serbia in outlining the Kosovo question to Islamic and Arab countries."

So Abbas is helping push Serbia's agenda against Kosovo in the Islamic world? Very strange world we live in! What can Palestine possibly expect from Serbia? Nothing comes to mind right now. Help!

“I am counting on you, Mr. President, to continue supporting efforts to reach a solution in the Middle East through talks with Israel, that will enable Israel and Palestine to live side-by-side and cooperate as neighbors,” he said"

So, something like Serbia and Kosova living "side-by-side as neighbours"?

Or was Abbas perhaps asking Tadic to lead a new diplomatic round in the middle east proposing a new "solution" along the lines that Kosovo should have "more than autonomy, less than independence"?

I love it that some people based in Belgrade can talk simultaneously out of both sides of the mouths. On one side Kosovo is the Jerusalem of Serbia, on the other side "Kosovo is not a religious, put a purely political question, " and "Palestine and Serbia base their stances on compliance with UN resolutions and international law."

I think this is very odd.

First because the wars in Yugoslavia were under the religious name to gain western support, but now Tadic says that Kosovo is a political question rather than e religious one.

I see this as a great success but on the other hand its kind of odd Serbia strengthening its relations with some odd countries, in this case not even a country yet.

The reason? It's simple, pay any price to stop recognitions.

Who is there now?
Algeria, Lybia, Palestinian Authority...

I think that this government can do much more for its people if it didn't put to much effort to a ended case.

Actualy what Abbas said is completely ambiguous, asis fitting for a diploatic visit,and this is probably overblown. I doubt the story about Palestine doing Serbia's propaganda work in the mideast.

But in any case, by the way Niall, Abbas may not be the Saudis' Pali, but he may better be called Mubarak's Palestinian. A few months ago, as Israel was smashing the Gazans to bits, Abbas raised his brave head to demand ... that Mubarak *maintain* his closure of the Gaza border, because of how much Abbas hates his rivals in Gaza, who happen to be the legally democratically elected government of Palestine.

Oh, seems that the visit of Abbas has been about Jordan recognizing Kosovo:)

In any case, someone here pointed out that neither Israel or Palestine support the Albanians' position with regards to Kosovo.

So rather than get sarcastic about Abbas and Serbia, as an Albanian, I'd suggest for us to simply follow our own national interests, meaning ignore Palestine and strengthen our relations with Israel.

In my view, dealing with Israel can prove to be quite beneficial in areas of agriculture, business, real estate, education, and even military. These guys pretty much excel at all of the above.

Palestine on the other hand, has nothing to offer us...and should be treated accordingly.

“I am counting on you, Mr. President, to continue supporting efforts to reach a solution in the Middle East through talks with Israel, that will enable Israel and Palestine to live side-by-side and cooperate as neighbors,”

Serbia the superpower will make it happen! Next, North Korea's Kim Jong Il is coming to Serbia, 100% from them too.

"Palestine" is in US and Saudi hands, not serbia's.

Looks like as Abbas finish his speech in "support" of Serbia, Jordan recognizes Kosovo.
Is it a surprise?!!
Poor guy. Don't know that the path to Palestinian state goes through US and not Serbia which by the way has recognize Palestine anyways. Nice diplomacy(!)

The Palestinians be they Muslims or Christians own Palestine despite numerous attempts by the Israeli state to destroy it.

Welcome to Serbia Mr President.
(Niall O'Doherty, 7 July 2009 16:50)

The first "approach" you wrote did "generate" from me a response where I sent you ( + the rest of Arab world) to a "doghouse". B92 edited your response retrospectively - and mine was left out, probably because it would be "politically incorrect", in particular because of this visit.

I am a mean person, so if you upload me some virtual Vinjak or Skanderbeu... you can crawl out from that virtual doghouse (like Roberto does: once in a while we exchange friendly e-mails in secret, just the rest of Albanian and Serbian gang does not know that).

But unlike you or Roberto where much can be settled in cafe, a good part of Arab world for me is in the "doghouse" permanently. Unless they change some basic approach... as it is in the Bible: "don't kill!"

