Serb ministers are flat out lying to their people.
1."Svetozar Čiplić told reporters after the session that the ministers looked into the current issues in Kosovo and decided that the return of Serbs to the Kosovo police, KPS, came about with the implementation of the six-point plan, "which itself does not violate Resolution 1244".
2. "The minister ( Bogdanovic) said there was good will exists within the government to help Serbs return to the Kosovo police, KPS, but that Belgrade is negotiation the conditions under which they would not be working under the authority of Priština".
First off, 95% of Serb police have already return, so Bogdanovic is clearly lying here trying to create an impression that there is ongoing negotiation about this. And here is a quote from another B92 article that was published today "EULEX chief said that there had been no negotiations, conditions or agreements with the government in Belgrade regarding the return of Serbs to the KPS." I don't understand why Serb media does not question them when they spout out clear cut lies.
Serb Government organised the election in Kosova(o) in May 2008 in clear breach of the UNSC Resolution 1244 that Serbia speaks so highly about it. According to 1244 Serbia is not entitled to call elections in Kosova(o). Also UNMIK deemed these election illegal because of that reason. Kind of funny situation though, Serbia calls the international community to respect the international law and at the same time it brakes it itself blatantly! Even so according to the 1974 constitution of the former Federal Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia Kosova(o) had the veto right in the federation and no other federal unit incl. Serbia could interfere with Kosovas legal rights incl. elections! So no document from the past, no current document, no legal background entitles Serbia to call elections in Kosova! Not to mention the fact that to call election in a region you actually have to have your authorities in the region to physically execute the election, which Serbia does not have in Kosova(o).
actually, Albanians in Serbia, if you are counting Kosovo, are not a small minority at all! They would represent some 18-20% of the population - something which the Serbian government carefully avoids mentioning.
“Minister for Human Rights” and coworkers decided about the return of Serbs to KPS! Let us briefly ascertain this contradictory situation. According to the International Human Rights Standards; all forms of discrimination are prohibited decisively, against any person or persons based on sex, age, marital status……, social origin, property, birth or any other status. So that the right for a job is seen exclusively as a right of an individual to decide on his/her own. There shall be no interference towards any one regarding his/her determination or willingness to choose profession and occupation. Ultimately, there is so insensible to me when encountering this kind of assertions by those who represent a section that should exclusively serve its basically principles, no interference to the basic human needs of any one.
The underlying problem here is that the west supports the gangs who are running Kosovo and as long as that is true there is no incentive for that side to come to a bilateral final status agreement. what's started as a bad decision is turning into a nightmare, everyone of those 60countries knew it was illegal and a bad idea but they cannot lose face on their decision to break the law in 1999 and then again in 2007. 1st rule of making a deal with the devil: don't!
Up to here taste I was with you but then I missed the part where G.W. Bush send his troops in California and killed scores of Californians. Iraq, although an illegitimate war, was never a part of the U.S. so drop the California-U.S. comparison please.
(Zoti, 2 July 2009 17:08)
Ah, but president Lincoln did send troops down south to tame the rebels. It was a bloody civil war and there is no way Bush or anyone else would tolerate that again.
So, you see there is a lot of similarity. It's ok for US government to send their troops all over the world and meddle in everyone's business but it's not OK for Serbia to take care of it's own domestic business.
Nobody will allow their province to secede because they turn radical.
I think this is a very big mistake. the blg regime tells "their" serbs (i don't care if they are 4% or 14%)not to partake in any of kosovar institutions. which further marginalizes them inside kosovo/a, keeps them apart, keeps them alienated and alienating. then the blgd regime shouts: our serbs in kosovo/a are completely marginalized and pristina hasn't succeeded in accomplishing a thriving multi-cultural paradise.
duh! this is called circular reasoning. this is being a (major) part of the problem, not trying to resolve it.
as i have reported here, i am most grateful that sonia biserko and her colleagues in serbia (and kosovo/a) are ignoring the blgd regime as much as possible, and continuing to advocate for the true well-being of serbs in kosovo/a, and in fact for human rights for all people.
go for it, sonia!
i will always believe that when left to their own devises, people find ways to get along, to make pragmatic alliances, to build little bridges, small frndships, do business, attend one another's weddings and funerals. just let people live!
