K. Albanians announce "new recognitions"

Just a few points why Kosova is not Palestine,
At time of her declaration Palestine was de facto not independent, de jure partly independent.
Kosova de facto independence predates her actual independence by at least 10 years, de jure partly independent BUT still in process.
Huge difference on independence as a concept but also as a practice. Israel military moves into Palestinian territories at will. Serbia can’t move into her territory, (demilitarised zone).
At the time of declaration Palestine authorities it didn’t recognise the right of Israel to exist and thus having no real chance of succeeding on idependence.
Kosova since adoption of her independence declaration announced her commitment to peace and stability in the region and her wish to have good neighbourly relations with all her neighbours.
Palestine requires consent of Israel to have a real chance of having some invested sovereign authority. Israel can only shut down border and electricity to have a real crisis in Palestine.
Kosova neighbours four states, three of which recognise her independence, not to mention being surrounded by Albanian inhabited areas for almost ¾ of her frontiers.
Palestian independence was opposed by the biggest player in international affairs USA.
USA is the stronger supporter of an independent Kosova.
No need for me to go on and on.
This time around President Barack Hussein Obama has made a firm commitment for a viable and independent Palestinian state, so and hopefully he’ll see it through.

Good luck, more recognitions will help stabilise not just Kosovo, but the regional as a whole.

Even if true this really isn't going to make Kosovo independent. Without a UN seat and Serbian reocgnition this misguided idea will never come to fruition.

There are enough powerful countries on our side to ensure this independence drive is just a waste of time. Of course that won't stop poorer and weaker countries accepting "incentives" to proclaim their worthless recognitions.

Remember that Palestine is recognised by more than half of UN members but unless Israel agrees it will never become a state. Kosovo is in a similar boat except that Serbia will never allow the Albanians to have a second state. I expect this to take some time to sink in while it seems the US is rethinking this mess they created.

"Even if true this really isn't going to make Kosovo independent. Without a UN seat and Serbian reocgnition this misguided idea will never come to fruitition."

Zoran,

If what you are saying why Jeremic is so nervous and travelling to Africa, Latin America trying to influence these country not to recognise Kosova's independence?. He can "comfortably" sit and say we have Russian brother in the SC who will veto Kosova's membership in the UN.

Secondly don't you think it is a "misguided idea" as you put it for Kosova returning to Serbia?

"Serbia will never allow the Albanians to have a second state."

Serbia the superpower will not allow us? Just do what EULEX says for now, we'll solve the rest as you start to approach EU

We were supposed to see "100 recognitions in 48 hours" after UDI. That didn't happen.

We were supposed to get a "wave" of recognitions at the OIC. That didn't happen.

We were supposed to see a "wave" at OAS. That didn't happen.

Thaci has proven himself to be either an overly optimistic idealist, or a pathological liar.

I'll believe them when I see them. And even if they come, they'll have about the same effect on the internal dynamics of Kosovo as the last.

Go Kosova!Go!New recognitions in every way!
KOSOVA IS ALBANIA!

Remember that Palestine is recognised by more than half of UN members but unless Israel agrees it will never become a state. Kosovo is in a similar boat except that Serbia will never allow the Albanians to have a second state. I expect this to take some time to sink in while it seems the US is rethinking this mess they created.
(Zoran, 7 June 2009, 15:50)

Yeah but a huge BUT. Kosovo is supported by Europeans, as after all it is Europe, and also the mighty US of A.

Once the kosovo gets those 100 recognitions, nobody's veto will unseat Kosova from UN as the majority of the UN support the seat of Kosovo.

But hey, the time will tell. We can speculate all we want, but do not ignore the USA and EU fact that those countries are a staunch supporters of Kosovo's Independence.

After all they are the ones who decide what will happen in their backyard and not Mongolia or Iran. As they are sick of the wars of exYU.

Afetr all have we not witness 1244? The UNMIK is packing their bags, slowly but surely, Rome was not build in a day.Facts are facts.

Zoran

In case you haven't noticed, the Albanians control most of Kosova, and have been running their own affairs independently of Serbia for 10 years now. Serbia has NO SAY in what goes on in most of Kosova. Perhaps things ar enot perfect, but then again, neither are they perfect in Serbia. As long as Serbia continues to be snubbed on the world stage, we are happy.

