IMF boss Age Bakker says Kosovo’s membership of the organization "will play a key role" in the future economic development, reports the Priština press.
You guys need to read up on this. The UNSC has the final say after it has been accepted by the host nation and the UN general assembly. Whatever else is being said is just a con.
Zoran you are intentionally confusing matters here. The security council doesn't make states independent or not by allowing them to the UN. There have been examples when states haven't been UN members and considered independent by the world community. I believe, and I may be mistaken, that Serbia itself was kicked out of the UN during the wars in the 90's, for some periods of time. Also Switzerland was not a member either.
The procedure some poster here are referring to, deals with how North and South Korea became UN members. They both are members even though you had plenty of UNSC Veto holding countries didn't want either one or the other to be members. They got through by a 2/3 majority vote. This is why your little Vuk is worried about who recognizes us or not. It exists and its doable even if Russia doesn't like it. As for China don't be so sure. They have a tradition of abstaining. Also keep in mind that is was Albania who proposed them to enter the WTO and 30 years ago the Chinese were using our flag on their ships when they were banned from doing trade. We have done them some favors, an abstaining vote is reachable. The US can be instrumental here too. Anyways point is the procedure and precedent already exist to become a UN member through 2/3 majority.
Amer, what does that have to do with Kosovo independence? The security council have already discussed independence and both Russia and China would veto it so it is resolved. The answer is no independence.
'Keep dreaming alban, there is no such emergency procedure. It sounds to me like you are either making things up or you've been conned.'
Resolution 377(A) (1950) - “Uniting for Peace,” - “resolves that
if the Security Council…fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of
international peace and security in any case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately with a view to making appropriate recommendation to Members for
collective measures,..."
They'll need lawyers for this, to argue that Serbia is interfering with Kosova's rights as an independent state (or something - I'd leave that bit up to the lawyers) and then that the "appropriate recommendations" include seating Kosova as a full member of the UN. This can't be blocked by the Security Council.
Keep dreaming alban, there is no such emergency procedure. It sounds to me like you are either making things up or you've been conned. The UNSC is the only place to create newly independent states and it can only do that with agreement from the host nation. Serbia in this case which will never allow such an act.
Personally, if believing you are independent keeps our Southern citizens pacified then the purpose is served until the rule of law is firmly established and the criminals weeded out. When the beans are spilled and the temporary institutions finally tell the truth you cannot then revert to violence and criminal activity again.
More than autonomy, less than independence will be much easier to implement. If the occupiers can last another 15 years then you'll be lucky enough to have that privilege.
Guys, it's not up to the UN general assembly to determine independence but the security council. It only takes one of 5 to object but we have 2 - being Russia and China. It's game over folks.
I repeat, the IMF does not determine independence. It is a US club so if Kosovo was referred to as a republic then it's not surprising really. That's why Serbia would have opposed it.
Keep close to the US. From what I can see they are doing just fine. Just ask their former allies Saddam Hussien and Osama Bin Laden how things turned out. What are the chances of Hashim Thaci being next?
"Guys, it's not up to the UN general assembly to determine independence but the security council. It only takes one of 5 to object but we have 2 - being Russia and China. It's game over folks."
There is an emergency procedure that sidesteps UN SEC, but over the next years Serbia will have to make a choice, then no one will have any objections.
--I repeat, the IMF does not determine independence. It is a US club so if Kosovo was referred to as a republic then it's not surprising really. That's why Serbia would have opposed it.
IMF is a UN agency that accepts independent states http://www.scottishlaw.org.uk/scotlaw/internationalorgs.html
you can say whatever you want, but that is nothing that the Serbs didn´t intend to accept anyway, so you can expect that they gave their green light to this, and now it is made for you to look as if you are "independent" - and so your firy heads have the chance to cool off.
but in reality, nothing goes without international law...
Guys, statehood is granted at the UN and not the IMF. The UN has already rejected independence and that is irreversibly blocked. Everything else is just a con.
(Zoran, 30 May 2009 19:57)
Kosova was never put in for a vote in UN General Assembly, but when it does you can rest assured that the pro vote will be over 2/3 majority.
Guys, statehood is granted at the UN and not the IMF. The UN has already rejected independence and that is irreversibly blocked. Everything else is just a con.
"Membership into the IMF and Worldbank is part of Serbia's more than autonomy, less than independence offer so no great surprises there. "
A member as Republic of Kosovo right? That was Serbia's idea?
--Kosovo cannot become independent so the time will come for the temporary institutions to stop feeding people unrealistic expectations.
I have to wonder what papers are you reading? 96 states for Kosova to enter IMF as a republic of Kosovo, 60 have recognized us so far, 80% of NATO, EU, yet you think that you can find an Albanian who wants to live under serbs again
Kosovo cannot become independent so the time will come for the temporary institutions to stop feeding people unrealistic expectations.
(Zoran, 30 May 2009 14:08)
And your institutions are all about reality and are not feeding you anything but the truth. The sad part is that while you claim Serbia,Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Greece and co have the power to see their fight through but Kosova and USA don't.
