"Kosovo independence irreversible"

but what made me laugh: now they are handing out golden medals???

isn´t it ridiculous, they don´t have enough money to live in dignity, but they are still playing "state" with foreign money...

Mr Ahtisaari - will You accept "independence" of swedish inhabited Aland Islands of Laponia??

To Mr Ahtisaari, There are no absolutes in this life, but death.
Death is the only aspect of life that is irreversible.

This man is a has been of no matter - the clue is in the number of times 'former' is used!! He should keep his nose out of other peoples business and keep his arrogant deluded comments to himself!

Serbia is behaving as a man that the wife has left him 10 years ago but now after 10 years he says: I don't want to divorce with you; I don't want to lose you!!!

Maniacal attitude!

The civilized world accepts non-consensual separation.

I don’t think that in a “real country” as Holland you can say to the judge my wife cannot have the divorce since I don’t agree with that. As a minimum you will be sent in manicomio.

Great news, but unfortunately I am much more pro-Albanian than Ahtisaari.

It is easy to play with the borders of a far-away place. But why does he not support the visa-free travel of Kosovo Albanians like I am advocating for openly?

Try to get a visa for Finland and wake up. At the same time you don't even need a biometric passport or visa for Belarus and Russia.

Who is the racist than? Good luck with such friends.

Sounds like desperation!
The more this guy repeats his mantra the more I am satisfied.
With all power at their disposal they managed to forcibly occpy our southern province by force but failed horribly in legalizing it.
We don`t care if it is occupied for the moment,what is important that it is legally still part of Serbia.
They can babble until they turn blue,UN 1244 stands,Russian and Chinese and Spanish vetoes stand and except of American poodles nobody recognized our province.

'Ahtisaari said Kosovo is on the path to becoming a "free, democratic and multiethnic state".

Yes and the Dalai Llama is going to become the next Ultimate Fighting Champion. This guys comments are a joke.

Ahtisaari said Kosovo is on the path to becoming a "free, democratic and multiethnic state".

I guess he is just ignoring the brutal treatment of Serbs in Kosovo by the Albanian majority and the harassment of journalists. And he wants Serbs to trust him.
He is probably in Pristina to collect another payment of the cash he was promised if he supported the terrorists in Kosovo. A desperate attempt from a desperate man.

Ahtisaari has violated international law in the most brutal way and should be sent to the Hague to answer for his crimes. We know he is just a front for the new world order, but as a front he must be ready to take the heat.

it's true kosovo is now state we will support you always greetings from croatian brothers

"acknowledgments of Kosovo's independence from all across the world prove that that independence is an irreversible process".

Funny, that's what the Palestinians thought when they had over 100+ recognitions but the US, with their UNSC seat blocked entry to the UN, similar to the Russians and the Chinese now with their UNSC seats.

Looks like Kosovo will have the same fate as Palestine.

Keep dreaming you corrupt soul, Ahtisarri. As for Kosmet - it ain't over until the fat lady sings. We can wait a very long time indeed, heck we waited for over 500 years with the Ottomans...

Atsahaari Plan was from beginning pro-albanian. I am not surprised, that Serbian government refused them and Albanians accepted, because plan supported the albanian requirements and refused serbian.

i would bet he will still be alive when EVERY inch of the occupied parts of kosmet will be liberated.

and i give this advice from planet reality for free, nobody has got to bribe me ....

My God, the gratuitous amounts of lipstick are almost comical these days.

Multiethnic democratic state? Riiiiight. He should visit those two Serbs who were beaten by Albanian thugs-er-cops yesterday.

The process of independence may be irreversible but independence is also irreversibly blocked so the status quo continues, right?

Lets face it, Serbia will never recognise Kosovo as independent and with strong international support, our province will never achieve this illusional status. How can it?

Now to my fellow citizens of Albanian ethnicity - stop justifying crime and help rid our province of criminal elements. They are the ones holding you all back and preventing prosperity. They are only interested in filling their pockets and maintaining power - all at your expense.

Do something now and free yourselves. Support the rule of law!

Only a politically blind person can not see the progress made in Kosova regarding security, stabiliy and the rule of law. It is not perfect and there is a lot of work to be done. One thing is for certain. There is no return to Serbia.

Ahtisaari said Kosovo is on the path to becoming a "free, democratic and multiethnic state".

how long of a path exactly??

