Defense chief in Macedonia visit

Macedonia or Fyrom?

STALIN TO BULGARIAN DELEGATION (G. Dimitrov, V. Kolarov, T. Kostov)
The Kremlin, 7 June 1946

Cultural autonomy must be granted to Pirin Macedonia within the framework of Bulgaria. Tito has shown himself more flexible than you ...That a Macedonian consciousness has not yet developed among the population is of no account. No such consciousness existed in Belarus either when we proclaimed it a Soviet Republic."

What's that??? no "Makedonski" conciousness before commie propaganda?

For Macedonia to be recognized as an independent state, it would be necessary to change its name [...] It is historically proven that the Yugoslavian Democracy of Macedonia was created by Stalin, Tito and Dimitrov, aiming at the stealthy removal of a large part of Northern Greece. This Democracy was used during the period 1944-1949 in order to destabilise Greece.
*Thomas Niles, US Ambassador

Attention may have been deflected from the danger in that area by the nature of the dispute between Macedonia and Greece, which is seen as being ostensibly over a name, although it amounts to more than that. A name is important as it gives an area an identity. I shall not indulge in a lecture on the ancient identity of the Macedonians and on Philip II of Macedon and Alexander the Great, but the Greeks were historically correct in the campaign that they launched in the early days of the dispute. Understandably, detached outsiders say, "But that is ancient history, isn't it?" Nor shall I engage in a lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944, although that, too, has much hard factual content. I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of VARDARSKA BANONIVA as the Republic of Macedonia in 1944 was a political statement. More than that, it was a territorial claim. It laid claim to territory in Greece and in Bulgaria. Notably, the objective was the warm water port of Salonika on the Aegean.
The Greeks fought a bloody civil war on that issue between 1945 and 1949, when we were celebrating the peace that was commemorated as recently as yesterday. Clause 49 of the constitution of the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia enshrines that claim and subsequent propaganda, especially by a political faction, the VMRO, has kept the claim alive ever since.
Edward O'Hara, House of Commons Hansard Debates for 9 May 1995, Column 601

Though once the heart of the empire of Alexander the Great,(Greek Macedonian) has been for centuries a geographical expression rather than a political entity, and is today inhabited by an inextricable medley of people, among whom the Serbs, now Yugoslavs, are certainly the least numerous. But a "Federal Macedonia" has been projected as an integral part of Tito's plan for a federated Balkans...taking Greek Macedonia for an outlet to the Aegean Sea through Salonica.
THE NEW YORK TIMES, July 10, 1946

Alexandros?

Greece?!!!!

What about Albanians who make up 40 % of FYROM Popllation?

Yes Doni...Of course Alexandros is from Greece. Are you surprised that he mentions no albanians whatsoever in his coment???!!
I'll tell you why.
Greek people are one of the most religiously blinded people in the world. They consider serbs and other slavs in ex-yugoslavia "brothers" just because they have the same religion. They are to lazy/dumb to even open a history book to find out that albanians were in Balkans since at least 4-5 thousands years ago.
So they'd rather stick with serbians just because they have the same religion, even though slavs were the ones that tried and still trying to screw them.
Instead they should've been one of the first countries to have recognized Kosovo.
I lived there for about 3 years. When I first went there I was excited to be in this rich ,ancient culture country,only to be so disappointed when I found out that most greeks don't even know their own history,nevermind Albania's.
So yeah...sorry buddy. Now you know Alexandros never mentioned us..:)

"I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of VARDARSKA BANONIVA as the Republic of Macedonia in 1944 was a political statement."
-Alexandros

Vardarska Banovina was a name imposed and in use for less than twenty years which also included parts of Serbia.
And if there was never a Macedonian consciousness, why was there an internal "Macedonian" Revolutionary organization, although many of the members were serbs or bulgars, they considered themsevles macedonians first or it would have been the internal serbo-bulgar revolutionary organization.

Before the kingdom of yugoslavia, greek, bulgarian and vardar macedonia were all one territory referred to as Macedonia. Before that, vardar macedonia was called macedonia salutaris and before that the kingdom of macedonia and finally in the beginnning it was paionia, pelagonia, dardania, thrace, etc. Most of us have nothing to do with the ancient macedonians as our ancestors came to the region 1400 years ago, but that doesn't disqualify a seperate macedonian identity from serbia and bulgaria, because serbs, croats, bosniaks, montenegrins and bulgarians are all slavs but have their own identies. We are regional Macedonians, but Macedonians none the less. This bull sh-t about claiming Alexander and all that is just a reaction to the Greek's opposition to our existence. Our own president once said that we have nothing to do with the Ancient Macedonians, but now because Greece wont just let us be, we're building a stupid statue of Alexander the great in Skopje so big it will cast a shadow over the whole city. The Greeks just should have left us alone and there wouldn't be this mess.

Oh and why do Albanians keep claiming they make up 40-50% of the population? What a joke, have you ever been there? There are plenty of cities that you probably won't even find one albanian in.