Human and Minority Rights Minister Svetozar Čiplić told reporters after the session that the ministers looked into the current issues in Kosovo and decided that the return of Serbs to the Kosovo police, KPS, came about with the implementation of the six-point plan, "which itself does not violate Resolution 1244 and the policy of a status-neutral position of the responsible international factors.
Now that's what I call a straight lie,
first,the return of Serbs in KPS itsn't in line with ur so called 6 point plan and the reason for that is that the plan is dead and nobody is following it,
second,their return comes due to the ultimatum given by the Kosovo authorities and by the drastic budget cuts from the Serbian government,
and last the resulution 1244 is already dead or if not that's where is headed,given that they're cuting troops every year and KPS is taking over their duty,and as far as the voting I'm concerned if the Serbs living in Kosovo don't want to vote,so it be,it's their decision,if they think it's better they're the ones that's going to benefit from it as one of the above comments pointed out,3/4 % it is not going to have any impact at all but it would be nice for everybody to contribute in building a society together.
This seems to be a pretty weak statement: the conditions don't exist for Serbians to participate - not "any Serb who participates will be considered a traitor and subject to punishment."
It will be better for the Serbian people living in Kosovo if they form their own parties and nominate their own candidates and run on local issues which they will actually have some control over.
the correlation here is that Milosevic and Bush were both leaders of a "total" country, where as Serbia and California are (were) provinces/states within the respective afformentioned "total" countries.
Now, I see where you went with what I wrote, and I would certainly have to agree, Bush did not attack a state within his union. That is fair, although that was not the relationship that I was portraying. The relationship is at the leader level, a leader of a "total" country and not a constituent province/state. The issue stems around the "milosevic" remark.
But to be fair, both leaders were able to convince their populations (with or without justification) that they were trying to calm a 'terroristic' upsurgence. One within his own greater territory, and one on someone else's territory. That being said, it is a well established precident that protecting one's own citizens from an internal terroristic organization is acceptable and appropriate force is also acceptable. Where as trying to preemptively strike a soverign nation under the pretense that they are a front nation for terroism does not fall under acceptable behaviour.
So, if drink felt Milosevic's behaviour during the 1990 was unacceptable, one could barely imagine the level of unacceptabilty drink would feel towards Bush's (and now Obama's) war policy. This is where the commonality lies between these two leaders.
Now, it truly was a poor example, but nonetheless a commonality exists.
"Living 24 hours a day under military supervision is not a life. But that's the way it will be without an agreement with Belgrade.
(Kalifornia, 2 July 2009 17:56)"
Dear Kalifornia,
We live with 10,000 NATO troops supervising the transition. How about Serbia living with over 100,000 permanent troops and nobody is threatening them? If it wasn't for the KFOR, Serbian troops would enter Kosovo within 2 hours and continue where they left 1999. How can there be a negotiated solution for Kosovo when Serbia only understands and approves the force. Intimidating people to vote is a good proof.
California is a state of USA... GW Bush was president of USA (still with me here drink?)... GW Bust and Croonies said "Iraq is loaded with WMD" USA people believe with all their tainted hearts that GW Bush is right.
(taste, 2 July 2009 15:04)
Up to here taste I was with you but then I missed the part where G.W. Bush send his troops in California and killed scores of Californians. Iraq, although an illegitimate war, was never a part of the U.S. so drop the California-U.S. comparison please.
Albanians here sure do talk tough but, Kosovo is not going anywhere without Serbia's approval. If you believe anything else, you are deceiving yourself. Living 24 hours a day under military supervision is not a life. But that's the way it will be without an agreement with Belgrade.
"Bogdanović told the newspaper that this message goes not only to Serbs, but to all Kosovo residents, who must understand that Serbs have always lived there and that this is how it will remain."
Says you! I say you are talking the talk but can't walk the walk.
drink,
it is remarkable that you missed the exceptional similarities to california
...
California is infact hunted by scorpions, or have you never left the coast?
Remember Milosevic was President of Jugoslavia... so we extrapolate... Serbia was a province of Jugoslavia, California is a state of USA... GW Bush was president of USA (still with me here drink?)... GW Bust and Croonies said "Iraq is loaded with WMD" USA people believe with all their tainted hearts that GW Bush is right.
