The government in Priština has rejected all proposals made by Belgrade to solve the problem of power supply to the Serb areas in Kosovo, says Petar Škundrić.
If you want to have electricity you can pay it.
We don't care who pays,just go and do it,if you wanna have.Don't make this political.Everywhere citizens pay their bills.
To pay bills to KEK? No! Albanians werent paying their bills when we asked them,they failed to respect their serbian country for that reason they dont have right to ask same! So Serbs will not pay!
But you see this is not a donation. It's a negotiated price. It would all be signed sealed and delivered, so why not take it?
Which business does not want to charge double for their product with the blessing of consumer?
It's politics mate.
(Peggy, 1 June 2009 15:28)
Peggy, who are you truing to full? Who exactly are gonna be the signatories? The Serbian state and who? UNMIK maybe, or EULEX? Well none of them are electric companies. The Serbian state for once will never want to have KEK as signatories as that would mean exactly recognizing indirectly. Can you find me one reason why KEK would want UNMIK and EULEX sign for them. Why would then Prishtina would want indirectly recognize Belgrade. See Serbia thinks that by playing these games it is outsmarting everyone else. It hasn't been the case this far. What solution could there be? Well maybe a Texas style energy market. One producer different delivery companies. KEK being the producer. If the Serbs in Kosova don't get manipulated again by Belgrade the could create a delivery company and deliver to the Serbs, after the company and not the average Serb buys from KEK. Yet for some reason I think the Serb are gonna find something else to politicize with this issue. And when this issue is solved they are gonna find something else to politicize, and then something else... Its their choice and their own doing. What matters at the end of the day is that they have the choice to whether have electricity or be pawns of Belgrade cafeteria politics.
If the Albanian diaspora was able to fund schools and medical care when the Albanians withdrew from the government, why can't the Serbian diaspora step up and support this village by purchasing solar panels or wind turbines for it?
The last thing KEK should do is rely on donations from Serbia. As they say around there 'cist racun, duga ljubav'(Clean bill, a long love).
(BH_NYC, 1 June 2009 11:24)
But you see this is not a donation. It's a negotiated price. It would all be signed sealed and delivered, so why not take it?
Which business does not want to charge double for their product with the blessing of consumer?
KeK does not need Serbian donations of electricity. There is plenty of electricity to go around, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the Serbs pay their bills, they get electricity, and when they cease doing so, they are cut off. So it's a very simple solution, and it doesn't involve Serbia: PAY YOUR BILLS,A ND YOU GET LIGHTS TO TURN ON. That's it. Serbia is looking to score political points, and as usual, it is failing miserably.
(Tunxh, 31 May 2009 15:28)
Look at this comment above he speaks of paying bills and trying to make a political ploy out of this. Why pay the electric bill if i only get 4-8 hours of power per day? If they were recieveing continous power then there is no reason to complain but when power is exported to albania to make money well why pay. This is a classic example of a closed minded person. In the US if you dont' pay you don't get power, EPS wants to donate but Pristina says no? So there is really no rights in Kosovo. If i choose not to accept KEK power and i choose EPS what is the big deal? It is called Free enterprise. Some Dummy set off a bomb at Ben af in Ferizaj or Uroesevec however you want to call it because he was taking business from other folks well he rebuilt and was granted tax free status for a few years. Small business still lost. Now this horse dung about the Power. If Pristina wants to restrict the power supply to the Serbs then this is how you fix it. Offer a tender to another power company to provide power to Enclaves or who ever else would like to have a second choice of providers. State the stipulations clearly and let the bidding war begin. That is call free enterprise not a police state that the Pristina is trying to create. Make life difficult for the Serbs and sooner or later EULEX will force Pristina's hand. Either KeK provides unlimited power to subscribers who pay or cease to operate.
Every kilowat spent, should be paid.Obviously, Belgrade government, will keep manipulating Kosovo Serbs, for some more time.
(shubi, 31 May 2009 19:29)
And who manipulating Albanians until 99 when they played similar games??
Logic:
"For the past five winters Hugo Chavez of Venezuela,one of the world's most anti-U.S. leaders, was delivering millions of gallons of heating oil for free to hundreds of thousands low income Americans who could not afford it.
The super power America accepted it gracefully"
Yes, a wonderful move by Chavez, and a good antidote to some of the ignorant anti-Chavez diatribes on this list.