Seriously, Hyseni ?

We Kosovars dont think hiss words are relevant. Move on. As for recognitions, his statement is to increase his LDK party chances rather than 'real recognitions'.

Just a bluff

K-Albanians are getting frustrated with their govt and this is a way to make some "promises".

Tunxh:

"As long as Serbia gets snubbed."

Well then let me counter, as long as Serbia does everything in it's power to destroy, dismantle, harass, humiliate, intimidate, and regain control over Serbia Kosovo, I'm all for it!

Why don't you tell us how are we being snubbed per your baseless perception. From who? Regarding what? Oh let me guess, the world is lining up for albanian culture and geopolitical strategy?

In time, the undoing of the albanians will be their sense of absolute entitlement and intimidation of neighboring communities with violence. Unfortunately, albanian force must be met with force, action with reaction, cause and effect. Only time will tell, but if history proves anything, balkan history has a tendency of repeating.

Zoran

You are totally wrong,you can't compare Kosovo with Palestine.Palestine gets 96 recognition but not from 2/3 european countries.If Kosovo gets 105 recognition you must recognise Kosovo,because we will e member of UN.So !Kosova is Albania!

Mike,
Since you did not mention the most important recognition, namely the one from Russia, that Thaci announced coming very soon (was it last year?), I assume it did happen, but I somehow happen to miss the "Thank you, Russia" frenzy.

isn´t that the same tragic person who was predicting Egypt to "recognize soon"?

well, I´d say given that the socalled government of the occupied southern part of Serbia has not shown any qualities at all in the last few years, and I don´t have to go into details here, they just have to announce some kind of foreign-policy-achievemnents from time to time, to make our dear albanian kids here feel good.

of course, there won´t remain very much of essence if you take a closer look, but hey, if it is at least good enough to make our dear albanian friends here scream "kosovaaa", then it has had the planned effect.

time works for Serbia, and nothing can prevent us from liberating our territory.

it´s just a question of time, and that will perhaps even happen without the use of force.

let´s just see what future brings.

as for new "recognitions":
there are not many little pacific islands left, that have to do what they are being told.

"Since you did not mention the most important recognition, namely the one from Russia, that Thaci announced coming very soon (was it last year?), I assume it did happen, but I somehow happen to miss the "Thank you, Russia" frenzy.
(Logic, 7 June 2009 20:58)"

Well.....

I'm trying to spare Thaci the ignoble honor of being a complete nutcase. But yes, we all got a good laugh at that little snafu.

A wise old man once told me, "Mike, if you're going to lie, lie convincingly."

Ian (UK) how is Kosovo independence stability for the region, surely there is stability because KFOR troops are in the province and no other reason.

Here is a new revenue stream the the K albs. PSYCHIC HOTLINE.

I doubt you have to be a member of the UN to be a sovereign country, look at the Vatican City. Also, all Kosovo needs is 2/3 of the UN to vote in favor to override a SC veto to become a member. Israel was only admitted because it had that, because Russia, China vetoed its admission at the SC as well as other countries voting against admission whom now recognize and have ties with it.

If Serbia had any real say or influence it would be evident by now, but all I see is Western countries, i.e. EU members and USA basically ignoring Serb demands. This fact along with the weakening of the Russian economy paints a very bleak future for Serbia to have any influence in the region. Also, do not forget that any hope of Serbia gaining admission to the EU is stonewalled by Holland with no hope of changing the minds of the Dutch until the capture of Mladic and the fact that NATO membership is an unwritten precondition before entry to EU. Beside this bad news, it is quite clear there will be no further expansion of EU membership until the Global economy improves. All this leaves little hope for Serbia to emerges from economic isolation. Serbia must, however, prepare for the day when she finally may be able join the Club, i.e the EU, and that may be achieved by first recognizing Kosova.

has anybody bothered to read the UN website?

