Young people for EU, against NATO

They mentioned the bombing and the unresolved question of Kosovo.

Bombing?, blame Milosevic and yourselves for supporting him.
Kosova declared her Independence last year and status has been solved once and for all.

39%? I'm surprised it's that high...and the Kosovo question has not yet been resolved, stop kidding yourselves.

80 percent of young people in Serbia support EU membership, while only 39 percent support joining NATO, according to a recent poll.

..and 100% of them want the free EU money! And they want it now, no need to wait or fulfill any EU conditions

"..and 100% of them want the free EU money! And they want it now, no need to wait or fulfill any EU conditions"
alban

You shouldn't talk about free money! Albanian run Kosovo is build on welfare donations and drug money...

The Albanians themselves are guilty for Milosevic being in power. Had they been in elections, it would have meant an additional one to two million votes in the anti-milosevic campaign. Albanains did not want Milosevic to leave, as they did not want to participate in democracy.

"blame Milosevic and yourselves for supporting him."
Nelli_Canada

Serbs are to blame for the dictator Milosevic! Then I guess you Albanians are to blame for Albanian dictator Enver Hoxhas rule, or is that the fault of the Serbs as well? At least we did something about Milo. What did you do about Enver? Nothing! That's why Albania still today is a ghetto.

That's a great result. 80% for EU, means being pro-European. The young generation seems to finally get bored of the stupid nationalism rhetoric.

And about NATO: It's understandable, sure. History and bombing is only one reason. And yes, Milosevic is to blame for that. Maybe you should compare these percentages with other countries: I'm sure that even in most of the MEMBER countries of these two organizations the acceptance amongst the population for EU is much higher than the one for NATO....

Well to blame others is easy, to blame oneself is a bit harder. Serbs must understand that no one will beg them to join anything, if they want they must work for it.

39%? I'm surprised it's that high...and the Kosovo question has not yet been resolved, stop kidding yourselves.
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Of course not. Meanwhile now we will join EC as "The Republic of Kosovo" right after joining the World Bank:

"Kosovo has already been recognized bilaterally by 2/3 of the Council of Europe members, thus, logically the votes for admission in this organization in fact are not an issue at all because there is no consensus vote rule."

WORST case scenario the North gets a bit more decentralization.

That 'Serbia wants the money' from the EU argument is pretty new to me.
And mostly its not aid, it would be money funding governmental and non government project proposals connected with EU.

Yet this argument I hear from Albanian posters sounds rehearsed...

I conclude that this is the argument that Albin Kurti is using against most political forces in Kosovo, which are wholly supportive of the internationals. And that the argument in Kosovo isn't just about EU funding projects but about massive sums of aid given to Kosovo by the EU and US...

And our Albanian posters have thoughtlessly used this argument here, even though it doesn't apply.

There simply isn't much money to be gained from joining the EU any more. Every new member knows the golden age is over.

BTW its nothing new that the majority of Serbian citizens want to be part of the EU, all previous polls stated this. And its nothing new that a majority of Serbian citizens are against NATO membership.

What is amusing in a way is that if I understand correctly the organisation which did the poll is funded by NATO. I suppose they can't have been pleased with the results!

No surprises here.

Serbs want the EU and US money just as they were used for 40 years with Tito and Yugo when they started the industrialisation of their country- but no responsibilities.

YUGO and Serbia got a lot of technology transfer form EU and US for 40 years. Just take for eg the Zasatva car factory- a FIAT investment, but you can say the same about almost the entire food industry in YUGO where mainly Slovenian companies were producing Italian/French pates and other food (bamby comes to my mind now, or argeta) but sold to the semi-analphabetic YUGO nation as Yugoslavian products. Or the steel mills, or Bata shoes etc... still people in Serbia are ungrateful to EU and US...

80% for Eu ??? can't believe.. probably many people still think that money will arrive directly at their home...
40% for NATO ?? this is higher than any other countries in WE !! in Italy actually is lower than 30 %...
so also this number is fiction ...

"There simply isn't much money to be gained from joining the EU any more. Every new member knows the golden age is over."

True. But still, there are some millions of aid, and Serbia even got some millions of 'pre-EU' candidate aid. But it's NOT about money, there's lot of more chance for the economy - look other new EU member states.

And Albanian posters from Kosovo here, a "country" which depends on donor money from EU, USA... and that couldn't exist without should better have kept their mouth shut - you know about the glass house and the stones. :-) Compared to that Serbia could survive without aid...