However, can you remind us again what that has to do with this issue? Was Chavez supplying low income Americans in order to make a claim of sovereignty over the US, as appears to be Serbia's aim? And was Chavez supplying only ethnic Venezuelans in the US?
Great news. Now its official, K-Serbs' refusal to pay the bills is not because they can't afford it but because Belgrade is telling them not to do so. Everyone who's been complaining about Serbs' human rights being violated because they were left w/o electricity should direct their complaints towards Belgrade from now on.
"Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia"."
And Prishtina is ready for any kind of agreement that indirectly considers Kosova a part of Serbia.
"the Serb minister saying that they want to supply only the Serbs directly from Serbia because they do not want to indirectly recognize Kosova is not political?"
Johny, it IS political. No one is saying otherwise apart from certain arrogant Albanians and their pay or get lost attitude- how things change eh?
KEK have been offered a commercial solution - a good one. But they won't take it. I'd have thought, in the meantime, a private investor would like getting twice as much power as is consumed by a few hundred thousand given that the generating infrastructure is in a mess. However, for lots of reasons I think it unlikely there will be any credible bids for KEK from the normal players in that field. Maybe from some shysters or Albanian diaspora syndicate.
1) Because it's discriminatory. You cannot have a utility company serving only Serbs, or only Albanians. If they pay, they get electricity from KEK. It's that simple. Dozens of Serb villages have signed this type of agreement already with KEK.
So the Serb minister saying that they want to supply only the Serbs directly from Serbia because they do not want to indirectly recognize Kosova is not political? Not paying your bills because you think you recognizing indirectly is not political? Then how are you exactly being oppressed if you refuse to pay your bills because you think its bad politics if you pay such bills? You are consciously making a choice not to pay your bills and thus not to have electricity because of political reasons. How is this oppression? How is this not hypocritical when the choice of the Serbs is political and you accuse the other side of basing this on political grounds? The point is that as always the Serbs find every little thing they can to turn into something political. Why are other minorities paying this company and not making a fuss about it. Because they want electricity to watch TV, wash clothes, be warm at night. They realize the politic doesn't equal electricity. The Serbs think politics equals just that. Well let politics turn on their lights and their TV's and their washing machines, and their stoves. These people are being manipulated, and fooled. Even at the height of war we didn't refuse electricity because the company was owned by the Serbian state. It's stupid. This is not shoes we are talking about, where you can change them as you want and pick and buy the color and pair you want. It doesn't work like that.
"Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia"."
Good. Serbia is only interested how to devide Kosova "diplomatically". Unacceptable to Kosova.
'There are some Serbians who have already said they would pay so long as they don't have to sign anything but that wasn't accepted. It just goes to show that this has been politicised.'
Not necessarily. KEK is scheduled to be privatized this year, and in order to get the best price for it, the company will have to show that it has contracts with as many users (paying, preferably) as possible.
Pay your bills. When hell freezes over will there be a Serb electric company in Kosovo supplying only Serbs. In other words, never :)
(vermut, 31 May 2009, 18:34)"
Pay your bills. When hell freezes over will there be a Serb electric company in Kosovo supplying only Serbs. In other words, never :)
(vermut, 31 May 2009 18:34)
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Not to worry, I'm sure they will be supplying some Albanians also.
The maturity of the current temporary institutions in Kosovo is faily low. There are some Serbians who have already said they would pay so long as they don't have to sign anything but that wasn't accepted. It just goes to show that this has been politicised. It's not just a matter of paying bills but rather expressing their frustrations of Kosovo's failed independence by punishing the provincial minorities. Time for some people to grow up I think.
For the past five winters Hugo Chavez of Venezuela,one of the world's most anti-U.S. leaders, was delivering millions of gallons of heating oil for free to hundreds of thousands low income Americans who could not afford it.
The super power America accepted it gracefully.
Joseph Kennedy, son of Senator Robert Kennedy, responded to some criticism:
"Some people say it's bad politics to accept the fuel, I say it's a crime against humanity not to"
Sapienti sat.
KeK does not need Serbian donations of electricity. There is plenty of electricity to go around, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the Serbs pay their bills, they get electricity, and when they cease doing so, they are cut off. So it's a very simple solution, and it doesn't involve Serbia: PAY YOUR BILLS,A ND YOU GET LIGHTS TO TURN ON. That's it. Serbia is looking to score political points, and as usual, it is failing miserably.
