Sarkozy commends progress in Kosovo

Mr Nicolas Sarkozy must have been under the influence of some strong stuff when he said this. Has he been to Kosovo lately? No! But then again his country is one of those that is occupying this part of Serbia so I wouldn't expect anything else to come out of his mouth. All he is doing is justifying the occupation of Serbian land. Serbs probably have to accept loosing some parts of Kosovo but we will do our best to keep what we got for now. We waited 500 years for the turks to leave, we can wait 500 more.

if "affirming itself on the international scene" means being "recognized" by merely independent island-republics - then okay, let´s say yes.

but, being realistic, that is nothing of real importance and speaking of any kind of irreversibility is simply not honest ( towards the Albanians )

to me, it seems like that is just another nice clap on the head in the"you are a nice kid"-style. just like when an adult is speaking some friendly words to a foreign child.

but that again is a clear sign of the opposite: there is no serious talk about "independence" or "sovereignty", it´s just showing that this cripple-entity that they use to call a "state" is just a stillborn freak-creation without a real future-perspective.

I´d be interested whether the french official had some vodka´s before writing that letter... =)

our dear albanian friends here will start to praise the french president as an icon of democracy and their "state" as a success-story, of course.

but deep inside, they know that this is simply not the case.

Kosovo has a long ways to go before "European" values are politically and institiontally achieved.

Keep dreaming Sarkozy! Humble pie is on its way.

Kosova has indeed afirmed itself nicely but this is thanks to Serbia too, especially to Jeremic. He has informed the entire world that Kosova has declared Independence. Same goes for posters in here and other sites.
No matter what a minority of Serbs say people recognise that a new state faces difficulties.

Merci Sarkozy! You are one of few leaders in the democratic world who dares to speak the truth.

blahblahblah...

You like to tell sweet little lies to each other Mr Sarkozy. You do make a lovely couple.

I specifically want to thank Mr. Jeremic and all the staff at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Serbia for doing an outstanding job in promoting Kosovo's independence. Even paid lobbyists couldn't have done a better job. Please keep visiting more countries so that they recognize as soon as you leave.

Little language lession first.

Hungarian "sz" is pronounced like "s"/"с", Hungarian "s" is pronounced like š/sh/"ш". Thus the original name is of course "Sárközi", pron. "Шааркёзи"/"Шааркjози". The role of proper tonality (length of vowels, correct consonants) is extremely important in the language - here it is not dissimilar to Chinese, but otherwise it's very far from Chinese of course. A little change and certain things will go upside-down. Not an easy language, some say it's harder to learn than Chinese and my mom is the witness.

Why I am saying it... the way French (and the entire world) pronounce his name (should be transliterated back to Hungarian as "Szarközi") is at the same time the judging of the "progress" hitting France hard during his rule.

I won't translate what the current official pronouncing in French (= "Szarközi") does mean in Hungarian because B92 will censor it. But it fits him just right. ;)

Ataman

Over the last year I have been asked severel times how his name is pronounced.I explained people but told them to be free to continue prounancing the way they had done so far becuse that reflects the reality.
Nomen est omen.Some entertaintment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXpLB0ckTxw

Isn't enough for you mr.Jeremic?

Bulgaria arrests former Kosovo premier Ceku on Serbian warrant
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/printer_1485444.php

By DPA

Pristina - Kosovo's former prime minister Agim Ceku was arrested for the third time on a Serbian Interpol warrant Tuesday, this time in the Bulgarian capital Sofia, a spokesman said in Pristina.

'He has been arrested and will be released in two or three hours, said the spokesman for Ceku's opposition Social Democratic Party, Gazim Kasapolli.

Ceku was presumably being held on an international warrant issued in 2002 by Serbia. He had already been arrested on the same warrant in Slovenia and Hungary in 2003 and 2004, and faced problems elsewhere, as when Columbia expelled him last year.

He was released each time without being extradited to Serbia, which wants to try him for war crimes allegedly committed by troops under his command.