"Serbia and Kosovo are neighbors," Ahtisaari was quoted as saying.

yes! neighbours on the same street called rue de serbie.

"..prove that that independence is an irreversible process".
Ahtisaari

I thought Kosovo got supervised independence!? If its irreversible its not supervised! The Albanians can do what ever they want, and they are, to the minority population and get away with it. Is this the peace plan Serbs should accept? I have been taught never to trust Albanians, for good reason, and Serbs in Kosovo shouln't either. Besides, the Albanian side is rejoicing while Serbs don't want anything to do with this man and he says there is a deal. He, much like his "plan" is a joke. Convince yourself whatever you want, but take a look at the facts on the ground and you'll see what a failure you are.

RE; Nobel Peace Prize

Let's see, Al Gore get a Nobel peace prize for this piece on global warming.

However, as a co-conspirator to Bill Clinton, they drop tons of depleted Uranium in both Serbia and Kosovo of which the after effects will be felt for centuries in the Southeastern European Peninsula.

We then have Marti Athissari who supported the KLA terrorist’s organization and placed them in power contrary to a signed UN resolution 1244 while the Athisarri document remains unsigned and not a living document. Even Eulex is not full adhering to the imaginary document made up from fantasy island.

What is reversible is the Nobel Peace prize awarded to a criminal of international law.

Obviously Ahti did his job well at negotiating peace. Sure there were days that the Serb delegation didn't show up at all so he had more time with Albanians. So Serbia got what it put in. Now Serbs are using the same clandestine methods as the thugs who once were in power did, but just be careful becouse you will reap what you saw again our neighbours.

For those advocating a return to the negotiating table, can anyone give me one benefit for the people of Kosovo? I cannot think of one thing that Kosovo could gain from a return to Serbia. The prospect of Kosovo not being able to join some international organizations would be the same or more so as part of Serbia.
The only way a return to negotiations would be of use to Kosovo is some type of equal power sharing in Serbia which we know will never happen.
One has to remember that a return to Serbian oppression would not be considered a benefit by anyone's standards.

nobody has got to bribe me ....
(raso, 16 June 2009 09:30)

Well, we are also not talking about the organ harvest fairy tale.
(Frisco, 16 June 2009 13:10)

In South Bay the opinion is different than in "your" Frisco, it's where the industry and money is. Using the same argument like Albanians do - where Frisco is only speaking, South Bay is doing. All you got up there is better weather and nicer bridge - we got in South Bay the jobs, Jobs, better landscape and much better restaurants. ;)

Has this guy asked the cossacks?

MikeC, to your #4 comment: he also ignores the history of his own country - Finland, which received independence as a gift from Soviet Russia in 1917. So it was a mutual agreement, that's why there were no such a things we see in Kosovo now.

it's true kosovo is now state we will support you always greetings from croatian brothers
(igor hr, 16 June 2009 11:17)

I guess it's true. You can choose your friends but not your family. Same blood you know.

Mr. Athisaari, did someone ask for their money back so you had to go over to Kosovo and try to pull wool over their eyes?
You would say something like that in Kosovo but come over to Serbia or even the UNSC and say it if you are brave enough. You would be laughted right out.

Mr. Athisaari, you have no power to make anything happen. Your plan failed and will never be debated in the UN so why are you even making speeches? What gives you any power to make any statements? Is anyone even listening to you?

Nothing there disputable.
Agreement was a consencual deal between parties involved. Details will follow few yeas after, just like in Krajina case.
And, dont know why is Independece discussed at all, it is really irresvesible.
Kosovars have e state now and are getting used to have one.Could you imagine what one is prepared to do not to loose it, especially when you have the support of more than 95% of the people living in there.

This man brought prior prejudice to the process. He deserves no honours and no respect. Rewarding the monoethnic ambition of the Albanians who live in Kosovo is something that will discolour his name for all time. Cerrtainly the resentment for supporting the stealing of Serbia's legally owned territory will remain and there will be no permanent security for the Albanian land grab.

If the man had been really intelligent (and not a puppet) he would have found a route to an agreed solution (even if it took a long time for the sides to resolve). Instead he went for a solution that remains unacceptable and which depends on imposition. No 'humanitarian' intervention can be trusted from now on because in Kosovo the intervention (which I supported) turned into an invasion (which I do not).

nobody has got to bribe me ....
(raso, 16 June 2009 09:30)

Well, we are also not talking about the organ harvest fairy tale.