WRONG!!!! GW Bush/ D Cheyney LIED... LIED... but
"denied that anything happened until above reasnable doubt proof" will be "shown"
(drink, 2 July 2009 13:47)
drink my friend... you're just a quencher, and left no substance. You described USA to a tee. Thank you for the way you opened up my eyes to the American illegality and hypocrisy... thank you to yours too... (Because I'm certain that you would wholeheartedly support innocent until proven guilty, yet you make comments that certain fellows (milosevic for example) should not have had this RIGHT and not american luxury... oh right true democracy happens everywhere by USA... Strike that... not true... True democracy happens in many places that are not USA...
california, well well well,
trying to compare serbia to usa??? hahahaha
california was not hunted by scorpions, milosevich and denied that anything happened until above reasnable doubt proof was shown.
''The minister said there was good will exists within the government to help Serbs return to the Kosovo police, KPS, but that Belgrade is negotiation the conditions under which they would not be working under the authority of Priština.''
Bogdanovic maybee you don't have any information about the KPS serbs but they have returned to their job yesterday. A majority of serbs you had left their work has turned back yesterday. There s just a few ones who hasen't and those few lives in Serbia by now.
The majority of serbs in Kosovo has realised that Belgrade is no help to them in their daily life. Kosovo authoritys on the other hand are very poweful in Kosovo and very encouragen to our serb citizens in Kosovo.,
Nelli, this "3-4%" control about 30-35% of the territory in Kosovo. If you don't care then that's fine with us.
But this is not doing anything for the province. We need to start accepting the facts and to make an agreement acceptable to all. Firstly, Kosovo will never become independent. Serbia can never control the ethnic Albanians. The ethnic Albanians cannot control the Serbians and others.
The answer is to make an agreement based on more than autonomy and less than independence with ethnic-Albanian self-rule. We can do this now or wait 15 years for this proposal to self-fulfil but in that case we have lost 15 years of potential prosperity.
Unfortunately I don't believe the temporary institutions in the province are mature enough to do the right thing.
Of course it is a bluf! Tadic will recognize Kosovo soon, right! By the way, what happend to the millions of recognitions The Snake promised you? Every week he says "next week this" and "next week that" but what happens? NOTHING!
Look who's talking again,LOL.
If belgrade tries to stick its' nose into someone elses
business I'm sure it'll cost them much more than last time.
Do K-Albanians care what happens in Belgrade?, not really, well we never did. BTW who cares if 3-4% don't show up to cast their votes.
This is the latest bluf by Tadic & co. I am prettty sure that a few days before the elections Tadic will change his tone, just as they did with police of Kosovo regading 30 June deadline.
This is the latest bluf by Tadic & co. I am prettty sure that a few days before the elections Tadic will change his tone, just as they did with police of Kosovo regading 30 June deadline.
california, well well well,
trying to compare serbia to usa??? hahahaha
california was not hunted by scorpions, milosevich and denied that anything happened until above reasnable doubt proof was shown.
Nelli, this "3-4%" control about 30-35% of the territory in Kosovo. If you don't care then that's fine with us.
But this is not doing anything for the province. We need to start accepting the facts and to make an agreement acceptable to all. Firstly, Kosovo will never become independent. Serbia can never control the ethnic Albanians. The ethnic Albanians cannot control the Serbians and others.
The answer is to make an agreement based on more than autonomy and less than independence with ethnic-Albanian self-rule. We can do this now or wait 15 years for this proposal to self-fulfil but in that case we have lost 15 years of potential prosperity.
Unfortunately I don't believe the temporary institutions in the province are mature enough to do the right thing.
Look who's talking again,LOL.
If belgrade tries to stick its' nose into someone elses
business I'm sure it'll cost them much more than last time.
Do K-Albanians care what happens in Belgrade?, not really, well we never did. BTW who cares if 3-4% don't show up to cast their votes.
Of course it is a bluf! Tadic will recognize Kosovo soon, right! By the way, what happend to the millions of recognitions The Snake promised you? Every week he says "next week this" and "next week that" but what happens? NOTHING!