Kosovo can get 100, or even 150 recognitions, does that mean it is granted independence and can become a member of the UN?

er.........No. The permanent security council have to give the rubber stamp to the idea. Who is on the UNSC - well done, you win a lolly for guessing correctly - Russia and China. Unfortunately, both have categorically stated that under no circumstances will they allow Kosovo a UN seat, unless that is Serbia agrees to it. Looks like you albanians are talking to all the wrong people. maybe you should start talking to Serbia to hammer out some agreement, otherwise you can celebrate 180, 190 recognitions but you'll be in the same situation that you are in today - NO UN SEAT. about time you had a dose of reality.

Go Kosova!Go!New recognitions in every way!
KOSOVA IS ALBANIA!
(NoolaV!, 7 June 2009 15:41)

If Kosovo is Albania, why should anybody recognize it? Though Albania is recognized. Confusing!

Maybe people like you should make up their mind first: Do you want an own state Kosovo or want to live in Albania?

To compare Kosovo with Palestina and other territories shows of ignorance in politics and facts.In Kosovo, there aren't and won't be ever in the future serbian armed forces.A great part of Palestina is controlled by israelian forces.

Kosovo will be recognized by more countrys.

@Top
Kosovo will join Albania.Sooner or later.

(John I, 7 June 2009 19:20)

And I would add the S. Korea that was vetoed in SC by the same "defenders" of the international law and went ‘throw’ by 2/3 of the general assembly.

But also being a UN member is not really an absolute guarantee as the case of Taiwan shows.

Taiwan was a member of UN and by an initiative of another UN member state it was replaced by China that until that time it wasn’t a member of UN.

The country that undertook that initiative was the Peoples Socialist Republic of Albania ;)

Aren’t we Albos great in auto-goals?? ;))

Top - If the ICJ rules in Serbia's favour and it doesn't recognise Kosovo, then any declaration by Albania and Kosovo hat they would be joining together would under UN law be a violation of sovereignty and a declaration of war by Albania. Serbia could legitimately attack Kosovo militarily. That would put Kosovo exactly where Serbia would want it.

@Top
Kosovo will join Albania.Sooner or later.
(BB, 8 June 2009 20:10)

I see.. like RS will join Serbia one fine day? But then where's the need and hurry for Kosovo to be recognized as a country?

Go Kosova!Go!New recognitions in every way!
KOSOVA IS ALBANIA!

Even if true this really isn't going to make Kosovo independent. Without a UN seat and Serbian reocgnition this misguided idea will never come to fruition.

There are enough powerful countries on our side to ensure this independence drive is just a waste of time. Of course that won't stop poorer and weaker countries accepting "incentives" to proclaim their worthless recognitions.

Remember that Palestine is recognised by more than half of UN members but unless Israel agrees it will never become a state. Kosovo is in a similar boat except that Serbia will never allow the Albanians to have a second state. I expect this to take some time to sink in while it seems the US is rethinking this mess they created.

Good luck, more recognitions will help stabilise not just Kosovo, but the regional as a whole.

We were supposed to see "100 recognitions in 48 hours" after UDI. That didn't happen.

We were supposed to get a "wave" of recognitions at the OIC. That didn't happen.

We were supposed to see a "wave" at OAS. That didn't happen.

Thaci has proven himself to be either an overly optimistic idealist, or a pathological liar.

I'll believe them when I see them. And even if they come, they'll have about the same effect on the internal dynamics of Kosovo as the last.

Zoran

You are totally wrong,you can't compare Kosovo with Palestine.Palestine gets 96 recognition but not from 2/3 european countries.If Kosovo gets 105 recognition you must recognise Kosovo,because we will e member of UN.So !Kosova is Albania!

Remember that Palestine is recognised by more than half of UN members but unless Israel agrees it will never become a state. Kosovo is in a similar boat except that Serbia will never allow the Albanians to have a second state. I expect this to take some time to sink in while it seems the US is rethinking this mess they created.
(Zoran, 7 June 2009, 15:50)

Yeah but a huge BUT. Kosovo is supported by Europeans, as after all it is Europe, and also the mighty US of A.

Once the kosovo gets those 100 recognitions, nobody's veto will unseat Kosova from UN as the majority of the UN support the seat of Kosovo.

But hey, the time will tell. We can speculate all we want, but do not ignore the USA and EU fact that those countries are a staunch supporters of Kosovo's Independence.