Serbia issued arrest warrants for several other Kosovo Albanian leaders, including the current premier, Hashim Thaci. Ethnic Albanians are a 90-per cent majority in Kosovo.

Ceku, 59, was the top commander of the Kosovo Albanian insurgent army which fought Serbia until NATO became involved in 1999, eventually ousting Belgrade's security forces.

After nine years under a United Nations administration, Kosovo last year proclaimed independence and was recognized by leading Western powers, including the United States and most of the European Union nations, among them Bulgaria.

A career soldier who deserted the Yugoslav People's Army while serving in Croatia in 1991, he was the first commander of the fledgling defence forces and the territory's non-partisan prime minister between March 2006 and January 2008.

CEKU, "THE SNAKE" THACI AND HARADINAJ ALL BELONG IN JAIL!

KOSOVO AND METOHIJA IS SERBIA!

What is wrong with having an Hungarian surname Attaman?
By the way, do you know what "attaman" means and where it comes from?

Rysk

Ataman did not have a problem with the fact that Sárközy has a hungarian surname,he simply indicated that it has a very ugly meaning if it is pronounced the way most non-hungarians do.

What is wrong with having an Hungarian surname Attaman?
(Rysk, 23 June 2009 19:30)

Nothing, here around me almost everyone has. But they do not mean anything ugly. The way French pronounce "Sárközy" means somewhat pretty ugly in Hungarian and everyone here likes to make a joke about it because Sárközi is pretty unpopular in the homeland of his ancestors.

One of the reason he is so unpopular - he renounced his connection to Hungary many times in public. Imagine, your family name is "Berisha" and you say in public several time "screw Albania". Than don't wonder, they will tell "screw you than, you bastard".

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By the way, do you know what "attaman" means and where it comes from?
(Rysk, 23 June 2009 19:30)
Yes, there are several meanings. Mine here refers to my chosen profession and it's a play of words. I am not aware to have a cossack ancestor - but who knows?

I won't translate what the current official pronouncing in French (= "Szarközi") does mean in Hungarian because B92 will censor it. But it fits him just right. ;)
(Ataman, 23 June 2009 12:41)

Ataman, e sincere question? Why do Hungarians in Serbia, when not daring to challenge Trianon, release their frustration and jealousy towards Kosovars who dared to challenge Serbia. I believe you are the best example for this.

You see, I am a Kosovar and know Hungary and Hungarians very well. And I also believe to know exactly why are you so cynical when it comes to Kosovo. I have discussed this with many many Hungarian friends (for Vojvodina Hungarians in general). They all assured me it is the above reasons!?

Georgian had one great advantage in developing its complexity - its speakers apparently settled down in the Paleolithic and stayed in one place and concentrated on elaborating their grammatical system. Meanwhile, the rest of us wandered around over the millenia, losing focus, not to mention cases.
(Amer, 24 June 2009 11:37)

Thanks, very-very good comment. But Hungarian isn't "average European" rather "average Uralic/Mesopotamian/Siberian/Altaian" case. In that wast area - even on Indian sub-continent languages with similar structure are very common. All respect to Georgians - they indeed seem to be one of very few who decided settle only once and it was a while ago.

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Ataman, e sincere question? Why do Hungarians in Serbia, when not daring to challenge Trianon, release their frustration and jealousy towards Kosovars who dared to challenge Serbia. I believe you are the best example for this.
(hmmm, 24 June 2009 14:02)

Sincere question = sincere answer.

Indeed - Hungarians from Vojvodina can be much worse towards Albanians than even Serbs, while Hungarians from Hungary or Romania have neutral attitude. I did experience it once (2006) in the train. It was a local train from Novi Sad to Subotica and people (I did not see a single Serb in our car) asked me where I am from. I do not like to say the truth way to loudly, I told someone, I am working in "A" country. (I did mean: America). They misunderstood and it was a little uproar, how come (they did think: "Albania"). After clarification they were happy, otherwise they were ready to quasi "excommunicate" me.

This does not exist in Hungary; it's rather neutral here. But it does exist in Croatia (sometimes even stronger than in Serbia!) - rarely in Slovenia. In general, attitude of Slovenians seem to be more positive than of anyone, including Hungarians in Hungary.