"Membership into the IMF and Worldbank is part of Serbia's more than autonomy, less than independence offer so no great surprises there. "
A member as Republic of Kosovo right? That was Serbia's idea?
--Kosovo cannot become independent so the time will come for the temporary institutions to stop feeding people unrealistic expectations.
I have to wonder what papers are you reading? 96 states for Kosova to enter IMF as a republic of Kosovo, 60 have recognized us so far, 80% of NATO, EU, yet you think that you can find an Albanian who wants to live under serbs again
Kosovo cannot become independent so the time will come for the temporary institutions to stop feeding people unrealistic expectations.
(Zoran, 30 May 2009 14:08)
And your institutions are all about reality and are not feeding you anything but the truth. The sad part is that while you claim Serbia,Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Greece and co have the power to see their fight through but Kosova and USA don't.
Guys, statehood is granted at the UN and not the IMF. The UN has already rejected independence and that is irreversibly blocked. Everything else is just a con.
(Zoran, 30 May 2009 19:57)
Kosova was never put in for a vote in UN General Assembly, but when it does you can rest assured that the pro vote will be over 2/3 majority.
Guys, statehood is granted at the UN and not the IMF. The UN has already rejected independence and that is irreversibly blocked. Everything else is just a con.
Zoran you are intentionally confusing matters here. The security council doesn't make states independent or not by allowing them to the UN. There have been examples when states haven't been UN members and considered independent by the world community. I believe, and I may be mistaken, that Serbia itself was kicked out of the UN during the wars in the 90's, for some periods of time. Also Switzerland was not a member either.
The procedure some poster here are referring to, deals with how North and South Korea became UN members. They both are members even though you had plenty of UNSC Veto holding countries didn't want either one or the other to be members. They got through by a 2/3 majority vote. This is why your little Vuk is worried about who recognizes us or not. It exists and its doable even if Russia doesn't like it. As for China don't be so sure. They have a tradition of abstaining. Also keep in mind that is was Albania who proposed them to enter the WTO and 30 years ago the Chinese were using our flag on their ships when they were banned from doing trade. We have done them some favors, an abstaining vote is reachable. The US can be instrumental here too. Anyways point is the procedure and precedent already exist to become a UN member through 2/3 majority.
"Guys, it's not up to the UN general assembly to determine independence but the security council. It only takes one of 5 to object but we have 2 - being Russia and China. It's game over folks."
There is an emergency procedure that sidesteps UN SEC, but over the next years Serbia will have to make a choice, then no one will have any objections.
--I repeat, the IMF does not determine independence. It is a US club so if Kosovo was referred to as a republic then it's not surprising really. That's why Serbia would have opposed it.
IMF is a UN agency that accepts independent states http://www.scottishlaw.org.uk/scotlaw/internationalorgs.html
'Keep dreaming alban, there is no such emergency procedure. It sounds to me like you are either making things up or you've been conned.'
Resolution 377(A) (1950) - “Uniting for Peace,” - “resolves that
if the Security Council…fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of
international peace and security in any case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately with a view to making appropriate recommendation to Members for
collective measures,..."
They'll need lawyers for this, to argue that Serbia is interfering with Kosova's rights as an independent state (or something - I'd leave that bit up to the lawyers) and then that the "appropriate recommendations" include seating Kosova as a full member of the UN. This can't be blocked by the Security Council.
Keep dreaming alban, there is no such emergency procedure. It sounds to me like you are either making things up or you've been conned. The UNSC is the only place to create newly independent states and it can only do that with agreement from the host nation. Serbia in this case which will never allow such an act.
Personally, if believing you are independent keeps our Southern citizens pacified then the purpose is served until the rule of law is firmly established and the criminals weeded out. When the beans are spilled and the temporary institutions finally tell the truth you cannot then revert to violence and criminal activity again.
More than autonomy, less than independence will be much easier to implement. If the occupiers can last another 15 years then you'll be lucky enough to have that privilege.
you can say whatever you want, but that is nothing that the Serbs didn´t intend to accept anyway, so you can expect that they gave their green light to this, and now it is made for you to look as if you are "independent" - and so your firy heads have the chance to cool off.
but in reality, nothing goes without international law...
Guys, it's not up to the UN general assembly to determine independence but the security council. It only takes one of 5 to object but we have 2 - being Russia and China. It's game over folks.
I repeat, the IMF does not determine independence. It is a US club so if Kosovo was referred to as a republic then it's not surprising really. That's why Serbia would have opposed it.
Keep close to the US. From what I can see they are doing just fine. Just ask their former allies Saddam Hussien and Osama Bin Laden how things turned out. What are the chances of Hashim Thaci being next?
Amer, what does that have to do with Kosovo independence? The security council have already discussed independence and both Russia and China would veto it so it is resolved. The answer is no independence.
You guys need to read up on this. The UNSC has the final say after it has been accepted by the host nation and the UN general assembly. Whatever else is being said is just a con.
