FM Jeremić addresses UN SC

The indigenous Serbian population of Kosovo and Metohija have been prevented from returning to their homes and ancestral land, by the overt racism of the people and 'government'of that occupied province. There is no ambiguity about that.
(Pete, 18 June 2009 20:42)

I'm inclined to agree.

Albanians often claim to be the target of racism - but is the reverse in fact the truth?

I have heard many commenators on this site from Team Albania *BOAST* how the religion of the Albanians is "Albanianism". What precisely is that?

Mainstream religions, although often abused, nevertheless typically act as a restraining force on extremism, "thou shalt not kill", "treat others like you would treat yourself" etc. On the other hand "Albanianism" seems to be free of any moral constraints and is all about just one thing, the further spreading of "Albanianism" by any means and intolerance towards non-believers of "Albanianism" who get in the way. Since you have to be Albanian to be a follower of "Albanianism", it is essentially a death sentence for non-Albanian communities living in areas with large or growing Albanian populations.

The demographic history of 20th century Balkans seems to confirm this, where ever Albanians rule (Albania, "Kosova", parts of Macedonia), very quickly everyone else is gone. Unbelievably quickly in fact. Populations that could survive 500 years of the Ottomans cannot survive even 50 under "Albanianism".

Under Serbia's "genocidal polices" 1913-1999, the Albanian share of Kosovo's population went from 50% to 90%.... ie, by defintion, Serbs are very poor exponents of genocide.

On the other hand under the stewardship of "Albanianism", in just the last 10 years for example, there is hardly a non-Albanian left anywhere in "Kosova". Just 10 years .... "Albanianism" is the clear winner as a mono-ethnic steamroller.

Then we have the sinister language of "Illyrians" (read "master race".. I know, a joke but followers of "Albanianism" are convinvced) and "Slavic invaders" (read "sub-humans") and "Albanianism" starts to smell a lot like National Socialism ala Germany 1933.

Is "Kosova" the start of the "Lebensraum" policy of "Albanianism"? Again, I hear some Team Albania commentators *BOAST* they will soon have the "numbers" to take over Macedonia etc.

For now "Albanianism" seems to be winning, but so did National Socialism in 1941. We all know how that turned out in the end.

Hang in there Serbia...

The indigenous Serbian population of Kosovo and Metohija have been prevented from returning to their homes and ancestral land, by the overt racism of the people and 'government'of that occupied province. There is no ambiguity about that. There will never be any prospect of constructive dialogue, until the Americans decide to change their attitude. Having constructed a vast military complex on occupied land, free of charge, the US government are at present content to allow the situation to remain as it is.

Continue to hold the U.N.'s feet to the fire, Serbia -- the majority of the world is behind you!

"loyalty oaths"?

This is getting ridiculous. I remember RTS1 showing what they called "posteni albanci" but i don’t remember my government forcing or asking anyone to sign loyalty oaths.

I think Jeremic is watching too many "V-for vendetta" type movies.

How he can lie in front of the entire world and think he can get away with it, is beyond my comprehension.

Even if we wanted to make Kosova Serbs sign loyalty oaths we simply couldn’t due to the immense pressure and influence the international community has in Kosova.

Do you have any idea Mr. Jeremic, how many foreign diplomats and observers hang around our Government watching and preventing precisely this kind of behavior by the Government of Kosova?

As i said, this is getting ridiculous. These kinds of outright lies will only be believed by minor countries in the international scene, who neither know nor care about the situation and reality in Kosova.

Nick KS,

Thanks for further elaborating on "Albanianism". Unfortunately, you either confirm what I suspect, or raise further questions.

First to the verses of Pashko Vasa...

"
Some say 'I believe in God,' others 'I in Allah,'
Some say 'I am Turk,' others 'I am Latin,'
Some 'I am Greek,' others 'I am Slav,'
"

Slav? I thought Slavs were the "invaders"? Aren't Albanians "Illyrians" full stop? Sounds like Pashko was happy to admit that "Albanians" are a mixture of all groups that have come thru the Balkans (as indeed I think are Serbs). Many contemporary Albanians nationalists should take note.

"
The priests and the hodjas have deceived you
To divide you and keep you poor.
"

Interesting comment - I now understand why Enver Hoxha was such a fanatic (banning religion outright - the only coutry to ever do so), he clearly was the number one proponent of "Albanianism" (under the mask of socialism). Can anyone seriously believe that Albania under Hoxha (pure "Albanianism") was a success even for Albanians??

"
The faith of the Albanian is Albanianism!
"

So, from these verses, I'm left understanding what "Albanianism" isn't, but still no wiser what it is, or more importantly, what it's implications are for other peoples.