"Bogdanović told the newspaper that this message goes not only to Serbs, but to all Kosovo residents, who must understand that Serbs have always lived there and that this is how it will remain."
Says you! I say you are talking the talk but can't walk the walk.
California is a state of USA... GW Bush was president of USA (still with me here drink?)... GW Bust and Croonies said "Iraq is loaded with WMD" USA people believe with all their tainted hearts that GW Bush is right.
(taste, 2 July 2009 15:04)
Up to here taste I was with you but then I missed the part where G.W. Bush send his troops in California and killed scores of Californians. Iraq, although an illegitimate war, was never a part of the U.S. so drop the California-U.S. comparison please.
''The minister said there was good will exists within the government to help Serbs return to the Kosovo police, KPS, but that Belgrade is negotiation the conditions under which they would not be working under the authority of Priština.''
Bogdanovic maybee you don't have any information about the KPS serbs but they have returned to their job yesterday. A majority of serbs you had left their work has turned back yesterday. There s just a few ones who hasen't and those few lives in Serbia by now.
The majority of serbs in Kosovo has realised that Belgrade is no help to them in their daily life. Kosovo authoritys on the other hand are very poweful in Kosovo and very encouragen to our serb citizens in Kosovo.,
drink,
it is remarkable that you missed the exceptional similarities to california
...
California is infact hunted by scorpions, or have you never left the coast?
Remember Milosevic was President of Jugoslavia... so we extrapolate... Serbia was a province of Jugoslavia, California is a state of USA... GW Bush was president of USA (still with me here drink?)... GW Bust and Croonies said "Iraq is loaded with WMD" USA people believe with all their tainted hearts that GW Bush is right.
WRONG!!!! GW Bush/ D Cheyney LIED... LIED... but
"denied that anything happened until above reasnable doubt proof" will be "shown"
(drink, 2 July 2009 13:47)
drink my friend... you're just a quencher, and left no substance. You described USA to a tee. Thank you for the way you opened up my eyes to the American illegality and hypocrisy... thank you to yours too... (Because I'm certain that you would wholeheartedly support innocent until proven guilty, yet you make comments that certain fellows (milosevic for example) should not have had this RIGHT and not american luxury... oh right true democracy happens everywhere by USA... Strike that... not true... True democracy happens in many places that are not USA...
Albanians here sure do talk tough but, Kosovo is not going anywhere without Serbia's approval. If you believe anything else, you are deceiving yourself. Living 24 hours a day under military supervision is not a life. But that's the way it will be without an agreement with Belgrade.
"Living 24 hours a day under military supervision is not a life. But that's the way it will be without an agreement with Belgrade.
(Kalifornia, 2 July 2009 17:56)"
Dear Kalifornia,
We live with 10,000 NATO troops supervising the transition. How about Serbia living with over 100,000 permanent troops and nobody is threatening them? If it wasn't for the KFOR, Serbian troops would enter Kosovo within 2 hours and continue where they left 1999. How can there be a negotiated solution for Kosovo when Serbia only understands and approves the force. Intimidating people to vote is a good proof.
the correlation here is that Milosevic and Bush were both leaders of a "total" country, where as Serbia and California are (were) provinces/states within the respective afformentioned "total" countries.
Now, I see where you went with what I wrote, and I would certainly have to agree, Bush did not attack a state within his union. That is fair, although that was not the relationship that I was portraying. The relationship is at the leader level, a leader of a "total" country and not a constituent province/state. The issue stems around the "milosevic" remark.
But to be fair, both leaders were able to convince their populations (with or without justification) that they were trying to calm a 'terroristic' upsurgence. One within his own greater territory, and one on someone else's territory. That being said, it is a well established precident that protecting one's own citizens from an internal terroristic organization is acceptable and appropriate force is also acceptable. Where as trying to preemptively strike a soverign nation under the pretense that they are a front nation for terroism does not fall under acceptable behaviour.
So, if drink felt Milosevic's behaviour during the 1990 was unacceptable, one could barely imagine the level of unacceptabilty drink would feel towards Bush's (and now Obama's) war policy. This is where the commonality lies between these two leaders.
