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Sunday, 28.06.2009.

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Serb memorial bulldozed in Kosovo town

Municipal authorities in the Kosovo town of Gnjilane on Sunday demolished a memorial dedicated to the knights of Tsar Lazar.

Izvor: Tanjug

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peter, sydney

pre 14 godina

Ataman:
Not everybody gets your sense of humour ;)

ps: that the same park that was featured in an episode of 'the amazing race'?

pps: Liên Xô?

Aljosa

pre 14 godina

Since we're talking about the dark ages of the 90's, what happens to the KLA statues?
Surely there were thousands of terrorized and killed civilians under the KLA. Lets demolish those in the interest of reconciliation. These victims are still living in Kosovo and some are moving back, their struggles should also be respected.

Jason

pre 14 godina

Just wanted to echo another comment made previously that however unpleasant this monument was to the Albanians living in Kosovo it is completely unacceptable and downright disgraceful to have it bulldozed on such a day. I am from Canada where many ethnicities live together and I strongly stand behind principles of equality and respect for all people and can't believe Western governments, like my own, have claimed Kosovo to be a model...for anything.
On a side note, I have been travelling through Europe for the first time and just arrived in Belgrade last night - just would like to say what an amazing place it is. What a beautiful city and amazing people. I'm honoured to be a guest here.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Ataman wrote,

5) The old monument would be moved to a special "Milosevic freak ideas" theme park, in outskirts of, say, Prishtina and who want - can visit that park and scratch the head about the taste.

Building a memorial in memory of Tsar Lazar has nothing to do with Milosevic, Tadic or any other poltical leader. This Tsar is part of Serbian hisotry and no matter who builds a memorial to him, it does not make it a freak show.

So if Tadic is to build a memorial to a king from history would you call it a freak show then as well?

How about the memorial built to KLA fighters which was built right next door to a Serbian church which remains abandoned because there is nobody left there to worship in it?
Should this freak be removed and if so can you tell us how would that be possible without Albanians shedding more Serbian blood?

These two are very, very different memorials indeed. One honours a king from hisotory and the other people who have inflicted horrors on Serbs. Now which one is provocative?

Steve JP

pre 14 godina

Let us get something straight: even if that monument was unwelcomed by the Kosovo Albanian Muslims, instead of being destroyed, it should have been removed intact, then given to the Serbs of Serbia. After all, in the year 1999, that area was Serbia by all accounts; the world recognized that area as Serbia in 1999. Over and over again, we see ethnic Muslims having no respect for the religions and cultures of other ethnic people and destroying another people's historical identity and personal property. And the USA should become ethical and quit supporting the ethnic Albanian imperialistic; totalitarian Kosova. The Ottoman Empire is over and even Turkey does not want the Ottoman Empire back. Turkey's consitution prohibits the return of the Ottoman Empire, and Turkey's army;military safeguards what the consitution embodies.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

I completely understand the Albanian problem here and I agree, that this kind of monument has to be removed. This is how it should be done MATURE, EUROPEAN way:

1) Ask EU for money. It never hurts. But watch closely, it goes to the right people!

2) Open a competition between local aspiring young artists (watch closely that all ethnic elements of Kosovo should be represented!) precisely on June 28, 2009. Use the money you got from EU.

3) After a deadline the people should vote for the best design of new monument.

4) At a reasonable date (how about June 28, 2010?) the new monument will be presented.

5) The old monument would be moved to a special "Milosevic freak ideas" theme park, in outskirts of, say, Prishtina and who want - can visit that park and scratch the head about the taste.

This was done in Budapest - here is the link, look at the collection of "communist" statues and this is how it is done CULTURAL, not BARBARIC way:

http://www.szoborpark.hu/index.php?Lang=en

With that attitude what do you think about EU membership? What do you think about ICJ opinion? You are your own worst enemies.

Jovan

pre 14 godina

very good!

the more things like this happen, the better!

all this will be more than useful when the time has come to liberate southern Serbia from those criminal elements!

you know, the media will be doing a good job in bringing this back to memory, when the greater-albanian terrorists start whining again.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"It would be interesting to find out how many Serb posters agree with that sentiment"
UK

A majority of Serbs disslike Milosevic and everything he stood for. He brought Serbia nothing but war and isolation. However, Serbs in Kosovo have other problems to worry about other then a Milosevic era memorial. Kosovo Serbs live under extreeme conditions and to worry about this memorial when they can't even go to the market without risking their lives is asking for too much.

