KPS: Suspects bribed local Serbs

Radio Kosova learned from confidential sources that they are accused of having spurred families of missing Serbs to give false testimony, with the goal to fabricate the affair of allegations on human organ trafficking (transplant) by KLA during the war. The information of Radio Kosova, that these detainees are suspected of staging this issue (affair) was also confirmed to RTK by police spokesperson, Mr. Arber Beka.
I don’t want to make any judgment on this, but if it is true, then so much for the allegations of the Carla Del Ponte’s book and the BBC reporting on this issue.

Serbia is setting a dengerous precident for fueling all this extra hate in kosovo. the more your government sponsors these thugs in kosovo, the more bigger states wil just thinks its fair game against the serbs like vojvodina.

but continue your fabrications, as the truth came out, it will come out again.

I would say it would be pretty hard to remain alive if your organs were removed, and be able to talk about it. Incredible things happen in Kosovo. Anyway, a physical exam of these unwilling organ donors can verify this claim by Pristina.

Vey interesting. Slowly but surely everything will come on the surface and the truth will be told that never was any organ harvesting.BIA must ahve dished out alot of money to make this story look real. so much for that.

Wow, bribing people for saying that their organs have been harvested by 'monstrous albanians'. I did think that this story might be true in the begining, but as time went by, I do not think that Kosovar Goverment would get red carpet treatment around the globe if this was true.

I wouldn't be suprised, then, that this might be the yet another andersenesque story made in Belgrade. Time will only tell.

I could only logically think that, if Security Agencies were in need for BRIBING people to testify that their organs have been harvested, it only proves how much truth was in these allegations.

If KPS can prove this, it will be yet another shamefull saga comming from Belgrade.

I always say 'where there is smoke there is fire'. Thats what I thought in the first place about the organs harvesting.

But now again I would say 'where there....

How great it is to have great neighboors like Serbia. Just like Millosevic Tadic and his croonies did not give up the campaign of slandering the albanians. No one with 2 cents fo medical education belives the stroies about organ harvesting. LOL

"kosovo police"?

You mean albanian thugs?

Finally, The truth about organ trafficking and yellow house. Another serbian government myth discarded. 100.000 euro for propaganda. How many millions are already spent till now for things like this? Isn't this serbian people's money? It's going to a selected group of couple of thousands? Why does the average serbian citizen accept this?

Now the Serb camp will claim that this is propaganda. How can someone say something happened to them (my organs were taken) if it did not??

o? seems that they do not want their friends in south america be discovered? Need to pay huge money to say they died in albaniafrom organ harvesting?
BIA connection in south america are very interesting ,they get you in touch with war criminals!

This forum just shows how selective the albanians are. They choose to believe a claim by another albanian while ignoring a fact of human organ harvestign that is widley known to the entire world. There are even albanian wittnesses to these crimes. Anyone can claim anything, as long as it fits the albanian agenda it is true. Albanians must be the most perfect people on the earth. All those claims of human trafficing, uck terrorism in Kosovo and abroad, corruption, organ harvesting, drugsmugling, the expulsion of minorities, the burning of Serb churches etc etc is just not true, right! It Serb propagande! Enver Hoxha was a Serbian puppet, right? The comet that exterminated all the dinosaur is Milosevics fault.

"Kosovo Police Service (KPS) spokesman Arber Beka told FoNet that the KPS had information that the suspects had offered Serbs in Kosovo EUR 100,000, a flat and a car each to say that their organs had been extracted."

Its easy to see if someone has been operated on. This is just another attempt by albanians to rid Kosovo of its serbian population. This is proof to Kosovo serbs that they should never give up to albanian demands and never join anything albanian.

I heard from the "Kosova" government that these people also murdered John F. Kennedy, kidnapped and are holding Elvis Presley, and are responsible for the alien crop circles.

Lets get this in perspective:

First of all it has to be established whether these allegations are true.

Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that organ harvesting did not take place.

I don't know what's more amusing. . .this story about bribing people to pretend that their vital organs are missing or these Albanian posters who actually believe it!?

People. . .you can't pretend that your kidney or liver or heart is missing. A quick medical inspection is all that is required to prove validity. Heck. . .ask them to show you their scars is an even easier way to satisfy curiousity!

Next time you want to spread your propaganda. . .let the American and the British news services do it for you like the last time. . .they are a little more sophisticated.

What a ridiculous claim to make. Who on earth would give someone €100,000, a car and flat to lie about something that can be easily verified?

It was never even reported that we had live witnesses so when did they suddenly appear?

Our Southern citizens have a long way to go it seems. They are not even convincing liars. Anyone with a bit of common sense can see right through it.

Could be true, but I do not trust this story. Sounds like a dangerous provocation for me, with malicious intent. And out of sudden now they need UNMIK help.

If you think twice, the entire accusation is about a sad joke. People cannot claim their organs being removed - it's so easy to prove if they are not telling the truth.

As for organ removal: either the accused are brainless (unlikely) or the KPS is (very likely). If it turns to be baseless, they will have a problem.

Good job Kosova Intelegence Agency. If it's true what I've read on Albanian websites and B92, this will put Serb government in worse position than it is right now. Chances are the guy named Vekaric would be involved in this huge crime.
What if Vekaric is really involved?. That would be called STATE-SPONSORED CRIME.

Well said Winston.

To all Albanians in kosovo; Make a revolution or whatever it takes to change your leaders and head of ministries, import some educated albanians from albania or from the diaspora, whatever but do something. The K-Alb gov. continuously shoots himself in the feet with ridiculous actions, statements and becoming and embarrassing friend he looses slowly the supports it has from the West.