Reading between the lines, it's clear that, at a minimium, it is a nationalist rallying call (that, unusually, explicitly repudiates theoretical religious morals... that was also a characteristic of National Socialism).
Isn't this the era of the "European perspective" though? I thought nationalism was something repugnant that, say, Serbs might indulge in?

I again ask the question, if "Albanianism" is a benign form of "bonding" for Albanian people - why do all non-Albanian communities that live amongst you ultimately leave? The demographic numbers are indisputable.

Finally, to one of your own comments...

"The rest of the Albanian lands were still in foreign hands, as some still are."

That is a very "un-European" comment Nick. Imagine if a German spoke like this of France or Poland!
I think it is a fairly honest admission of what "Albanianism" is actually about.

I think "Albanianism" has a fairly shaky future, because it is strongly at odds with neighbouring and co-existing peoples and is strongly "anti-European" (apparently an Albanian goal).

Hang in there Serbia, these contradictions will surface soon enough...

PS.

I'm not sure that many Serbs would agree that "Unlike Serbia, Croatia and other northern Balkan countries who had a major super power (Austria-Hungary) to depend on for both political and spiritual guidance and support."

Austro-Hungary a Serb ally?? I think you need to read up a bit on history too :)

Friendofserbia,

What you refer to as “Albanianism”, and so carefully attempt to portray as a racist concept aimed at foreigners, when it was coined by an author called Pashko Vasa in 1878, was actually a call intended to unify the Albanian people. The term neither held nor holds any racist connotations. Here is the verse when the word was first used:

Albanians, you are killing your brothers,
Into a hundred factions you are divided,
Some say 'I believe in God,' others 'I in Allah,'
Some say 'I am Turk,' others 'I am Latin,'
Some 'I am Greek,' others 'I am Slav,'
But you are brothers, all of you, my hapless people!
The priests and the hodjas have deceived you
To divide you and keep you poor.
When the foreigner comes, you sit back at the hearth
As he puts you to shame with your wife and your sister,
And for how little money you are willing to serve him,
Forgetting the oaths of your ancestors,
Making yourselves serfs to the foreigners
Who have neither your language nor your blood!

Awaken, Albania, wake from your slumber,
Let us all, as brothers, swear a common oath
And not look to church or mosque,
The faith of the Albanian is Albanianism!

http://shkoder.net/en/pvasa_re.htm

In order to understand the purpose of these words you need to have some basic knowledge of the situation in Albania and Albanian lands in 1878.

After 500 years of Turkish rule, the Albanian people after Scanderbeg were left to fend for themselves. Unlike Serbia, Croatia and other northern Balkan countries who had a major super power (Austria-Hungary) to depend on for both political and spiritual guidance and support, the Albanian people, being outsiders (non-Slavic) were utterly and completely alone.

This situation lead to the Albanian people getting divided and losing their sense of national identity. Over the course of this period more and more people started to identify themselves with their religion rather than ethnic background.

That started to change when the League of Prizren was formed (1878). The League of Prizren was intended by the people who established it as a secular popular movement (a revolutionary idea in the Balkans at the time).

“Albanianism” was coined at this period in time, when our leaders were desperately trying to convince our people that they were “Albanians” rather than “Muslims”, “Orthodox”, or “Catholic”.

At is worked BEAUTIFULLY. Finally, the League of Prizren and the legacy it left behind, managed to inspire the Albanian people to raise entire armies to fight just about everyone in our neighborhood and form the country you know today as Albania. The rest of the Albanian lands were still in foreign hands, as some still are. “Albanianism” is a term expressing a concept of national unity and brotherhood and not a racist idea as you try to portray it.

Next time you please read a little history, before you try to explain something you know nothing about.

What happened to the "flood of recognitions"? Let's face it: they are nothing but a product of the us-nato war machine which can break down. They are floated by us dollars and bribes when the us economy is breaking down. When "montenegro" declared independence and was recognized by Serbia - for no better reason than to ship back the remaining communist politicians - "montenegro" gained over 100 recognitions and admittance into the UN in less than a month. Kosovo today is america's Cuba in eastern europe. Unless america negotiates with Serbia, Kosovo will stay below Cuba.

Friendofserbia,

The reference to austria-hungary was intended as an example of one of the major powers who had influence over the Balkans at the time, it was not intended for you to take it literally as austria-hungary beeing a Serbian ally. I think we all know who Serbia's major power ally was and still is.

As for the other comments you made, i think its quite easy to take something and interpret it to suit yourself. Making sense of someone elses arguement with an objective perspective, is much harder.

