Presidents open Greek cultural center

I'm happy to see this. Serbian-Greek relations have always been strong and there is genuine respect felt for each other by the average person.

All my respect to those european peoples who have not lost their backbone yet.(THe Irish, The Greek,Serbs).

I'm happy to see this. Serbian-Greek relations have always been strong and there is genuine respect felt for each other by the average person.
(Mike, 4 July 2009 12:54

Indeed Mike.We fought together the Balkan wars against the Ottoman Turks and Bulgarians and the second world war against the axis powers.

Both Greece and Cyprus have supported and continue to support Serbia in its difficult times.

I honestly hope our present relations continue to flourish in the future as they have been in the past.

To Nelli_Canada:

I see your hate over better countries and better people than your own that are hunderds of years in front economically and culturally than your own, make you write comments like the one you wrote and expose yourself.

Well sorry to dissapoint you, but the Albanians will not always be stealing other countrie's land with no fight, like they stole Kosovo from Serbia with US support. Kosovo is Serbian land, and the Albanians are conquerors there. No matter if the whole planet recognises that stealing, it is still a stealling and this cannot change.

Like the Albanians occupy Greek Northern Epirus, which will also return to the rightful owners one day (Greeks that is). When the moment will come that you will have to fight for the land you steal from neighbouring countries, all the occupied regions by Albanians will simply get free... because you have not fought or won a signle war in your whole (very short) history... and the foreigners will not always be there to help you.

Very well said. A good basis for even better future relationship - even a strong alliance in the region - would be the reverse of the recognition of the pseudo-macedonian state of FYROM by Serbia, as "macedonia".

Serbia cannot expect from Greece or Cyrpus not to recognise Kosovo or any international support while at the same time it immoraly recognises FYROM as "macedonia", offending the Greek state, the Greek culture and history and finally the Greek people that way. And for those Serbs who will say "Kosovo is a matter of international law", I will just say that for Greek people to see their history and culture stolen that way, is much more important than the appliance of "international law" in Kosovo.

So you Serbs better to learn to respect what others see as important, if you want others to respect the thing you find important. This is all what mutual understanding and international diplomacy is all about anyway.

PS: Just for your information, Albania still today refuses to recognise FYROM as "macedonia", only for the sake of good relations with Greece. However, "our friend" Serbia has recognised them as "macedonia", totally ignoring Greece and the Greek position on that matter.... I think it is time for the g
Greek goverment to act and officialy recognise Kosovo immediately. No more lies....

Kostas,

The "name situation" is very important, BUT it is not even close to the situation with regards to Kosovo. Do you really think Serbia would call Macedonia FYROM. Yogoslavia does not exist any more. Do you expect Croatia to be called the Former Yugoslav Republic of Croatia? Get Real!

Serbia never thought this would have been this big of an issue when Macedonia or as you call FYROM seceded.

Don't compare apples with oranges. You are using what people call black mail. If that is the case then Serbs don't need friends like that.
However, I don't think your comments comments speak for most Greeks! I know most Greeks would not side with Albanians over Serbs. It almost sounds like you are Pro-Kosova Greek and that is very very rare among Greek people!

It's funny what this "greek" kostas is posting here. I am greek and live in greece. So who are our friends? The serbs who recognized macedonia, who fought together side by side in 3 wars, who left 20000 dead young soldiers in a cementery outside thesaloniki for the sake of its inhabitans or the albanians who murdered together with the turks for a few centuries. Everybody of you can try the following example: Choose a greek city you like and go and say "Long live Albania" and afterweards do the same with "Long live Serbia" and watch the reactions of the people, than you know how greeks feel.
Our both countries are friendly countries toward each other and that will not change in the near future. Also how many mixed mariages are there between serbs and greeks and albanians and greeks?
Cheers greetings from salonika

Kostas this has nothing to do with Greek feelings. If you live in Greece then you must know that Greek feelings for Serbia are very very strong.

Yesterday Serbian President Boris Tadic speaking to Mr Papoulias said


Serbian president speaking to Greek president said


"Whoever adopts your history, is like stealing your identity. We recognized Fyrom as "Macedonia" but we Serbs cannot recognize Macedonian Identity or Macedonian Ethnicity, because ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great were Greeks and not Slavic people".
He said "Ancient Macedonia's territory has nothing to do with present area of Fyrom".
Only 10% of Fyrom territory is part of Ancient Macedonia and he describes Fyrom Goverment as "Tragicomic" when they falsify real history and they try to steal a part of Greek history.