(Tunxh, 31 May 2009 15:28)
It's very easy. K-Serbs DON'T NEED electricity from KEK. They need electricity from their own power company - EPS.
PAY YOUR BILLS!!!! Serbian government thinks that they are some kind of super power - but, they are wrong. You cannot make anyone do anything ANYMORE!! plus if Kosovo is run by UMNIK, how come they are not involved in this issue????
"Arn´t all the KosovO electricity of serbian origin?"
Serbia is NET IMPORTER of electricity so no, but all countries trade energy among themselves. If Serbia wants to give free power to EVERYONE I'm sure KEK will take, no discrimination. if Serbia says that everyone in Kosova is a Serbian citizen, why the discrimination?
KEK import electricity at expensive rates because it cannot meet demand. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the current situation the offer to put 2x electricity consumed into the grid is commercially desirable. In fact, it is a gift and any commercial organisation making decisions on commercial grounds would agree.
Therefore, what is indisputable is that the decision, right or wrong, is not a commercial one but a political one.
Get it? In my view, using such a basic need to break the will of people is oppression. It seems plain that the Kosovo government want to force its will on people rather than trying to persuade them. And that that is more important than regional stability.
Accept the offer. KEK wins. People have electricity.
Arn´t all the KosovO electricity of serbian origin?
If so, stop sending any of it to the criminal head-chopping entity until they learn to behave as the rest of us do, in a civiliced manner.
Until then let the american occupation authorities in occupied "camp bondsteel" provide their clients with electricity. Furthermore, we should of cource negotiate directly with the occupation authorities NATO/USA, and not their hang around thugs, whatever they call themselves.
And yes, Bondsteel should also provide the serbs, it falls under the geneva convention, since they are their "Palestinians" now...
Problem solved! Give it some 2-3 years and the disintegrated empire will not be around anymore to do more harm in the world and the poor Albanians will have to negotiate and learn living with non-albanians again.
" According to him, Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia". "
So why is he asking the Albanians then? isn't UNMIK or EULEX there?
KeK does not need Serbian donations of electricity. There is plenty of electricity to go around, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the Serbs pay their bills, they get electricity, and when they cease doing so, they are cut off. So it's a very simple solution, and it doesn't involve Serbia: PAY YOUR BILLS,A ND YOU GET LIGHTS TO TURN ON. That's it. Serbia is looking to score political points, and as usual, it is failing miserably.
"According to him, Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia"."
And the Kosovars are putting brutal political pressure?
Sir you want to help just not to recognise...sneaky
According to him, Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia
Mr. Who ever you are, this has nothing to do with recognition of statehood, but only to pay the bills what you are due.Please, stop mixing appleas and oranges together, they have nothing to do with each other.
An electricity company that struggles to meet demand being offered twice the amount consumed to be put into the its grid. Makes astoundingly good commercial sense for KEK.
Come back all of you who said it wasn't political. Is that still your position?
According to him, Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia
Mr. Who ever you are, this has nothing to do with recognition of statehood, but only to pay the bills what you are due.Please, stop mixing appleas and oranges together, they have nothing to do with each other.
An electricity company that struggles to meet demand being offered twice the amount consumed to be put into the its grid. Makes astoundingly good commercial sense for KEK.
Come back all of you who said it wasn't political. Is that still your position?
"According to him, Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia"."
And the Kosovars are putting brutal political pressure?
Sir you want to help just not to recognise...sneaky
Arn´t all the KosovO electricity of serbian origin?
If so, stop sending any of it to the criminal head-chopping entity until they learn to behave as the rest of us do, in a civiliced manner.
Until then let the american occupation authorities in occupied "camp bondsteel" provide their clients with electricity. Furthermore, we should of cource negotiate directly with the occupation authorities NATO/USA, and not their hang around thugs, whatever they call themselves.
And yes, Bondsteel should also provide the serbs, it falls under the geneva convention, since they are their "Palestinians" now...
Problem solved! Give it some 2-3 years and the disintegrated empire will not be around anymore to do more harm in the world and the poor Albanians will have to negotiate and learn living with non-albanians again.
PAY YOUR BILLS!!!! Serbian government thinks that they are some kind of super power - but, they are wrong. You cannot make anyone do anything ANYMORE!! plus if Kosovo is run by UMNIK, how come they are not involved in this issue????