This is the dumbest report/investigation I've heard thus far. I can't go around saying I had open heart surgery without a zipper going thru my chest. This "investigation" is just as obvious as the Bosnian's recent release of Mladic video in the continued offensive to discredit Serbia. Of course Albanians will do anything and everything to discredit any and all information pertaining to their responsibilities during the conflict. Has any albanian been prosectured for anything
during this war?

Even if this report has merit, which I doubt, the fact remains that organs were harvested and that Serbian civilians were murdered in Albania after NATO arrival.

Paying people to be "witnesses"? The serbian government way. Dacic just said that they are no BIA in Kosovo, how many Serbs actually believe this?

No wonder Vekaric had all that information. So much "information" Serbia needed IMF loans to buy it! Time for EULEX and ICJ to cut serbia off intelligence sharing and open an investigation.

Memo to BIA: For $120,000 I will say that I saw Thaci eating babies as Haradinaj stood guard! No need for a flat in Zemun or a Zastava car.

I AM absolutely disgusted
Shame on you Dacic, B.Vekaric.

http://www.kosovopolice.com/informatat/informatat$/Tre%20te%20arrestuar%20nga%20Drejtoria%20kunder%20krimit%20te%20organizuar%2012%2006%202009.htm
This is the link to original Kosovo Police report on the issue (Albanian).
The report says that they are being held on suspicions that they have pressured members of the families of the missing to give false statements to claim that they have been victims of organ trafficking during the war in 1999.
Unfortunately to some posting here, there is nowhere I can find in this report stating that organs were removed from these allegedly bribed persons. This, as many state is the easiest thing to tell. Do you guys remember the BBC reports on this alleged issue? The persons cited on those reports were all witnesses, what means that they were in a way victims of “organ trafficking”, just like these bribed ones here.

To MikeC

What facts are you talking about? There are no facts that can prove that there was ever a YELLOW House. Show me the facts..

The kidnapping and organ theft claims were made by former KLA people who were involved and also some Albanians who were kidnapped and/or held in concentration camps with the Serbs.

Some of these people live in Albania, so it would be impossible for Serbs to bribe them.

Plus you do have the several hundreds of missing people whose bodies have not been found and suspicious things found in Albania.

I think this is false charges by Albanians to try to cover up their kidnappings and organ thefts.

Also, there was an illegal transplant discovered recently in Kosovo - and they found the Turkish guy who'd had his kidney taken out when he was at the airport - he was very sick and in pain.

They also found the Israeli guy in Kosovo who'd received the kidney transplant.

The Kosovo Albanian doctor involved had long ago been named for the war time and after war time illegal organ theft.

Additionally, Italy has opened an investigation on Albania for illegal organs trade - on childrens' organs.

So the Albanians are involved in this stuff.

Some Serbs in Kosovo have been offered "EUR 100,000, a flat,and a car each to say that their organs have been extracted"
...and a prominent position in the Kosova government promised as well, so I heard, but I won't reveal the source. The footage to be broadcast soon.

A new low for Serbia!!

--Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that organ harvesting did not take place.

Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that we are from Jupiter. Spin it Bgannon, they got caught with pants down.

They should face the same penalty the falsely accused would have faced.

--"I would say it would be pretty hard to remain alive if your organs were removed, and be able to talk about it. Incredible things happen in Kosovo. Anyway, a physical exam of these unwilling organ donors can verify this claim by Pristina."


Don't judge by a sentence, it maybe lost in translation. Maybe they "saw it" or probably a doctor would remove a kidney for 100,000 EUR. We don't know it 100%.

Time for Kosova to issue arrest warrants for Dacic, Bruno Vekaric and everyone that knew about this. Arrest them when they come in Kosova or when we join Interpol. Since they implicated Albania, Albania can probably help with Interpol. You can't just smear with horrible allegations.

"First of all it has to be established whether these allegations are true.

Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that organ harvesting did not take place."

Similarly, the allegations of organ harvesting have to be proven true. Then, allegations that it was organized by the UCK or the Albanian state, and not simply by criminal individuals, have to be proven true. And then allegations that is was ordered by the higher-ups in the UCK or the Albanian govt, have to be proven true. And then you are still left with reconciling between punishing a certain criminal activity, and punishing the whole population of Kosova by denying them statehood. You are still a long long way off to either a) criminalize the KLA, b) criminalize the Kosovar strugge from freedom, c) deny Kosova's independence.

And while these allegations of bribery, may or may not mean that organ harvesting took place, it certainly means that Serbia's secret services were involved in planting and fabricating false evidence in order to wage a propaganda war against the state of Kosova.

The fact that Serbian DIA was engaged to "create" fact in their favor is one of the facts that world understood "who is victim and who is victim er"

Although it was clear for most of people that the story was false, now your "great DIA" will clean and pay everything.

When I came home from FYROM after the 1999 war, your paramilitaries groups were in MY HOME, and I still keep facts for this. I can tell you for some of the facts.

"Some Serbs in Kosovo have been offered "EUR 100,000, a flat,and a car each to say that their organs have been extracted"
...and a prominent position in the Kosova government promised as well, so I heard, but I won't reveal the source. The footage to be broadcast soon."
(Logic, 12 June 2009 13:31)

Logic you couldn't be more wrong with your secret "sources" and all. The accussed have offered 100,000 to those who provide true information on organ harvesting committed, which is a completely legitimate and LEGAL practice. Sounds like the Albanian "authorities" got scared and this is there way of silencing things on the matter. They don't want to have things found out so they arrest these people on bogus charges and stage this P.R. campaign to deflect attention from the original allegations that organ harvesting was taking place. I bet you they will be forced to release these people shortly and hopefully then they can continue there work.

