EC to propose end of visa regime

"The European Commission will propose the abolition of visas for Serbian, Macedonian and Montenegrin citizens"

So that's why the West supported an independent Kosovo?

Kosovo is a nothing but a crime infested ghetto. No wonder the West wants to keep it isolated.

I think we all know why Kosovo has not been included... Who wants some more drug dealers and human trafficers!
Just read an article in on of UK major newspapers (Daily Telegraph) about a riot of Albanian prisoners on a plane exporting them back to Pristina and Tirana....great success, high five!

How come EU doesn't want to let all those Albanians from Albania/Kosovo paradise to freely travel around EU?!?Shame on them!

Please stop mentioning Kosovo every time on each small or mayor topic.

It would be good news for these countries that the visa regime will be lifted by the end of the year.
Once the criterea are met, or most of them, I am sure visa's will be lifted for Albania among others as well.

MikeC and Peter

to travel to EU you need money.
People of Serbia have no money to pay for passport nevermind traveling for fun to EU.
If you read the report of Transparency International you will find out that serbia is more corrupted than Kosova.
As well, if in Kosova there are drug, in Serbia there are drug + war criminals, great coctail.

"I think we all know why Kosovo has not been included... Who wants some more drug dealers and human trafficers!
Just read an article in on of UK major newspapers (Daily Telegraph) about a riot of Albanian prisoners on a plane exporting them back to Pristina and Tirana....great success, high five!
(TITO, 5 June 2009 15:11) "

The real Telegraph article: "....I ask one of the guards if there is usually trouble between Albanians and Kosovans. "Not really," .....On this flight, the guards aren't even using handcuffs......Our next stop is Tirana in Albania. Just before we start our descent, there's a disturbance. Prisoners should be given £46 on release from a British jail and one of the passengers is complaining that he has not received the money. His claim is checked and discovered to be accurate: there had been an oversight..."

The majority of countries in the EU have no problem allowing Serbs to visit but it is obvious that Kosovo cannot be included.Any objective observer can see that the EU countries are only interested in a one way directional movement of people from Kosovo(returning them to Kosovo and not unrestricted travel out of Kosovo).It is imperative for the Serbian government to issue Serbian passports to all Serbs regardless of which area of Yugoslavia they currently reside in.

"People of Serbia have no money to pay for passport nevermind traveling for fun to EU."
Olf

Actions speak louder than words!

Slovenia, Croatia and Montenegro are fighting for Serb tourists. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=05&dd=31&nav_id=59508

EU propose end of visa regime for Serbia. Let's say, for the fun of it, you are right. If Serbs in Serbia don't have money to travel their relatives in Europe do! Problem solved!

You should put as much energy into making Albania prosporous as you do critisizing Serbia then perhaps you will be successfull as well.

MikeC, Serbia is landlocked, that's why those three good neighbors are offering Serbs to use their seashores. Serbs can go to Albania also; with the new road they can reach sea very fast. By the way Kosovo people won't make any problem on passing through, you can use the opportunity and visit some wonderful places and even talk to the people in Kosovo (albanians, serbs, bosniaks, roma, etc) and see that things are not that bad as some present here. :)

To Pz,
Things might not be so bad for ethnic Albanians but for Serbs in Kosovo they are catastrophic!!
They live in ghetto's for Gods sake! Armed escort to buy bread?! And you have tenacity to talk about normality?!
Thanks for your offer but no thanks. First return what is not yours and only then we can seat down and discuss better relations between our nations.

'His claim is checked and discovered to be accurate: there had been an oversight...'

I remember this story: so the guards reached in their pockets and came up with 30 pounds and the guy was delighted and happily got off the plane with no fuss. Just one more economic immigrant who's going to have to try again.

