Belgrade, Priština cooperating over missing persons

Why talk about 250 missing serbs when you can talk about 2000 albanian missing ?


Those 250 serbs came up in a book and now serbs claim that their organ was cut of them without having any proof. You dont have any proof of them even missing.

This is for Serbia just a fairytale to justify the murdering and missing of albanians.

Stop talking nonsens because no serb are missing in Kosovo. Those serbs are in Belgrade having the time of their life while our people lay in massgraves in Serbia.

This is the truth if you want to hear it!

What's the use of cooperating with Pristina? They are basically denying that any Serbs are missing. By hiding evidence of remains of thousands of Serbs killed by the Snake and his government they have just proven how trustworthy they are.

I could've given them the same information. No Serbs missing and no organ harvesting. No Serbs were taken to Albanian as well.

Now the Serbs to give location of all the missing Albanians.

In other words, we give you nothing but we expect you to incriminate yourselves.

I can't belive that Tadic & Co. are that silly. Do they actually expect Snake to incriminate himself?

demi:

You know very well what those albanian terrorists did. They even murdered a lot of albanians (in very gruesome ways) loyal to Serbia. I guess all those "missing" Serbs vanished into thin air.

> “It was painful for all of us, including us Albanians in Kosovo, when the news broke of how Carla Del Ponte had said that people had gone missing, and we are working on it non-stop, but from the information we have so far, we’ve been unable to get any leads on people, dead or alive, crossing the Kosovo border,” Nusi said.

I'll bet they're working on it 'non-stop'.. hiding anything that can incriminate them while denying & ignoring whatever evidence does come out.

The people who committed these crimes are the very same people currently in power in pristina.. like asking the fox what happened to the chickens.


Demi:
250 missing serbs? 2000 missing albanians?

Of the 2,047 people listed in the ICRC's 'book of the missing' for Kosovo, approx. 1300 are albanian, 500 are serb & 200 are other minorities.

> Stop talking nonsens because no serb are missing in Kosovo. Those serbs are in Belgrade having the time of their life while our people lay in massgraves in Serbia.
> This is the truth if you want to hear it!

Your understanding of the truth is about as accurate as are your numbers.

I admit that I am more prone to believe documented cases where bodies were transported in freezer trucks to Belgrade than in hearsay from a book that also bases its allegations on hearsay.

Need I say more?

Mercedes, you have a very reliable source presented here. So, you deny that bodies were transformed to mass graves in Batajnica, Petrovo Selo and Bajna Basta? Here are some proofs:
http://www.un.org/icty/bhs/outreach/articles/eng/article-040226e.htm , or this one

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=02&dd=25&nav_id=39816

http://www.aimpress.ch/dyn/trae/archive/data/200201/20111-006-trae-beo.htm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/serb-mass-grave-reveals-secret-of-executed-americans-678125.html

I believe these are more than enough. If you still doubt, just go to google and type batajnica, petrovo selo or bajna basta and you’ll have many links, even from the Serbian government.

I admit that I am more prone to believe documented cases where bodies were transported in freezer trucks to Belgrade than in hearsay from a book that also bases its allegations on hearsay.

Need I say more?
(Art, 4 June 2009 16:54)

That's only because you choose to shut your eyes to the whole truth. It's much more preferable to believe in the parts that are comfortable for you to believe that to actually accept that your people could be so gruesome.

Cooperation with a terrorist state? Cooperation with Arkan like thugs and cowards, with mass grave diggers, rapists with those who terrorized cleansed and murdered our people?
How many mass graves of albanians are still to be uncovered, how many pizzashop massacres, how many thousands more albanians need to die from dealing with Serbia. Let Serbia have northern Kosovo, and build a wall with them. Maybe get a deal for a population exchange, albanians from Presevo move south, Serbs from Kosovo move north, just like Greece and Turkey did a century ago. Everyone in their own.

No relations, period, at least for 10 years. All the south and western routes are open. Trade can flow from there very easily. Request help from albanian diaspora and collect funds to build an army and protect yourselves.

for those interested in reading about the freezer trucks check out this link:
http://www.icdsm.com/more/freezer1app.htm

Mercedes, I'm not judgung at all. There is no need for me to judge. I'm simply presenting proof from reliable and indepenent sources.
The link you presented here comes from a website which exlusiveley was constructed to protect the man responsible for these and many similiar crimes, i.e. Milosevic and his co, so what were you expecting from such website.
Your saying that 'you neither say that it happened nor it didn't' doesn't really go along with your link, since all I can read there is pure denial. Anyway here is another link, it also quotes witnesses from Serbia http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/i-never-found-their-bodies-686575.html.
I kind of agree to your last paragraph, even though it's a bit strange wishing all the best to the dead.

these serbs_war criminals for the majority_ are in south america,living a good life with the money they took from the albanians!And they were not killed in albania as serbian media put it ,but were just waiting (and paying) albanian maffia for travel documents and tickets to theses countries!Sometimes with an "albanian wife" thanks to this maffia,so that they can forge an alibiand say they were a target because they are a mixed couple!
carla should ask about that!

for pz and the other armchair judges...

if there are two independent sources claiming different stories, that alone brings up reasonable doubt. the likes of us cannot simply decide to pick one side of the story without acknowledging the other. it is not up to normal plebs like us to make make legal accusations, and condemnations.

as for documented cases, these are documented anti-cases.

oh, and don't get me wrong. i'm not outright denying that it did, or didn't happen. i'm mearly pointing out that there is another side of this "well documented" story. the way i see it, is that if the story is 100% true, then there wouldn't be an equivalent valid sourced opposite story.

for those souls, and their living families, that have disappeared as a result of the horrors of the 1990s balkan wars, i wish only the best, whatever that may be. for the rest of us, i wish a very good and prosperous life without ever having to know such horrors.