“pz:

Do you know what an "operacion i koduar" is? A "coded operation" doesn't mean anything to me, at least.”
Amer, to my understanding “operacion i koduar” is some operation/investigation carried out by achieving to get into the circle of the criminal activity, i.e. an undercover operation.
“As for what happened in Albania, I'm willing to wait and see what Dick Marty comes up with.”
I’m also very interested to see what will come out of the investigations regarding those allegations. Somehow I find it very very difficult to believe that an organized organ trafficking operation was carried out, as claimed by some, though I don’t rule out the possibility of tortures and killings, but having taken their organs is something that simply doesn’t fit with my understanding of Albanian people.
“ - I've read that this has been done at a clinic in Pristina.”
You are right. There were several arrested on that case, and if I’m not mistaken a Turkish citizen also.
Anyway, I think police are doing quite a good job. What remains a worry is the prosecution and other investigative organs.
In the end, I want to emphasize that I strongly support investigations on all these allegations (organ trafficking, yellow house, bribery, etc), and hope that justice will be brought upon all wrongdoers.

Wow, how pathetic again that the K-Albs would invent such a story. All you have to look for are suture/incision marks to prove areas where possible operations took place. The story sounds desperate, staged and very weak at best. Attempts at rewriting facts about the actual organ harvesting and insidious acts done by money hungry scum have failed.

How does one lie about having your organs removed? It's not like lying about where you were or what you did. If you had some organs removed, there is easy enough evidence to prove you did. Something is not right about this story.

pz:

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This is the link to original Kosovo Police report on the issue (Albanian).
The report says that they are being held on suspicions that they have pressured members of the families of the missing to give false statements to claim that they have been victims of organ trafficking during the war in 1999.
Unfortunately to some posting here, there is nowhere I can find in this report stating that organs were removed from these allegedly bribed persons.

Thank you for the link, pz, but I can't find anything in the document about families being pressured:

"Personat e arrestuar dyshohet se kanë kryer aktivitete kriminale dhe atë duke premtuar të holla dhe të mira të tjera materiale së paku një personi që të njëjtit të deklarojnë dhe dëshmojnë rrejshëm se ata kanë qenë viktima të transplantimit të organeve njerëzore gjatë kohës së luftës në Kosovë."

This is about bribing "at least one person" to give false testimony that "they [themselves, apparently] had been the victims of the transplantation of human organs during the war in Kosovo."

My knowledge of Albanian is not what it could be, so if I missed something, I apologize in advance. Your interpretation certainly makes more sense than the idea that people were being pressured to testify they had had an organ removed.

Unless these were people who had sold an organ - illegally - after the war, and therefore would have the scar and the missing organ? That might work. A fired policeman might even have known of such a case. Otherwise this seems to be shear nonsense.

Albanian nationalists cant face their awful past so they continue to lie themselves about what so-called KLA did. Many Serbs dissappeared during war. What will nationalists say that that is not true.

“Thank you for the link, pz, but I can't find anything in the document about families being pressured”
You are right Amer. In the original Police report there is nothing about families being pressured. By the way, your Albanian seems to be at the right level. Anyway, there were other news agencies reporting that there was pressure exercised on the families, so I guess I did mix the original police report with their reporting. I apologize for that.
As far as my interpretation of the issue, I want to add that it would have been shear nonsense for police to believe something like this, if there was not enough evidence to back it up. This is original Albanian from the police report, I didn’t dare translate it:
“Pas një periudhe të gjatë dhe të vazhdueshme hetimore, në koordinim edhe me Prokurorinë e Qarkut në Prishtinë , Drejtoria Kundër Krimit të Organizuar ka realizuar dje (11.06.09) operacion policor.
Ky operacion policor ishte zhvilluar në afërsi të Çagllavicës (Rajoni i Prishtinës) rreth orës 14:00.
Pas marrjes së disa informatave të rëndësishme lidhur me këtë rast përmes rrugëve operative policore dhe masave të fshehta të hetimit hetuesit nga Drejtoria kundër krimit të organizuar filluan operacionin e koduar në afërsi të Çagllavicës .
Gjatë operacionit hetuesit ishin asistuar nga Njësiti Mbështetës Operativ i Drejtorisë rajonale të Prishtinës.
Me grumbullimin e informatave dhe të dëshmive të ndryshme që mund të përdoren gjatë procedurës penale hetuesit e PK-së në koordinim të plotë me Prokurorinë Publike të Qarkut filluan veprimin policor në lokacionin e lartcekur.”

Lets go back to the bbc reporting:
“I saw a lot. I saw them beat and torture people .Some were not given food for five, six days, they would put vests on others, and then shoot them to make sure that the vests worked,” the witness recalled.

“I saw people pushed into graves, after being tortured and killed. The prisoners were Serbs, Roma and Kosovo Albanians. All of them were civilians,” he said.

The BBC found their second secret source in the Albanian town of Burrel.

Two former KLA members, who used to smuggle weapons, told BBC about how people were transported from Kosovo to Albania.

“I was told that I had to transport some people to Albania. There were three prisoners, civilians. Judging by the way they were dressed, I would say they were farmers. Their hands were tied,” the former KLA member described.

“When we took the first group from Kosovo to Burrel, I heard that they’d been examined by doctors there. They took their blood samples and asked if they had been tortured. That confused me. Why were they asking about their health?
As you can see here, these witnesses are not saying that their organs were removed, all they are saying is that: “I saw a lot. I saw them beat and torture people…” or the other KLA one “Then I heard something about how the prisoners or their kidneys were being transported to the airport. I heard that they were headed to Turkey”.
So, in my opinion, there is something behind all this.