Guys, statehood is granted at the UN and not the IMF. The UN has already rejected independence and that is irreversibly blocked. Everything else is just a con.
you can say whatever you want, but that is nothing that the Serbs didn´t intend to accept anyway, so you can expect that they gave their green light to this, and now it is made for you to look as if you are "independent" - and so your firy heads have the chance to cool off.
but in reality, nothing goes without international law...
Guys, it's not up to the UN general assembly to determine independence but the security council. It only takes one of 5 to object but we have 2 - being Russia and China. It's game over folks.
I repeat, the IMF does not determine independence. It is a US club so if Kosovo was referred to as a republic then it's not surprising really. That's why Serbia would have opposed it.
Keep close to the US. From what I can see they are doing just fine. Just ask their former allies Saddam Hussien and Osama Bin Laden how things turned out. What are the chances of Hashim Thaci being next?
"Membership into the IMF and Worldbank is part of Serbia's more than autonomy, less than independence offer so no great surprises there. "
A member as Republic of Kosovo right? That was Serbia's idea?
--Kosovo cannot become independent so the time will come for the temporary institutions to stop feeding people unrealistic expectations.
I have to wonder what papers are you reading? 96 states for Kosova to enter IMF as a republic of Kosovo, 60 have recognized us so far, 80% of NATO, EU, yet you think that you can find an Albanian who wants to live under serbs again
You guys need to read up on this. The UNSC has the final say after it has been accepted by the host nation and the UN general assembly. Whatever else is being said is just a con.
Kosovo cannot become independent so the time will come for the temporary institutions to stop feeding people unrealistic expectations.
(Zoran, 30 May 2009 14:08)
And your institutions are all about reality and are not feeding you anything but the truth. The sad part is that while you claim Serbia,Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Greece and co have the power to see their fight through but Kosova and USA don't.
Keep dreaming alban, there is no such emergency procedure. It sounds to me like you are either making things up or you've been conned. The UNSC is the only place to create newly independent states and it can only do that with agreement from the host nation. Serbia in this case which will never allow such an act.
Personally, if believing you are independent keeps our Southern citizens pacified then the purpose is served until the rule of law is firmly established and the criminals weeded out. When the beans are spilled and the temporary institutions finally tell the truth you cannot then revert to violence and criminal activity again.
More than autonomy, less than independence will be much easier to implement. If the occupiers can last another 15 years then you'll be lucky enough to have that privilege.
Amer, what does that have to do with Kosovo independence? The security council have already discussed independence and both Russia and China would veto it so it is resolved. The answer is no independence.
'Keep dreaming alban, there is no such emergency procedure. It sounds to me like you are either making things up or you've been conned.'
Resolution 377(A) (1950) - “Uniting for Peace,” - “resolves that
if the Security Council…fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of
international peace and security in any case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately with a view to making appropriate recommendation to Members for
collective measures,..."
They'll need lawyers for this, to argue that Serbia is interfering with Kosova's rights as an independent state (or something - I'd leave that bit up to the lawyers) and then that the "appropriate recommendations" include seating Kosova as a full member of the UN. This can't be blocked by the Security Council.
Guys, statehood is granted at the UN and not the IMF. The UN has already rejected independence and that is irreversibly blocked. Everything else is just a con.
(Zoran, 30 May 2009 19:57)
Kosova was never put in for a vote in UN General Assembly, but when it does you can rest assured that the pro vote will be over 2/3 majority.
Zoran you are intentionally confusing matters here. The security council doesn't make states independent or not by allowing them to the UN. There have been examples when states haven't been UN members and considered independent by the world community. I believe, and I may be mistaken, that Serbia itself was kicked out of the UN during the wars in the 90's, for some periods of time. Also Switzerland was not a member either.
The procedure some poster here are referring to, deals with how North and South Korea became UN members. They both are members even though you had plenty of UNSC Veto holding countries didn't want either one or the other to be members. They got through by a 2/3 majority vote. This is why your little Vuk is worried about who recognizes us or not. It exists and its doable even if Russia doesn't like it. As for China don't be so sure. They have a tradition of abstaining. Also keep in mind that is was Albania who proposed them to enter the WTO and 30 years ago the Chinese were using our flag on their ships when they were banned from doing trade. We have done them some favors, an abstaining vote is reachable. The US can be instrumental here too. Anyways point is the procedure and precedent already exist to become a UN member through 2/3 majority.
"Guys, it's not up to the UN general assembly to determine independence but the security council. It only takes one of 5 to object but we have 2 - being Russia and China. It's game over folks."
There is an emergency procedure that sidesteps UN SEC, but over the next years Serbia will have to make a choice, then no one will have any objections.
--I repeat, the IMF does not determine independence. It is a US club so if Kosovo was referred to as a republic then it's not surprising really. That's why Serbia would have opposed it.
IMF is a UN agency that accepts independent states http://www.scottishlaw.org.uk/scotlaw/internationalorgs.html
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