I would put blame (maybe the lion share of it) on Saudis. They are the ones who spread their wahabbite insanity worldwide. They have it very easy in Palestine: the wahabbite "madrasa" does pretend to be a school and poor children are brain-washed into what is essentially a mad sect. Look at Novi Pazar or at attack on school in Beslan by Chechen bandits - enough said.

BTW:

Unlike any of you, we had "real life" experience with "real life" Arab terrorists. These geniuses were sent in 60-s, 70-s and 80-s as "students" to all over Socialist countries and also China. And we learned first-hand, what kind of people our classmates were. That was probably the worst idea - because who had that experience and grew up along them became their hardest opponent later.

My wife on one occasion was almost raped by one of these. That's a tad bigger sin than if I complain, Slovaks are unfriendly if we speak Hungarian or Albanians in Kosovo if we speak Russian to them. The later cases can be described as narrow-mind, the first is just straight a criminal.

In my view, dealing with Israel can prove to be quite beneficial in areas of agriculture, business, real estate, education, and even military. These guys pretty much excel at all of the above.

Palestine on the other hand, has nothing to offer us...and should be treated accordingly.
(Ment, 7 July 2009 20:38)

I'm sure that Pristina and Tel Aviv have many areas in common. Ethnic cleansing of native population, destruction of religious sites and ongoing harrassment and discrimination of ethnic minorities. No wonder many Serbs find common ground with the Palestinian struggle.

Poor guy. Don't know that the path to Palestinian state goes through US and not Serbia which by the way has recognize Palestine anyways. Nice diplomacy(!)
(Maks, 7 July 2009 22:31)

Why do you think he is there?
If Palestine already has support of who they need what is he doing wasting his time with Tadic? Could it be that he actually believes in the same thing as Serbia?

My God, I have never seen more sour grapes than now. You are all attacking Palestine and as you always belittle anyone who doesn't town the line with you, you haven't disappointed here either.

When something is so wrong and disgusting like attempt to take our kosovo and make it 'independent' even israel and palestinians agree against it. see how wrong it must be when even they have the same position :)
Now. we all hear so much anti-arab things in the media so now after the propaganda i'm amazed how most arabs have behaved when it comes to kosovo, shows backbone and principle and i applaud them. at the same time i'm a proud serb and a proud friend of israel. in ww2 palestinian muftis helped out bosnian muslim handzar division who worked with nazis and slaughtered serbs or took them to jasenovac concentration camp. there in jasenovac who was there to be executed side by side? of course jews. i wish our bond as nations was different somthing good for us both, but it was murder by our enemies and enemies of civilization, nazi germans and their slaves everywhere.
but that's got nothing to do with ordinary palestinians who live and suffer today. they deserve peace and security and proseperity. and as soon as they stop spawning terrorists who go and kill israeli kids in icecream parlours i'm sure and i'm convinced they'll get it.

Niall,

I suppose James Rubin, George Soros, Madelene Allbright and the rest on Capitol Hill loved Serbia. (Niall O'Doherty, 8 July 2009 17:14)


I complitly agree with you.And let us not forget who owns the media and PR companies which demonized serbs and create false image about others with deep christian roots(poles,greek,russians,irish etc.).This lobby supported islamoimperialism in the Balkans while at the same time deny middle east muslims any kind of justified self defense.What hypocrisy.However let us be fair and not forget that many jews themselves are very critical of Us Israeli lobby and their actions.
FREE PALESTINE NOW! Well I will never forget that mural not far from Divis Tower on Falls Road next to Blanketman mural.I was last September In Belfast and on my way to Celtic bar where I watched ALL IRELAND with my friends I saw that actually there is a new painting.And Finally 6 Counties back and God bless irish people.

In what lala-land are living you? Serbs are mostly and firmly on Israeli side. How fast can you say the words "wahabbite" and "Novi Pazar"?

To the hell with Abbas and the rest of that criminal gang. Serbia should be more consistent and distance from all of them.
(Ataman, 8 July 2009 13:08)

wake up and smell the coffee. I suppose James Rubin, George Soros, Madelene Allbright and the rest on Capitol Hill loved Serbia.