After all they are the ones who decide what will happen in their backyard and not Mongolia or Iran. As they are sick of the wars of exYU.

Afetr all have we not witness 1244? The UNMIK is packing their bags, slowly but surely, Rome was not build in a day.Facts are facts.

Zoran

In case you haven't noticed, the Albanians control most of Kosova, and have been running their own affairs independently of Serbia for 10 years now. Serbia has NO SAY in what goes on in most of Kosova. Perhaps things ar enot perfect, but then again, neither are they perfect in Serbia. As long as Serbia continues to be snubbed on the world stage, we are happy.

"Even if true this really isn't going to make Kosovo independent. Without a UN seat and Serbian reocgnition this misguided idea will never come to fruitition."

Zoran,

If what you are saying why Jeremic is so nervous and travelling to Africa, Latin America trying to influence these country not to recognise Kosova's independence?. He can "comfortably" sit and say we have Russian brother in the SC who will veto Kosova's membership in the UN.

Secondly don't you think it is a "misguided idea" as you put it for Kosova returning to Serbia?

Seriously, Hyseni ?

We Kosovars dont think hiss words are relevant. Move on. As for recognitions, his statement is to increase his LDK party chances rather than 'real recognitions'.

Just a bluff

Just a few points why Kosova is not Palestine,
At time of her declaration Palestine was de facto not independent, de jure partly independent.
Kosova de facto independence predates her actual independence by at least 10 years, de jure partly independent BUT still in process.
Huge difference on independence as a concept but also as a practice. Israel military moves into Palestinian territories at will. Serbia can’t move into her territory, (demilitarised zone).
At the time of declaration Palestine authorities it didn’t recognise the right of Israel to exist and thus having no real chance of succeeding on idependence.
Kosova since adoption of her independence declaration announced her commitment to peace and stability in the region and her wish to have good neighbourly relations with all her neighbours.
Palestine requires consent of Israel to have a real chance of having some invested sovereign authority. Israel can only shut down border and electricity to have a real crisis in Palestine.
Kosova neighbours four states, three of which recognise her independence, not to mention being surrounded by Albanian inhabited areas for almost ¾ of her frontiers.
Palestian independence was opposed by the biggest player in international affairs USA.
USA is the stronger supporter of an independent Kosova.
No need for me to go on and on.
This time around President Barack Hussein Obama has made a firm commitment for a viable and independent Palestinian state, so and hopefully he’ll see it through.

"Serbia will never allow the Albanians to have a second state."

Serbia the superpower will not allow us? Just do what EULEX says for now, we'll solve the rest as you start to approach EU

Tunxh:

"As long as Serbia gets snubbed."

Well then let me counter, as long as Serbia does everything in it's power to destroy, dismantle, harass, humiliate, intimidate, and regain control over Serbia Kosovo, I'm all for it!

Why don't you tell us how are we being snubbed per your baseless perception. From who? Regarding what? Oh let me guess, the world is lining up for albanian culture and geopolitical strategy?

In time, the undoing of the albanians will be their sense of absolute entitlement and intimidation of neighboring communities with violence. Unfortunately, albanian force must be met with force, action with reaction, cause and effect. Only time will tell, but if history proves anything, balkan history has a tendency of repeating.

isn´t that the same tragic person who was predicting Egypt to "recognize soon"?

well, I´d say given that the socalled government of the occupied southern part of Serbia has not shown any qualities at all in the last few years, and I don´t have to go into details here, they just have to announce some kind of foreign-policy-achievemnents from time to time, to make our dear albanian kids here feel good.

of course, there won´t remain very much of essence if you take a closer look, but hey, if it is at least good enough to make our dear albanian friends here scream "kosovaaa", then it has had the planned effect.

time works for Serbia, and nothing can prevent us from liberating our territory.

it´s just a question of time, and that will perhaps even happen without the use of force.

let´s just see what future brings.

as for new "recognitions":
there are not many little pacific islands left, that have to do what they are being told.

K-Albanians are getting frustrated with their govt and this is a way to make some "promises".

Here is a new revenue stream the the K albs. PSYCHIC HOTLINE.