Ahtissari is nothing but a thug.

Has this guy asked the cossacks?
(szemi, 16 June 2009 15:48)

Neeee, it's unnecessary. He already got answer from Ataman - and he can stick that answer where he wants.

To ben #36:

Petrograd.
Dec. I8, 1917.
No. 101


As the answer to the appeal of the Finnish Government to recognise the independence of the Republic of Finland, the Soviet of People's Commissars, in full accordance with the principle of nations' right to self-determination, HAS DECIDED:
To propose to the Central Executive Committee that:

a/ The independence of the Republic of Finland as a country is recognised,
and b/ A special Commission, in agreement with the Finnish Government, comprising members of both parties, should be instituted to elaborate those practical measures that follow from the partition of Finland from Russia.


Chairman of the Soviet of People's Commissars
Vl. Ulianov (Lenin)

People's Commissars:
L. Trotski
G. Petrovski
J. Stalin
I. Steinberg
V. Karelin A. Schlichter




The Chief of Bureau Vlad. Bonch-Bruevich
Secretary of the Soviet N. Gorbunov

To Peter Sudyka #38:
See my answer to ben, also, I have a couple questions to you:
1.Do you know what russo phobia means?
2. Did you study what happened to Ukranians in 1945 on the land given to Poland by Soviet Union? If not, I strongly encourage you to do so.
Good luck!

Martti Ahtisaari How much money did they give you ?

http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2007/06/bnd-slaves-and-millions.html

"Only a politically blind person can not see the progress made in Kosova regarding security, stabiliy and the rule of law. It is not perfect and there is a lot of work to be done. One thing is for certain. There is no return to Serbia.
(EA, 16 June 2009 12:17)"

we can say that there there has been a tremendous amount of progress, and at the same time that there is much work that needs to be done. both things are obvious to those w/eyes open.

ahtisaari has my deepest respect, and i'm pleased and proud for him that he's been awarded the golden indpnce medal fr the president of kosovo. he's a great man, and we owe him big
time, for his work and his vision.

the "quagmire", as much as there is a quagmire, is a direct result of the refusal of serbia (blg regime) to accept kosovo/a independence, and continuing to do everything in its power to keep things unhinged, which is unfortunately considerable, to keep up the troubles. that is one of many reasons why it is impt that both eulex and nato troops stay in the area.

i do concur that more can and needs to be done to help push along the democratic process, and to insure human rights, civil rights and equity for all of Kosovo/a's citizens. i do not offer excuses, but this is also certainly the case throughout the balkans, not to mention the world.

congratulations mr. ahtisaari, and best wishes to all of our frnds and allies, whatever your ethnicity. it is not about ethnic superiority, it is about freedom and independence. let's move forward, milosevic is gone...

thank you.

roberto
frisco

ps in case anyone cares, i am not "Frisco", i've just lived here since 1979 :))

Can someone inform this noble person that there NEVER was a deal about Kosovo?

Indeed, like other situations around the world... unfortunately.

So what is needed are REAL negotiations!

ps in case anyone cares, i am not "Frisco", i've just lived here since 1979 :))
(roberto, 16 June 2009 23:25)

I guessed it's not you, but you know why I wrote what I wrote.
"South Bay" has a very different "feel" than SF. Both are "anti-redneck" places, but we are more on the practical side, we are much more "East European"/"Indian"/"Iranian"/"East Asian", we have the large IT companies. No wonder if you look at the demographic data here the sympathies of the locals are strongly on the Serbian side. Does not have huge consequences for you, just FYI.

And while the restaurants in SF are more on the "tourist trap" side, here they are 100% for the local employees. IMO, A***e has the best cafeteria in the world, just not easy to get in if you don't have the badge. And their company store is always worth a visit.

Russian

You must be joking!!!

Finland's independence a gift from Russia to the Finns??? It's no wonder why none of Russia's neighbours (apart from Belarus) want anything to do with Russia.

B92, honestely, how can such chauvinism be allowed here?

Finland, which received independence as a gift from Soviet Russia in 1917.
(Russian, 17 June 2009 00:11)

Now according to the international "law" of Russian stamp:

Russia gives Finland as a gift to Finns.