Ben wrote:
but sold to the semi-analphabetic YUGO nation as Yugoslavian products.
Dear Ben,
your post doesn't show knoweledge of economy in former Yugoslavia. Whayt you mention in your post is mostly inaccurate and distortion of facts. As we all well know - there is no "free lunch" from US. So there was very good reason for what you mention as - transfer of technology. If you want to learn more about why US took side against Serbs - you can find relevant information in sources like:
http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=1956
Regards

Should have stayed within the Austo Hungarian Empire. If you did, you would not have this nonsense today.
Do you don't like being bombed by NATO but want to be part of the EU ? That is nutty! Bravo! Put up a bit of a struggle to try and maintain some dignity as you return to your old masters.

This doesn't mentioned the number of people polled and the precise age-range, as well as where (what particular cities/places were canvased), so it may not be accurate of Serbia as a whole. It may only be a small localized group they asked. And if they include those who are in their mid teens or younger, they may be polling people very ignorant and not fully understanding of the situation.

NATO is an organisation where you have to fund and help out the US with young mens lives against dictators ( ...without any weapon of mass destruction) or to shoot some muslim pashtuns in afghanistans. You also need to help to "secure" more countries in asia so that moskow never gets that big anymore. While doing so, you fail to prevent really crazy guys to get atomic bombs in north korea and by the way - you totaly fail on solving any conflict in africa, --where thousands are killed each day--. You also help preventing europe to have not controlled muslim states - where you fund artifical economies and place in great brand-new military bases. You also help kurds not to get their own country because this would cause trouble within a NATO member. You play double-standards and you do a lot, to convince few muslim states that you are a friend of them - because you need their help to keep control over arabian and muslim states - and oil. One example is to help out ankara's interests in the balkans while they support you on iran an israel.

Some of your politics is then based on creating states at your outline, where people can live which you do not want to have close in your neighbourhood ...

But you could realize, that even if NATO politics is very poor, it is still good to be a member: by paying some lives and money you do not need to bother much about beeing offended by someone else, simply because in most parts of the world you are going to be part of the gang which offends others.

Everything I have wrote here, i have heard politicians and journalist say on TV or write in papers - and what is most interesting - these are no outsiders - these is mainstream thinking about NATO in Germany.

"Kosova declared her Independence last year and status has been solved once and for all.
(Nelli_Canada, 5 June 2009 16:12) "

in your dreams, Nelli, in your dreams...


as for "Albanac"

please, don´t lecture about work here, when Serbia is south-east Europe´s economic engine, and the Albania is the poorest state in Europe, not to talk about the occupied part of southern Serbia, where the Albanian almost completely depend on foreign help...

enough said.

They mentioned the bombing and the unresolved question of Kosovo.

Bombing?, blame Milosevic and yourselves for supporting him.
Kosova declared her Independence last year and status has been solved once and for all.

80 percent of young people in Serbia support EU membership, while only 39 percent support joining NATO, according to a recent poll.

..and 100% of them want the free EU money! And they want it now, no need to wait or fulfill any EU conditions

39%? I'm surprised it's that high...and the Kosovo question has not yet been resolved, stop kidding yourselves.
--
Of course not. Meanwhile now we will join EC as "The Republic of Kosovo" right after joining the World Bank:

"Kosovo has already been recognized bilaterally by 2/3 of the Council of Europe members, thus, logically the votes for admission in this organization in fact are not an issue at all because there is no consensus vote rule."

WORST case scenario the North gets a bit more decentralization.

No surprises here.

Serbs want the EU and US money just as they were used for 40 years with Tito and Yugo when they started the industrialisation of their country- but no responsibilities.

YUGO and Serbia got a lot of technology transfer form EU and US for 40 years. Just take for eg the Zasatva car factory- a FIAT investment, but you can say the same about almost the entire food industry in YUGO where mainly Slovenian companies were producing Italian/French pates and other food (bamby comes to my mind now, or argeta) but sold to the semi-analphabetic YUGO nation as Yugoslavian products. Or the steel mills, or Bata shoes etc... still people in Serbia are ungrateful to EU and US...

Well to blame others is easy, to blame oneself is a bit harder. Serbs must understand that no one will beg them to join anything, if they want they must work for it.

39%? I'm surprised it's that high...and the Kosovo question has not yet been resolved, stop kidding yourselves.

"blame Milosevic and yourselves for supporting him."
Nelli_Canada

Serbs are to blame for the dictator Milosevic! Then I guess you Albanians are to blame for Albanian dictator Enver Hoxhas rule, or is that the fault of the Serbs as well? At least we did something about Milo. What did you do about Enver? Nothing! That's why Albania still today is a ghetto.

That's a great result. 80% for EU, means being pro-European. The young generation seems to finally get bored of the stupid nationalism rhetoric.

And about NATO: It's understandable, sure. History and bombing is only one reason. And yes, Milosevic is to blame for that. Maybe you should compare these percentages with other countries: I'm sure that even in most of the MEMBER countries of these two organizations the acceptance amongst the population for EU is much higher than the one for NATO....

