Police attacked at Roma wedding

This kind of incident happens in hungary on weekly basis.This is the result of so called badly planned positiv discrimination.And mainly not gypsies are to blame for it.They have been spoilt by NGOs,selectiv human rights organizations and extreme liberals.My mother was robbed by gypsies 4 times within one year and a half(now she dares to go to bank or atm only accompanied by me or other family member.)
When she went to police headqurters to report incident she was told that police got an 'ukaz' from somewhere up not to be hard with gypsies.It semems that in some core countries of EU people loose their temper easier.Think about Gypsy communities in the outskirts of Rome attacked jointly by anyway archival AS roma and Lazio fans or the recent incidents in Belfast.

szemi your stories are unheard of in Serbia. I would suggest that your problems are more to do with your country rather than gyspies.

For example I was robbed by a black man in London and no doubt if I had gone back to that same area it would have happened again. That problem is to do with British society just as your problems are to do with your society.

And no, you won't find me raving against blacks or gangster rap. Its easy to look at the end result, its not so easy to look at the fundamental cause - discrimination by the majority population in the first place.

Matthew,

Well shooting in the air is not a crime but poining gun at policeman falls into this category.

Sounds to me like a tragic drunken misunderstanding. At my sister-in-laws wedding we were shooting guns in the air all day and night, even at the restaurant. Belgrade is a little different than the village, but I heard plenty of shooting in the air during basketball championships in Belgrade too.

Szemi, this doesn’t sound like a criminal act to me in the least and I think it could have happened to anyone out there.

Szemi,

Let me clarify. I highly doubt anyone would be stupid enough to intentionally point a gun at the police, that’s just asking to die. It just sounds like a tragic accident is all. I hold no blame towards the police in this case. They were around drunk people with guns, and if they felt threatened, they had to take action.

The thought just did occur to me that it might have been possible the person was a wanted criminal and did maybe intend to point the gun at police, however, it still feels to me like a typical common incident (wedding celebration) gone awry.

bganon,
Just to help you http://www.javno.com/hr-sport/ubijen-cozma-pesic-izboden-nozem-u-madjarskoj_232139 in this story those who commited these crimes were gypsies.This kind of stories happen in hungary on weekly bases and if in this case the media reported about it only because the victims were famous handball players.A lot tells about the situation that the place was full of hungarians who did not dare to interfere(one reason is of course that as a half hungarian I must admit that serbs,romanians and croats are much braver kind,the other that hungarians have much worse experience with this kind of gangsters).All my credit goes to Urovski Vili(serb) who was not mentioned in this story but as it turned out later he was the one who took Pesis(croat) on his shoulder to nerby hospital and got a life-saving award.(a good example for all serbs and croats that you still can fight for each other).So all in all most of similar stories are unreported by media out of politically correct reasons,but somehow people learn about these stories and as result of this denial of media and political elite many people feel (quite wrongly) that the other bad namely far-right is the only solution(jobbik see last week EP elections and Magyar Gárda).And as to my mother she is a pensioner and well mainly female pensioners are victims of such crimes almost everywhere in Hungary not only in certain areas like in London .So I really do not overeract the situation.As to being unheard in Serbia well I have different experience.When I go to BG my serb friends listen to this and understand since they Have learned in the last 2 decades what it is to be a victim of one sided media reports and judgments.

szemi your stories are unheard of in Serbia. I would suggest that your problems are more to do with your country rather than gyspies.
(bganon, 21 June 2009 14:05)

My local "spies" tell me, the "affirmative action" and "positive discrimination" towards gypsies is the day-to-day reality in Serbia precisely like in Hungary. That includes hiding the ethnic background of criminals in the news. Some family names can say a lot and both Serbian and Hungarian police try to "soften" the effect in the fear, the other people would go hard on innocent Roms. That is not baseless - it happens pretty often.

In any case I know Hungarian gypsies who landed up in Silicon Valley. Unlike us, it's not a good idea for them to return to East/Central Europe. They should (and will) become 100% American - sadly unlike others they have no choice.

I saw some Gypsy kids steal a cake once in Banja Luka...

Ataman I've never heard of a single case of Roma robbing a Serb, and like you, I get around. Perhaps if I searched the newspapers for some months back I might find a case?

Have you?

Szemi claims his mother was robbed 4 times??? Either there is an epidemic in Hugary or I live a very sheltered life.

This blocking out of names is supposed to be used for underage kids. But quite often the dumb media names the surname elsewhere in the report and then goes back to initials later...