Thank you mr. Tadic

Here is the link

http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=11378&subid=2&tag=8400&pubid=4446850


He said that talking one to one to Greek president with journalists presence. It wasn't official statements but it was with journalist presence.

Greek feelings are very very strong, whoever have been in Greece he knows that.
Ofoucse we want good relations with all neighbour but with Serbia is more than friendly.
Do not forget Albania didnt recognize Fyrom because they want to destabilize Fyrom and make Greater Albania (lol).
Never compare Greek-Serbian friendship with Albania. Never.

http://www.serbia-hellas.com/

Kostas
you have right about FROYM,
but that was a blackmail for me.
Good luck with your new "friends".

And if your government ever recognize
a "state Kosova", that wont change
my feelings about your people.

Have a nice day.

Yesterdays Greece with todays Greece besides living in the same territories have nothing in common.

Lenard,

Shuold they learn this"Live and let live "principle from cold-headed and ultratolerant Croats?

Methinks "Kostas" is an Albanian troll, and a very successful one, judging by the number of responses he got.

Leonidas, Serbs and Greek faught the Second Balkan war against the Bulgarians with one single puropse - to deny the inhabitants of Macedonia the right of self-determination. But unlike Greece that got only a mixed population fringe land, Serbia annexed with Greece's help a huge chnk of land where there were no Serbs. So to erase the Bulgarian identity of the Macedonians Tito launched the Macedonization. Serbia will never revoke its recognition of the Macedonian nation, because it was largely its own doing. So Kostas, choose your friends more carefully!

Most of you Serbs and Greeks are hot heads ,live and let live!
(Lenard, 4 July 2009 22:18)

Oh we have nothing against you living, but not with our property (territory and history). So live long and proper, but on your own merit.

Greeks and Serbs are brothers.

Whatever Governments do and don't do - because of pressure from major powers - our nations are friends and will be together until the end of time!!!

George
Melbourne

Kostas. The recognition of FYROM as "Macedonia" is entirely due to it being one of the measures listed by the Americans after the war in Bosnia to lift the "outerwall of sanctions." Had this not been a condition, it wouldn't of happenned.

These sanctions are gone and the FYROMians recognized Kosovo. I see no reasons to see this crime done by Tito to continue, but alas people have grown accustomed to Tito's creation.

To Gojko - comment 7:

You are again doing the same mistake. You underestimate a national problem a country has (Greece with the name issue and FYROM) while you compare with your countrie's problem (kosovo), and say "your problem is not importnat while ours actually is". Well this is not what "mutual understanding" is all about, and this is not how allies or friends behave..

The nationalistic goverment of FYROM is using the name "macedonia" in order to set future territorial claims over the greek northern region of macedonia. So this is a VERY importnat matter for my country - apart from national pride - and your politicians know that very well. So when you claim "your problem is not important while our problem is", you just ignore Greece and the Greek people. Do you think your country deserve any help afte that?? Why Greece should be the only EU country (together with Spain) to support you when Serbia shows that behaviour over the most important national matter for Greece??

I am not pro-albanian as you claim. I am just a Greek who sees reality. And believe me most Greekes - especially the 3 million macedonia greeks - are very hostile to those who support the history stealers of FYROM who want to claim Greek land, like some of your people and your goverment actually does for the last 18 years. As simple as that.

Leonidas, Serbs and Greek faught the Second Balkan war against the Bulgarians with one single puropse - to deny the inhabitants of Macedonia the right of self-determination. But unlike Greece that got only a mixed population fringe land, Serbia annexed with Greece's help a huge chnk of land where there were no Serbs. So to erase the Bulgarian identity of the Macedonians Tito launched the Macedonization. Serbia will never revoke its recognition of the Macedonian nation, because it was largely its own doing. So Kostas, choose your friends more carefully!
(nik, 4 July 2009 18:24)

The Balkan wars were not fought over macedonia since there wasn't any nation with that name.If you look at the last Ottoman census of 1904 you'll see that the only people appearing on their records were Greeks,Muslims and Bulgarians.