" According to him, Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia". "
So why is he asking the Albanians then? isn't UNMIK or EULEX there?
For the past five winters Hugo Chavez of Venezuela,one of the world's most anti-U.S. leaders, was delivering millions of gallons of heating oil for free to hundreds of thousands low income Americans who could not afford it.
The super power America accepted it gracefully.
Joseph Kennedy, son of Senator Robert Kennedy, responded to some criticism:
"Some people say it's bad politics to accept the fuel, I say it's a crime against humanity not to"
Sapienti sat.
KeK does not need Serbian donations of electricity. There is plenty of electricity to go around, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the Serbs pay their bills, they get electricity, and when they cease doing so, they are cut off. So it's a very simple solution, and it doesn't involve Serbia: PAY YOUR BILLS,A ND YOU GET LIGHTS TO TURN ON. That's it. Serbia is looking to score political points, and as usual, it is failing miserably.
KEK import electricity at expensive rates because it cannot meet demand. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the current situation the offer to put 2x electricity consumed into the grid is commercially desirable. In fact, it is a gift and any commercial organisation making decisions on commercial grounds would agree.
Therefore, what is indisputable is that the decision, right or wrong, is not a commercial one but a political one.
Get it? In my view, using such a basic need to break the will of people is oppression. It seems plain that the Kosovo government want to force its will on people rather than trying to persuade them. And that that is more important than regional stability.
Accept the offer. KEK wins. People have electricity.
Pay your bills. When hell freezes over will there be a Serb electric company in Kosovo supplying only Serbs. In other words, never :)
(vermut, 31 May 2009, 18:34)"
1) Because it's discriminatory. You cannot have a utility company serving only Serbs, or only Albanians. If they pay, they get electricity from KEK. It's that simple. Dozens of Serb villages have signed this type of agreement already with KEK.
"Arn´t all the KosovO electricity of serbian origin?"
Serbia is NET IMPORTER of electricity so no, but all countries trade energy among themselves. If Serbia wants to give free power to EVERYONE I'm sure KEK will take, no discrimination. if Serbia says that everyone in Kosova is a Serbian citizen, why the discrimination?
KeK does not need Serbian donations of electricity. There is plenty of electricity to go around, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the Serbs pay their bills, they get electricity, and when they cease doing so, they are cut off. So it's a very simple solution, and it doesn't involve Serbia: PAY YOUR BILLS,A ND YOU GET LIGHTS TO TURN ON. That's it. Serbia is looking to score political points, and as usual, it is failing miserably.
(Tunxh, 31 May 2009 15:28)
It's very easy. K-Serbs DON'T NEED electricity from KEK. They need electricity from their own power company - EPS.
Pay your bills. When hell freezes over will there be a Serb electric company in Kosovo supplying only Serbs. In other words, never :)
(vermut, 31 May 2009 18:34)
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Not to worry, I'm sure they will be supplying some Albanians also.
The maturity of the current temporary institutions in Kosovo is faily low. There are some Serbians who have already said they would pay so long as they don't have to sign anything but that wasn't accepted. It just goes to show that this has been politicised. It's not just a matter of paying bills but rather expressing their frustrations of Kosovo's failed independence by punishing the provincial minorities. Time for some people to grow up I think.
So the Serb minister saying that they want to supply only the Serbs directly from Serbia because they do not want to indirectly recognize Kosova is not political? Not paying your bills because you think you recognizing indirectly is not political? Then how are you exactly being oppressed if you refuse to pay your bills because you think its bad politics if you pay such bills? You are consciously making a choice not to pay your bills and thus not to have electricity because of political reasons. How is this oppression? How is this not hypocritical when the choice of the Serbs is political and you accuse the other side of basing this on political grounds? The point is that as always the Serbs find every little thing they can to turn into something political. Why are other minorities paying this company and not making a fuss about it. Because they want electricity to watch TV, wash clothes, be warm at night. They realize the politic doesn't equal electricity. The Serbs think politics equals just that. Well let politics turn on their lights and their TV's and their washing machines, and their stoves. These people are being manipulated, and fooled. Even at the height of war we didn't refuse electricity because the company was owned by the Serbian state. It's stupid. This is not shoes we are talking about, where you can change them as you want and pick and buy the color and pair you want. It doesn't work like that.