Adam

pre 14 godina

so? the statue was already destroyed, that remains and rubble was razed away is nothing different then all the other buildings and rubble that to this day is still being cleaned up.

Nothing more than a milosovic era monument, Built when the country was STILL supposed to be Yugoslavia.

Just because it was a tool of a mad regime doesnt make it the slightest bit special or worthy of respect.

peter, sydney

pre 14 godina

"People read the article!
"The memorial was built along with a statue of Tsar Lazar on the 600th anniversary of the battle. The statue was demolished in 1999, after the arrival of NATO troops to the province, the news agency reports."

The "memorial" was a milosevic construction to intimidate the local population AND it was destroyed in 1999!!! Listening to posters here one might think that a 600 year old piece of historical treasure was just demolished by blood thirsty Albanians in order to upset Serbs - ridiculous.
(european, 29 June 2009 12:37) "

Would suggest you take your own advice.

The fact that the memorial was built during the Milosevic era & that he capitalised on the sentiment associated with 1389 in order to push his own agenda in no way renders the 600th anniversary of the event any less relevant to most serbs.

The fact is that the memorial was bulldozed 'on the anniversary' of that battle by the K-albanians to intimidate the remaining serb population.

And the only way it could 'intimidate' K-albanians is by reminding them of the historical links serbs have to Kosovo.

Unless of course, K-albanians are afraid of some marble inscribed with words about a 600 year old battle.

UK

pre 14 godina

My apologies.
If indeed the Serb comunity want to distance themselves from what the memorial represents then they should have arranged to have it removed. It would be interesting to find out how many Serb posters agree with that sentiment. If this proves to be the case then my previous comments will have been an ill informed mistake for which I apologise. Could I, in the spirit of fair comment and truthfulness, also ask all to give an honest and unbiased opinion on whether Kosovo is the multi ethnic utopia that is portrayed in the western press or are things a little different in reality? I hear stories of the numbers of Serbs who were displaced from Kosovo and who have yet to return and of the conditions that Serbs are living in presently under guard and in secure compounds. Is this true and if so is it the image of multi ethnicity?

Besim

pre 14 godina

In Kosova the old monument and cultural building will be protected but anything to do with the dark ages of the 90's will be raised to the ground. Is has been done already including some churches with no support and purpose from the locals. Even in UK if a building is not in use by locals soon is put down.

european

pre 14 godina

People read the article!
"The memorial was built along with a statue of Tsar Lazar on the 600th anniversary of the battle. The statue was demolished in 1999, after the arrival of NATO troops to the province, the news agency reports."

The "memorial" was a milosevic construction to intimidate the local population AND it was destroyed in 1999!!! Listening to posters here one might think that a 600 year old piece of historical treasure was just demolished by blood thirsty Albanians in order to upset Serbs - ridiculous.

Freek

pre 14 godina

This memorial did not have to do anything with serb culture. It was all about Milosevic era, he had it build in 1999, this is not cultural heritage serbs should be proud of. In Srbija the government is also destroying everything left from Milosevic and his criminal friends. Why not in Kosovo to?

Logics

pre 14 godina

It is pitty that some people do not understand some things.
I agree with one person here, that if it really was necessary to buldoze that thing for whatever purpose (urban constructions), they could wait to do that another day.
But, let we don't forget, that this monument was bulit in 1989, the year....we know who begun to pull Serbia down.
Lot of monuments have been built after that year, I can also mention a Church on the very soil of Prishtina's Library. I say: I am AGAINST demolishing that Church now, but I can not imagine building a religious objects on soils of any library in EU.

Vidov Dan

pre 14 godina

I would make those reponsible put it right back up again on a much larger and grander scale and make them pay for it out of their own pockets.

Culture preservation - where is the protection force now. Surely this was a clear message.....

UK

pre 14 godina

"If they intended to do this, the municipal authorities could at least have chosen another day, instead of one of the most important holidays for Kosovo's Serbs," said he.