OK szemi I accept that there is some kind of problem.
My point is that these types of problems with gypsies in Serbia do not happen - that is not because of the media, god knows the gutter press would jump on a bandwagon if there was one.

I am talking about not just the media but my own experience and the experience of those I am in contact with. I have yet to hear a story about a single person in Serbia being robbed by a gypsy.

And it one thing to know what it is like to be on the 'wrong' end of media reports, but if your Serbian friends have heard of such stories they would have mentioned them and you would have told me about them.

In fact of far more concern is Serbia is the way that so called 'unhygenic' settlements are being destroyed in a short time period with no rehousing.

I don't know perhaps we are following the Hungarian expample of some years ago with gypsies. After a decade or so of this type of treatment Serbian gypsies could become more aggressive.

Having said that you would think this after so many thousands of gypsies were displaced from Kosovo. One might think they would form powerful criminal gangs (I don't mean gangs of beggars) or something. I haven't heard of this either.

Ataman I've never heard of a single case of Roma robbing a Serb, and like you, I get around. Perhaps if I searched the newspapers for some months back I might find a case?

Have you?

(bganon, 22 June 2009 15:31)

What kind of ethnic people made their earning by showing villagers dancing bears and trained monkeys all over Austro-Hungary and Ottoman empire? What is the explanation of "Majmunovic" family name?

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=58462

Not necessarily all "Majmunovic" are Roms, but the chance is higher than average. We can't say much in the above tragic case, but it's suspicious. And way to much reminds me of the case with Romanian athlete.

Tragic is that this makes the life of Rom community so difficult, but at one point certain parts of it have to work harder to change.

Interestingly there is a good number of Roms who just try to show the "change" so hard. It is very typical for them to take bath and change clothes many times a day and drive around in FRESHLY DETAILED vehicles. The cleanest cars in the village are ones belonging to some Roms, not the ones with German or US plates (ooooopsss!)

Unfortunately it is not as appreciated as they would expect. This is my observation and here the local population is guilty as charged. I feel very sorry for these Roms and because of such pressure the only place they can feel being "Hungarian" is USA or Canada. :(

Once in BG I was witnessing a very sweet scene: a Rom shopkeeper lady in (mostly) Chinese market (Gagarin boulevard) was teaching Chinese shopkeepers some Rom songs - and the Chinese were not shy to try. So the situation in Serbia is maybe more relaxed than in Hungary - but still tense.

szemi your stories are unheard of in Serbia. I would suggest that your problems are more to do with your country rather than gyspies.

For example I was robbed by a black man in London and no doubt if I had gone back to that same area it would have happened again. That problem is to do with British society just as your problems are to do with your society.

And no, you won't find me raving against blacks or gangster rap. Its easy to look at the end result, its not so easy to look at the fundamental cause - discrimination by the majority population in the first place.

This kind of incident happens in hungary on weekly basis.This is the result of so called badly planned positiv discrimination.And mainly not gypsies are to blame for it.They have been spoilt by NGOs,selectiv human rights organizations and extreme liberals.My mother was robbed by gypsies 4 times within one year and a half(now she dares to go to bank or atm only accompanied by me or other family member.)
When she went to police headqurters to report incident she was told that police got an 'ukaz' from somewhere up not to be hard with gypsies.It semems that in some core countries of EU people loose their temper easier.Think about Gypsy communities in the outskirts of Rome attacked jointly by anyway archival AS roma and Lazio fans or the recent incidents in Belfast.

Sounds to me like a tragic drunken misunderstanding. At my sister-in-laws wedding we were shooting guns in the air all day and night, even at the restaurant. Belgrade is a little different than the village, but I heard plenty of shooting in the air during basketball championships in Belgrade too.

Szemi, this doesn’t sound like a criminal act to me in the least and I think it could have happened to anyone out there.

Ataman I've never heard of a single case of Roma robbing a Serb, and like you, I get around. Perhaps if I searched the newspapers for some months back I might find a case?

Have you?

Szemi claims his mother was robbed 4 times??? Either there is an epidemic in Hugary or I live a very sheltered life.

This blocking out of names is supposed to be used for underage kids. But quite often the dumb media names the surname elsewhere in the report and then goes back to initials later...

Szemi,

Let me clarify. I highly doubt anyone would be stupid enough to intentionally point a gun at the police, that’s just asking to die. It just sounds like a tragic accident is all. I hold no blame towards the police in this case. They were around drunk people with guns, and if they felt threatened, they had to take action.

The thought just did occur to me that it might have been possible the person was a wanted criminal and did maybe intend to point the gun at police, however, it still feels to me like a typical common incident (wedding celebration) gone awry.