Give me a break.

Have I hit a sensitive spot Ataman?

FREE PALESTINE NOW!

I think that this government can do much more for its people if it didn't put to much effort to a ended case.

(alproud, 7 July 2009 20:07)

The case is not "ended" - but they (Serbian government) should be less obsessive to get support of ALL POSSIBLE countries or territories.

There will be always some who are not worth to pursue but showing more spine is a good thing.

Example#1: Israel versus Palestinians. Given the traditionally good Serbian-Israeli ties, given Israel's importance in the trade and not insignificant YU diaspora there, it's just prudent to chose the RIGHT side, in particular that this is one of the ways to get a better support of Jewish lobby in an other, perhaps most significant country to "gain" (we know which one!)

Example#2: Why the heck play around with FYRO-mania. FYROM is what it is: an artificial creation based on politics. The "fyro-maniac" Aleksandar Makedonski is more pathetic than Daco-Roman or Albo-Illyrian theories. Show them the middle finger, get closer to Greece and try to "turn" the most important country in the region (strategic position for possible Russian transit): Bulgaria. It helps a lot that Bulgaria and FYRO-mania have very bad relationship. And Greece is a very important ally.

Example#3: Courting that corrupt Palestinian "government" and Israel at the same time is crazy, but most countries - including Russia - have decent semi-official relation with Taiwan, however, failing short to recognize it.

Serbia (as well as BiH and CG) maintain the hardest and most crazy stance towards Taiwan, much worse than Mainland China itself. Wake up, Chang Kai Shek is dead, there are direct flights between China and Taiwan. Maintaining semi-formal relationship or even a bit more - while falling just a tiny bit short of recognition is a good thing but coordinate the steps with Beijing.

Because while both being a "quasi-country" at least on the paper, Taiwan has a bit more political and economic weight than Palestine.

Besides, innocent people are not being blown up because of Taiwanese missiles and Taiwanese are not habitual terrorists, thieves and con-men.

You are all attacking Palestine and as you always belittle anyone who doesn't town the line with you, you haven't disappointed here either.
(Peggy, 8 July 2009 03:00)

And guess what... this time they are right.

You are all attacking Palestine and as you always belittle anyone who doesn't town the line with you, you haven't disappointed here either.
(Peggy, 8 July 2009 03:00)

And guess what... this time they are right.
(Ataman, 8 July 2009 13:12)

In your opinion not mine and many other people.

Have you bothered to actually read up on what is going on there? I mean from independent journalists like John Pilger not something written in mainstream western media.

Don't get me wrong here. Israel has every right to exist but they have to learn to compromise a little too.

No wonder many Serbs find common ground with the Palestinian struggle.
(Niall O'Doherty, 8 July 2009 10:42)

In what lala-land are living you? Serbs are mostly and firmly on Israeli side. How fast can you say the words "wahabbite" and "Novi Pazar"?

To the hell with Abbas and the rest of that criminal gang. Serbia should be more consistent and distance from all of them.

Palestine should have "less than independence and more than autonomy"

Don't get me wrong here. Israel has every right to exist but they have to learn to compromise a little too.
(Peggy, 8 July 2009 14:20)

My wife made a good compromise, too. She yelled loudly for help and she wasn't raped. And thanks to that Palesinian Hero being undecided for a moment - she still exists.

This probably did not happen to you, neither had you classmates who were "students" in your college as a cover-up job only, the real one being "terrorist - in - training".

That was all over the area. The only country I am not sure about is Albania, but probably they suffered from the same plague, too. I positively know, China or Mongolia did.

And of course if you happened to be raped - you had to shut up otherwise the police would punish you for being unfriendly with "our Palestinian friends".

Some people were even killed - and murders never punished.

Even more - did you ever heard about MALÉV flight #240?

And it had to covered up - to prevent the outrage in the country.

Other: do you know, who did "own" the black market money exchange in Hungary? Arabs. People used their "service" as a necessity, but we would like all of them deported back where they came from. No visas, no residence permits, no citizenship!