How kind of you!! Noble!!!

You are just killing me ;)))) you made my day...

And I "naively" thought actually you were defeated in Finland.

To Peter Sudyka:
1). No, you don't. The russo phobia means substitution of word "soviets" by word "russians" when it's related to bad things happened in the past. For your knowledge soviet leaders were:
Lenin - Jew
Stalin - Georgian
Khruschev - Ukrainian
Brezhnev - Ukrainian
Andropov - Russian !!!
Chernenko - Ukrainian
Gorbatchev - Russian !!!
Two out of seven. Is that what you call "russian nationalism"? Or considering a gift of giving a right of self determination. If it's not a gift, what is it then?
2). I'm glad you did. But, we call it extermination of Ukrainian population, you can call it Visla action, it's up to you. And Volyn massacre is not an excuse, it executed by UPA under German occupation. And " Visla action" happened in liberated Poland. Liberated by who? Remind me, please. Tadeush Kostyushko division?
About Holodomor... My mother-in-law almost died from starvation during that time (I'm married a Ukrainian women - the most beautiful in the World), so you can estimate my knowledge in it. But you can not blame Russians for it ( see above).
Now, back to the suject: Finland, 1917; East Poland 1945-1947; Kosovo, 1999-present. What's similar, and what's different?

to ben:

"The civilized world accepts non-consensual separation."

It depends on who separates from whom. See, they somehow don't accept Abhazia and S.Ossetia separation...

"I don’t think that in a “real country” as Holland you can say to the judge my wife cannot have the divorce since I don’t agree with that."

But you can say to the judge - my wife cannot have huge amount of my property as a result of divorce.

Russian

1) I do know what Russophobia means, but I am not Russophobic, I just don't like Russian nationalism/chauvinism.

2) If you are talking about Operation Wisla, then yes, but this was a direct consequence of the Volhyn Massacre. Ever hear about Holodomor? I think the Ukrainians are undoubtadely more sore about that than what we did in 1945. What land did Russia give back??? You took a huge portion of our eastern lands!!!

'At the same time you don't even need a biometric passport or visa for Belarus and Russia.'

You need one or the other - either a biometric passport or a visa (with the old passport).

it's true kosovo is now state we will support you always greetings from croatian brothers

i would bet he will still be alive when EVERY inch of the occupied parts of kosmet will be liberated.

and i give this advice from planet reality for free, nobody has got to bribe me ....

Serbia is behaving as a man that the wife has left him 10 years ago but now after 10 years he says: I don't want to divorce with you; I don't want to lose you!!!

Maniacal attitude!

The civilized world accepts non-consensual separation.

I don’t think that in a “real country” as Holland you can say to the judge my wife cannot have the divorce since I don’t agree with that. As a minimum you will be sent in manicomio.

Only a politically blind person can not see the progress made in Kosova regarding security, stabiliy and the rule of law. It is not perfect and there is a lot of work to be done. One thing is for certain. There is no return to Serbia.

"acknowledgments of Kosovo's independence from all across the world prove that that independence is an irreversible process".

Funny, that's what the Palestinians thought when they had over 100+ recognitions but the US, with their UNSC seat blocked entry to the UN, similar to the Russians and the Chinese now with their UNSC seats.

Looks like Kosovo will have the same fate as Palestine.

nobody has got to bribe me ....
(raso, 16 June 2009 09:30)

Well, we are also not talking about the organ harvest fairy tale.

Ahtisaari said Kosovo is on the path to becoming a "free, democratic and multiethnic state".

I guess he is just ignoring the brutal treatment of Serbs in Kosovo by the Albanian majority and the harassment of journalists. And he wants Serbs to trust him.
He is probably in Pristina to collect another payment of the cash he was promised if he supported the terrorists in Kosovo. A desperate attempt from a desperate man.

Obviously Ahti did his job well at negotiating peace. Sure there were days that the Serb delegation didn't show up at all so he had more time with Albanians. So Serbia got what it put in. Now Serbs are using the same clandestine methods as the thugs who once were in power did, but just be careful becouse you will reap what you saw again our neighbours.

Ahtisaari has violated international law in the most brutal way and should be sent to the Hague to answer for his crimes. We know he is just a front for the new world order, but as a front he must be ready to take the heat.

but what made me laugh: now they are handing out golden medals???

isn´t it ridiculous, they don´t have enough money to live in dignity, but they are still playing "state" with foreign money...