My support for Serbia over the Kosovo issue is based only on the application of international law and not on friendship-as you seem to imply.This is also the official policy of successive Greek goverments.

Kostas,

I NEVER said your problem is not important. Don't Misinterpret! However, it is NOT on the same level. Its a name dispute and a "possible to future territorial claims" (the latter will never happen). If the "fyrom's" claimed Greece land in "current Greece" then that would be the same. NO ONE is questining your countries borders like the borders in Serbia! Is anyone claiming independence in Greece? Did the "FYROM's" claim 20% independence from your country?

Do you actually believe FYROM'S want to make territorial claims in Greece? Get real! Macedonia is the next Bosnia in the region and has zero power. Greece is licking at the chops to gEt something out of it. Maybe Greece is the one trying to make territorial gains in FYROM?

Serbia TRULY appreciates Greece more than Serbia can express! Serbia understands your problem and DOES NOT support rewriting history!

Kostas,Greeks know that Albanians have respected them more than anybody else in balcan did but still got nothing back in return,hope tha nationalistic ideals and religion beliefs will not be a barrier betwen as in the future.

"The Balkan wars were not fought over macedonia since there wasn't any nation with that name"

Absolutely true! There were Greeks, Bulgarians and Turks. But thjere were no Serbs. Yet Greece sided with Serbia in its attempt to violate the Serbo-Bulgarian treaty of the previous year. The end result was that Serbia annexed a big land the population of which had strong Bulgarian national sentiment. The attempted Serbization failed so it had to be replaced with Macedonization. It succeded because it was based on the glorious name Macedonia, the homeland of Alexander, mentioned in the Bible etc. The only way the people of that land could be rescued from the deliriun would be the resurection of the sens of Bulgarian origins. Bet my last dollar that Serbia would do all it could to prevent it!

Most of you Serbs and Greeks are hot heads ,live and let live!

greece and greeks must keep their mouths shut and never mention Kosova again. I guess anyone can say the word Kosova these days, even the most unimportant(simpliest) people on Earth.

''Kostas''

You post the same argument on here over and over and over again. Everyone is bored of your non-existant point. You do not speak for Greeks or their government.

It's funny what this "greek" kostas is posting here. I am greek and live in greece. So who are our friends? The serbs who recognized macedonia, who fought together side by side in 3 wars, who left 20000 dead young soldiers in a cementery outside thesaloniki for the sake of its inhabitans or the albanians who murdered together with the turks for a few centuries. Everybody of you can try the following example: Choose a greek city you like and go and say "Long live Albania" and afterweards do the same with "Long live Serbia" and watch the reactions of the people, than you know how greeks feel.
Our both countries are friendly countries toward each other and that will not change in the near future. Also how many mixed mariages are there between serbs and greeks and albanians and greeks?
Cheers greetings from salonika
(ellinas, 5 July 2009 18:33)

That gravesite is called Zetalnik and there is an old Serbian soldier who greets visitors in front the gravesite. There are also French, and English quarter but the largest graveyard by far is the Serbian.

Thousands of Serbs perished while retreating from combined Austro-Hungarian, German and Bulgarian attack during WWI. The retreating Serbian army was also attacked attacked by the Albanian hordes as they retreated through Albania. They finally arrived in the island of Corfu and the Greek welcomed them with open arms.

The Serbian army regrouped at the Salonika front to fight another day.

That gravesite is called Zetalnik and there is an old Serbian soldier who greets visitors in front the gravesite. There are also French, and English quarter but the largest graveyard by far is the Serbian.

Thousands of Serbs perished while retreating from combined Austro-Hungarian, German and Bulgarian attack during WWI. The retreating Serbian army was also attacked attacked by the Albanian hordes as they retreated through Albania. They finally arrived in the island of Corfu and the Greek welcomed them with open arms.

The Serbian army regrouped at the Salonika front to fight another day.
(konstantin gregovic, 7 July 2009 20:37)

You are absolutely right Konstantin.
Here you can find the story

http://www.embassyofserbia.gr

Serbs are honourable people, always fighting for liberty, for their pride and for their kids future.
Respect

Very well said. A good basis for even better future relationship - even a strong alliance in the region - would be the reverse of the recognition of the pseudo-macedonian state of FYROM by Serbia, as "macedonia".