Ataman, what on earth are you talking about? Why are you talking about rape and going off topic?

I said that Israel has a right to exist but they have to learn to compromise a little too and you go off on some rape story and liken Albanian cause to it somehow.

Can you just be direct for once and don't go into some what if or speak of things off topic.

I normally agree with your posts but lately you have been going off in different directions and throwing all sorts of information out there which really don't address the topic but only serve to muddy the waters.

“Kosovo is not a religious, put a purely political question, that is being considered by the International Court of Justice,” Tadić said.”
This is really interesting. It’s kind of strange to send a “purely political question” to be considered by the court.
How come then declaration of Independence has violated International laws if the issue was purely of political nature??!!!
With this kind of statement, in my opinion, Serbia leaders are somehow preparing their citizens for the ICJ ruling; not that Serbia’s citizens don’t know already, but maybe more to save their (politicians) face in front of their people.

Tadic said that there could only be long-term stabilization in the Middle East through a negotiated agreement for all interested sides, adding that the same applied to Kosovo.

So Mr.Tadic practice what you preach then.Withdraw the Serbian recognition of Palestine's UDI and let there be long-term stabilization in the Middle East through a negotiated agreement.

Niall

I noticed that B92 had edited your comment...my response to you was cut in half. I guess that was for the better after all.

As far as Israel goes, yes it has committed many sins...It has also had to fight with a movement (Hamas) whose aim was and still is the annihilation, a movement that only accepts ceasefires that last long enough for it to re-stock with weapons, nevermind the casualties and destruction such actions cause.

As for Kosovo, I doubt even the most hardline KLA fighters were aiming for the "destruction" of Serbia. They only resorted to fighting once they saw the West treating with Milosevic as a peacemaker instead of the scumbag that he really was. It was the realization that the West would turn a blind eye to the repression of Albanians in Kosovo that triggered the fighting.

As far as present ethnic relations between Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo, any rational person does realize that many nationalist Serbs, instigated by Belgrade, are as guilty as many nationalist Albanians in failing to improve such relations.

In other words, there are no real parallels between Pristina and Israel.

As a side note, I find it funny that you often act more Serbian than the Serbs.

"Welcome to Belgrade Mr. President?"...That's like a guest welcoming another guest in their host's house.

(Ataman, 8 July 2009 00:24)

I think you are off topic.

You talk about rape, missiles and Taiwan while with case I meant Kosovos independence.

You give examples to prove your argument which doesn't even have to do with the topic.

My phrase that this government can do more for its own people if it didn't put too much effort on a ended case was referring to the Serb government who would achieve much more if it put its efforts on EU integration or trade agreements with other countries. Instead its putting the efforts to stop the flow of recognitions of Kosovo republic.

Kosovo's integration into IMF, WTO, its recognition by 61 countries already and some of the most powerful ones its a clear message that recognition can't be turned around.

I personally believe that the lawmakers in Belgrade have already understood it too. This is shown through steps such as the acceptance of white shengen while Kosovo is not considered as Serbia's part or other efforts that bring Belgrade and Brussels closer.

Relating to Palestine and Israel conflict, I simply don't have much simpathy for Palestinians, I think that they deserve to have their own country, but Israel shouldn't even be considered to not exist. Israel, was is and will always be. But what I doubt is Serbia's or any other Balkan states to shape the developments in the Middle East. We Balkans, are not well-known for doing our homework, forget about doing others homework.

Cheers,

The Saudis "own" Pali thanks to multi-billion donations. Another desperate attempt by Serbia to show that they are relevant and important

The Saudis "own" Pali thanks to multi-billion donations. Another desperate attempt by Serbia to show that they are relevant and important
(Alban, 7 July 2009 15:04)

Unlike your Disneyland freak show, President Mahmoud Abbas is the President of a country that has a greater moral argument than 'Kosova'. and btw, the Saudis don't own Palestine. The Palestinians be they Muslims or Christians own Palestine despite numerous attempts by the Israeli state to destroy it.

Welcome to Serbia Mr President.