“Thanks for your offer but no thanks. First return what is not yours and only then we can seat down and discuss better relations between our nations.”
You see tito, your statement suggests that it’s up to you (i.e. the Serbs living in Kosovo) to chose if they want to try and get out of those “ghettos” you talk about. If we talk about returning things and only then talk about some improvement of relationships, then Serbia is in a deep disadvantage. Can you or anyone from Serbia return back the time and ‘unburn’ my house, ‘unkill’ my uncle, bring back my lost years of childhood, so we can talk about some improvement of relationship. No, you can’t, no one can. So, tito, despite all these and many other things that I, my family and all the Albanian people went through, I’m ready to leave it all behind and look forward.

Any objective observer can see that the EU countries are only interested in a one way directional movement of people from Kosovo(returning them to Kosovo and not unrestricted travel out of Kosovo).
(luciano, 5 June 2009 19:02)

That's maybe in Switzerland or Germany, here in Hungary they want to do a "unilateral" visa-abolishment for all of Western Balkans, Kosovo included.

In general people here believe, it's job of the police and not the diplomats to sort out who is a criminal to return and who is not. The terminology "illegal" for most here (Hungary) means to do somewhat against the common morale; just living in a house and doing somewhat useful in not considered "illegal", regardless of visas, permits and other bureaucratic rubbish.

A sample:

Half of the village here is doing somewhat "illegal" on the paper, but spotless from moral point of view: they are driving foreign-licensed cars because the car license tax (not to be confused with VAT or duty) in Hungary on, say, Toyota Sienna is about $20K, even if it would be registered in an other EU country. To add to the insult: foreign insurance for Hungary is usually cheaper than Hungarian.

So the place has almost no Hungarians, all are Germans, Slovaks, Americans, Lichtensteiners, I did even see Serbs, Bosnians, and from South Pacific islands. Usually children drop-off at a school field trip looks pretty funny to say the least. These "Germans" can't even say a word in German.

So, dear Albanians, just come visa-free and don't do what people object. Keeping Kosovo plates forever and do some work wherever you can find a good job is fine, doing what does hurt innocent people is not. We are not "visa-freaks".

The first results from European polls and the other that will come will put the definitive grave over any visa liberalization...

MikeC and Peter

to travel to EU you need money.
People of Serbia have no money to pay for passport nevermind traveling for fun to EU.
If you read the report of Transparency International you will find out that serbia is more corrupted than Kosova.
As well, if in Kosova there are drug, in Serbia there are drug + war criminals, great coctail.

"The European Commission will propose the abolition of visas for Serbian, Macedonian and Montenegrin citizens"

So that's why the West supported an independent Kosovo?

Kosovo is a nothing but a crime infested ghetto. No wonder the West wants to keep it isolated.

I think we all know why Kosovo has not been included... Who wants some more drug dealers and human trafficers!
Just read an article in on of UK major newspapers (Daily Telegraph) about a riot of Albanian prisoners on a plane exporting them back to Pristina and Tirana....great success, high five!

How come EU doesn't want to let all those Albanians from Albania/Kosovo paradise to freely travel around EU?!?Shame on them!

Please stop mentioning Kosovo every time on each small or mayor topic.

It would be good news for these countries that the visa regime will be lifted by the end of the year.
Once the criterea are met, or most of them, I am sure visa's will be lifted for Albania among others as well.

The majority of countries in the EU have no problem allowing Serbs to visit but it is obvious that Kosovo cannot be included.Any objective observer can see that the EU countries are only interested in a one way directional movement of people from Kosovo(returning them to Kosovo and not unrestricted travel out of Kosovo).It is imperative for the Serbian government to issue Serbian passports to all Serbs regardless of which area of Yugoslavia they currently reside in.

"I think we all know why Kosovo has not been included... Who wants some more drug dealers and human trafficers!
Just read an article in on of UK major newspapers (Daily Telegraph) about a riot of Albanian prisoners on a plane exporting them back to Pristina and Tirana....great success, high five!
(TITO, 5 June 2009 15:11) "

The real Telegraph article: "....I ask one of the guards if there is usually trouble between Albanians and Kosovans. "Not really," .....On this flight, the guards aren't even using handcuffs......Our next stop is Tirana in Albania. Just before we start our descent, there's a disturbance. Prisoners should be given £46 on release from a British jail and one of the passengers is complaining that he has not received the money. His claim is checked and discovered to be accurate: there had been an oversight..."