But there was a reason why this day was chosen. To inflict maximum anguish.

It will be interesting to see if this blatant act of discriminatory vandalism and ethnic bullying warrants any coverage here in the UK. So much has been written and broadcast here in Uk about how "multi-ethnic" Kosovo is these days and how the NATO bombing paved the way for a truely more peaceful, stable and tolerant Kosovo. I wonder if the West will sit up and start to realise what is actually happening today. I am amazed that so many Western politicians are either so blind to the realities or choose to ignore them for the sake of some alterior motive? Multi-ethnicity is a very nice ideal but to achieve it everyone in Kosovo must really want it. I wonder how much ALL sides actually want it?

ben

pre 14 godina

These statues and celebration of Vidovdan etc are just products of the Serbian nationalism of the 90s.

The statues were build by Milosevic and his national-socialist regime.

Therefore any links with those dark days of the Serbian nationalism is just an act to be supported. I just don't know what they've been waiting for over 10 years now???

It is Serbs themselves that should distance from that primitive nationalism of 90s, let alone Albanians that were the victims.

All these theatre that we are witnessing today is the product of the Milosevic’s nationalism and never existed before. So why should we continua to cultivate a culture that brought to all of us so much pain??

ben

pre 14 godina

Sorry! just a typo.. doing things in hurry! My previous comment it should say:

Therefore any links with those dark days of the Serbian nationalism is just an act to be condemned. I just don't know what they've been waiting for over 10 years now???

instead of supported as obvious ;)

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

Is there any reason as to why this happened? Doesn't say in the article, but I can't imagine a valid reason to go and demolish something that means something to a particular ethnic group.

Wasn't one of the rules laid down by the international community to respect the rights of the minorities of Kosovo, because this is denying the minority the right to heritage and past.

Very sad indeed. I thought the idea of Kosovo was to create a multiethnic country with full rights for all, not Greater Albania.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"Of course B92 is not reporting about thugs with Obraz t-shirts and "Death to Shiptars" chants as KPS stood guard."
Albanes

Even if your claim would be true (I doubt it), what does it have to do with the article? Another excuse to hide the truth about what is going on in Kosovo?

Peggy

pre 14 godina

"If they intended to do this, the municipal authorities could at least have chosen another day, instead of one of the most important holidays for Kosovo's Serbs," said he.

But there was a reason why this day was chosen. To inflict maximum anguish.

I just watched a Canadian documentary "Kosovo - Can you imagine" and there is no doubt in my mind that persecution of Serbs will continue until they are all gone.
How is this present Serbian government preventing this? They simply are not. I don't care what lip service they give us, they are doing nothing to protect Serbian people of Kosovo, so how can we expect a monument to survive if people will not?

Albanes

pre 14 godina

Of course B92 is not reporting about thugs with Obraz t-shirts and "Death to Shiptars" chants as KPS stood guard. That is not good for inter-ethnic relations.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"Of course B92 is not reporting about thugs with Obraz t-shirts and "Death to Shiptars" chants as KPS stood guard."
Albanes

Even if your claim would be true (I doubt it), what does it have to do with the article? Another excuse to hide the truth about what is going on in Kosovo?

Peggy

pre 14 godina

"If they intended to do this, the municipal authorities could at least have chosen another day, instead of one of the most important holidays for Kosovo's Serbs," said he.

But there was a reason why this day was chosen. To inflict maximum anguish.

I just watched a Canadian documentary "Kosovo - Can you imagine" and there is no doubt in my mind that persecution of Serbs will continue until they are all gone.
How is this present Serbian government preventing this? They simply are not. I don't care what lip service they give us, they are doing nothing to protect Serbian people of Kosovo, so how can we expect a monument to survive if people will not?

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

Is there any reason as to why this happened? Doesn't say in the article, but I can't imagine a valid reason to go and demolish something that means something to a particular ethnic group.

Wasn't one of the rules laid down by the international community to respect the rights of the minorities of Kosovo, because this is denying the minority the right to heritage and past.

Very sad indeed. I thought the idea of Kosovo was to create a multiethnic country with full rights for all, not Greater Albania.