The Albanians themselves are guilty for Milosevic being in power. Had they been in elections, it would have meant an additional one to two million votes in the anti-milosevic campaign. Albanains did not want Milosevic to leave, as they did not want to participate in democracy.

"..and 100% of them want the free EU money! And they want it now, no need to wait or fulfill any EU conditions"
alban

You shouldn't talk about free money! Albanian run Kosovo is build on welfare donations and drug money...

80% for Eu ??? can't believe.. probably many people still think that money will arrive directly at their home...
40% for NATO ?? this is higher than any other countries in WE !! in Italy actually is lower than 30 %...
so also this number is fiction ...

NATO is an organisation where you have to fund and help out the US with young mens lives against dictators ( ...without any weapon of mass destruction) or to shoot some muslim pashtuns in afghanistans. You also need to help to "secure" more countries in asia so that moskow never gets that big anymore. While doing so, you fail to prevent really crazy guys to get atomic bombs in north korea and by the way - you totaly fail on solving any conflict in africa, --where thousands are killed each day--. You also help preventing europe to have not controlled muslim states - where you fund artifical economies and place in great brand-new military bases. You also help kurds not to get their own country because this would cause trouble within a NATO member. You play double-standards and you do a lot, to convince few muslim states that you are a friend of them - because you need their help to keep control over arabian and muslim states - and oil. One example is to help out ankara's interests in the balkans while they support you on iran an israel.

Some of your politics is then based on creating states at your outline, where people can live which you do not want to have close in your neighbourhood ...

But you could realize, that even if NATO politics is very poor, it is still good to be a member: by paying some lives and money you do not need to bother much about beeing offended by someone else, simply because in most parts of the world you are going to be part of the gang which offends others.

Everything I have wrote here, i have heard politicians and journalist say on TV or write in papers - and what is most interesting - these are no outsiders - these is mainstream thinking about NATO in Germany.

This doesn't mentioned the number of people polled and the precise age-range, as well as where (what particular cities/places were canvased), so it may not be accurate of Serbia as a whole. It may only be a small localized group they asked. And if they include those who are in their mid teens or younger, they may be polling people very ignorant and not fully understanding of the situation.

That 'Serbia wants the money' from the EU argument is pretty new to me.
And mostly its not aid, it would be money funding governmental and non government project proposals connected with EU.

Yet this argument I hear from Albanian posters sounds rehearsed...

I conclude that this is the argument that Albin Kurti is using against most political forces in Kosovo, which are wholly supportive of the internationals. And that the argument in Kosovo isn't just about EU funding projects but about massive sums of aid given to Kosovo by the EU and US...

And our Albanian posters have thoughtlessly used this argument here, even though it doesn't apply.

There simply isn't much money to be gained from joining the EU any more. Every new member knows the golden age is over.

BTW its nothing new that the majority of Serbian citizens want to be part of the EU, all previous polls stated this. And its nothing new that a majority of Serbian citizens are against NATO membership.

What is amusing in a way is that if I understand correctly the organisation which did the poll is funded by NATO. I suppose they can't have been pleased with the results!

Should have stayed within the Austo Hungarian Empire. If you did, you would not have this nonsense today.
Do you don't like being bombed by NATO but want to be part of the EU ? That is nutty! Bravo! Put up a bit of a struggle to try and maintain some dignity as you return to your old masters.

"Kosova declared her Independence last year and status has been solved once and for all.
(Nelli_Canada, 5 June 2009 16:12) "

in your dreams, Nelli, in your dreams...


as for "Albanac"

please, don´t lecture about work here, when Serbia is south-east Europe´s economic engine, and the Albania is the poorest state in Europe, not to talk about the occupied part of southern Serbia, where the Albanian almost completely depend on foreign help...

enough said.

Ben wrote:
but sold to the semi-analphabetic YUGO nation as Yugoslavian products.
Dear Ben,
your post doesn't show knoweledge of economy in former Yugoslavia. Whayt you mention in your post is mostly inaccurate and distortion of facts. As we all well know - there is no "free lunch" from US. So there was very good reason for what you mention as - transfer of technology. If you want to learn more about why US took side against Serbs - you can find relevant information in sources like:
http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=1956
Regards

"There simply isn't much money to be gained from joining the EU any more. Every new member knows the golden age is over."

True. But still, there are some millions of aid, and Serbia even got some millions of 'pre-EU' candidate aid. But it's NOT about money, there's lot of more chance for the economy - look other new EU member states.

And Albanian posters from Kosovo here, a "country" which depends on donor money from EU, USA... and that couldn't exist without should better have kept their mouth shut - you know about the glass house and the stones. :-) Compared to that Serbia could survive without aid...