He is also expected to confer with Prime Minister Mirko Cvetković and Parliamentary Speaker Slavica Đukić-Dejanović, according to the Palestinian embassy in Belgrade.

I must say that when I reached this last paragraph, I just fell off my chair laughing.
If Palestinians have an Embassy in Belgrade, that means Serbia has an Embassy in Gaza or West bank?
OPS, I got it all mixed up with Tel Aviv, sorry.

“I am counting on you, Mr. President, to continue supporting efforts to reach a solution in the Middle East through talks with Israel, that will enable Israel and Palestine to live side-by-side and cooperate as neighbors,”

Serbia the superpower will make it happen! Next, North Korea's Kim Jong Il is coming to Serbia, 100% from them too.

"Palestine" is in US and Saudi hands, not serbia's.

"Abbas is coming with the idea that Palestine has done a lot for Serbia in outlining the Kosovo question to Islamic and Arab countries."

So Abbas is helping push Serbia's agenda against Kosovo in the Islamic world? Very strange world we live in! What can Palestine possibly expect from Serbia? Nothing comes to mind right now. Help!

It's interesting to note that both Palestine and Isreal support Serbia's position on Kosovo. Also, both Serbia and Albania are two (of over half) UN member states that have recognised the Palestinian state.

It should be clear that in the case of Palestine and Kosovo only a negotiated settlement can bring lasting peace.

In any case, someone here pointed out that neither Israel or Palestine support the Albanians' position with regards to Kosovo.

So rather than get sarcastic about Abbas and Serbia, as an Albanian, I'd suggest for us to simply follow our own national interests, meaning ignore Palestine and strengthen our relations with Israel.

In my view, dealing with Israel can prove to be quite beneficial in areas of agriculture, business, real estate, education, and even military. These guys pretty much excel at all of the above.

Palestine on the other hand, has nothing to offer us...and should be treated accordingly.

“I am counting on you, Mr. President, to continue supporting efforts to reach a solution in the Middle East through talks with Israel, that will enable Israel and Palestine to live side-by-side and cooperate as neighbors,” he said"

So, something like Serbia and Kosova living "side-by-side as neighbours"?

Or was Abbas perhaps asking Tadic to lead a new diplomatic round in the middle east proposing a new "solution" along the lines that Kosovo should have "more than autonomy, less than independence"?

In my view, dealing with Israel can prove to be quite beneficial in areas of agriculture, business, real estate, education, and even military. These guys pretty much excel at all of the above.

Palestine on the other hand, has nothing to offer us...and should be treated accordingly.
(Ment, 7 July 2009 20:38)

I'm sure that Pristina and Tel Aviv have many areas in common. Ethnic cleansing of native population, destruction of religious sites and ongoing harrassment and discrimination of ethnic minorities. No wonder many Serbs find common ground with the Palestinian struggle.

I think this is very odd.

First because the wars in Yugoslavia were under the religious name to gain western support, but now Tadic says that Kosovo is a political question rather than e religious one.

I see this as a great success but on the other hand its kind of odd Serbia strengthening its relations with some odd countries, in this case not even a country yet.

The reason? It's simple, pay any price to stop recognitions.

Who is there now?
Algeria, Lybia, Palestinian Authority...

I think that this government can do much more for its people if it didn't put to much effort to a ended case.

Tadic said that there could only be long-term stabilization in the Middle East through a negotiated agreement for all interested sides, adding that the same applied to Kosovo.

So Mr.Tadic practice what you preach then.Withdraw the Serbian recognition of Palestine's UDI and let there be long-term stabilization in the Middle East through a negotiated agreement.

I love it that some people based in Belgrade can talk simultaneously out of both sides of the mouths. On one side Kosovo is the Jerusalem of Serbia, on the other side "Kosovo is not a religious, put a purely political question, " and "Palestine and Serbia base their stances on compliance with UN resolutions and international law."

“Kosovo is not a religious, put a purely political question, that is being considered by the International Court of Justice,” Tadić said.”
This is really interesting. It’s kind of strange to send a “purely political question” to be considered by the court.
How come then declaration of Independence has violated International laws if the issue was purely of political nature??!!!
With this kind of statement, in my opinion, Serbia leaders are somehow preparing their citizens for the ICJ ruling; not that Serbia’s citizens don’t know already, but maybe more to save their (politicians) face in front of their people.