'This sort of thing goes on all the time. Have you ever heard of a reward being paid for any information on some cames? I see it all the time on Crimestoppers here in Australia.

Isn't this paying for a witness?'

The difference is that the men here were allegedly willing to pay for false testimony. I doubt that you've seen that on Crimestoppers.

"What facts are you talking about? There are no facts that can prove that there was ever a YELLOW House. Show me the facts.."
AlbanskiPatriot

"The BBC’s source, a Kosovo Albanian prisoner in the Kukes camp, gave accounts of the torture, murder and abduction of Serbs, Albanians and Roma." http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=10&nav_id=58421

"In this instance, however, there were credible accounts of the abductions of 100-300 Serbs from Kosovo and their transport into Albania - their transport into a third country, across an international border, which is outrageous...http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=04&dd=18&nav_id=49520

This story comes from kps so it has to be true.The fact that the organ story was presented by delponte,someone who is anti-Serb gives it absolute credibility.God bless Serbia and our holy church.

'In the end, I want to emphasize that I strongly support investigations on all these allegations (organ trafficking, yellow house, bribery, etc), and hope that justice will be brought upon all wrongdoers.
(Pz, 13 June 2009 17:26) '

Amen to that.

I have to admit - this is a weird. I doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I want to say that this and some of the other Kosova/o Police jokers are making this stuff up ...


If it turns out to be true, then someone should replace those working for Serbia, since they made a colossal error that a 5 year old would get yelled at for.

pz:

Do you know what an "operacion i koduar" is? A "coded operation" doesn't mean anything to me, at least.

As for what happened in Albania, I'm willing to wait and see what Dick Marty comes up with.

The three arrested yesterday may be merely involved in a criminal case - it would make some kind of sense if a crook decided to take advantage of knowing that a Serb in Kosovo had sold an organ on the international blackmarket - I've read that this has been done at a clinic in Pristina. The crook then would try to bribe the person to say that it happened during the war, that the KLA had taken it from him. (Explaining how the victim remained alive would take some creativity.) The crook apparently assumed or hoped that the Serbian government would pay him for "evidence" that organ-smuggling had actually occurred in Albania during the war.

The doctor who performed the operation and could expose the plot would be expected to stay quiet, of course, because otherwise he'd be in trouble himself.

Since one of the accused was fired from the Kosovo Police for 'violating police regulations and procedures' it seems possible there was something fishy going on.

It's entirely possible, maybe probable, that the Serb Interior Police knew nothing about it: there were so many ways for something like this to go wrong and blow up in their faces, I'd be surprised if they had allowed it.

I just hope the Kosovo police had solid evidence before they made the arrest and weren't counting on a nice quick confession to solve all their problems.

'Don't judge by a sentence, it maybe lost in translation. Maybe they "saw it" or probably a doctor would remove a kidney for 100,000 EUR. We don't know it 100%.'

This was my first thought, too: the claim is simply too weird, that they would be trying to persuade people to lie about having an organ removed. But the Gazeta Express site is still under reconstruction, so I couldn't check the original.

The Kosovo Times says the men are "being held on suspicions that they have pressured members of the families of the missing to give false statements to claim that they have been victims of organ trafficking during the war in 1999."

Does anybody have access to the report in Albanian? Persuading people to lie about missing relatives having had their organs removed doesn't sound much more promising, as a strategy.

Lets get this in perspective:

First of all it has to be established whether these allegations are true.

Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that organ harvesting did not take place.
(bganon, 12 June 2009 14:24)

I was going to say the same thing. I wonder if Carla was also interested in getting an apartment and a car in Blegrade.

What would be her reason for lying?

Perhaps there was something going on but it does not prove that the original allegations of organ harvesting are false. Some people get strange ideas when they read in the papers about what is going on. They think they can profit from certain things but in the end only prove how greedy and unreliable they are.

If some people have tried to gain something by misfortune of of the missing Serbs, they should be made to suffer the consequences.

Witness tampering wrote,

Paying people to be "witnesses"? The serbian government way. Dacic just said that they are no BIA in Kosovo, how many Serbs actually believe this?

What Serbian government way? This sort of thing goes on all the time. Have you ever heard of a reward being paid for any information on some cames? I see it all the time on Crimestoppers here in Australia.

Isn't this paying for a witness?

Who knows what exactly was said and done but to claim that some are paying Serbs to lie about having their organs removed is ridiculous. What do you take the Serbs for? Idiots? Everyone knows that you cannot claim having an organ removed without having evidence of that. Anyway, they can only claim kidney removal. How can they claim heart of lungs being removed?

You Albanians are ready to belive every ridiculous claim you read about which makes the Serbs look bad but something as real al destruction of websites and property you brush off as kids being kids.

More hypocritical you cannot get.

The difference is that the men here were allegedly willing to pay for false testimony. I doubt that you've seen that on Crimestoppers.
(Amer, 14 June 2009 16:54)

Amer, I never said that I believed that ridiculous story about Serbs being bribed to lie about organ transplants. Nobody would fall for that except a few desperate people who are hoping that Serbia will make such a silly mistake.

I said that payment for information is perfectly legal and everyone does it. The two are not linked by me in any way.

Only a fool would believe that you could find a bunch of stupid Serbs to claim they had organs removed. Nobody is silly enough to try to lie about that and nobody is silly enough to waste their money on someone who would and would be declared a liar very quickly.

If your KPS wants to lie, they should invent a believable lie.