Albanes

pre 14 godina

Of course B92 is not reporting about thugs with Obraz t-shirts and "Death to Shiptars" chants as KPS stood guard. That is not good for inter-ethnic relations.

UK

pre 14 godina

"If they intended to do this, the municipal authorities could at least have chosen another day, instead of one of the most important holidays for Kosovo's Serbs," said he.

But there was a reason why this day was chosen. To inflict maximum anguish.

It will be interesting to see if this blatant act of discriminatory vandalism and ethnic bullying warrants any coverage here in the UK. So much has been written and broadcast here in Uk about how "multi-ethnic" Kosovo is these days and how the NATO bombing paved the way for a truely more peaceful, stable and tolerant Kosovo. I wonder if the West will sit up and start to realise what is actually happening today. I am amazed that so many Western politicians are either so blind to the realities or choose to ignore them for the sake of some alterior motive? Multi-ethnicity is a very nice ideal but to achieve it everyone in Kosovo must really want it. I wonder how much ALL sides actually want it?

Vidov Dan

pre 14 godina

I would make those reponsible put it right back up again on a much larger and grander scale and make them pay for it out of their own pockets.

Culture preservation - where is the protection force now. Surely this was a clear message.....

peter, sydney

pre 14 godina

"People read the article!
"The memorial was built along with a statue of Tsar Lazar on the 600th anniversary of the battle. The statue was demolished in 1999, after the arrival of NATO troops to the province, the news agency reports."

The "memorial" was a milosevic construction to intimidate the local population AND it was destroyed in 1999!!! Listening to posters here one might think that a 600 year old piece of historical treasure was just demolished by blood thirsty Albanians in order to upset Serbs - ridiculous.
(european, 29 June 2009 12:37) "

Would suggest you take your own advice.

The fact that the memorial was built during the Milosevic era & that he capitalised on the sentiment associated with 1389 in order to push his own agenda in no way renders the 600th anniversary of the event any less relevant to most serbs.

The fact is that the memorial was bulldozed 'on the anniversary' of that battle by the K-albanians to intimidate the remaining serb population.

And the only way it could 'intimidate' K-albanians is by reminding them of the historical links serbs have to Kosovo.

Unless of course, K-albanians are afraid of some marble inscribed with words about a 600 year old battle.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"It would be interesting to find out how many Serb posters agree with that sentiment"
UK

A majority of Serbs disslike Milosevic and everything he stood for. He brought Serbia nothing but war and isolation. However, Serbs in Kosovo have other problems to worry about other then a Milosevic era memorial. Kosovo Serbs live under extreeme conditions and to worry about this memorial when they can't even go to the market without risking their lives is asking for too much.

ben

pre 14 godina

These statues and celebration of Vidovdan etc are just products of the Serbian nationalism of the 90s.

The statues were build by Milosevic and his national-socialist regime.

Therefore any links with those dark days of the Serbian nationalism is just an act to be supported. I just don't know what they've been waiting for over 10 years now???

It is Serbs themselves that should distance from that primitive nationalism of 90s, let alone Albanians that were the victims.

All these theatre that we are witnessing today is the product of the Milosevic’s nationalism and never existed before. So why should we continua to cultivate a culture that brought to all of us so much pain??

Jason

pre 14 godina

Just wanted to echo another comment made previously that however unpleasant this monument was to the Albanians living in Kosovo it is completely unacceptable and downright disgraceful to have it bulldozed on such a day. I am from Canada where many ethnicities live together and I strongly stand behind principles of equality and respect for all people and can't believe Western governments, like my own, have claimed Kosovo to be a model...for anything.
On a side note, I have been travelling through Europe for the first time and just arrived in Belgrade last night - just would like to say what an amazing place it is. What a beautiful city and amazing people. I'm honoured to be a guest here.

european

pre 14 godina

People read the article!
"The memorial was built along with a statue of Tsar Lazar on the 600th anniversary of the battle. The statue was demolished in 1999, after the arrival of NATO troops to the province, the news agency reports."

The "memorial" was a milosevic construction to intimidate the local population AND it was destroyed in 1999!!! Listening to posters here one might think that a 600 year old piece of historical treasure was just demolished by blood thirsty Albanians in order to upset Serbs - ridiculous.