Serbia cannot expect from Greece or Cyrpus not to recognise Kosovo or any international support while at the same time it immoraly recognises FYROM as "macedonia", offending the Greek state, the Greek culture and history and finally the Greek people that way. And for those Serbs who will say "Kosovo is a matter of international law", I will just say that for Greek people to see their history and culture stolen that way, is much more important than the appliance of "international law" in Kosovo.

So you Serbs better to learn to respect what others see as important, if you want others to respect the thing you find important. This is all what mutual understanding and international diplomacy is all about anyway.

PS: Just for your information, Albania still today refuses to recognise FYROM as "macedonia", only for the sake of good relations with Greece. However, "our friend" Serbia has recognised them as "macedonia", totally ignoring Greece and the Greek position on that matter.... I think it is time for the g
Greek goverment to act and officialy recognise Kosovo immediately. No more lies....

Leonidas, Serbs and Greek faught the Second Balkan war against the Bulgarians with one single puropse - to deny the inhabitants of Macedonia the right of self-determination. But unlike Greece that got only a mixed population fringe land, Serbia annexed with Greece's help a huge chnk of land where there were no Serbs. So to erase the Bulgarian identity of the Macedonians Tito launched the Macedonization. Serbia will never revoke its recognition of the Macedonian nation, because it was largely its own doing. So Kostas, choose your friends more carefully!

Kostas,Greeks know that Albanians have respected them more than anybody else in balcan did but still got nothing back in return,hope tha nationalistic ideals and religion beliefs will not be a barrier betwen as in the future.

Most of you Serbs and Greeks are hot heads ,live and let live!

greece and greeks must keep their mouths shut and never mention Kosova again. I guess anyone can say the word Kosova these days, even the most unimportant(simpliest) people on Earth.

Yesterdays Greece with todays Greece besides living in the same territories have nothing in common.

I'm happy to see this. Serbian-Greek relations have always been strong and there is genuine respect felt for each other by the average person.
(Mike, 4 July 2009 12:54

Indeed Mike.We fought together the Balkan wars against the Ottoman Turks and Bulgarians and the second world war against the axis powers.

Both Greece and Cyprus have supported and continue to support Serbia in its difficult times.

I honestly hope our present relations continue to flourish in the future as they have been in the past.

Methinks "Kostas" is an Albanian troll, and a very successful one, judging by the number of responses he got.

To Nelli_Canada:

I see your hate over better countries and better people than your own that are hunderds of years in front economically and culturally than your own, make you write comments like the one you wrote and expose yourself.

Well sorry to dissapoint you, but the Albanians will not always be stealing other countrie's land with no fight, like they stole Kosovo from Serbia with US support. Kosovo is Serbian land, and the Albanians are conquerors there. No matter if the whole planet recognises that stealing, it is still a stealling and this cannot change.

Like the Albanians occupy Greek Northern Epirus, which will also return to the rightful owners one day (Greeks that is). When the moment will come that you will have to fight for the land you steal from neighbouring countries, all the occupied regions by Albanians will simply get free... because you have not fought or won a signle war in your whole (very short) history... and the foreigners will not always be there to help you.

I'm happy to see this. Serbian-Greek relations have always been strong and there is genuine respect felt for each other by the average person.

Kostas,

I NEVER said your problem is not important. Don't Misinterpret! However, it is NOT on the same level. Its a name dispute and a "possible to future territorial claims" (the latter will never happen). If the "fyrom's" claimed Greece land in "current Greece" then that would be the same. NO ONE is questining your countries borders like the borders in Serbia! Is anyone claiming independence in Greece? Did the "FYROM's" claim 20% independence from your country?

Do you actually believe FYROM'S want to make territorial claims in Greece? Get real! Macedonia is the next Bosnia in the region and has zero power. Greece is licking at the chops to gEt something out of it. Maybe Greece is the one trying to make territorial gains in FYROM?

Serbia TRULY appreciates Greece more than Serbia can express! Serbia understands your problem and DOES NOT support rewriting history!