Couple of days ago, serb graves were vandalised in Kosovo once again. Has been a regular occurrence usually happening before memorial days in the orthodox calendar & designed to cause pain to those grieving for their loved ones.

A particularily barbaric act & inhumane act in the eyes of most.

Here are a couple of the comments posted by the other camp:

"As for the graves, I doubt Albanians destroyed them, if there's anything we want to be enticing for Serbs in Kosova, it is graves.
(AntiVitch, 3 June 2009 03:01) "

"When the serbs left kosovo they should of taken their dead with them
(Besim, 3 June 2009 10:23) "

To be fair, where some from the opposing camp who condemned this act such as:

"THis is a shamefull act that dont represent true albanians. the dead should be left in peace.
(nobody, 2 June 2009 15:49) "

"Despite similar occurrences in other parts of Serbia, this is disappointing news, especially in light of the behavior of Albanians toward Orthodox churches and cemeteries under Ottoman rule. The problem will end when Albanians - and not just the government - realize that the world is judging them by their behavior toward their minorities, regardless of the history between them...
(Amer, 4 June 2009 16:49) "

But most simply denied anything ever happened such as:

"I don't believe a word he says, we've hear dit all "Albanians killed the old couple," "Albanians beat us in custody" and other emotional charges
(alban, 2 June 2009 15:16) "

And this despite the fact the evidence of the desecration is right there in the serb graveyards for anyone to see.

Which is why I am not surprised at the comments of 'Art', 'lili', 'Denis' et al above.

And which is why I have no faith that the current 'authorities in pristina' will ever co-operate in determining the fates of the missing at the hands of the KLA - especially those who are not albanian - and even including some who are.

Not when the leadership is just about all ex-KLA.

We can only hope that both sides will do everything they can to find out about the fate of the missing persons having in mind families that need to find out, and have a decent funeral for their loved ones, if nothing else.

Why talk about 250 missing serbs when you can talk about 2000 albanian missing ?


Those 250 serbs came up in a book and now serbs claim that their organ was cut of them without having any proof. You dont have any proof of them even missing.

This is for Serbia just a fairytale to justify the murdering and missing of albanians.

Stop talking nonsens because no serb are missing in Kosovo. Those serbs are in Belgrade having the time of their life while our people lay in massgraves in Serbia.

This is the truth if you want to hear it!

What's the use of cooperating with Pristina? They are basically denying that any Serbs are missing. By hiding evidence of remains of thousands of Serbs killed by the Snake and his government they have just proven how trustworthy they are.

I could've given them the same information. No Serbs missing and no organ harvesting. No Serbs were taken to Albanian as well.

Now the Serbs to give location of all the missing Albanians.

In other words, we give you nothing but we expect you to incriminate yourselves.

I can't belive that Tadic & Co. are that silly. Do they actually expect Snake to incriminate himself?

demi:

You know very well what those albanian terrorists did. They even murdered a lot of albanians (in very gruesome ways) loyal to Serbia. I guess all those "missing" Serbs vanished into thin air.

I admit that I am more prone to believe documented cases where bodies were transported in freezer trucks to Belgrade than in hearsay from a book that also bases its allegations on hearsay.

Need I say more?

these serbs_war criminals for the majority_ are in south america,living a good life with the money they took from the albanians!And they were not killed in albania as serbian media put it ,but were just waiting (and paying) albanian maffia for travel documents and tickets to theses countries!Sometimes with an "albanian wife" thanks to this maffia,so that they can forge an alibiand say they were a target because they are a mixed couple!
carla should ask about that!

> “It was painful for all of us, including us Albanians in Kosovo, when the news broke of how Carla Del Ponte had said that people had gone missing, and we are working on it non-stop, but from the information we have so far, we’ve been unable to get any leads on people, dead or alive, crossing the Kosovo border,” Nusi said.

I'll bet they're working on it 'non-stop'.. hiding anything that can incriminate them while denying & ignoring whatever evidence does come out.

The people who committed these crimes are the very same people currently in power in pristina.. like asking the fox what happened to the chickens.


Demi:
250 missing serbs? 2000 missing albanians?

Of the 2,047 people listed in the ICRC's 'book of the missing' for Kosovo, approx. 1300 are albanian, 500 are serb & 200 are other minorities.

> Stop talking nonsens because no serb are missing in Kosovo. Those serbs are in Belgrade having the time of their life while our people lay in massgraves in Serbia.
> This is the truth if you want to hear it!