Jovan

pre 14 godina

very good!

the more things like this happen, the better!

all this will be more than useful when the time has come to liberate southern Serbia from those criminal elements!

you know, the media will be doing a good job in bringing this back to memory, when the greater-albanian terrorists start whining again.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Ataman wrote,

5) The old monument would be moved to a special "Milosevic freak ideas" theme park, in outskirts of, say, Prishtina and who want - can visit that park and scratch the head about the taste.

Building a memorial in memory of Tsar Lazar has nothing to do with Milosevic, Tadic or any other poltical leader. This Tsar is part of Serbian hisotry and no matter who builds a memorial to him, it does not make it a freak show.

So if Tadic is to build a memorial to a king from history would you call it a freak show then as well?

How about the memorial built to KLA fighters which was built right next door to a Serbian church which remains abandoned because there is nobody left there to worship in it?
Should this freak be removed and if so can you tell us how would that be possible without Albanians shedding more Serbian blood?

These two are very, very different memorials indeed. One honours a king from hisotory and the other people who have inflicted horrors on Serbs. Now which one is provocative?

Logics

pre 14 godina

It is pitty that some people do not understand some things.
I agree with one person here, that if it really was necessary to buldoze that thing for whatever purpose (urban constructions), they could wait to do that another day.
But, let we don't forget, that this monument was bulit in 1989, the year....we know who begun to pull Serbia down.
Lot of monuments have been built after that year, I can also mention a Church on the very soil of Prishtina's Library. I say: I am AGAINST demolishing that Church now, but I can not imagine building a religious objects on soils of any library in EU.

Steve JP

pre 14 godina

Let us get something straight: even if that monument was unwelcomed by the Kosovo Albanian Muslims, instead of being destroyed, it should have been removed intact, then given to the Serbs of Serbia. After all, in the year 1999, that area was Serbia by all accounts; the world recognized that area as Serbia in 1999. Over and over again, we see ethnic Muslims having no respect for the religions and cultures of other ethnic people and destroying another people's historical identity and personal property. And the USA should become ethical and quit supporting the ethnic Albanian imperialistic; totalitarian Kosova. The Ottoman Empire is over and even Turkey does not want the Ottoman Empire back. Turkey's consitution prohibits the return of the Ottoman Empire, and Turkey's army;military safeguards what the consitution embodies.

Freek

pre 14 godina

This memorial did not have to do anything with serb culture. It was all about Milosevic era, he had it build in 1999, this is not cultural heritage serbs should be proud of. In Srbija the government is also destroying everything left from Milosevic and his criminal friends. Why not in Kosovo to?

UK

pre 14 godina

My apologies.
If indeed the Serb comunity want to distance themselves from what the memorial represents then they should have arranged to have it removed. It would be interesting to find out how many Serb posters agree with that sentiment. If this proves to be the case then my previous comments will have been an ill informed mistake for which I apologise. Could I, in the spirit of fair comment and truthfulness, also ask all to give an honest and unbiased opinion on whether Kosovo is the multi ethnic utopia that is portrayed in the western press or are things a little different in reality? I hear stories of the numbers of Serbs who were displaced from Kosovo and who have yet to return and of the conditions that Serbs are living in presently under guard and in secure compounds. Is this true and if so is it the image of multi ethnicity?

ben

pre 14 godina

Sorry! just a typo.. doing things in hurry! My previous comment it should say:

Therefore any links with those dark days of the Serbian nationalism is just an act to be condemned. I just don't know what they've been waiting for over 10 years now???

instead of supported as obvious ;)

Ataman

pre 14 godina

I completely understand the Albanian problem here and I agree, that this kind of monument has to be removed. This is how it should be done MATURE, EUROPEAN way:

1) Ask EU for money. It never hurts. But watch closely, it goes to the right people!

2) Open a competition between local aspiring young artists (watch closely that all ethnic elements of Kosovo should be represented!) precisely on June 28, 2009. Use the money you got from EU.

3) After a deadline the people should vote for the best design of new monument.

4) At a reasonable date (how about June 28, 2010?) the new monument will be presented.