For those advocating a return to the negotiating table, can anyone give me one benefit for the people of Kosovo? I cannot think of one thing that Kosovo could gain from a return to Serbia. The prospect of Kosovo not being able to join some international organizations would be the same or more so as part of Serbia.
The only way a return to negotiations would be of use to Kosovo is some type of equal power sharing in Serbia which we know will never happen.
One has to remember that a return to Serbian oppression would not be considered a benefit by anyone's standards.

Nothing there disputable.
Agreement was a consencual deal between parties involved. Details will follow few yeas after, just like in Krajina case.
And, dont know why is Independece discussed at all, it is really irresvesible.
Kosovars have e state now and are getting used to have one.Could you imagine what one is prepared to do not to loose it, especially when you have the support of more than 95% of the people living in there.

Mr Ahtisaari - will You accept "independence" of swedish inhabited Aland Islands of Laponia??

Sounds like desperation!
The more this guy repeats his mantra the more I am satisfied.
With all power at their disposal they managed to forcibly occpy our southern province by force but failed horribly in legalizing it.
We don`t care if it is occupied for the moment,what is important that it is legally still part of Serbia.
They can babble until they turn blue,UN 1244 stands,Russian and Chinese and Spanish vetoes stand and except of American poodles nobody recognized our province.

"Only a politically blind person can not see the progress made in Kosova regarding security, stabiliy and the rule of law. It is not perfect and there is a lot of work to be done. One thing is for certain. There is no return to Serbia.
(EA, 16 June 2009 12:17)"

we can say that there there has been a tremendous amount of progress, and at the same time that there is much work that needs to be done. both things are obvious to those w/eyes open.

ahtisaari has my deepest respect, and i'm pleased and proud for him that he's been awarded the golden indpnce medal fr the president of kosovo. he's a great man, and we owe him big
time, for his work and his vision.

the "quagmire", as much as there is a quagmire, is a direct result of the refusal of serbia (blg regime) to accept kosovo/a independence, and continuing to do everything in its power to keep things unhinged, which is unfortunately considerable, to keep up the troubles. that is one of many reasons why it is impt that both eulex and nato troops stay in the area.

i do concur that more can and needs to be done to help push along the democratic process, and to insure human rights, civil rights and equity for all of Kosovo/a's citizens. i do not offer excuses, but this is also certainly the case throughout the balkans, not to mention the world.

congratulations mr. ahtisaari, and best wishes to all of our frnds and allies, whatever your ethnicity. it is not about ethnic superiority, it is about freedom and independence. let's move forward, milosevic is gone...

thank you.

roberto
frisco

ps in case anyone cares, i am not "Frisco", i've just lived here since 1979 :))

The process of independence may be irreversible but independence is also irreversibly blocked so the status quo continues, right?

Lets face it, Serbia will never recognise Kosovo as independent and with strong international support, our province will never achieve this illusional status. How can it?

Now to my fellow citizens of Albanian ethnicity - stop justifying crime and help rid our province of criminal elements. They are the ones holding you all back and preventing prosperity. They are only interested in filling their pockets and maintaining power - all at your expense.

Do something now and free yourselves. Support the rule of law!

Keep dreaming you corrupt soul, Ahtisarri. As for Kosmet - it ain't over until the fat lady sings. We can wait a very long time indeed, heck we waited for over 500 years with the Ottomans...

'Ahtisaari said Kosovo is on the path to becoming a "free, democratic and multiethnic state".

Yes and the Dalai Llama is going to become the next Ultimate Fighting Champion. This guys comments are a joke.

This man brought prior prejudice to the process. He deserves no honours and no respect. Rewarding the monoethnic ambition of the Albanians who live in Kosovo is something that will discolour his name for all time. Cerrtainly the resentment for supporting the stealing of Serbia's legally owned territory will remain and there will be no permanent security for the Albanian land grab.

If the man had been really intelligent (and not a puppet) he would have found a route to an agreed solution (even if it took a long time for the sides to resolve). Instead he went for a solution that remains unacceptable and which depends on imposition. No 'humanitarian' intervention can be trusted from now on because in Kosovo the intervention (which I supported) turned into an invasion (which I do not).