"the Serb minister saying that they want to supply only the Serbs directly from Serbia because they do not want to indirectly recognize Kosova is not political?"
Johny, it IS political. No one is saying otherwise apart from certain arrogant Albanians and their pay or get lost attitude- how things change eh?
KEK have been offered a commercial solution - a good one. But they won't take it. I'd have thought, in the meantime, a private investor would like getting twice as much power as is consumed by a few hundred thousand given that the generating infrastructure is in a mess. However, for lots of reasons I think it unlikely there will be any credible bids for KEK from the normal players in that field. Maybe from some shysters or Albanian diaspora syndicate.
Every kilowat spent, should be paid.Obviously, Belgrade government, will keep manipulating Kosovo Serbs, for some more time.
(shubi, 31 May 2009 19:29)
And who manipulating Albanians until 99 when they played similar games??
"Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia"."
Good. Serbia is only interested how to devide Kosova "diplomatically". Unacceptable to Kosova.
Great news. Now its official, K-Serbs' refusal to pay the bills is not because they can't afford it but because Belgrade is telling them not to do so. Everyone who's been complaining about Serbs' human rights being violated because they were left w/o electricity should direct their complaints towards Belgrade from now on.
KeK does not need Serbian donations of electricity. There is plenty of electricity to go around, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the Serbs pay their bills, they get electricity, and when they cease doing so, they are cut off. So it's a very simple solution, and it doesn't involve Serbia: PAY YOUR BILLS,A ND YOU GET LIGHTS TO TURN ON. That's it. Serbia is looking to score political points, and as usual, it is failing miserably.
(Tunxh, 31 May 2009 15:28)
Look at this comment above he speaks of paying bills and trying to make a political ploy out of this. Why pay the electric bill if i only get 4-8 hours of power per day? If they were recieveing continous power then there is no reason to complain but when power is exported to albania to make money well why pay. This is a classic example of a closed minded person. In the US if you dont' pay you don't get power, EPS wants to donate but Pristina says no? So there is really no rights in Kosovo. If i choose not to accept KEK power and i choose EPS what is the big deal? It is called Free enterprise. Some Dummy set off a bomb at Ben af in Ferizaj or Uroesevec however you want to call it because he was taking business from other folks well he rebuilt and was granted tax free status for a few years. Small business still lost. Now this horse dung about the Power. If Pristina wants to restrict the power supply to the Serbs then this is how you fix it. Offer a tender to another power company to provide power to Enclaves or who ever else would like to have a second choice of providers. State the stipulations clearly and let the bidding war begin. That is call free enterprise not a police state that the Pristina is trying to create. Make life difficult for the Serbs and sooner or later EULEX will force Pristina's hand. Either KeK provides unlimited power to subscribers who pay or cease to operate.
Logic:
"For the past five winters Hugo Chavez of Venezuela,one of the world's most anti-U.S. leaders, was delivering millions of gallons of heating oil for free to hundreds of thousands low income Americans who could not afford it.
The super power America accepted it gracefully"
Yes, a wonderful move by Chavez, and a good antidote to some of the ignorant anti-Chavez diatribes on this list.
However, can you remind us again what that has to do with this issue? Was Chavez supplying low income Americans in order to make a claim of sovereignty over the US, as appears to be Serbia's aim? And was Chavez supplying only ethnic Venezuelans in the US?
"Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia"."
And Prishtina is ready for any kind of agreement that indirectly considers Kosova a part of Serbia.
To pay bills to KEK? No! Albanians werent paying their bills when we asked them,they failed to respect their serbian country for that reason they dont have right to ask same! So Serbs will not pay!
The last thing KEK should do is rely on donations from Serbia. As they say around there 'cist racun, duga ljubav'(Clean bill, a long love).
(BH_NYC, 1 June 2009 11:24)
But you see this is not a donation. It's a negotiated price. It would all be signed sealed and delivered, so why not take it?
Which business does not want to charge double for their product with the blessing of consumer?
'There are some Serbians who have already said they would pay so long as they don't have to sign anything but that wasn't accepted. It just goes to show that this has been politicised.'
Not necessarily. KEK is scheduled to be privatized this year, and in order to get the best price for it, the company will have to show that it has contracts with as many users (paying, preferably) as possible.
But you see this is not a donation. It's a negotiated price. It would all be signed sealed and delivered, so why not take it?
Which business does not want to charge double for their product with the blessing of consumer?