Actualy what Abbas said is completely ambiguous, asis fitting for a diploatic visit,and this is probably overblown. I doubt the story about Palestine doing Serbia's propaganda work in the mideast.

But in any case, by the way Niall, Abbas may not be the Saudis' Pali, but he may better be called Mubarak's Palestinian. A few months ago, as Israel was smashing the Gazans to bits, Abbas raised his brave head to demand ... that Mubarak *maintain* his closure of the Gaza border, because of how much Abbas hates his rivals in Gaza, who happen to be the legally democratically elected government of Palestine.

Oh, seems that the visit of Abbas has been about Jordan recognizing Kosovo:)

Looks like as Abbas finish his speech in "support" of Serbia, Jordan recognizes Kosovo.
Is it a surprise?!!
Poor guy. Don't know that the path to Palestinian state goes through US and not Serbia which by the way has recognize Palestine anyways. Nice diplomacy(!)

Niall

I noticed that B92 had edited your comment...my response to you was cut in half. I guess that was for the better after all.

As far as Israel goes, yes it has committed many sins...It has also had to fight with a movement (Hamas) whose aim was and still is the annihilation, a movement that only accepts ceasefires that last long enough for it to re-stock with weapons, nevermind the casualties and destruction such actions cause.

As for Kosovo, I doubt even the most hardline KLA fighters were aiming for the "destruction" of Serbia. They only resorted to fighting once they saw the West treating with Milosevic as a peacemaker instead of the scumbag that he really was. It was the realization that the West would turn a blind eye to the repression of Albanians in Kosovo that triggered the fighting.

As far as present ethnic relations between Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo, any rational person does realize that many nationalist Serbs, instigated by Belgrade, are as guilty as many nationalist Albanians in failing to improve such relations.

In other words, there are no real parallels between Pristina and Israel.

As a side note, I find it funny that you often act more Serbian than the Serbs.

"Welcome to Belgrade Mr. President?"...That's like a guest welcoming another guest in their host's house.

(Ataman, 8 July 2009 00:24)

I think you are off topic.

You talk about rape, missiles and Taiwan while with case I meant Kosovos independence.

You give examples to prove your argument which doesn't even have to do with the topic.

My phrase that this government can do more for its own people if it didn't put too much effort on a ended case was referring to the Serb government who would achieve much more if it put its efforts on EU integration or trade agreements with other countries. Instead its putting the efforts to stop the flow of recognitions of Kosovo republic.

Kosovo's integration into IMF, WTO, its recognition by 61 countries already and some of the most powerful ones its a clear message that recognition can't be turned around.

I personally believe that the lawmakers in Belgrade have already understood it too. This is shown through steps such as the acceptance of white shengen while Kosovo is not considered as Serbia's part or other efforts that bring Belgrade and Brussels closer.

Relating to Palestine and Israel conflict, I simply don't have much simpathy for Palestinians, I think that they deserve to have their own country, but Israel shouldn't even be considered to not exist. Israel, was is and will always be. But what I doubt is Serbia's or any other Balkan states to shape the developments in the Middle East. We Balkans, are not well-known for doing our homework, forget about doing others homework.

Cheers,

I think that this government can do much more for its people if it didn't put to much effort to a ended case.

(alproud, 7 July 2009 20:07)

The case is not "ended" - but they (Serbian government) should be less obsessive to get support of ALL POSSIBLE countries or territories.

There will be always some who are not worth to pursue but showing more spine is a good thing.

Example#1: Israel versus Palestinians. Given the traditionally good Serbian-Israeli ties, given Israel's importance in the trade and not insignificant YU diaspora there, it's just prudent to chose the RIGHT side, in particular that this is one of the ways to get a better support of Jewish lobby in an other, perhaps most significant country to "gain" (we know which one!)