"Kosovo Police Service (KPS) spokesman Arber Beka told FoNet that the KPS had information that the suspects had offered Serbs in Kosovo EUR 100,000, a flat and a car each to say that their organs had been extracted."

Its easy to see if someone has been operated on. This is just another attempt by albanians to rid Kosovo of its serbian population. This is proof to Kosovo serbs that they should never give up to albanian demands and never join anything albanian.

"kosovo police"?

You mean albanian thugs?

I heard from the "Kosova" government that these people also murdered John F. Kennedy, kidnapped and are holding Elvis Presley, and are responsible for the alien crop circles.

Lets get this in perspective:

First of all it has to be established whether these allegations are true.

Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that organ harvesting did not take place.

Vey interesting. Slowly but surely everything will come on the surface and the truth will be told that never was any organ harvesting.BIA must ahve dished out alot of money to make this story look real. so much for that.

o? seems that they do not want their friends in south america be discovered? Need to pay huge money to say they died in albaniafrom organ harvesting?
BIA connection in south america are very interesting ,they get you in touch with war criminals!

Some Serbs in Kosovo have been offered "EUR 100,000, a flat,and a car each to say that their organs have been extracted"
...and a prominent position in the Kosova government promised as well, so I heard, but I won't reveal the source. The footage to be broadcast soon.

Serbia is setting a dengerous precident for fueling all this extra hate in kosovo. the more your government sponsors these thugs in kosovo, the more bigger states wil just thinks its fair game against the serbs like vojvodina.

but continue your fabrications, as the truth came out, it will come out again.

Now the Serb camp will claim that this is propaganda. How can someone say something happened to them (my organs were taken) if it did not??

Finally, The truth about organ trafficking and yellow house. Another serbian government myth discarded. 100.000 euro for propaganda. How many millions are already spent till now for things like this? Isn't this serbian people's money? It's going to a selected group of couple of thousands? Why does the average serbian citizen accept this?

A new low for Serbia!!

--Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that organ harvesting did not take place.

Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that we are from Jupiter. Spin it Bgannon, they got caught with pants down.

They should face the same penalty the falsely accused would have faced.

Radio Kosova learned from confidential sources that they are accused of having spurred families of missing Serbs to give false testimony, with the goal to fabricate the affair of allegations on human organ trafficking (transplant) by KLA during the war. The information of Radio Kosova, that these detainees are suspected of staging this issue (affair) was also confirmed to RTK by police spokesperson, Mr. Arber Beka.
I don’t want to make any judgment on this, but if it is true, then so much for the allegations of the Carla Del Ponte’s book and the BBC reporting on this issue.

How great it is to have great neighboors like Serbia. Just like Millosevic Tadic and his croonies did not give up the campaign of slandering the albanians. No one with 2 cents fo medical education belives the stroies about organ harvesting. LOL

--"I would say it would be pretty hard to remain alive if your organs were removed, and be able to talk about it. Incredible things happen in Kosovo. Anyway, a physical exam of these unwilling organ donors can verify this claim by Pristina."


Don't judge by a sentence, it maybe lost in translation. Maybe they "saw it" or probably a doctor would remove a kidney for 100,000 EUR. We don't know it 100%.

Time for Kosova to issue arrest warrants for Dacic, Bruno Vekaric and everyone that knew about this. Arrest them when they come in Kosova or when we join Interpol. Since they implicated Albania, Albania can probably help with Interpol. You can't just smear with horrible allegations.

I AM absolutely disgusted
Shame on you Dacic, B.Vekaric.

Wow, bribing people for saying that their organs have been harvested by 'monstrous albanians'. I did think that this story might be true in the begining, but as time went by, I do not think that Kosovar Goverment would get red carpet treatment around the globe if this was true.

I wouldn't be suprised, then, that this might be the yet another andersenesque story made in Belgrade. Time will only tell.

I could only logically think that, if Security Agencies were in need for BRIBING people to testify that their organs have been harvested, it only proves how much truth was in these allegations.

If KPS can prove this, it will be yet another shamefull saga comming from Belgrade.

I always say 'where there is smoke there is fire'. Thats what I thought in the first place about the organs harvesting.

But now again I would say 'where there....

To MikeC

What facts are you talking about? There are no facts that can prove that there was ever a YELLOW House. Show me the facts..

What a ridiculous claim to make. Who on earth would give someone €100,000, a car and flat to lie about something that can be easily verified?

It was never even reported that we had live witnesses so when did they suddenly appear?

Our Southern citizens have a long way to go it seems. They are not even convincing liars. Anyone with a bit of common sense can see right through it.

Good job Kosova Intelegence Agency. If it's true what I've read on Albanian websites and B92, this will put Serb government in worse position than it is right now. Chances are the guy named Vekaric would be involved in this huge crime.
What if Vekaric is really involved?. That would be called STATE-SPONSORED CRIME.

This forum just shows how selective the albanians are. They choose to believe a claim by another albanian while ignoring a fact of human organ harvestign that is widley known to the entire world. There are even albanian wittnesses to these crimes. Anyone can claim anything, as long as it fits the albanian agenda it is true. Albanians must be the most perfect people on the earth. All those claims of human trafficing, uck terrorism in Kosovo and abroad, corruption, organ harvesting, drugsmugling, the expulsion of minorities, the burning of Serb churches etc etc is just not true, right! It Serb propagande! Enver Hoxha was a Serbian puppet, right? The comet that exterminated all the dinosaur is Milosevics fault.

"First of all it has to be established whether these allegations are true.

Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that organ harvesting did not take place."