Now, it truly was a poor example, but nonetheless a commonality exists.
I think this is a very big mistake. the blg regime tells "their" serbs (i don't care if they are 4% or 14%)not to partake in any of kosovar institutions. which further marginalizes them inside kosovo/a, keeps them apart, keeps them alienated and alienating. then the blgd regime shouts: our serbs in kosovo/a are completely marginalized and pristina hasn't succeeded in accomplishing a thriving multi-cultural paradise.
duh! this is called circular reasoning. this is being a (major) part of the problem, not trying to resolve it.
as i have reported here, i am most grateful that sonia biserko and her colleagues in serbia (and kosovo/a) are ignoring the blgd regime as much as possible, and continuing to advocate for the true well-being of serbs in kosovo/a, and in fact for human rights for all people.
go for it, sonia!
i will always believe that when left to their own devises, people find ways to get along, to make pragmatic alliances, to build little bridges, small frndships, do business, attend one another's weddings and funerals. just let people live!
actually, Albanians in Serbia, if you are counting Kosovo, are not a small minority at all! They would represent some 18-20% of the population - something which the Serbian government carefully avoids mentioning.
This seems to be a pretty weak statement: the conditions don't exist for Serbians to participate - not "any Serb who participates will be considered a traitor and subject to punishment."
It will be better for the Serbian people living in Kosovo if they form their own parties and nominate their own candidates and run on local issues which they will actually have some control over.
Human and Minority Rights Minister Svetozar Čiplić told reporters after the session that the ministers looked into the current issues in Kosovo and decided that the return of Serbs to the Kosovo police, KPS, came about with the implementation of the six-point plan, "which itself does not violate Resolution 1244 and the policy of a status-neutral position of the responsible international factors.
Now that's what I call a straight lie,
first,the return of Serbs in KPS itsn't in line with ur so called 6 point plan and the reason for that is that the plan is dead and nobody is following it,
second,their return comes due to the ultimatum given by the Kosovo authorities and by the drastic budget cuts from the Serbian government,
and last the resulution 1244 is already dead or if not that's where is headed,given that they're cuting troops every year and KPS is taking over their duty,and as far as the voting I'm concerned if the Serbs living in Kosovo don't want to vote,so it be,it's their decision,if they think it's better they're the ones that's going to benefit from it as one of the above comments pointed out,3/4 % it is not going to have any impact at all but it would be nice for everybody to contribute in building a society together.
Serb Government organised the election in Kosova(o) in May 2008 in clear breach of the UNSC Resolution 1244 that Serbia speaks so highly about it. According to 1244 Serbia is not entitled to call elections in Kosova(o). Also UNMIK deemed these election illegal because of that reason. Kind of funny situation though, Serbia calls the international community to respect the international law and at the same time it brakes it itself blatantly! Even so according to the 1974 constitution of the former Federal Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia Kosova(o) had the veto right in the federation and no other federal unit incl. Serbia could interfere with Kosovas legal rights incl. elections! So no document from the past, no current document, no legal background entitles Serbia to call elections in Kosova! Not to mention the fact that to call election in a region you actually have to have your authorities in the region to physically execute the election, which Serbia does not have in Kosova(o).
Up to here taste I was with you but then I missed the part where G.W. Bush send his troops in California and killed scores of Californians. Iraq, although an illegitimate war, was never a part of the U.S. so drop the California-U.S. comparison please.
(Zoti, 2 July 2009 17:08)
Ah, but president Lincoln did send troops down south to tame the rebels. It was a bloody civil war and there is no way Bush or anyone else would tolerate that again.
So, you see there is a lot of similarity. It's ok for US government to send their troops all over the world and meddle in everyone's business but it's not OK for Serbia to take care of it's own domestic business.
Nobody will allow their province to secede because they turn radical.
“Minister for Human Rights” and coworkers decided about the return of Serbs to KPS! Let us briefly ascertain this contradictory situation. According to the International Human Rights Standards; all forms of discrimination are prohibited decisively, against any person or persons based on sex, age, marital status……, social origin, property, birth or any other status. So that the right for a job is seen exclusively as a right of an individual to decide on his/her own. There shall be no interference towards any one regarding his/her determination or willingness to choose profession and occupation. Ultimately, there is so insensible to me when encountering this kind of assertions by those who represent a section that should exclusively serve its basically principles, no interference to the basic human needs of any one.