It's politics mate.
(Peggy, 1 June 2009 15:28)
Peggy, who are you truing to full? Who exactly are gonna be the signatories? The Serbian state and who? UNMIK maybe, or EULEX? Well none of them are electric companies. The Serbian state for once will never want to have KEK as signatories as that would mean exactly recognizing indirectly. Can you find me one reason why KEK would want UNMIK and EULEX sign for them. Why would then Prishtina would want indirectly recognize Belgrade. See Serbia thinks that by playing these games it is outsmarting everyone else. It hasn't been the case this far. What solution could there be? Well maybe a Texas style energy market. One producer different delivery companies. KEK being the producer. If the Serbs in Kosova don't get manipulated again by Belgrade the could create a delivery company and deliver to the Serbs, after the company and not the average Serb buys from KEK. Yet for some reason I think the Serb are gonna find something else to politicize with this issue. And when this issue is solved they are gonna find something else to politicize, and then something else... Its their choice and their own doing. What matters at the end of the day is that they have the choice to whether have electricity or be pawns of Belgrade cafeteria politics.
If the Albanian diaspora was able to fund schools and medical care when the Albanians withdrew from the government, why can't the Serbian diaspora step up and support this village by purchasing solar panels or wind turbines for it?
If you want to have electricity you can pay it.
We don't care who pays,just go and do it,if you wanna have.Don't make this political.Everywhere citizens pay their bills.
According to him, Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia
Mr. Who ever you are, this has nothing to do with recognition of statehood, but only to pay the bills what you are due.Please, stop mixing appleas and oranges together, they have nothing to do with each other.
Arn´t all the KosovO electricity of serbian origin?
If so, stop sending any of it to the criminal head-chopping entity until they learn to behave as the rest of us do, in a civiliced manner.
Until then let the american occupation authorities in occupied "camp bondsteel" provide their clients with electricity. Furthermore, we should of cource negotiate directly with the occupation authorities NATO/USA, and not their hang around thugs, whatever they call themselves.
And yes, Bondsteel should also provide the serbs, it falls under the geneva convention, since they are their "Palestinians" now...
Problem solved! Give it some 2-3 years and the disintegrated empire will not be around anymore to do more harm in the world and the poor Albanians will have to negotiate and learn living with non-albanians again.
KeK does not need Serbian donations of electricity. There is plenty of electricity to go around, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the Serbs pay their bills, they get electricity, and when they cease doing so, they are cut off. So it's a very simple solution, and it doesn't involve Serbia: PAY YOUR BILLS,A ND YOU GET LIGHTS TO TURN ON. That's it. Serbia is looking to score political points, and as usual, it is failing miserably.
PAY YOUR BILLS!!!! Serbian government thinks that they are some kind of super power - but, they are wrong. You cannot make anyone do anything ANYMORE!! plus if Kosovo is run by UMNIK, how come they are not involved in this issue????
" According to him, Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia". "
So why is he asking the Albanians then? isn't UNMIK or EULEX there?
"According to him, Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia"."
And the Kosovars are putting brutal political pressure?
Sir you want to help just not to recognise...sneaky
"Arn´t all the KosovO electricity of serbian origin?"
Serbia is NET IMPORTER of electricity so no, but all countries trade energy among themselves. If Serbia wants to give free power to EVERYONE I'm sure KEK will take, no discrimination. if Serbia says that everyone in Kosova is a Serbian citizen, why the discrimination?
"Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia"."
Good. Serbia is only interested how to devide Kosova "diplomatically". Unacceptable to Kosova.
So the Serb minister saying that they want to supply only the Serbs directly from Serbia because they do not want to indirectly recognize Kosova is not political? Not paying your bills because you think you recognizing indirectly is not political? Then how are you exactly being oppressed if you refuse to pay your bills because you think its bad politics if you pay such bills? You are consciously making a choice not to pay your bills and thus not to have electricity because of political reasons. How is this oppression? How is this not hypocritical when the choice of the Serbs is political and you accuse the other side of basing this on political grounds? The point is that as always the Serbs find every little thing they can to turn into something political. Why are other minorities paying this company and not making a fuss about it. Because they want electricity to watch TV, wash clothes, be warm at night. They realize the politic doesn't equal electricity. The Serbs think politics equals just that. Well let politics turn on their lights and their TV's and their washing machines, and their stoves. These people are being manipulated, and fooled. Even at the height of war we didn't refuse electricity because the company was owned by the Serbian state. It's stupid. This is not shoes we are talking about, where you can change them as you want and pick and buy the color and pair you want. It doesn't work like that.