Example#2: Why the heck play around with FYRO-mania. FYROM is what it is: an artificial creation based on politics. The "fyro-maniac" Aleksandar Makedonski is more pathetic than Daco-Roman or Albo-Illyrian theories. Show them the middle finger, get closer to Greece and try to "turn" the most important country in the region (strategic position for possible Russian transit): Bulgaria. It helps a lot that Bulgaria and FYRO-mania have very bad relationship. And Greece is a very important ally.

Example#3: Courting that corrupt Palestinian "government" and Israel at the same time is crazy, but most countries - including Russia - have decent semi-official relation with Taiwan, however, failing short to recognize it.

Serbia (as well as BiH and CG) maintain the hardest and most crazy stance towards Taiwan, much worse than Mainland China itself. Wake up, Chang Kai Shek is dead, there are direct flights between China and Taiwan. Maintaining semi-formal relationship or even a bit more - while falling just a tiny bit short of recognition is a good thing but coordinate the steps with Beijing.

Because while both being a "quasi-country" at least on the paper, Taiwan has a bit more political and economic weight than Palestine.

Besides, innocent people are not being blown up because of Taiwanese missiles and Taiwanese are not habitual terrorists, thieves and con-men.

No wonder many Serbs find common ground with the Palestinian struggle.
(Niall O'Doherty, 8 July 2009 10:42)

In what lala-land are living you? Serbs are mostly and firmly on Israeli side. How fast can you say the words "wahabbite" and "Novi Pazar"?

To the hell with Abbas and the rest of that criminal gang. Serbia should be more consistent and distance from all of them.

Poor guy. Don't know that the path to Palestinian state goes through US and not Serbia which by the way has recognize Palestine anyways. Nice diplomacy(!)
(Maks, 7 July 2009 22:31)

Why do you think he is there?
If Palestine already has support of who they need what is he doing wasting his time with Tadic? Could it be that he actually believes in the same thing as Serbia?

My God, I have never seen more sour grapes than now. You are all attacking Palestine and as you always belittle anyone who doesn't town the line with you, you haven't disappointed here either.

Palestine should have "less than independence and more than autonomy"

You are all attacking Palestine and as you always belittle anyone who doesn't town the line with you, you haven't disappointed here either.
(Peggy, 8 July 2009 03:00)

And guess what... this time they are right.

Don't get me wrong here. Israel has every right to exist but they have to learn to compromise a little too.
(Peggy, 8 July 2009 14:20)

My wife made a good compromise, too. She yelled loudly for help and she wasn't raped. And thanks to that Palesinian Hero being undecided for a moment - she still exists.

This probably did not happen to you, neither had you classmates who were "students" in your college as a cover-up job only, the real one being "terrorist - in - training".

That was all over the area. The only country I am not sure about is Albania, but probably they suffered from the same plague, too. I positively know, China or Mongolia did.

And of course if you happened to be raped - you had to shut up otherwise the police would punish you for being unfriendly with "our Palestinian friends".

Some people were even killed - and murders never punished.

Even more - did you ever heard about MALÉV flight #240?

And it had to covered up - to prevent the outrage in the country.

Other: do you know, who did "own" the black market money exchange in Hungary? Arabs. People used their "service" as a necessity, but we would like all of them deported back where they came from. No visas, no residence permits, no citizenship!

In what lala-land are living you? Serbs are mostly and firmly on Israeli side. How fast can you say the words "wahabbite" and "Novi Pazar"?

To the hell with Abbas and the rest of that criminal gang. Serbia should be more consistent and distance from all of them.
(Ataman, 8 July 2009 13:08)

wake up and smell the coffee. I suppose James Rubin, George Soros, Madelene Allbright and the rest on Capitol Hill loved Serbia.

Give me a break.

Have I hit a sensitive spot Ataman?

FREE PALESTINE NOW!

The Palestinians be they Muslims or Christians own Palestine despite numerous attempts by the Israeli state to destroy it.

Welcome to Serbia Mr President.
(Niall O'Doherty, 7 July 2009 16:50)

The first "approach" you wrote did "generate" from me a response where I sent you ( + the rest of Arab world) to a "doghouse". B92 edited your response retrospectively - and mine was left out, probably because it would be "politically incorrect", in particular because of this visit.