To Mr Ahtisaari, There are no absolutes in this life, but death.
Death is the only aspect of life that is irreversible.

"..prove that that independence is an irreversible process".
Ahtisaari

I thought Kosovo got supervised independence!? If its irreversible its not supervised! The Albanians can do what ever they want, and they are, to the minority population and get away with it. Is this the peace plan Serbs should accept? I have been taught never to trust Albanians, for good reason, and Serbs in Kosovo shouln't either. Besides, the Albanian side is rejoicing while Serbs don't want anything to do with this man and he says there is a deal. He, much like his "plan" is a joke. Convince yourself whatever you want, but take a look at the facts on the ground and you'll see what a failure you are.

This man is a has been of no matter - the clue is in the number of times 'former' is used!! He should keep his nose out of other peoples business and keep his arrogant deluded comments to himself!

Atsahaari Plan was from beginning pro-albanian. I am not surprised, that Serbian government refused them and Albanians accepted, because plan supported the albanian requirements and refused serbian.

Ahtisaari said Kosovo is on the path to becoming a "free, democratic and multiethnic state".

how long of a path exactly??

"Serbia and Kosovo are neighbors," Ahtisaari was quoted as saying.

yes! neighbours on the same street called rue de serbie.

My God, the gratuitous amounts of lipstick are almost comical these days.

Multiethnic democratic state? Riiiiight. He should visit those two Serbs who were beaten by Albanian thugs-er-cops yesterday.

Has this guy asked the cossacks?
(szemi, 16 June 2009 15:48)

Neeee, it's unnecessary. He already got answer from Ataman - and he can stick that answer where he wants.

RE; Nobel Peace Prize

Let's see, Al Gore get a Nobel peace prize for this piece on global warming.

However, as a co-conspirator to Bill Clinton, they drop tons of depleted Uranium in both Serbia and Kosovo of which the after effects will be felt for centuries in the Southeastern European Peninsula.

We then have Marti Athissari who supported the KLA terrorist’s organization and placed them in power contrary to a signed UN resolution 1244 while the Athisarri document remains unsigned and not a living document. Even Eulex is not full adhering to the imaginary document made up from fantasy island.

What is reversible is the Nobel Peace prize awarded to a criminal of international law.

MikeC, to your #4 comment: he also ignores the history of his own country - Finland, which received independence as a gift from Soviet Russia in 1917. So it was a mutual agreement, that's why there were no such a things we see in Kosovo now.

Great news, but unfortunately I am much more pro-Albanian than Ahtisaari.

It is easy to play with the borders of a far-away place. But why does he not support the visa-free travel of Kosovo Albanians like I am advocating for openly?

Try to get a visa for Finland and wake up. At the same time you don't even need a biometric passport or visa for Belarus and Russia.

Who is the racist than? Good luck with such friends.

Has this guy asked the cossacks?

it's true kosovo is now state we will support you always greetings from croatian brothers
(igor hr, 16 June 2009 11:17)

I guess it's true. You can choose your friends but not your family. Same blood you know.

Mr. Athisaari, did someone ask for their money back so you had to go over to Kosovo and try to pull wool over their eyes?
You would say something like that in Kosovo but come over to Serbia or even the UNSC and say it if you are brave enough. You would be laughted right out.

Mr. Athisaari, you have no power to make anything happen. Your plan failed and will never be debated in the UN so why are you even making speeches? What gives you any power to make any statements? Is anyone even listening to you?

Russian

You must be joking!!!

Finland's independence a gift from Russia to the Finns??? It's no wonder why none of Russia's neighbours (apart from Belarus) want anything to do with Russia.

B92, honestely, how can such chauvinism be allowed here?

Finland, which received independence as a gift from Soviet Russia in 1917.
(Russian, 17 June 2009 00:11)

Now according to the international "law" of Russian stamp:

Russia gives Finland as a gift to Finns.

How kind of you!! Noble!!!

You are just killing me ;)))) you made my day...

And I "naively" thought actually you were defeated in Finland.

nobody has got to bribe me ....
(raso, 16 June 2009 09:30)

Well, we are also not talking about the organ harvest fairy tale.
(Frisco, 16 June 2009 13:10)

In South Bay the opinion is different than in "your" Frisco, it's where the industry and money is. Using the same argument like Albanians do - where Frisco is only speaking, South Bay is doing. All you got up there is better weather and nicer bridge - we got in South Bay the jobs, Jobs, better landscape and much better restaurants. ;)

To Peter Sudyka #38:
See my answer to ben, also, I have a couple questions to you:
1.Do you know what russo phobia means?
2. Did you study what happened to Ukranians in 1945 on the land given to Poland by Soviet Union? If not, I strongly encourage you to do so.
Good luck!