Serb ministers are flat out lying to their people.
1."Svetozar Čiplić told reporters after the session that the ministers looked into the current issues in Kosovo and decided that the return of Serbs to the Kosovo police, KPS, came about with the implementation of the six-point plan, "which itself does not violate Resolution 1244".
2. "The minister ( Bogdanovic) said there was good will exists within the government to help Serbs return to the Kosovo police, KPS, but that Belgrade is negotiation the conditions under which they would not be working under the authority of Priština".
First off, 95% of Serb police have already return, so Bogdanovic is clearly lying here trying to create an impression that there is ongoing negotiation about this. And here is a quote from another B92 article that was published today "EULEX chief said that there had been no negotiations, conditions or agreements with the government in Belgrade regarding the return of Serbs to the KPS." I don't understand why Serb media does not question them when they spout out clear cut lies.
The underlying problem here is that the west supports the gangs who are running Kosovo and as long as that is true there is no incentive for that side to come to a bilateral final status agreement. what's started as a bad decision is turning into a nightmare, everyone of those 60countries knew it was illegal and a bad idea but they cannot lose face on their decision to break the law in 1999 and then again in 2007. 1st rule of making a deal with the devil: don't!
Look who's talking again,LOL.
If belgrade tries to stick its' nose into someone elses
business I'm sure it'll cost them much more than last time.
Do K-Albanians care what happens in Belgrade?, not really, well we never did. BTW who cares if 3-4% don't show up to cast their votes.
Of course it is a bluf! Tadic will recognize Kosovo soon, right! By the way, what happend to the millions of recognitions The Snake promised you? Every week he says "next week this" and "next week that" but what happens? NOTHING!
This is the latest bluf by Tadic & co. I am prettty sure that a few days before the elections Tadic will change his tone, just as they did with police of Kosovo regading 30 June deadline.
Nelli, this "3-4%" control about 30-35% of the territory in Kosovo. If you don't care then that's fine with us.
But this is not doing anything for the province. We need to start accepting the facts and to make an agreement acceptable to all. Firstly, Kosovo will never become independent. Serbia can never control the ethnic Albanians. The ethnic Albanians cannot control the Serbians and others.
The answer is to make an agreement based on more than autonomy and less than independence with ethnic-Albanian self-rule. We can do this now or wait 15 years for this proposal to self-fulfil but in that case we have lost 15 years of potential prosperity.
Unfortunately I don't believe the temporary institutions in the province are mature enough to do the right thing.
california, well well well,
trying to compare serbia to usa??? hahahaha
california was not hunted by scorpions, milosevich and denied that anything happened until above reasnable doubt proof was shown.
Albanians here sure do talk tough but, Kosovo is not going anywhere without Serbia's approval. If you believe anything else, you are deceiving yourself. Living 24 hours a day under military supervision is not a life. But that's the way it will be without an agreement with Belgrade.
''The minister said there was good will exists within the government to help Serbs return to the Kosovo police, KPS, but that Belgrade is negotiation the conditions under which they would not be working under the authority of Priština.''
Bogdanovic maybee you don't have any information about the KPS serbs but they have returned to their job yesterday. A majority of serbs you had left their work has turned back yesterday. There s just a few ones who hasen't and those few lives in Serbia by now.
The majority of serbs in Kosovo has realised that Belgrade is no help to them in their daily life. Kosovo authoritys on the other hand are very poweful in Kosovo and very encouragen to our serb citizens in Kosovo.,
"Living 24 hours a day under military supervision is not a life. But that's the way it will be without an agreement with Belgrade.
(Kalifornia, 2 July 2009 17:56)"
Dear Kalifornia,
We live with 10,000 NATO troops supervising the transition. How about Serbia living with over 100,000 permanent troops and nobody is threatening them? If it wasn't for the KFOR, Serbian troops would enter Kosovo within 2 hours and continue where they left 1999. How can there be a negotiated solution for Kosovo when Serbia only understands and approves the force. Intimidating people to vote is a good proof.