All my respect to those european peoples who have not lost their backbone yet.(THe Irish, The Greek,Serbs).

To Gojko - comment 7:

You are again doing the same mistake. You underestimate a national problem a country has (Greece with the name issue and FYROM) while you compare with your countrie's problem (kosovo), and say "your problem is not importnat while ours actually is". Well this is not what "mutual understanding" is all about, and this is not how allies or friends behave..

The nationalistic goverment of FYROM is using the name "macedonia" in order to set future territorial claims over the greek northern region of macedonia. So this is a VERY importnat matter for my country - apart from national pride - and your politicians know that very well. So when you claim "your problem is not important while our problem is", you just ignore Greece and the Greek people. Do you think your country deserve any help afte that?? Why Greece should be the only EU country (together with Spain) to support you when Serbia shows that behaviour over the most important national matter for Greece??

I am not pro-albanian as you claim. I am just a Greek who sees reality. And believe me most Greekes - especially the 3 million macedonia greeks - are very hostile to those who support the history stealers of FYROM who want to claim Greek land, like some of your people and your goverment actually does for the last 18 years. As simple as that.

Kostas this has nothing to do with Greek feelings. If you live in Greece then you must know that Greek feelings for Serbia are very very strong.

Yesterday Serbian President Boris Tadic speaking to Mr Papoulias said


Serbian president speaking to Greek president said


"Whoever adopts your history, is like stealing your identity. We recognized Fyrom as "Macedonia" but we Serbs cannot recognize Macedonian Identity or Macedonian Ethnicity, because ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great were Greeks and not Slavic people".
He said "Ancient Macedonia's territory has nothing to do with present area of Fyrom".
Only 10% of Fyrom territory is part of Ancient Macedonia and he describes Fyrom Goverment as "Tragicomic" when they falsify real history and they try to steal a part of Greek history.

Thank you mr. Tadic

Here is the link

http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=11378&subid=2&tag=8400&pubid=4446850


He said that talking one to one to Greek president with journalists presence. It wasn't official statements but it was with journalist presence.

Greek feelings are very very strong, whoever have been in Greece he knows that.
Ofoucse we want good relations with all neighbour but with Serbia is more than friendly.
Do not forget Albania didnt recognize Fyrom because they want to destabilize Fyrom and make Greater Albania (lol).
Never compare Greek-Serbian friendship with Albania. Never.

http://www.serbia-hellas.com/

Most of you Serbs and Greeks are hot heads ,live and let live!
(Lenard, 4 July 2009 22:18)

Oh we have nothing against you living, but not with our property (territory and history). So live long and proper, but on your own merit.

Kostas,

The "name situation" is very important, BUT it is not even close to the situation with regards to Kosovo. Do you really think Serbia would call Macedonia FYROM. Yogoslavia does not exist any more. Do you expect Croatia to be called the Former Yugoslav Republic of Croatia? Get Real!

Serbia never thought this would have been this big of an issue when Macedonia or as you call FYROM seceded.

Don't compare apples with oranges. You are using what people call black mail. If that is the case then Serbs don't need friends like that.
However, I don't think your comments comments speak for most Greeks! I know most Greeks would not side with Albanians over Serbs. It almost sounds like you are Pro-Kosova Greek and that is very very rare among Greek people!

Lenard,

Shuold they learn this"Live and let live "principle from cold-headed and ultratolerant Croats?

It's funny what this "greek" kostas is posting here. I am greek and live in greece. So who are our friends? The serbs who recognized macedonia, who fought together side by side in 3 wars, who left 20000 dead young soldiers in a cementery outside thesaloniki for the sake of its inhabitans or the albanians who murdered together with the turks for a few centuries. Everybody of you can try the following example: Choose a greek city you like and go and say "Long live Albania" and afterweards do the same with "Long live Serbia" and watch the reactions of the people, than you know how greeks feel.
Our both countries are friendly countries toward each other and that will not change in the near future. Also how many mixed mariages are there between serbs and greeks and albanians and greeks?
Cheers greetings from salonika

"The Balkan wars were not fought over macedonia since there wasn't any nation with that name"

Absolutely true! There were Greeks, Bulgarians and Turks. But thjere were no Serbs. Yet Greece sided with Serbia in its attempt to violate the Serbo-Bulgarian treaty of the previous year. The end result was that Serbia annexed a big land the population of which had strong Bulgarian national sentiment. The attempted Serbization failed so it had to be replaced with Macedonization. It succeded because it was based on the glorious name Macedonia, the homeland of Alexander, mentioned in the Bible etc. The only way the people of that land could be rescued from the deliriun would be the resurection of the sens of Bulgarian origins. Bet my last dollar that Serbia would do all it could to prevent it!