To ben #36:

Petrograd.
Dec. I8, 1917.
No. 101


As the answer to the appeal of the Finnish Government to recognise the independence of the Republic of Finland, the Soviet of People's Commissars, in full accordance with the principle of nations' right to self-determination, HAS DECIDED:
To propose to the Central Executive Committee that:

a/ The independence of the Republic of Finland as a country is recognised,
and b/ A special Commission, in agreement with the Finnish Government, comprising members of both parties, should be instituted to elaborate those practical measures that follow from the partition of Finland from Russia.


Chairman of the Soviet of People's Commissars
Vl. Ulianov (Lenin)

People's Commissars:
L. Trotski
G. Petrovski
J. Stalin
I. Steinberg
V. Karelin A. Schlichter




The Chief of Bureau Vlad. Bonch-Bruevich
Secretary of the Soviet N. Gorbunov

Russian

1) I do know what Russophobia means, but I am not Russophobic, I just don't like Russian nationalism/chauvinism.

2) If you are talking about Operation Wisla, then yes, but this was a direct consequence of the Volhyn Massacre. Ever hear about Holodomor? I think the Ukrainians are undoubtadely more sore about that than what we did in 1945. What land did Russia give back??? You took a huge portion of our eastern lands!!!

'At the same time you don't even need a biometric passport or visa for Belarus and Russia.'

You need one or the other - either a biometric passport or a visa (with the old passport).

ps in case anyone cares, i am not "Frisco", i've just lived here since 1979 :))
(roberto, 16 June 2009 23:25)

I guessed it's not you, but you know why I wrote what I wrote.
"South Bay" has a very different "feel" than SF. Both are "anti-redneck" places, but we are more on the practical side, we are much more "East European"/"Indian"/"Iranian"/"East Asian", we have the large IT companies. No wonder if you look at the demographic data here the sympathies of the locals are strongly on the Serbian side. Does not have huge consequences for you, just FYI.

And while the restaurants in SF are more on the "tourist trap" side, here they are 100% for the local employees. IMO, A***e has the best cafeteria in the world, just not easy to get in if you don't have the badge. And their company store is always worth a visit.

Martti Ahtisaari How much money did they give you ?

http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2007/06/bnd-slaves-and-millions.html

Ahtissari is nothing but a thug.

Can someone inform this noble person that there NEVER was a deal about Kosovo?

Indeed, like other situations around the world... unfortunately.

So what is needed are REAL negotiations!

To Peter Sudyka:
1). No, you don't. The russo phobia means substitution of word "soviets" by word "russians" when it's related to bad things happened in the past. For your knowledge soviet leaders were:
Lenin - Jew
Stalin - Georgian
Khruschev - Ukrainian
Brezhnev - Ukrainian
Andropov - Russian !!!
Chernenko - Ukrainian
Gorbatchev - Russian !!!
Two out of seven. Is that what you call "russian nationalism"? Or considering a gift of giving a right of self determination. If it's not a gift, what is it then?
2). I'm glad you did. But, we call it extermination of Ukrainian population, you can call it Visla action, it's up to you. And Volyn massacre is not an excuse, it executed by UPA under German occupation. And " Visla action" happened in liberated Poland. Liberated by who? Remind me, please. Tadeush Kostyushko division?
About Holodomor... My mother-in-law almost died from starvation during that time (I'm married a Ukrainian women - the most beautiful in the World), so you can estimate my knowledge in it. But you can not blame Russians for it ( see above).
Now, back to the suject: Finland, 1917; East Poland 1945-1947; Kosovo, 1999-present. What's similar, and what's different?

to ben:

"The civilized world accepts non-consensual separation."

It depends on who separates from whom. See, they somehow don't accept Abhazia and S.Ossetia separation...

"I don’t think that in a “real country” as Holland you can say to the judge my wife cannot have the divorce since I don’t agree with that."

But you can say to the judge - my wife cannot have huge amount of my property as a result of divorce.