I am a mean person, so if you upload me some virtual Vinjak or Skanderbeu... you can crawl out from that virtual doghouse (like Roberto does: once in a while we exchange friendly e-mails in secret, just the rest of Albanian and Serbian gang does not know that).

But unlike you or Roberto where much can be settled in cafe, a good part of Arab world for me is in the "doghouse" permanently. Unless they change some basic approach... as it is in the Bible: "don't kill!"

I would put blame (maybe the lion share of it) on Saudis. They are the ones who spread their wahabbite insanity worldwide. They have it very easy in Palestine: the wahabbite "madrasa" does pretend to be a school and poor children are brain-washed into what is essentially a mad sect. Look at Novi Pazar or at attack on school in Beslan by Chechen bandits - enough said.

BTW:

Unlike any of you, we had "real life" experience with "real life" Arab terrorists. These geniuses were sent in 60-s, 70-s and 80-s as "students" to all over Socialist countries and also China. And we learned first-hand, what kind of people our classmates were. That was probably the worst idea - because who had that experience and grew up along them became their hardest opponent later.

My wife on one occasion was almost raped by one of these. That's a tad bigger sin than if I complain, Slovaks are unfriendly if we speak Hungarian or Albanians in Kosovo if we speak Russian to them. The later cases can be described as narrow-mind, the first is just straight a criminal.

When something is so wrong and disgusting like attempt to take our kosovo and make it 'independent' even israel and palestinians agree against it. see how wrong it must be when even they have the same position :)
Now. we all hear so much anti-arab things in the media so now after the propaganda i'm amazed how most arabs have behaved when it comes to kosovo, shows backbone and principle and i applaud them. at the same time i'm a proud serb and a proud friend of israel. in ww2 palestinian muftis helped out bosnian muslim handzar division who worked with nazis and slaughtered serbs or took them to jasenovac concentration camp. there in jasenovac who was there to be executed side by side? of course jews. i wish our bond as nations was different somthing good for us both, but it was murder by our enemies and enemies of civilization, nazi germans and their slaves everywhere.
but that's got nothing to do with ordinary palestinians who live and suffer today. they deserve peace and security and proseperity. and as soon as they stop spawning terrorists who go and kill israeli kids in icecream parlours i'm sure and i'm convinced they'll get it.

You are all attacking Palestine and as you always belittle anyone who doesn't town the line with you, you haven't disappointed here either.
(Peggy, 8 July 2009 03:00)

And guess what... this time they are right.
(Ataman, 8 July 2009 13:12)

In your opinion not mine and many other people.

Have you bothered to actually read up on what is going on there? I mean from independent journalists like John Pilger not something written in mainstream western media.

Don't get me wrong here. Israel has every right to exist but they have to learn to compromise a little too.

Niall,

I suppose James Rubin, George Soros, Madelene Allbright and the rest on Capitol Hill loved Serbia. (Niall O'Doherty, 8 July 2009 17:14)


I complitly agree with you.And let us not forget who owns the media and PR companies which demonized serbs and create false image about others with deep christian roots(poles,greek,russians,irish etc.).This lobby supported islamoimperialism in the Balkans while at the same time deny middle east muslims any kind of justified self defense.What hypocrisy.However let us be fair and not forget that many jews themselves are very critical of Us Israeli lobby and their actions.
FREE PALESTINE NOW! Well I will never forget that mural not far from Divis Tower on Falls Road next to Blanketman mural.I was last September In Belfast and on my way to Celtic bar where I watched ALL IRELAND with my friends I saw that actually there is a new painting.And Finally 6 Counties back and God bless irish people.

Ataman, what on earth are you talking about? Why are you talking about rape and going off topic?

I said that Israel has a right to exist but they have to learn to compromise a little too and you go off on some rape story and liken Albanian cause to it somehow.

Can you just be direct for once and don't go into some what if or speak of things off topic.

I normally agree with your posts but lately you have been going off in different directions and throwing all sorts of information out there which really don't address the topic but only serve to muddy the waters.