Your understanding of the truth is about as accurate as are your numbers.

for those interested in reading about the freezer trucks check out this link:
http://www.icdsm.com/more/freezer1app.htm

Cooperation with a terrorist state? Cooperation with Arkan like thugs and cowards, with mass grave diggers, rapists with those who terrorized cleansed and murdered our people?
How many mass graves of albanians are still to be uncovered, how many pizzashop massacres, how many thousands more albanians need to die from dealing with Serbia. Let Serbia have northern Kosovo, and build a wall with them. Maybe get a deal for a population exchange, albanians from Presevo move south, Serbs from Kosovo move north, just like Greece and Turkey did a century ago. Everyone in their own.

No relations, period, at least for 10 years. All the south and western routes are open. Trade can flow from there very easily. Request help from albanian diaspora and collect funds to build an army and protect yourselves.

for pz and the other armchair judges...

if there are two independent sources claiming different stories, that alone brings up reasonable doubt. the likes of us cannot simply decide to pick one side of the story without acknowledging the other. it is not up to normal plebs like us to make make legal accusations, and condemnations.

as for documented cases, these are documented anti-cases.

oh, and don't get me wrong. i'm not outright denying that it did, or didn't happen. i'm mearly pointing out that there is another side of this "well documented" story. the way i see it, is that if the story is 100% true, then there wouldn't be an equivalent valid sourced opposite story.

for those souls, and their living families, that have disappeared as a result of the horrors of the 1990s balkan wars, i wish only the best, whatever that may be. for the rest of us, i wish a very good and prosperous life without ever having to know such horrors.

I admit that I am more prone to believe documented cases where bodies were transported in freezer trucks to Belgrade than in hearsay from a book that also bases its allegations on hearsay.

Need I say more?
(Art, 4 June 2009 16:54)

That's only because you choose to shut your eyes to the whole truth. It's much more preferable to believe in the parts that are comfortable for you to believe that to actually accept that your people could be so gruesome.

Couple of days ago, serb graves were vandalised in Kosovo once again. Has been a regular occurrence usually happening before memorial days in the orthodox calendar & designed to cause pain to those grieving for their loved ones.

A particularily barbaric act & inhumane act in the eyes of most.

Here are a couple of the comments posted by the other camp:

"As for the graves, I doubt Albanians destroyed them, if there's anything we want to be enticing for Serbs in Kosova, it is graves.
(AntiVitch, 3 June 2009 03:01) "

"When the serbs left kosovo they should of taken their dead with them
(Besim, 3 June 2009 10:23) "

To be fair, where some from the opposing camp who condemned this act such as:

"THis is a shamefull act that dont represent true albanians. the dead should be left in peace.
(nobody, 2 June 2009 15:49) "

"Despite similar occurrences in other parts of Serbia, this is disappointing news, especially in light of the behavior of Albanians toward Orthodox churches and cemeteries under Ottoman rule. The problem will end when Albanians - and not just the government - realize that the world is judging them by their behavior toward their minorities, regardless of the history between them...
(Amer, 4 June 2009 16:49) "

But most simply denied anything ever happened such as:

"I don't believe a word he says, we've hear dit all "Albanians killed the old couple," "Albanians beat us in custody" and other emotional charges
(alban, 2 June 2009 15:16) "

And this despite the fact the evidence of the desecration is right there in the serb graveyards for anyone to see.

Which is why I am not surprised at the comments of 'Art', 'lili', 'Denis' et al above.

And which is why I have no faith that the current 'authorities in pristina' will ever co-operate in determining the fates of the missing at the hands of the KLA - especially those who are not albanian - and even including some who are.

Not when the leadership is just about all ex-KLA.

Mercedes, you have a very reliable source presented here. So, you deny that bodies were transformed to mass graves in Batajnica, Petrovo Selo and Bajna Basta? Here are some proofs:
http://www.un.org/icty/bhs/outreach/articles/eng/article-040226e.htm , or this one

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=02&dd=25&nav_id=39816

http://www.aimpress.ch/dyn/trae/archive/data/200201/20111-006-trae-beo.htm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/serb-mass-grave-reveals-secret-of-executed-americans-678125.html

I believe these are more than enough. If you still doubt, just go to google and type batajnica, petrovo selo or bajna basta and you’ll have many links, even from the Serbian government.

We can only hope that both sides will do everything they can to find out about the fate of the missing persons having in mind families that need to find out, and have a decent funeral for their loved ones, if nothing else.

Mercedes, I'm not judgung at all. There is no need for me to judge. I'm simply presenting proof from reliable and indepenent sources.
The link you presented here comes from a website which exlusiveley was constructed to protect the man responsible for these and many similiar crimes, i.e. Milosevic and his co, so what were you expecting from such website.
Your saying that 'you neither say that it happened nor it didn't' doesn't really go along with your link, since all I can read there is pure denial. Anyway here is another link, it also quotes witnesses from Serbia http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/i-never-found-their-bodies-686575.html.
I kind of agree to your last paragraph, even though it's a bit strange wishing all the best to the dead.