5) The old monument would be moved to a special "Milosevic freak ideas" theme park, in outskirts of, say, Prishtina and who want - can visit that park and scratch the head about the taste.

This was done in Budapest - here is the link, look at the collection of "communist" statues and this is how it is done CULTURAL, not BARBARIC way:

http://www.szoborpark.hu/index.php?Lang=en

With that attitude what do you think about EU membership? What do you think about ICJ opinion? You are your own worst enemies.

Aljosa

pre 14 godina

Since we're talking about the dark ages of the 90's, what happens to the KLA statues?
Surely there were thousands of terrorized and killed civilians under the KLA. Lets demolish those in the interest of reconciliation. These victims are still living in Kosovo and some are moving back, their struggles should also be respected.

Besim

pre 14 godina

In Kosova the old monument and cultural building will be protected but anything to do with the dark ages of the 90's will be raised to the ground. Is has been done already including some churches with no support and purpose from the locals. Even in UK if a building is not in use by locals soon is put down.

Adam

pre 14 godina

so? the statue was already destroyed, that remains and rubble was razed away is nothing different then all the other buildings and rubble that to this day is still being cleaned up.

Nothing more than a milosovic era monument, Built when the country was STILL supposed to be Yugoslavia.

Just because it was a tool of a mad regime doesnt make it the slightest bit special or worthy of respect.

peter, sydney

pre 14 godina

Ataman:
Not everybody gets your sense of humour ;)

ps: that the same park that was featured in an episode of 'the amazing race'?

pps: Liên Xô?

Albanes

pre 14 godina

Of course B92 is not reporting about thugs with Obraz t-shirts and "Death to Shiptars" chants as KPS stood guard. That is not good for inter-ethnic relations.

ben

pre 14 godina

These statues and celebration of Vidovdan etc are just products of the Serbian nationalism of the 90s.

The statues were build by Milosevic and his national-socialist regime.

Therefore any links with those dark days of the Serbian nationalism is just an act to be supported. I just don't know what they've been waiting for over 10 years now???

It is Serbs themselves that should distance from that primitive nationalism of 90s, let alone Albanians that were the victims.

All these theatre that we are witnessing today is the product of the Milosevic’s nationalism and never existed before. So why should we continua to cultivate a culture that brought to all of us so much pain??

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"Of course B92 is not reporting about thugs with Obraz t-shirts and "Death to Shiptars" chants as KPS stood guard."
Albanes

Even if your claim would be true (I doubt it), what does it have to do with the article? Another excuse to hide the truth about what is going on in Kosovo?

ben

pre 14 godina

Sorry! just a typo.. doing things in hurry! My previous comment it should say:

Therefore any links with those dark days of the Serbian nationalism is just an act to be condemned. I just don't know what they've been waiting for over 10 years now???

instead of supported as obvious ;)

Peggy

pre 14 godina

"If they intended to do this, the municipal authorities could at least have chosen another day, instead of one of the most important holidays for Kosovo's Serbs," said he.

But there was a reason why this day was chosen. To inflict maximum anguish.

I just watched a Canadian documentary "Kosovo - Can you imagine" and there is no doubt in my mind that persecution of Serbs will continue until they are all gone.
How is this present Serbian government preventing this? They simply are not. I don't care what lip service they give us, they are doing nothing to protect Serbian people of Kosovo, so how can we expect a monument to survive if people will not?

Besim

pre 14 godina

In Kosova the old monument and cultural building will be protected but anything to do with the dark ages of the 90's will be raised to the ground. Is has been done already including some churches with no support and purpose from the locals. Even in UK if a building is not in use by locals soon is put down.

european

pre 14 godina

People read the article!
"The memorial was built along with a statue of Tsar Lazar on the 600th anniversary of the battle. The statue was demolished in 1999, after the arrival of NATO troops to the province, the news agency reports."

The "memorial" was a milosevic construction to intimidate the local population AND it was destroyed in 1999!!! Listening to posters here one might think that a 600 year old piece of historical treasure was just demolished by blood thirsty Albanians in order to upset Serbs - ridiculous.

Adam

pre 14 godina

so? the statue was already destroyed, that remains and rubble was razed away is nothing different then all the other buildings and rubble that to this day is still being cleaned up.