"Bogdanović told the newspaper that this message goes not only to Serbs, but to all Kosovo residents, who must understand that Serbs have always lived there and that this is how it will remain."
Says you! I say you are talking the talk but can't walk the walk.
I think this is a very big mistake. the blg regime tells "their" serbs (i don't care if they are 4% or 14%)not to partake in any of kosovar institutions. which further marginalizes them inside kosovo/a, keeps them apart, keeps them alienated and alienating. then the blgd regime shouts: our serbs in kosovo/a are completely marginalized and pristina hasn't succeeded in accomplishing a thriving multi-cultural paradise.
duh! this is called circular reasoning. this is being a (major) part of the problem, not trying to resolve it.
as i have reported here, i am most grateful that sonia biserko and her colleagues in serbia (and kosovo/a) are ignoring the blgd regime as much as possible, and continuing to advocate for the true well-being of serbs in kosovo/a, and in fact for human rights for all people.
go for it, sonia!
i will always believe that when left to their own devises, people find ways to get along, to make pragmatic alliances, to build little bridges, small frndships, do business, attend one another's weddings and funerals. just let people live!
drink,
it is remarkable that you missed the exceptional similarities to california
...
California is infact hunted by scorpions, or have you never left the coast?
Remember Milosevic was President of Jugoslavia... so we extrapolate... Serbia was a province of Jugoslavia, California is a state of USA... GW Bush was president of USA (still with me here drink?)... GW Bust and Croonies said "Iraq is loaded with WMD" USA people believe with all their tainted hearts that GW Bush is right.
WRONG!!!! GW Bush/ D Cheyney LIED... LIED... but
"denied that anything happened until above reasnable doubt proof" will be "shown"
(drink, 2 July 2009 13:47)
drink my friend... you're just a quencher, and left no substance. You described USA to a tee. Thank you for the way you opened up my eyes to the American illegality and hypocrisy... thank you to yours too... (Because I'm certain that you would wholeheartedly support innocent until proven guilty, yet you make comments that certain fellows (milosevic for example) should not have had this RIGHT and not american luxury... oh right true democracy happens everywhere by USA... Strike that... not true... True democracy happens in many places that are not USA...
California is a state of USA... GW Bush was president of USA (still with me here drink?)... GW Bust and Croonies said "Iraq is loaded with WMD" USA people believe with all their tainted hearts that GW Bush is right.
(taste, 2 July 2009 15:04)
Up to here taste I was with you but then I missed the part where G.W. Bush send his troops in California and killed scores of Californians. Iraq, although an illegitimate war, was never a part of the U.S. so drop the California-U.S. comparison please.
the correlation here is that Milosevic and Bush were both leaders of a "total" country, where as Serbia and California are (were) provinces/states within the respective afformentioned "total" countries.
Now, I see where you went with what I wrote, and I would certainly have to agree, Bush did not attack a state within his union. That is fair, although that was not the relationship that I was portraying. The relationship is at the leader level, a leader of a "total" country and not a constituent province/state. The issue stems around the "milosevic" remark.
But to be fair, both leaders were able to convince their populations (with or without justification) that they were trying to calm a 'terroristic' upsurgence. One within his own greater territory, and one on someone else's territory. That being said, it is a well established precident that protecting one's own citizens from an internal terroristic organization is acceptable and appropriate force is also acceptable. Where as trying to preemptively strike a soverign nation under the pretense that they are a front nation for terroism does not fall under acceptable behaviour.
So, if drink felt Milosevic's behaviour during the 1990 was unacceptable, one could barely imagine the level of unacceptabilty drink would feel towards Bush's (and now Obama's) war policy. This is where the commonality lies between these two leaders.
Now, it truly was a poor example, but nonetheless a commonality exists.
Human and Minority Rights Minister Svetozar Čiplić told reporters after the session that the ministers looked into the current issues in Kosovo and decided that the return of Serbs to the Kosovo police, KPS, came about with the implementation of the six-point plan, "which itself does not violate Resolution 1244 and the policy of a status-neutral position of the responsible international factors.