'His claim is checked and discovered to be accurate: there had been an oversight...'

I remember this story: so the guards reached in their pockets and came up with 30 pounds and the guy was delighted and happily got off the plane with no fuss. Just one more economic immigrant who's going to have to try again.

"People of Serbia have no money to pay for passport nevermind traveling for fun to EU."
Olf

Actions speak louder than words!

Slovenia, Croatia and Montenegro are fighting for Serb tourists. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=05&dd=31&nav_id=59508

EU propose end of visa regime for Serbia. Let's say, for the fun of it, you are right. If Serbs in Serbia don't have money to travel their relatives in Europe do! Problem solved!

You should put as much energy into making Albania prosporous as you do critisizing Serbia then perhaps you will be successfull as well.

MikeC, Serbia is landlocked, that's why those three good neighbors are offering Serbs to use their seashores. Serbs can go to Albania also; with the new road they can reach sea very fast. By the way Kosovo people won't make any problem on passing through, you can use the opportunity and visit some wonderful places and even talk to the people in Kosovo (albanians, serbs, bosniaks, roma, etc) and see that things are not that bad as some present here. :)

To Pz,
Things might not be so bad for ethnic Albanians but for Serbs in Kosovo they are catastrophic!!
They live in ghetto's for Gods sake! Armed escort to buy bread?! And you have tenacity to talk about normality?!
Thanks for your offer but no thanks. First return what is not yours and only then we can seat down and discuss better relations between our nations.

The first results from European polls and the other that will come will put the definitive grave over any visa liberalization...

“Thanks for your offer but no thanks. First return what is not yours and only then we can seat down and discuss better relations between our nations.”
You see tito, your statement suggests that it’s up to you (i.e. the Serbs living in Kosovo) to chose if they want to try and get out of those “ghettos” you talk about. If we talk about returning things and only then talk about some improvement of relationships, then Serbia is in a deep disadvantage. Can you or anyone from Serbia return back the time and ‘unburn’ my house, ‘unkill’ my uncle, bring back my lost years of childhood, so we can talk about some improvement of relationship. No, you can’t, no one can. So, tito, despite all these and many other things that I, my family and all the Albanian people went through, I’m ready to leave it all behind and look forward.

Any objective observer can see that the EU countries are only interested in a one way directional movement of people from Kosovo(returning them to Kosovo and not unrestricted travel out of Kosovo).
(luciano, 5 June 2009 19:02)

That's maybe in Switzerland or Germany, here in Hungary they want to do a "unilateral" visa-abolishment for all of Western Balkans, Kosovo included.

In general people here believe, it's job of the police and not the diplomats to sort out who is a criminal to return and who is not. The terminology "illegal" for most here (Hungary) means to do somewhat against the common morale; just living in a house and doing somewhat useful in not considered "illegal", regardless of visas, permits and other bureaucratic rubbish.

A sample:

Half of the village here is doing somewhat "illegal" on the paper, but spotless from moral point of view: they are driving foreign-licensed cars because the car license tax (not to be confused with VAT or duty) in Hungary on, say, Toyota Sienna is about $20K, even if it would be registered in an other EU country. To add to the insult: foreign insurance for Hungary is usually cheaper than Hungarian.

So the place has almost no Hungarians, all are Germans, Slovaks, Americans, Lichtensteiners, I did even see Serbs, Bosnians, and from South Pacific islands. Usually children drop-off at a school field trip looks pretty funny to say the least. These "Germans" can't even say a word in German.

So, dear Albanians, just come visa-free and don't do what people object. Keeping Kosovo plates forever and do some work wherever you can find a good job is fine, doing what does hurt innocent people is not. We are not "visa-freaks".