Nothing more than a milosovic era monument, Built when the country was STILL supposed to be Yugoslavia.

Just because it was a tool of a mad regime doesnt make it the slightest bit special or worthy of respect.

Freek

pre 14 godina

This memorial did not have to do anything with serb culture. It was all about Milosevic era, he had it build in 1999, this is not cultural heritage serbs should be proud of. In Srbija the government is also destroying everything left from Milosevic and his criminal friends. Why not in Kosovo to?

Logics

pre 14 godina

It is pitty that some people do not understand some things.
I agree with one person here, that if it really was necessary to buldoze that thing for whatever purpose (urban constructions), they could wait to do that another day.
But, let we don't forget, that this monument was bulit in 1989, the year....we know who begun to pull Serbia down.
Lot of monuments have been built after that year, I can also mention a Church on the very soil of Prishtina's Library. I say: I am AGAINST demolishing that Church now, but I can not imagine building a religious objects on soils of any library in EU.

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

Is there any reason as to why this happened? Doesn't say in the article, but I can't imagine a valid reason to go and demolish something that means something to a particular ethnic group.

Wasn't one of the rules laid down by the international community to respect the rights of the minorities of Kosovo, because this is denying the minority the right to heritage and past.

Very sad indeed. I thought the idea of Kosovo was to create a multiethnic country with full rights for all, not Greater Albania.

peter, sydney

pre 14 godina

"People read the article!
"The memorial was built along with a statue of Tsar Lazar on the 600th anniversary of the battle. The statue was demolished in 1999, after the arrival of NATO troops to the province, the news agency reports."

The "memorial" was a milosevic construction to intimidate the local population AND it was destroyed in 1999!!! Listening to posters here one might think that a 600 year old piece of historical treasure was just demolished by blood thirsty Albanians in order to upset Serbs - ridiculous.
(european, 29 June 2009 12:37) "

Would suggest you take your own advice.

The fact that the memorial was built during the Milosevic era & that he capitalised on the sentiment associated with 1389 in order to push his own agenda in no way renders the 600th anniversary of the event any less relevant to most serbs.

The fact is that the memorial was bulldozed 'on the anniversary' of that battle by the K-albanians to intimidate the remaining serb population.

And the only way it could 'intimidate' K-albanians is by reminding them of the historical links serbs have to Kosovo.

Unless of course, K-albanians are afraid of some marble inscribed with words about a 600 year old battle.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Ataman wrote,

5) The old monument would be moved to a special "Milosevic freak ideas" theme park, in outskirts of, say, Prishtina and who want - can visit that park and scratch the head about the taste.

Building a memorial in memory of Tsar Lazar has nothing to do with Milosevic, Tadic or any other poltical leader. This Tsar is part of Serbian hisotry and no matter who builds a memorial to him, it does not make it a freak show.

So if Tadic is to build a memorial to a king from history would you call it a freak show then as well?

How about the memorial built to KLA fighters which was built right next door to a Serbian church which remains abandoned because there is nobody left there to worship in it?
Should this freak be removed and if so can you tell us how would that be possible without Albanians shedding more Serbian blood?

These two are very, very different memorials indeed. One honours a king from hisotory and the other people who have inflicted horrors on Serbs. Now which one is provocative?

Ataman

pre 14 godina

I completely understand the Albanian problem here and I agree, that this kind of monument has to be removed. This is how it should be done MATURE, EUROPEAN way:

1) Ask EU for money. It never hurts. But watch closely, it goes to the right people!

2) Open a competition between local aspiring young artists (watch closely that all ethnic elements of Kosovo should be represented!) precisely on June 28, 2009. Use the money you got from EU.

3) After a deadline the people should vote for the best design of new monument.

4) At a reasonable date (how about June 28, 2010?) the new monument will be presented.

5) The old monument would be moved to a special "Milosevic freak ideas" theme park, in outskirts of, say, Prishtina and who want - can visit that park and scratch the head about the taste.

This was done in Budapest - here is the link, look at the collection of "communist" statues and this is how it is done CULTURAL, not BARBARIC way:

http://www.szoborpark.hu/index.php?Lang=en

With that attitude what do you think about EU membership? What do you think about ICJ opinion? You are your own worst enemies.