Now that's what I call a straight lie,
first,the return of Serbs in KPS itsn't in line with ur so called 6 point plan and the reason for that is that the plan is dead and nobody is following it,
second,their return comes due to the ultimatum given by the Kosovo authorities and by the drastic budget cuts from the Serbian government,
and last the resulution 1244 is already dead or if not that's where is headed,given that they're cuting troops every year and KPS is taking over their duty,and as far as the voting I'm concerned if the Serbs living in Kosovo don't want to vote,so it be,it's their decision,if they think it's better they're the ones that's going to benefit from it as one of the above comments pointed out,3/4 % it is not going to have any impact at all but it would be nice for everybody to contribute in building a society together.
Up to here taste I was with you but then I missed the part where G.W. Bush send his troops in California and killed scores of Californians. Iraq, although an illegitimate war, was never a part of the U.S. so drop the California-U.S. comparison please.
(Zoti, 2 July 2009 17:08)
Ah, but president Lincoln did send troops down south to tame the rebels. It was a bloody civil war and there is no way Bush or anyone else would tolerate that again.
So, you see there is a lot of similarity. It's ok for US government to send their troops all over the world and meddle in everyone's business but it's not OK for Serbia to take care of it's own domestic business.
Nobody will allow their province to secede because they turn radical.
This seems to be a pretty weak statement: the conditions don't exist for Serbians to participate - not "any Serb who participates will be considered a traitor and subject to punishment."
It will be better for the Serbian people living in Kosovo if they form their own parties and nominate their own candidates and run on local issues which they will actually have some control over.
The underlying problem here is that the west supports the gangs who are running Kosovo and as long as that is true there is no incentive for that side to come to a bilateral final status agreement. what's started as a bad decision is turning into a nightmare, everyone of those 60countries knew it was illegal and a bad idea but they cannot lose face on their decision to break the law in 1999 and then again in 2007. 1st rule of making a deal with the devil: don't!
actually, Albanians in Serbia, if you are counting Kosovo, are not a small minority at all! They would represent some 18-20% of the population - something which the Serbian government carefully avoids mentioning.
Serb ministers are flat out lying to their people.
1."Svetozar Čiplić told reporters after the session that the ministers looked into the current issues in Kosovo and decided that the return of Serbs to the Kosovo police, KPS, came about with the implementation of the six-point plan, "which itself does not violate Resolution 1244".
2. "The minister ( Bogdanovic) said there was good will exists within the government to help Serbs return to the Kosovo police, KPS, but that Belgrade is negotiation the conditions under which they would not be working under the authority of Priština".
First off, 95% of Serb police have already return, so Bogdanovic is clearly lying here trying to create an impression that there is ongoing negotiation about this. And here is a quote from another B92 article that was published today "EULEX chief said that there had been no negotiations, conditions or agreements with the government in Belgrade regarding the return of Serbs to the KPS." I don't understand why Serb media does not question them when they spout out clear cut lies.
Serb Government organised the election in Kosova(o) in May 2008 in clear breach of the UNSC Resolution 1244 that Serbia speaks so highly about it. According to 1244 Serbia is not entitled to call elections in Kosova(o). Also UNMIK deemed these election illegal because of that reason. Kind of funny situation though, Serbia calls the international community to respect the international law and at the same time it brakes it itself blatantly! Even so according to the 1974 constitution of the former Federal Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia Kosova(o) had the veto right in the federation and no other federal unit incl. Serbia could interfere with Kosovas legal rights incl. elections! So no document from the past, no current document, no legal background entitles Serbia to call elections in Kosova! Not to mention the fact that to call election in a region you actually have to have your authorities in the region to physically execute the election, which Serbia does not have in Kosova(o).
“Minister for Human Rights” and coworkers decided about the return of Serbs to KPS! Let us briefly ascertain this contradictory situation. According to the International Human Rights Standards; all forms of discrimination are prohibited decisively, against any person or persons based on sex, age, marital status……, social origin, property, birth or any other status. So that the right for a job is seen exclusively as a right of an individual to decide on his/her own. There shall be no interference towards any one regarding his/her determination or willingness to choose profession and occupation. Ultimately, there is so insensible to me when encountering this kind of assertions by those who represent a section that should exclusively serve its basically principles, no interference to the basic human needs of any one.
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