Kostas
you have right about FROYM,
but that was a blackmail for me.
Good luck with your new "friends".

And if your government ever recognize
a "state Kosova", that wont change
my feelings about your people.

Have a nice day.

Kostas. The recognition of FYROM as "Macedonia" is entirely due to it being one of the measures listed by the Americans after the war in Bosnia to lift the "outerwall of sanctions." Had this not been a condition, it wouldn't of happenned.

These sanctions are gone and the FYROMians recognized Kosovo. I see no reasons to see this crime done by Tito to continue, but alas people have grown accustomed to Tito's creation.

Leonidas, Serbs and Greek faught the Second Balkan war against the Bulgarians with one single puropse - to deny the inhabitants of Macedonia the right of self-determination. But unlike Greece that got only a mixed population fringe land, Serbia annexed with Greece's help a huge chnk of land where there were no Serbs. So to erase the Bulgarian identity of the Macedonians Tito launched the Macedonization. Serbia will never revoke its recognition of the Macedonian nation, because it was largely its own doing. So Kostas, choose your friends more carefully!
(nik, 4 July 2009 18:24)

The Balkan wars were not fought over macedonia since there wasn't any nation with that name.If you look at the last Ottoman census of 1904 you'll see that the only people appearing on their records were Greeks,Muslims and Bulgarians.

My support for Serbia over the Kosovo issue is based only on the application of international law and not on friendship-as you seem to imply.This is also the official policy of successive Greek goverments.

Greeks and Serbs are brothers.

Whatever Governments do and don't do - because of pressure from major powers - our nations are friends and will be together until the end of time!!!

George
Melbourne

''Kostas''

You post the same argument on here over and over and over again. Everyone is bored of your non-existant point. You do not speak for Greeks or their government.

It's funny what this "greek" kostas is posting here. I am greek and live in greece. So who are our friends? The serbs who recognized macedonia, who fought together side by side in 3 wars, who left 20000 dead young soldiers in a cementery outside thesaloniki for the sake of its inhabitans or the albanians who murdered together with the turks for a few centuries. Everybody of you can try the following example: Choose a greek city you like and go and say "Long live Albania" and afterweards do the same with "Long live Serbia" and watch the reactions of the people, than you know how greeks feel.
Our both countries are friendly countries toward each other and that will not change in the near future. Also how many mixed mariages are there between serbs and greeks and albanians and greeks?
Cheers greetings from salonika
(ellinas, 5 July 2009 18:33)

That gravesite is called Zetalnik and there is an old Serbian soldier who greets visitors in front the gravesite. There are also French, and English quarter but the largest graveyard by far is the Serbian.

Thousands of Serbs perished while retreating from combined Austro-Hungarian, German and Bulgarian attack during WWI. The retreating Serbian army was also attacked attacked by the Albanian hordes as they retreated through Albania. They finally arrived in the island of Corfu and the Greek welcomed them with open arms.

The Serbian army regrouped at the Salonika front to fight another day.

That gravesite is called Zetalnik and there is an old Serbian soldier who greets visitors in front the gravesite. There are also French, and English quarter but the largest graveyard by far is the Serbian.

Thousands of Serbs perished while retreating from combined Austro-Hungarian, German and Bulgarian attack during WWI. The retreating Serbian army was also attacked attacked by the Albanian hordes as they retreated through Albania. They finally arrived in the island of Corfu and the Greek welcomed them with open arms.

The Serbian army regrouped at the Salonika front to fight another day.
(konstantin gregovic, 7 July 2009 20:37)

You are absolutely right Konstantin.
Here you can find the story

http://www.embassyofserbia.gr

Serbs are honourable people, always fighting for liberty, for their pride and for their kids future.
Respect