"loyalty oaths"?

This is getting ridiculous. I remember RTS1 showing what they called "posteni albanci" but i don’t remember my government forcing or asking anyone to sign loyalty oaths.

I think Jeremic is watching too many "V-for vendetta" type movies.

How he can lie in front of the entire world and think he can get away with it, is beyond my comprehension.

Even if we wanted to make Kosova Serbs sign loyalty oaths we simply couldn’t due to the immense pressure and influence the international community has in Kosova.

Do you have any idea Mr. Jeremic, how many foreign diplomats and observers hang around our Government watching and preventing precisely this kind of behavior by the Government of Kosova?

As i said, this is getting ridiculous. These kinds of outright lies will only be believed by minor countries in the international scene, who neither know nor care about the situation and reality in Kosova.

Friendofserbia,

What you refer to as “Albanianism”, and so carefully attempt to portray as a racist concept aimed at foreigners, when it was coined by an author called Pashko Vasa in 1878, was actually a call intended to unify the Albanian people. The term neither held nor holds any racist connotations. Here is the verse when the word was first used:

Albanians, you are killing your brothers,
Into a hundred factions you are divided,
Some say 'I believe in God,' others 'I in Allah,'
Some say 'I am Turk,' others 'I am Latin,'
Some 'I am Greek,' others 'I am Slav,'
But you are brothers, all of you, my hapless people!
The priests and the hodjas have deceived you
To divide you and keep you poor.
When the foreigner comes, you sit back at the hearth
As he puts you to shame with your wife and your sister,
And for how little money you are willing to serve him,
Forgetting the oaths of your ancestors,
Making yourselves serfs to the foreigners
Who have neither your language nor your blood!

Awaken, Albania, wake from your slumber,
Let us all, as brothers, swear a common oath
And not look to church or mosque,
The faith of the Albanian is Albanianism!

http://shkoder.net/en/pvasa_re.htm

In order to understand the purpose of these words you need to have some basic knowledge of the situation in Albania and Albanian lands in 1878.

After 500 years of Turkish rule, the Albanian people after Scanderbeg were left to fend for themselves. Unlike Serbia, Croatia and other northern Balkan countries who had a major super power (Austria-Hungary) to depend on for both political and spiritual guidance and support, the Albanian people, being outsiders (non-Slavic) were utterly and completely alone.

This situation lead to the Albanian people getting divided and losing their sense of national identity. Over the course of this period more and more people started to identify themselves with their religion rather than ethnic background.

That started to change when the League of Prizren was formed (1878). The League of Prizren was intended by the people who established it as a secular popular movement (a revolutionary idea in the Balkans at the time).

“Albanianism” was coined at this period in time, when our leaders were desperately trying to convince our people that they were “Albanians” rather than “Muslims”, “Orthodox”, or “Catholic”.

At is worked BEAUTIFULLY. Finally, the League of Prizren and the legacy it left behind, managed to inspire the Albanian people to raise entire armies to fight just about everyone in our neighborhood and form the country you know today as Albania. The rest of the Albanian lands were still in foreign hands, as some still are. “Albanianism” is a term expressing a concept of national unity and brotherhood and not a racist idea as you try to portray it.

Next time you please read a little history, before you try to explain something you know nothing about.

The indigenous Serbian population of Kosovo and Metohija have been prevented from returning to their homes and ancestral land, by the overt racism of the people and 'government'of that occupied province. There is no ambiguity about that. There will never be any prospect of constructive dialogue, until the Americans decide to change their attitude. Having constructed a vast military complex on occupied land, free of charge, the US government are at present content to allow the situation to remain as it is.

The indigenous Serbian population of Kosovo and Metohija have been prevented from returning to their homes and ancestral land, by the overt racism of the people and 'government'of that occupied province. There is no ambiguity about that.
(Pete, 18 June 2009 20:42)

I'm inclined to agree.

Albanians often claim to be the target of racism - but is the reverse in fact the truth?

I have heard many commenators on this site from Team Albania *BOAST* how the religion of the Albanians is "Albanianism". What precisely is that?

Mainstream religions, although often abused, nevertheless typically act as a restraining force on extremism, "thou shalt not kill", "treat others like you would treat yourself" etc. On the other hand "Albanianism" seems to be free of any moral constraints and is all about just one thing, the further spreading of "Albanianism" by any means and intolerance towards non-believers of "Albanianism" who get in the way. Since you have to be Albanian to be a follower of "Albanianism", it is essentially a death sentence for non-Albanian communities living in areas with large or growing Albanian populations.