Similarly, the allegations of organ harvesting have to be proven true. Then, allegations that it was organized by the UCK or the Albanian state, and not simply by criminal individuals, have to be proven true. And then allegations that is was ordered by the higher-ups in the UCK or the Albanian govt, have to be proven true. And then you are still left with reconciling between punishing a certain criminal activity, and punishing the whole population of Kosova by denying them statehood. You are still a long long way off to either a) criminalize the KLA, b) criminalize the Kosovar strugge from freedom, c) deny Kosova's independence.

And while these allegations of bribery, may or may not mean that organ harvesting took place, it certainly means that Serbia's secret services were involved in planting and fabricating false evidence in order to wage a propaganda war against the state of Kosova.

I don't know what's more amusing. . .this story about bribing people to pretend that their vital organs are missing or these Albanian posters who actually believe it!?

People. . .you can't pretend that your kidney or liver or heart is missing. A quick medical inspection is all that is required to prove validity. Heck. . .ask them to show you their scars is an even easier way to satisfy curiousity!

Next time you want to spread your propaganda. . .let the American and the British news services do it for you like the last time. . .they are a little more sophisticated.

Well said Winston.

To all Albanians in kosovo; Make a revolution or whatever it takes to change your leaders and head of ministries, import some educated albanians from albania or from the diaspora, whatever but do something. The K-Alb gov. continuously shoots himself in the feet with ridiculous actions, statements and becoming and embarrassing friend he looses slowly the supports it has from the West.

"What facts are you talking about? There are no facts that can prove that there was ever a YELLOW House. Show me the facts.."
AlbanskiPatriot

"The BBC’s source, a Kosovo Albanian prisoner in the Kukes camp, gave accounts of the torture, murder and abduction of Serbs, Albanians and Roma." http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=10&nav_id=58421

"In this instance, however, there were credible accounts of the abductions of 100-300 Serbs from Kosovo and their transport into Albania - their transport into a third country, across an international border, which is outrageous...http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=04&dd=18&nav_id=49520

"Some Serbs in Kosovo have been offered "EUR 100,000, a flat,and a car each to say that their organs have been extracted"
...and a prominent position in the Kosova government promised as well, so I heard, but I won't reveal the source. The footage to be broadcast soon."
(Logic, 12 June 2009 13:31)

Logic you couldn't be more wrong with your secret "sources" and all. The accussed have offered 100,000 to those who provide true information on organ harvesting committed, which is a completely legitimate and LEGAL practice. Sounds like the Albanian "authorities" got scared and this is there way of silencing things on the matter. They don't want to have things found out so they arrest these people on bogus charges and stage this P.R. campaign to deflect attention from the original allegations that organ harvesting was taking place. I bet you they will be forced to release these people shortly and hopefully then they can continue there work.

This is the dumbest report/investigation I've heard thus far. I can't go around saying I had open heart surgery without a zipper going thru my chest. This "investigation" is just as obvious as the Bosnian's recent release of Mladic video in the continued offensive to discredit Serbia. Of course Albanians will do anything and everything to discredit any and all information pertaining to their responsibilities during the conflict. Has any albanian been prosectured for anything
during this war?

Even if this report has merit, which I doubt, the fact remains that organs were harvested and that Serbian civilians were murdered in Albania after NATO arrival.

The kidnapping and organ theft claims were made by former KLA people who were involved and also some Albanians who were kidnapped and/or held in concentration camps with the Serbs.

Some of these people live in Albania, so it would be impossible for Serbs to bribe them.

Plus you do have the several hundreds of missing people whose bodies have not been found and suspicious things found in Albania.

I think this is false charges by Albanians to try to cover up their kidnappings and organ thefts.

Also, there was an illegal transplant discovered recently in Kosovo - and they found the Turkish guy who'd had his kidney taken out when he was at the airport - he was very sick and in pain.

They also found the Israeli guy in Kosovo who'd received the kidney transplant.

The Kosovo Albanian doctor involved had long ago been named for the war time and after war time illegal organ theft.

Additionally, Italy has opened an investigation on Albania for illegal organs trade - on childrens' organs.

So the Albanians are involved in this stuff.

'Don't judge by a sentence, it maybe lost in translation. Maybe they "saw it" or probably a doctor would remove a kidney for 100,000 EUR. We don't know it 100%.'

This was my first thought, too: the claim is simply too weird, that they would be trying to persuade people to lie about having an organ removed. But the Gazeta Express site is still under reconstruction, so I couldn't check the original.

The Kosovo Times says the men are "being held on suspicions that they have pressured members of the families of the missing to give false statements to claim that they have been victims of organ trafficking during the war in 1999."

Does anybody have access to the report in Albanian? Persuading people to lie about missing relatives having had their organs removed doesn't sound much more promising, as a strategy.

Could be true, but I do not trust this story. Sounds like a dangerous provocation for me, with malicious intent. And out of sudden now they need UNMIK help.

If you think twice, the entire accusation is about a sad joke. People cannot claim their organs being removed - it's so easy to prove if they are not telling the truth.

As for organ removal: either the accused are brainless (unlikely) or the KPS is (very likely). If it turns to be baseless, they will have a problem.

http://www.kosovopolice.com/informatat/informatat$/Tre%20te%20arrestuar%20nga%20Drejtoria%20kunder%20krimit%20te%20organizuar%2012%2006%202009.htm
This is the link to original Kosovo Police report on the issue (Albanian).
The report says that they are being held on suspicions that they have pressured members of the families of the missing to give false statements to claim that they have been victims of organ trafficking during the war in 1999.
Unfortunately to some posting here, there is nowhere I can find in this report stating that organs were removed from these allegedly bribed persons. This, as many state is the easiest thing to tell. Do you guys remember the BBC reports on this alleged issue? The persons cited on those reports were all witnesses, what means that they were in a way victims of “organ trafficking”, just like these bribed ones here.