I am not from Vojvodina. And I am as much Russian as Hungarian and surprise - American. Who am I (Russian, American or Hungarian) at a given moment is unpredictable, but I like to b***ch about all three once in a while, that usually makes Russians, Americans or some Hungarians here angry (they shouldn't, it's merely "Cyrano-thing"). I am not to happy see OTHERS being anti-American, anti-Russian or anti-Hungarian - but I allow myself. ;)

If you notice, my antipathy goes usually towards government(s) or institutions. Serbian government receives it's share, too - but so far the least because IMO the current government is a one-eyed among the blind.

I would lie if I would not admit, I have few problem with many Albanians who frequent this side.

- the nationalism, they sometimes call it "our religion is Albanism". I understand, being an "underdog" for 1000 years is not a good thing, but this kind of nationalism is thing of the past in rest of Europe and it is very alien for me.

- perhaps the same: in every topic there will be an Albanian "trolling" comment, like Kosovo or Albania would be the center of universe. It's of course not. And sometimes they would achieve more with less. With that many people will be simply alienated.

' Not an easy language, some say it's harder to learn than Chinese and my mom is the witness.'

I don't know about Chinese, but Hungarian is definitely easier than Georgian. At least the subject doesn't change its ending (case-equivalent) in different tenses. And even though Hungarian runs everything it wants to say about a noun into one stuck-on mess at the end, it does keep it all in one place, unlike Georgian which distributes elements tastefully throughout the word. Nor does Hungarian have have Arabic-type gutturals. In fact, an early American linguist classified Hungarian (rather dismissively, I thought) as an "S.A.E." - Standard Average European language. Both, of course, are habitually spoken much too fast by native speakers.

Georgian had one great advantage in developing its complexity - its speakers apparently settled down in the Paleolithic and stayed in one place and concentrated on elaborating their grammatical system. Meanwhile, the rest of us wandered around over the millenia, losing focus, not to mention cases.

Mr Nicolas Sarkozy must have been under the influence of some strong stuff when he said this. Has he been to Kosovo lately? No! But then again his country is one of those that is occupying this part of Serbia so I wouldn't expect anything else to come out of his mouth. All he is doing is justifying the occupation of Serbian land. Serbs probably have to accept loosing some parts of Kosovo but we will do our best to keep what we got for now. We waited 500 years for the turks to leave, we can wait 500 more.

if "affirming itself on the international scene" means being "recognized" by merely independent island-republics - then okay, let´s say yes.

but, being realistic, that is nothing of real importance and speaking of any kind of irreversibility is simply not honest ( towards the Albanians )

to me, it seems like that is just another nice clap on the head in the"you are a nice kid"-style. just like when an adult is speaking some friendly words to a foreign child.

but that again is a clear sign of the opposite: there is no serious talk about "independence" or "sovereignty", it´s just showing that this cripple-entity that they use to call a "state" is just a stillborn freak-creation without a real future-perspective.

I´d be interested whether the french official had some vodka´s before writing that letter... =)

our dear albanian friends here will start to praise the french president as an icon of democracy and their "state" as a success-story, of course.

but deep inside, they know that this is simply not the case.

Keep dreaming Sarkozy! Humble pie is on its way.

blahblahblah...

Kosovo has a long ways to go before "European" values are politically and institiontally achieved.

Little language lession first.

Hungarian "sz" is pronounced like "s"/"с", Hungarian "s" is pronounced like š/sh/"ш". Thus the original name is of course "Sárközi", pron. "Шааркёзи"/"Шааркjози". The role of proper tonality (length of vowels, correct consonants) is extremely important in the language - here it is not dissimilar to Chinese, but otherwise it's very far from Chinese of course. A little change and certain things will go upside-down. Not an easy language, some say it's harder to learn than Chinese and my mom is the witness.

Why I am saying it... the way French (and the entire world) pronounce his name (should be transliterated back to Hungarian as "Szarközi") is at the same time the judging of the "progress" hitting France hard during his rule.