I doubt you have to be a member of the UN to be a sovereign country, look at the Vatican City. Also, all Kosovo needs is 2/3 of the UN to vote in favor to override a SC veto to become a member. Israel was only admitted because it had that, because Russia, China vetoed its admission at the SC as well as other countries voting against admission whom now recognize and have ties with it.

Ian (UK) how is Kosovo independence stability for the region, surely there is stability because KFOR troops are in the province and no other reason.

To compare Kosovo with Palestina and other territories shows of ignorance in politics and facts.In Kosovo, there aren't and won't be ever in the future serbian armed forces.A great part of Palestina is controlled by israelian forces.

Kosovo will be recognized by more countrys.

If Serbia had any real say or influence it would be evident by now, but all I see is Western countries, i.e. EU members and USA basically ignoring Serb demands. This fact along with the weakening of the Russian economy paints a very bleak future for Serbia to have any influence in the region. Also, do not forget that any hope of Serbia gaining admission to the EU is stonewalled by Holland with no hope of changing the minds of the Dutch until the capture of Mladic and the fact that NATO membership is an unwritten precondition before entry to EU. Beside this bad news, it is quite clear there will be no further expansion of EU membership until the Global economy improves. All this leaves little hope for Serbia to emerges from economic isolation. Serbia must, however, prepare for the day when she finally may be able join the Club, i.e the EU, and that may be achieved by first recognizing Kosova.

"Since you did not mention the most important recognition, namely the one from Russia, that Thaci announced coming very soon (was it last year?), I assume it did happen, but I somehow happen to miss the "Thank you, Russia" frenzy.
(Logic, 7 June 2009 20:58)"

Well.....

I'm trying to spare Thaci the ignoble honor of being a complete nutcase. But yes, we all got a good laugh at that little snafu.

A wise old man once told me, "Mike, if you're going to lie, lie convincingly."

Mike,
Since you did not mention the most important recognition, namely the one from Russia, that Thaci announced coming very soon (was it last year?), I assume it did happen, but I somehow happen to miss the "Thank you, Russia" frenzy.

(John I, 7 June 2009 19:20)

And I would add the S. Korea that was vetoed in SC by the same "defenders" of the international law and went ‘throw’ by 2/3 of the general assembly.

But also being a UN member is not really an absolute guarantee as the case of Taiwan shows.

Taiwan was a member of UN and by an initiative of another UN member state it was replaced by China that until that time it wasn’t a member of UN.

The country that undertook that initiative was the Peoples Socialist Republic of Albania ;)

Aren’t we Albos great in auto-goals?? ;))

has anybody bothered to read the UN website?

Kosovo can get 100, or even 150 recognitions, does that mean it is granted independence and can become a member of the UN?

er.........No. The permanent security council have to give the rubber stamp to the idea. Who is on the UNSC - well done, you win a lolly for guessing correctly - Russia and China. Unfortunately, both have categorically stated that under no circumstances will they allow Kosovo a UN seat, unless that is Serbia agrees to it. Looks like you albanians are talking to all the wrong people. maybe you should start talking to Serbia to hammer out some agreement, otherwise you can celebrate 180, 190 recognitions but you'll be in the same situation that you are in today - NO UN SEAT. about time you had a dose of reality.

@Top
Kosovo will join Albania.Sooner or later.

Go Kosova!Go!New recognitions in every way!
KOSOVA IS ALBANIA!
(NoolaV!, 7 June 2009 15:41)

If Kosovo is Albania, why should anybody recognize it? Though Albania is recognized. Confusing!

Maybe people like you should make up their mind first: Do you want an own state Kosovo or want to live in Albania?

@Top
Kosovo will join Albania.Sooner or later.
(BB, 8 June 2009 20:10)

I see.. like RS will join Serbia one fine day? But then where's the need and hurry for Kosovo to be recognized as a country?

Top - If the ICJ rules in Serbia's favour and it doesn't recognise Kosovo, then any declaration by Albania and Kosovo hat they would be joining together would under UN law be a violation of sovereignty and a declaration of war by Albania. Serbia could legitimately attack Kosovo militarily. That would put Kosovo exactly where Serbia would want it.