'There are some Serbians who have already said they would pay so long as they don't have to sign anything but that wasn't accepted. It just goes to show that this has been politicised.'
Not necessarily. KEK is scheduled to be privatized this year, and in order to get the best price for it, the company will have to show that it has contracts with as many users (paying, preferably) as possible.
An electricity company that struggles to meet demand being offered twice the amount consumed to be put into the its grid. Makes astoundingly good commercial sense for KEK.
Come back all of you who said it wasn't political. Is that still your position?
KeK does not need Serbian donations of electricity. There is plenty of electricity to go around, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the Serbs pay their bills, they get electricity, and when they cease doing so, they are cut off. So it's a very simple solution, and it doesn't involve Serbia: PAY YOUR BILLS,A ND YOU GET LIGHTS TO TURN ON. That's it. Serbia is looking to score political points, and as usual, it is failing miserably.
(Tunxh, 31 May 2009 15:28)
It's very easy. K-Serbs DON'T NEED electricity from KEK. They need electricity from their own power company - EPS.
Pay your bills. When hell freezes over will there be a Serb electric company in Kosovo supplying only Serbs. In other words, never :)
(vermut, 31 May 2009 18:34)
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Not to worry, I'm sure they will be supplying some Albanians also.
The maturity of the current temporary institutions in Kosovo is faily low. There are some Serbians who have already said they would pay so long as they don't have to sign anything but that wasn't accepted. It just goes to show that this has been politicised. It's not just a matter of paying bills but rather expressing their frustrations of Kosovo's failed independence by punishing the provincial minorities. Time for some people to grow up I think.
1) Because it's discriminatory. You cannot have a utility company serving only Serbs, or only Albanians. If they pay, they get electricity from KEK. It's that simple. Dozens of Serb villages have signed this type of agreement already with KEK.
Great news. Now its official, K-Serbs' refusal to pay the bills is not because they can't afford it but because Belgrade is telling them not to do so. Everyone who's been complaining about Serbs' human rights being violated because they were left w/o electricity should direct their complaints towards Belgrade from now on.
For the past five winters Hugo Chavez of Venezuela,one of the world's most anti-U.S. leaders, was delivering millions of gallons of heating oil for free to hundreds of thousands low income Americans who could not afford it.
The super power America accepted it gracefully.
Joseph Kennedy, son of Senator Robert Kennedy, responded to some criticism:
"Some people say it's bad politics to accept the fuel, I say it's a crime against humanity not to"
Sapienti sat.
Pay your bills. When hell freezes over will there be a Serb electric company in Kosovo supplying only Serbs. In other words, never :)
(vermut, 31 May 2009, 18:34)"
KEK import electricity at expensive rates because it cannot meet demand. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the current situation the offer to put 2x electricity consumed into the grid is commercially desirable. In fact, it is a gift and any commercial organisation making decisions on commercial grounds would agree.
Therefore, what is indisputable is that the decision, right or wrong, is not a commercial one but a political one.
Get it? In my view, using such a basic need to break the will of people is oppression. It seems plain that the Kosovo government want to force its will on people rather than trying to persuade them. And that that is more important than regional stability.
Accept the offer. KEK wins. People have electricity.
"the Serb minister saying that they want to supply only the Serbs directly from Serbia because they do not want to indirectly recognize Kosova is not political?"
Johny, it IS political. No one is saying otherwise apart from certain arrogant Albanians and their pay or get lost attitude- how things change eh?
KEK have been offered a commercial solution - a good one. But they won't take it. I'd have thought, in the meantime, a private investor would like getting twice as much power as is consumed by a few hundred thousand given that the generating infrastructure is in a mess. However, for lots of reasons I think it unlikely there will be any credible bids for KEK from the normal players in that field. Maybe from some shysters or Albanian diaspora syndicate.
"Belgrade is ready for any kind of arrangement that does not include an indirect recognition of Kosovo's "statehood", which is "unacceptable to Serbia"."
And Prishtina is ready for any kind of agreement that indirectly considers Kosova a part of Serbia.