I won't translate what the current official pronouncing in French (= "Szarközi") does mean in Hungarian because B92 will censor it. But it fits him just right. ;)

Merci Sarkozy! You are one of few leaders in the democratic world who dares to speak the truth.

Kosova has indeed afirmed itself nicely but this is thanks to Serbia too, especially to Jeremic. He has informed the entire world that Kosova has declared Independence. Same goes for posters in here and other sites.
No matter what a minority of Serbs say people recognise that a new state faces difficulties.

You like to tell sweet little lies to each other Mr Sarkozy. You do make a lovely couple.

Bulgaria arrests former Kosovo premier Ceku on Serbian warrant
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/printer_1485444.php

By DPA

Pristina - Kosovo's former prime minister Agim Ceku was arrested for the third time on a Serbian Interpol warrant Tuesday, this time in the Bulgarian capital Sofia, a spokesman said in Pristina.

'He has been arrested and will be released in two or three hours, said the spokesman for Ceku's opposition Social Democratic Party, Gazim Kasapolli.

Ceku was presumably being held on an international warrant issued in 2002 by Serbia. He had already been arrested on the same warrant in Slovenia and Hungary in 2003 and 2004, and faced problems elsewhere, as when Columbia expelled him last year.

He was released each time without being extradited to Serbia, which wants to try him for war crimes allegedly committed by troops under his command.

Serbia issued arrest warrants for several other Kosovo Albanian leaders, including the current premier, Hashim Thaci. Ethnic Albanians are a 90-per cent majority in Kosovo.

Ceku, 59, was the top commander of the Kosovo Albanian insurgent army which fought Serbia until NATO became involved in 1999, eventually ousting Belgrade's security forces.

After nine years under a United Nations administration, Kosovo last year proclaimed independence and was recognized by leading Western powers, including the United States and most of the European Union nations, among them Bulgaria.

A career soldier who deserted the Yugoslav People's Army while serving in Croatia in 1991, he was the first commander of the fledgling defence forces and the territory's non-partisan prime minister between March 2006 and January 2008.

CEKU, "THE SNAKE" THACI AND HARADINAJ ALL BELONG IN JAIL!

KOSOVO AND METOHIJA IS SERBIA!

I specifically want to thank Mr. Jeremic and all the staff at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Serbia for doing an outstanding job in promoting Kosovo's independence. Even paid lobbyists couldn't have done a better job. Please keep visiting more countries so that they recognize as soon as you leave.

Isn't enough for you mr.Jeremic?

I won't translate what the current official pronouncing in French (= "Szarközi") does mean in Hungarian because B92 will censor it. But it fits him just right. ;)
(Ataman, 23 June 2009 12:41)

Ataman, e sincere question? Why do Hungarians in Serbia, when not daring to challenge Trianon, release their frustration and jealousy towards Kosovars who dared to challenge Serbia. I believe you are the best example for this.

You see, I am a Kosovar and know Hungary and Hungarians very well. And I also believe to know exactly why are you so cynical when it comes to Kosovo. I have discussed this with many many Hungarian friends (for Vojvodina Hungarians in general). They all assured me it is the above reasons!?

What is wrong with having an Hungarian surname Attaman?
By the way, do you know what "attaman" means and where it comes from?

Rysk

Ataman did not have a problem with the fact that Sárközy has a hungarian surname,he simply indicated that it has a very ugly meaning if it is pronounced the way most non-hungarians do.

What is wrong with having an Hungarian surname Attaman?
(Rysk, 23 June 2009 19:30)

Nothing, here around me almost everyone has. But they do not mean anything ugly. The way French pronounce "Sárközy" means somewhat pretty ugly in Hungarian and everyone here likes to make a joke about it because Sárközi is pretty unpopular in the homeland of his ancestors.

One of the reason he is so unpopular - he renounced his connection to Hungary many times in public. Imagine, your family name is "Berisha" and you say in public several time "screw Albania". Than don't wonder, they will tell "screw you than, you bastard".