Paying people to be "witnesses"? The serbian government way. Dacic just said that they are no BIA in Kosovo, how many Serbs actually believe this?

No wonder Vekaric had all that information. So much "information" Serbia needed IMF loans to buy it! Time for EULEX and ICJ to cut serbia off intelligence sharing and open an investigation.

Memo to BIA: For $120,000 I will say that I saw Thaci eating babies as Haradinaj stood guard! No need for a flat in Zemun or a Zastava car.

Albanian nationalists cant face their awful past so they continue to lie themselves about what so-called KLA did. Many Serbs dissappeared during war. What will nationalists say that that is not true.

This story comes from kps so it has to be true.The fact that the organ story was presented by delponte,someone who is anti-Serb gives it absolute credibility.God bless Serbia and our holy church.

Wow, how pathetic again that the K-Albs would invent such a story. All you have to look for are suture/incision marks to prove areas where possible operations took place. The story sounds desperate, staged and very weak at best. Attempts at rewriting facts about the actual organ harvesting and insidious acts done by money hungry scum have failed.

Witness tampering wrote,

Paying people to be "witnesses"? The serbian government way. Dacic just said that they are no BIA in Kosovo, how many Serbs actually believe this?

What Serbian government way? This sort of thing goes on all the time. Have you ever heard of a reward being paid for any information on some cames? I see it all the time on Crimestoppers here in Australia.

Isn't this paying for a witness?

Who knows what exactly was said and done but to claim that some are paying Serbs to lie about having their organs removed is ridiculous. What do you take the Serbs for? Idiots? Everyone knows that you cannot claim having an organ removed without having evidence of that. Anyway, they can only claim kidney removal. How can they claim heart of lungs being removed?

You Albanians are ready to belive every ridiculous claim you read about which makes the Serbs look bad but something as real al destruction of websites and property you brush off as kids being kids.

More hypocritical you cannot get.

I would say it would be pretty hard to remain alive if your organs were removed, and be able to talk about it. Incredible things happen in Kosovo. Anyway, a physical exam of these unwilling organ donors can verify this claim by Pristina.

Lets get this in perspective:

First of all it has to be established whether these allegations are true.

Secondly if they are true, it does not mean that organ harvesting did not take place.
(bganon, 12 June 2009 14:24)

I was going to say the same thing. I wonder if Carla was also interested in getting an apartment and a car in Blegrade.

What would be her reason for lying?

Perhaps there was something going on but it does not prove that the original allegations of organ harvesting are false. Some people get strange ideas when they read in the papers about what is going on. They think they can profit from certain things but in the end only prove how greedy and unreliable they are.

If some people have tried to gain something by misfortune of of the missing Serbs, they should be made to suffer the consequences.

The fact that Serbian DIA was engaged to "create" fact in their favor is one of the facts that world understood "who is victim and who is victim er"

Although it was clear for most of people that the story was false, now your "great DIA" will clean and pay everything.

When I came home from FYROM after the 1999 war, your paramilitaries groups were in MY HOME, and I still keep facts for this. I can tell you for some of the facts.

I have to admit - this is a weird. I doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I want to say that this and some of the other Kosova/o Police jokers are making this stuff up ...


If it turns out to be true, then someone should replace those working for Serbia, since they made a colossal error that a 5 year old would get yelled at for.

The difference is that the men here were allegedly willing to pay for false testimony. I doubt that you've seen that on Crimestoppers.
(Amer, 14 June 2009 16:54)

Amer, I never said that I believed that ridiculous story about Serbs being bribed to lie about organ transplants. Nobody would fall for that except a few desperate people who are hoping that Serbia will make such a silly mistake.

I said that payment for information is perfectly legal and everyone does it. The two are not linked by me in any way.

Only a fool would believe that you could find a bunch of stupid Serbs to claim they had organs removed. Nobody is silly enough to try to lie about that and nobody is silly enough to waste their money on someone who would and would be declared a liar very quickly.

If your KPS wants to lie, they should invent a believable lie.

pz:

[link]$/Tre%20te%20arrestuar%20nga%20Drejtoria%20kunder%20krimit%20te%20organizuar%2012%2006%202009.htm
This is the link to original Kosovo Police report on the issue (Albanian).
The report says that they are being held on suspicions that they have pressured members of the families of the missing to give false statements to claim that they have been victims of organ trafficking during the war in 1999.
Unfortunately to some posting here, there is nowhere I can find in this report stating that organs were removed from these allegedly bribed persons.

Thank you for the link, pz, but I can't find anything in the document about families being pressured:

"Personat e arrestuar dyshohet se kanë kryer aktivitete kriminale dhe atë duke premtuar të holla dhe të mira të tjera materiale së paku një personi që të njëjtit të deklarojnë dhe dëshmojnë rrejshëm se ata kanë qenë viktima të transplantimit të organeve njerëzore gjatë kohës së luftës në Kosovë."

This is about bribing "at least one person" to give false testimony that "they [themselves, apparently] had been the victims of the transplantation of human organs during the war in Kosovo."

My knowledge of Albanian is not what it could be, so if I missed something, I apologize in advance. Your interpretation certainly makes more sense than the idea that people were being pressured to testify they had had an organ removed.

Unless these were people who had sold an organ - illegally - after the war, and therefore would have the scar and the missing organ? That might work. A fired policeman might even have known of such a case. Otherwise this seems to be shear nonsense.