The demographic history of 20th century Balkans seems to confirm this, where ever Albanians rule (Albania, "Kosova", parts of Macedonia), very quickly everyone else is gone. Unbelievably quickly in fact. Populations that could survive 500 years of the Ottomans cannot survive even 50 under "Albanianism".

Under Serbia's "genocidal polices" 1913-1999, the Albanian share of Kosovo's population went from 50% to 90%.... ie, by defintion, Serbs are very poor exponents of genocide.

On the other hand under the stewardship of "Albanianism", in just the last 10 years for example, there is hardly a non-Albanian left anywhere in "Kosova". Just 10 years .... "Albanianism" is the clear winner as a mono-ethnic steamroller.

Then we have the sinister language of "Illyrians" (read "master race".. I know, a joke but followers of "Albanianism" are convinvced) and "Slavic invaders" (read "sub-humans") and "Albanianism" starts to smell a lot like National Socialism ala Germany 1933.

Is "Kosova" the start of the "Lebensraum" policy of "Albanianism"? Again, I hear some Team Albania commentators *BOAST* they will soon have the "numbers" to take over Macedonia etc.

For now "Albanianism" seems to be winning, but so did National Socialism in 1941. We all know how that turned out in the end.

Hang in there Serbia...

Nick KS,

Thanks for further elaborating on "Albanianism". Unfortunately, you either confirm what I suspect, or raise further questions.

First to the verses of Pashko Vasa...

"
Some say 'I believe in God,' others 'I in Allah,'
Some say 'I am Turk,' others 'I am Latin,'
Some 'I am Greek,' others 'I am Slav,'
"

Slav? I thought Slavs were the "invaders"? Aren't Albanians "Illyrians" full stop? Sounds like Pashko was happy to admit that "Albanians" are a mixture of all groups that have come thru the Balkans (as indeed I think are Serbs). Many contemporary Albanians nationalists should take note.

"
The priests and the hodjas have deceived you
To divide you and keep you poor.
"

Interesting comment - I now understand why Enver Hoxha was such a fanatic (banning religion outright - the only coutry to ever do so), he clearly was the number one proponent of "Albanianism" (under the mask of socialism). Can anyone seriously believe that Albania under Hoxha (pure "Albanianism") was a success even for Albanians??

"
The faith of the Albanian is Albanianism!
"

So, from these verses, I'm left understanding what "Albanianism" isn't, but still no wiser what it is, or more importantly, what it's implications are for other peoples.

Reading between the lines, it's clear that, at a minimium, it is a nationalist rallying call (that, unusually, explicitly repudiates theoretical religious morals... that was also a characteristic of National Socialism).
Isn't this the era of the "European perspective" though? I thought nationalism was something repugnant that, say, Serbs might indulge in?

I again ask the question, if "Albanianism" is a benign form of "bonding" for Albanian people - why do all non-Albanian communities that live amongst you ultimately leave? The demographic numbers are indisputable.

Finally, to one of your own comments...

"The rest of the Albanian lands were still in foreign hands, as some still are."

That is a very "un-European" comment Nick. Imagine if a German spoke like this of France or Poland!
I think it is a fairly honest admission of what "Albanianism" is actually about.

I think "Albanianism" has a fairly shaky future, because it is strongly at odds with neighbouring and co-existing peoples and is strongly "anti-European" (apparently an Albanian goal).

Hang in there Serbia, these contradictions will surface soon enough...

PS.

I'm not sure that many Serbs would agree that "Unlike Serbia, Croatia and other northern Balkan countries who had a major super power (Austria-Hungary) to depend on for both political and spiritual guidance and support."

Austro-Hungary a Serb ally?? I think you need to read up a bit on history too :)

Friendofserbia,

The reference to austria-hungary was intended as an example of one of the major powers who had influence over the Balkans at the time, it was not intended for you to take it literally as austria-hungary beeing a Serbian ally. I think we all know who Serbia's major power ally was and still is.

As for the other comments you made, i think its quite easy to take something and interpret it to suit yourself. Making sense of someone elses arguement with an objective perspective, is much harder.

Continue to hold the U.N.'s feet to the fire, Serbia -- the majority of the world is behind you!

What happened to the "flood of recognitions"? Let's face it: they are nothing but a product of the us-nato war machine which can break down. They are floated by us dollars and bribes when the us economy is breaking down. When "montenegro" declared independence and was recognized by Serbia - for no better reason than to ship back the remaining communist politicians - "montenegro" gained over 100 recognitions and admittance into the UN in less than a month. Kosovo today is america's Cuba in eastern europe. Unless america negotiates with Serbia, Kosovo will stay below Cuba.