--------

By the way, do you know what "attaman" means and where it comes from?
(Rysk, 23 June 2009 19:30)
Yes, there are several meanings. Mine here refers to my chosen profession and it's a play of words. I am not aware to have a cossack ancestor - but who knows?

Ataman

Over the last year I have been asked severel times how his name is pronounced.I explained people but told them to be free to continue prounancing the way they had done so far becuse that reflects the reality.
Nomen est omen.Some entertaintment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXpLB0ckTxw

' Not an easy language, some say it's harder to learn than Chinese and my mom is the witness.'

I don't know about Chinese, but Hungarian is definitely easier than Georgian. At least the subject doesn't change its ending (case-equivalent) in different tenses. And even though Hungarian runs everything it wants to say about a noun into one stuck-on mess at the end, it does keep it all in one place, unlike Georgian which distributes elements tastefully throughout the word. Nor does Hungarian have have Arabic-type gutturals. In fact, an early American linguist classified Hungarian (rather dismissively, I thought) as an "S.A.E." - Standard Average European language. Both, of course, are habitually spoken much too fast by native speakers.

Georgian had one great advantage in developing its complexity - its speakers apparently settled down in the Paleolithic and stayed in one place and concentrated on elaborating their grammatical system. Meanwhile, the rest of us wandered around over the millenia, losing focus, not to mention cases.

Georgian had one great advantage in developing its complexity - its speakers apparently settled down in the Paleolithic and stayed in one place and concentrated on elaborating their grammatical system. Meanwhile, the rest of us wandered around over the millenia, losing focus, not to mention cases.
(Amer, 24 June 2009 11:37)

Thanks, very-very good comment. But Hungarian isn't "average European" rather "average Uralic/Mesopotamian/Siberian/Altaian" case. In that wast area - even on Indian sub-continent languages with similar structure are very common. All respect to Georgians - they indeed seem to be one of very few who decided settle only once and it was a while ago.

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Ataman, e sincere question? Why do Hungarians in Serbia, when not daring to challenge Trianon, release their frustration and jealousy towards Kosovars who dared to challenge Serbia. I believe you are the best example for this.
(hmmm, 24 June 2009 14:02)

Sincere question = sincere answer.

Indeed - Hungarians from Vojvodina can be much worse towards Albanians than even Serbs, while Hungarians from Hungary or Romania have neutral attitude. I did experience it once (2006) in the train. It was a local train from Novi Sad to Subotica and people (I did not see a single Serb in our car) asked me where I am from. I do not like to say the truth way to loudly, I told someone, I am working in "A" country. (I did mean: America). They misunderstood and it was a little uproar, how come (they did think: "Albania"). After clarification they were happy, otherwise they were ready to quasi "excommunicate" me.

This does not exist in Hungary; it's rather neutral here. But it does exist in Croatia (sometimes even stronger than in Serbia!) - rarely in Slovenia. In general, attitude of Slovenians seem to be more positive than of anyone, including Hungarians in Hungary.

I am not from Vojvodina. And I am as much Russian as Hungarian and surprise - American. Who am I (Russian, American or Hungarian) at a given moment is unpredictable, but I like to b***ch about all three once in a while, that usually makes Russians, Americans or some Hungarians here angry (they shouldn't, it's merely "Cyrano-thing"). I am not to happy see OTHERS being anti-American, anti-Russian or anti-Hungarian - but I allow myself. ;)

If you notice, my antipathy goes usually towards government(s) or institutions. Serbian government receives it's share, too - but so far the least because IMO the current government is a one-eyed among the blind.

I would lie if I would not admit, I have few problem with many Albanians who frequent this side.

- the nationalism, they sometimes call it "our religion is Albanism". I understand, being an "underdog" for 1000 years is not a good thing, but this kind of nationalism is thing of the past in rest of Europe and it is very alien for me.

- perhaps the same: in every topic there will be an Albanian "trolling" comment, like Kosovo or Albania would be the center of universe. It's of course not. And sometimes they would achieve more with less. With that many people will be simply alienated.