Macedonia or Fyrom?

STALIN TO BULGARIAN DELEGATION (G. Dimitrov, V. Kolarov, T. Kostov)
The Kremlin, 7 June 1946

Cultural autonomy must be granted to Pirin Macedonia within the framework of Bulgaria. Tito has shown himself more flexible than you ...That a Macedonian consciousness has not yet developed among the population is of no account. No such consciousness existed in Belarus either when we proclaimed it a Soviet Republic."

What's that??? no "Makedonski" conciousness before commie propaganda?

For Macedonia to be recognized as an independent state, it would be necessary to change its name [...] It is historically proven that the Yugoslavian Democracy of Macedonia was created by Stalin, Tito and Dimitrov, aiming at the stealthy removal of a large part of Northern Greece. This Democracy was used during the period 1944-1949 in order to destabilise Greece.
*Thomas Niles, US Ambassador

Attention may have been deflected from the danger in that area by the nature of the dispute between Macedonia and Greece, which is seen as being ostensibly over a name, although it amounts to more than that. A name is important as it gives an area an identity. I shall not indulge in a lecture on the ancient identity of the Macedonians and on Philip II of Macedon and Alexander the Great, but the Greeks were historically correct in the campaign that they launched in the early days of the dispute. Understandably, detached outsiders say, "But that is ancient history, isn't it?" Nor shall I engage in a lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944, although that, too, has much hard factual content. I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of VARDARSKA BANONIVA as the Republic of Macedonia in 1944 was a political statement. More than that, it was a territorial claim. It laid claim to territory in Greece and in Bulgaria. Notably, the objective was the warm water port of Salonika on the Aegean.
The Greeks fought a bloody civil war on that issue between 1945 and 1949, when we were celebrating the peace that was commemorated as recently as yesterday. Clause 49 of the constitution of the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia enshrines that claim and subsequent propaganda, especially by a political faction, the VMRO, has kept the claim alive ever since.
Edward O'Hara, House of Commons Hansard Debates for 9 May 1995, Column 601

Though once the heart of the empire of Alexander the Great,(Greek Macedonian) has been for centuries a geographical expression rather than a political entity, and is today inhabited by an inextricable medley of people, among whom the Serbs, now Yugoslavs, are certainly the least numerous. But a "Federal Macedonia" has been projected as an integral part of Tito's plan for a federated Balkans...taking Greek Macedonia for an outlet to the Aegean Sea through Salonica.
THE NEW YORK TIMES, July 10, 1946

Alexandros?

Greece?!!!!

What about Albanians who make up 40 % of FYROM Popllation?

Yes Doni...Of course Alexandros is from Greece. Are you surprised that he mentions no albanians whatsoever in his coment???!!
I'll tell you why.
Greek people are one of the most religiously blinded people in the world. They consider serbs and other slavs in ex-yugoslavia "brothers" just because they have the same religion. They are to lazy/dumb to even open a history book to find out that albanians were in Balkans since at least 4-5 thousands years ago.
So they'd rather stick with serbians just because they have the same religion, even though slavs were the ones that tried and still trying to screw them.
Instead they should've been one of the first countries to have recognized Kosovo.
I lived there for about 3 years. When I first went there I was excited to be in this rich ,ancient culture country,only to be so disappointed when I found out that most greeks don't even know their own history,nevermind Albania's.
So yeah...sorry buddy. Now you know Alexandros never mentioned us..:)

"I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of VARDARSKA BANONIVA as the Republic of Macedonia in 1944 was a political statement."
-Alexandros

Vardarska Banovina was a name imposed and in use for less than twenty years which also included parts of Serbia.
And if there was never a Macedonian consciousness, why was there an internal "Macedonian" Revolutionary organization, although many of the members were serbs or bulgars, they considered themsevles macedonians first or it would have been the internal serbo-bulgar revolutionary organization.

Before the kingdom of yugoslavia, greek, bulgarian and vardar macedonia were all one territory referred to as Macedonia. Before that, vardar macedonia was called macedonia salutaris and before that the kingdom of macedonia and finally in the beginnning it was paionia, pelagonia, dardania, thrace, etc. Most of us have nothing to do with the ancient macedonians as our ancestors came to the region 1400 years ago, but that doesn't disqualify a seperate macedonian identity from serbia and bulgaria, because serbs, croats, bosniaks, montenegrins and bulgarians are all slavs but have their own identies. We are regional Macedonians, but Macedonians none the less. This bull sh-t about claiming Alexander and all that is just a reaction to the Greek's opposition to our existence. Our own president once said that we have nothing to do with the Ancient Macedonians, but now because Greece wont just let us be, we're building a stupid statue of Alexander the great in Skopje so big it will cast a shadow over the whole city. The Greeks just should have left us alone and there wouldn't be this mess.

Oh and why do Albanians keep claiming they make up 40-50% of the population? What a joke, have you ever been there? There are plenty of cities that you probably won't even find one albanian in.