'In the end, I want to emphasize that I strongly support investigations on all these allegations (organ trafficking, yellow house, bribery, etc), and hope that justice will be brought upon all wrongdoers.
(Pz, 13 June 2009 17:26) '

Amen to that.

How does one lie about having your organs removed? It's not like lying about where you were or what you did. If you had some organs removed, there is easy enough evidence to prove you did. Something is not right about this story.

“Thank you for the link, pz, but I can't find anything in the document about families being pressured”
You are right Amer. In the original Police report there is nothing about families being pressured. By the way, your Albanian seems to be at the right level. Anyway, there were other news agencies reporting that there was pressure exercised on the families, so I guess I did mix the original police report with their reporting. I apologize for that.
As far as my interpretation of the issue, I want to add that it would have been shear nonsense for police to believe something like this, if there was not enough evidence to back it up. This is original Albanian from the police report, I didn’t dare translate it:
“Pas një periudhe të gjatë dhe të vazhdueshme hetimore, në koordinim edhe me Prokurorinë e Qarkut në Prishtinë , Drejtoria Kundër Krimit të Organizuar ka realizuar dje (11.06.09) operacion policor.
Ky operacion policor ishte zhvilluar në afërsi të Çagllavicës (Rajoni i Prishtinës) rreth orës 14:00.
Pas marrjes së disa informatave të rëndësishme lidhur me këtë rast përmes rrugëve operative policore dhe masave të fshehta të hetimit hetuesit nga Drejtoria kundër krimit të organizuar filluan operacionin e koduar në afërsi të Çagllavicës .
Gjatë operacionit hetuesit ishin asistuar nga Njësiti Mbështetës Operativ i Drejtorisë rajonale të Prishtinës.
Me grumbullimin e informatave dhe të dëshmive të ndryshme që mund të përdoren gjatë procedurës penale hetuesit e PK-së në koordinim të plotë me Prokurorinë Publike të Qarkut filluan veprimin policor në lokacionin e lartcekur.”

Lets go back to the bbc reporting:
“I saw a lot. I saw them beat and torture people .Some were not given food for five, six days, they would put vests on others, and then shoot them to make sure that the vests worked,” the witness recalled.

“I saw people pushed into graves, after being tortured and killed. The prisoners were Serbs, Roma and Kosovo Albanians. All of them were civilians,” he said.

The BBC found their second secret source in the Albanian town of Burrel.

Two former KLA members, who used to smuggle weapons, told BBC about how people were transported from Kosovo to Albania.

“I was told that I had to transport some people to Albania. There were three prisoners, civilians. Judging by the way they were dressed, I would say they were farmers. Their hands were tied,” the former KLA member described.

“When we took the first group from Kosovo to Burrel, I heard that they’d been examined by doctors there. They took their blood samples and asked if they had been tortured. That confused me. Why were they asking about their health?
As you can see here, these witnesses are not saying that their organs were removed, all they are saying is that: “I saw a lot. I saw them beat and torture people…” or the other KLA one “Then I heard something about how the prisoners or their kidneys were being transported to the airport. I heard that they were headed to Turkey”.
So, in my opinion, there is something behind all this.

pz:

Do you know what an "operacion i koduar" is? A "coded operation" doesn't mean anything to me, at least.

As for what happened in Albania, I'm willing to wait and see what Dick Marty comes up with.

The three arrested yesterday may be merely involved in a criminal case - it would make some kind of sense if a crook decided to take advantage of knowing that a Serb in Kosovo had sold an organ on the international blackmarket - I've read that this has been done at a clinic in Pristina. The crook then would try to bribe the person to say that it happened during the war, that the KLA had taken it from him. (Explaining how the victim remained alive would take some creativity.) The crook apparently assumed or hoped that the Serbian government would pay him for "evidence" that organ-smuggling had actually occurred in Albania during the war.

The doctor who performed the operation and could expose the plot would be expected to stay quiet, of course, because otherwise he'd be in trouble himself.

Since one of the accused was fired from the Kosovo Police for 'violating police regulations and procedures' it seems possible there was something fishy going on.

It's entirely possible, maybe probable, that the Serb Interior Police knew nothing about it: there were so many ways for something like this to go wrong and blow up in their faces, I'd be surprised if they had allowed it.

I just hope the Kosovo police had solid evidence before they made the arrest and weren't counting on a nice quick confession to solve all their problems.

“pz:

Do you know what an "operacion i koduar" is? A "coded operation" doesn't mean anything to me, at least.”
Amer, to my understanding “operacion i koduar” is some operation/investigation carried out by achieving to get into the circle of the criminal activity, i.e. an undercover operation.
“As for what happened in Albania, I'm willing to wait and see what Dick Marty comes up with.”
I’m also very interested to see what will come out of the investigations regarding those allegations. Somehow I find it very very difficult to believe that an organized organ trafficking operation was carried out, as claimed by some, though I don’t rule out the possibility of tortures and killings, but having taken their organs is something that simply doesn’t fit with my understanding of Albanian people.
“ - I've read that this has been done at a clinic in Pristina.”
You are right. There were several arrested on that case, and if I’m not mistaken a Turkish citizen also.
Anyway, I think police are doing quite a good job. What remains a worry is the prosecution and other investigative organs.
In the end, I want to emphasize that I strongly support investigations on all these allegations (organ trafficking, yellow house, bribery, etc), and hope that justice will be brought upon all wrongdoers.

'This sort of thing goes on all the time. Have you ever heard of a reward being paid for any information on some cames? I see it all the time on Crimestoppers here in Australia.

Isn't this paying for a witness?'

The difference is that the men here were allegedly willing to pay for false testimony. I doubt that you've seen that on Crimestoppers.