Logic:
"For the past five winters Hugo Chavez of Venezuela,one of the world's most anti-U.S. leaders, was delivering millions of gallons of heating oil for free to hundreds of thousands low income Americans who could not afford it.
The super power America accepted it gracefully"
Yes, a wonderful move by Chavez, and a good antidote to some of the ignorant anti-Chavez diatribes on this list.
However, can you remind us again what that has to do with this issue? Was Chavez supplying low income Americans in order to make a claim of sovereignty over the US, as appears to be Serbia's aim? And was Chavez supplying only ethnic Venezuelans in the US?
If you want to have electricity you can pay it.
We don't care who pays,just go and do it,if you wanna have.Don't make this political.Everywhere citizens pay their bills.
Every kilowat spent, should be paid.Obviously, Belgrade government, will keep manipulating Kosovo Serbs, for some more time.
(shubi, 31 May 2009 19:29)
And who manipulating Albanians until 99 when they played similar games??
KeK does not need Serbian donations of electricity. There is plenty of electricity to go around, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the Serbs pay their bills, they get electricity, and when they cease doing so, they are cut off. So it's a very simple solution, and it doesn't involve Serbia: PAY YOUR BILLS,A ND YOU GET LIGHTS TO TURN ON. That's it. Serbia is looking to score political points, and as usual, it is failing miserably.
(Tunxh, 31 May 2009 15:28)
Look at this comment above he speaks of paying bills and trying to make a political ploy out of this. Why pay the electric bill if i only get 4-8 hours of power per day? If they were recieveing continous power then there is no reason to complain but when power is exported to albania to make money well why pay. This is a classic example of a closed minded person. In the US if you dont' pay you don't get power, EPS wants to donate but Pristina says no? So there is really no rights in Kosovo. If i choose not to accept KEK power and i choose EPS what is the big deal? It is called Free enterprise. Some Dummy set off a bomb at Ben af in Ferizaj or Uroesevec however you want to call it because he was taking business from other folks well he rebuilt and was granted tax free status for a few years. Small business still lost. Now this horse dung about the Power. If Pristina wants to restrict the power supply to the Serbs then this is how you fix it. Offer a tender to another power company to provide power to Enclaves or who ever else would like to have a second choice of providers. State the stipulations clearly and let the bidding war begin. That is call free enterprise not a police state that the Pristina is trying to create. Make life difficult for the Serbs and sooner or later EULEX will force Pristina's hand. Either KeK provides unlimited power to subscribers who pay or cease to operate.
But you see this is not a donation. It's a negotiated price. It would all be signed sealed and delivered, so why not take it?
Which business does not want to charge double for their product with the blessing of consumer?
It's politics mate.
(Peggy, 1 June 2009 15:28)
Peggy, who are you truing to full? Who exactly are gonna be the signatories? The Serbian state and who? UNMIK maybe, or EULEX? Well none of them are electric companies. The Serbian state for once will never want to have KEK as signatories as that would mean exactly recognizing indirectly. Can you find me one reason why KEK would want UNMIK and EULEX sign for them. Why would then Prishtina would want indirectly recognize Belgrade. See Serbia thinks that by playing these games it is outsmarting everyone else. It hasn't been the case this far. What solution could there be? Well maybe a Texas style energy market. One producer different delivery companies. KEK being the producer. If the Serbs in Kosova don't get manipulated again by Belgrade the could create a delivery company and deliver to the Serbs, after the company and not the average Serb buys from KEK. Yet for some reason I think the Serb are gonna find something else to politicize with this issue. And when this issue is solved they are gonna find something else to politicize, and then something else... Its their choice and their own doing. What matters at the end of the day is that they have the choice to whether have electricity or be pawns of Belgrade cafeteria politics.
If the Albanian diaspora was able to fund schools and medical care when the Albanians withdrew from the government, why can't the Serbian diaspora step up and support this village by purchasing solar panels or wind turbines for it?
The last thing KEK should do is rely on donations from Serbia. As they say around there 'cist racun, duga ljubav'(Clean bill, a long love).
(BH_NYC, 1 June 2009 11:24)
But you see this is not a donation. It's a negotiated price. It would all be signed sealed and delivered, so why not take it?
Which business does not want to charge double for their product with the blessing of consumer?
To pay bills to KEK? No! Albanians werent paying their bills when we asked them,they failed to respect their serbian country for that reason they dont have right to ask same! So Serbs will not pay!
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