Vidov Dan

pre 14 godina

I would make those reponsible put it right back up again on a much larger and grander scale and make them pay for it out of their own pockets.

Culture preservation - where is the protection force now. Surely this was a clear message.....

Jovan

pre 14 godina

very good!

the more things like this happen, the better!

all this will be more than useful when the time has come to liberate southern Serbia from those criminal elements!

you know, the media will be doing a good job in bringing this back to memory, when the greater-albanian terrorists start whining again.

UK

pre 14 godina

"If they intended to do this, the municipal authorities could at least have chosen another day, instead of one of the most important holidays for Kosovo's Serbs," said he.

But there was a reason why this day was chosen. To inflict maximum anguish.

It will be interesting to see if this blatant act of discriminatory vandalism and ethnic bullying warrants any coverage here in the UK. So much has been written and broadcast here in Uk about how "multi-ethnic" Kosovo is these days and how the NATO bombing paved the way for a truely more peaceful, stable and tolerant Kosovo. I wonder if the West will sit up and start to realise what is actually happening today. I am amazed that so many Western politicians are either so blind to the realities or choose to ignore them for the sake of some alterior motive? Multi-ethnicity is a very nice ideal but to achieve it everyone in Kosovo must really want it. I wonder how much ALL sides actually want it?

Jason

pre 14 godina

Just wanted to echo another comment made previously that however unpleasant this monument was to the Albanians living in Kosovo it is completely unacceptable and downright disgraceful to have it bulldozed on such a day. I am from Canada where many ethnicities live together and I strongly stand behind principles of equality and respect for all people and can't believe Western governments, like my own, have claimed Kosovo to be a model...for anything.
On a side note, I have been travelling through Europe for the first time and just arrived in Belgrade last night - just would like to say what an amazing place it is. What a beautiful city and amazing people. I'm honoured to be a guest here.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"It would be interesting to find out how many Serb posters agree with that sentiment"
UK

A majority of Serbs disslike Milosevic and everything he stood for. He brought Serbia nothing but war and isolation. However, Serbs in Kosovo have other problems to worry about other then a Milosevic era memorial. Kosovo Serbs live under extreeme conditions and to worry about this memorial when they can't even go to the market without risking their lives is asking for too much.

Steve JP

pre 14 godina

Let us get something straight: even if that monument was unwelcomed by the Kosovo Albanian Muslims, instead of being destroyed, it should have been removed intact, then given to the Serbs of Serbia. After all, in the year 1999, that area was Serbia by all accounts; the world recognized that area as Serbia in 1999. Over and over again, we see ethnic Muslims having no respect for the religions and cultures of other ethnic people and destroying another people's historical identity and personal property. And the USA should become ethical and quit supporting the ethnic Albanian imperialistic; totalitarian Kosova. The Ottoman Empire is over and even Turkey does not want the Ottoman Empire back. Turkey's consitution prohibits the return of the Ottoman Empire, and Turkey's army;military safeguards what the consitution embodies.

peter, sydney

pre 14 godina

Ataman:
Not everybody gets your sense of humour ;)

ps: that the same park that was featured in an episode of 'the amazing race'?

pps: Liên Xô?

UK

pre 14 godina

My apologies.
If indeed the Serb comunity want to distance themselves from what the memorial represents then they should have arranged to have it removed. It would be interesting to find out how many Serb posters agree with that sentiment. If this proves to be the case then my previous comments will have been an ill informed mistake for which I apologise. Could I, in the spirit of fair comment and truthfulness, also ask all to give an honest and unbiased opinion on whether Kosovo is the multi ethnic utopia that is portrayed in the western press or are things a little different in reality? I hear stories of the numbers of Serbs who were displaced from Kosovo and who have yet to return and of the conditions that Serbs are living in presently under guard and in secure compounds. Is this true and if so is it the image of multi ethnicity?

Aljosa

pre 14 godina

Since we're talking about the dark ages of the 90's, what happens to the KLA statues?
Surely there were thousands of terrorized and killed civilians under the KLA. Lets demolish those in the interest of reconciliation. These victims are still living in Kosovo and some are moving back, their struggles should also be respected.