Matthew,

Well shooting in the air is not a crime but poining gun at policeman falls into this category.

szemi your stories are unheard of in Serbia. I would suggest that your problems are more to do with your country rather than gyspies.
(bganon, 21 June 2009 14:05)

My local "spies" tell me, the "affirmative action" and "positive discrimination" towards gypsies is the day-to-day reality in Serbia precisely like in Hungary. That includes hiding the ethnic background of criminals in the news. Some family names can say a lot and both Serbian and Hungarian police try to "soften" the effect in the fear, the other people would go hard on innocent Roms. That is not baseless - it happens pretty often.

In any case I know Hungarian gypsies who landed up in Silicon Valley. Unlike us, it's not a good idea for them to return to East/Central Europe. They should (and will) become 100% American - sadly unlike others they have no choice.

I saw some Gypsy kids steal a cake once in Banja Luka...

bganon,
Just to help you http://www.javno.com/hr-sport/ubijen-cozma-pesic-izboden-nozem-u-madjarskoj_232139 in this story those who commited these crimes were gypsies.This kind of stories happen in hungary on weekly bases and if in this case the media reported about it only because the victims were famous handball players.A lot tells about the situation that the place was full of hungarians who did not dare to interfere(one reason is of course that as a half hungarian I must admit that serbs,romanians and croats are much braver kind,the other that hungarians have much worse experience with this kind of gangsters).All my credit goes to Urovski Vili(serb) who was not mentioned in this story but as it turned out later he was the one who took Pesis(croat) on his shoulder to nerby hospital and got a life-saving award.(a good example for all serbs and croats that you still can fight for each other).So all in all most of similar stories are unreported by media out of politically correct reasons,but somehow people learn about these stories and as result of this denial of media and political elite many people feel (quite wrongly) that the other bad namely far-right is the only solution(jobbik see last week EP elections and Magyar Gárda).And as to my mother she is a pensioner and well mainly female pensioners are victims of such crimes almost everywhere in Hungary not only in certain areas like in London .So I really do not overeract the situation.As to being unheard in Serbia well I have different experience.When I go to BG my serb friends listen to this and understand since they Have learned in the last 2 decades what it is to be a victim of one sided media reports and judgments.

OK szemi I accept that there is some kind of problem.
My point is that these types of problems with gypsies in Serbia do not happen - that is not because of the media, god knows the gutter press would jump on a bandwagon if there was one.

I am talking about not just the media but my own experience and the experience of those I am in contact with. I have yet to hear a story about a single person in Serbia being robbed by a gypsy.

And it one thing to know what it is like to be on the 'wrong' end of media reports, but if your Serbian friends have heard of such stories they would have mentioned them and you would have told me about them.

In fact of far more concern is Serbia is the way that so called 'unhygenic' settlements are being destroyed in a short time period with no rehousing.

I don't know perhaps we are following the Hungarian expample of some years ago with gypsies. After a decade or so of this type of treatment Serbian gypsies could become more aggressive.

Having said that you would think this after so many thousands of gypsies were displaced from Kosovo. One might think they would form powerful criminal gangs (I don't mean gangs of beggars) or something. I haven't heard of this either.

Ataman I've never heard of a single case of Roma robbing a Serb, and like you, I get around. Perhaps if I searched the newspapers for some months back I might find a case?

Have you?

(bganon, 22 June 2009 15:31)

What kind of ethnic people made their earning by showing villagers dancing bears and trained monkeys all over Austro-Hungary and Ottoman empire? What is the explanation of "Majmunovic" family name?

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=58462

Not necessarily all "Majmunovic" are Roms, but the chance is higher than average. We can't say much in the above tragic case, but it's suspicious. And way to much reminds me of the case with Romanian athlete.

Tragic is that this makes the life of Rom community so difficult, but at one point certain parts of it have to work harder to change.

Interestingly there is a good number of Roms who just try to show the "change" so hard. It is very typical for them to take bath and change clothes many times a day and drive around in FRESHLY DETAILED vehicles. The cleanest cars in the village are ones belonging to some Roms, not the ones with German or US plates (ooooopsss!)

Unfortunately it is not as appreciated as they would expect. This is my observation and here the local population is guilty as charged. I feel very sorry for these Roms and because of such pressure the only place they can feel being "Hungarian" is USA or Canada. :(

Once in BG I was witnessing a very sweet scene: a Rom shopkeeper lady in (mostly) Chinese market (Gagarin boulevard) was teaching Chinese shopkeepers some Rom songs - and the Chinese were not shy to try. So the situation in Serbia is maybe more relaxed than in Hungary - but still tense.