"Russia still seeking Kosovo solution"

Poor Demi, you fail to realize there is a thing called international law that was breached with the instituitions you hold in high regard to and the pupeteers that support it. In the end, the law will prevail in whichever direction, but the law must be upheld.

Yeeh you and Serbia is like father and daughter together. It's just sad that you cannot do so much when it comes to Kosovo because Kosovo has find a solution for it's self. 60 countrys has reconized and there is alote to come. US will not want to change this solution that has been made and they have ensured us albanians that they wont.

Russia is so alone and has no real friend but Serbia and some other poor countrys like Kirgistan and Kazakhstan.

Russia rejoined the Contact Group. They left it after 2/18/2008, expect a conclusion soon. Serbia's hope of dividing Kosova went down the drain after Biden so

Russia is a big and powerful country of course, with a rich history and culture and a great contribution to the human heritage that can not be denied. And most Russian people are genuinely good people that hope and strive of what most other humans do.

I hope that Russia charts her path to greatness not via harboring petty imperial ambitions, but rather by persuing and championing values that are common and cherished by all humankind, values of freedom, liberty and human rights and dignity. That is the only way it can find its place among the minds and hearts of millions worldwide, and the only way to make a positive and progressive impact in the modern world.

As regards to the issues of the Kosovar independence, most russian commenters here, unfortunately choose the pan-slavic and orthodox soidarity over more universal values. Please try to at least see and understand why Albanians think and feel the way they do towards Russia, given the history of Russia's involvment in the Balkans. But there are also positive examples you can follow: read of what Leo Trotsky wrote in the wake of the Balkan wars:
http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts20_1/AH1912_2.html

The fact that Russia is still seeking a solution to the Kosovar-Serbian relationship, is not a bad thing per se. But for as long as it gives precedence to the will of the previous overlords over the will of the native population, its contribution will remain marginal and self-serving at best.

He should mind his own country. It will soon fall apart.. LOL like anyone really asked him or Russia their opinion..


What di the West say to Russia regarding Kosovo


SLAP in the face

The struggle has just begun.

http://www.novosti.rs/code/navigate.php?Id=1&status=jedna&vest=146355

Kosovo is Serbia.

It is fantastic to have Russia on your side! Thanks to Putin and Medvedev! Not to mention they are a HUGE energy supplier to all of Europe!

The law is worthless unless it can be enforced. What's the point of making laws which people are not going to obey and they won't be forced to?

You can come up with ten solutions but unless you get people to accept them they are worthless too.

Regardless of what some here might thing that Russia has no friends, Russia and China are the next super power and they are both on Serbia's side.
Soon enough we will be able to have the law enforced.

Too, too late good sir. Please return to your new job: being a columnist for a magazine. That suits your better than being an ex-KGB officer's (Putin) puppett.

Demi

“Russia is so alone and has no real friend but Serbia”

It’s a rather silly statement cause there are a lot of peoples which consider Russia as the closest ally of their states. They are Ukraine , Belorussia, Serbia, Montenegro ,Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kirgizstan, Armenia , China, India , South Africa, Viet Nam , Syria , Cuba, Venezuela, Mongolia , Chile , Peru , Nicaragua , Turkmenistan , Iran , Abkhazia , South Ossetia ect.

About 50 Presidents and PMs can freely speak Russian cause they were either born in the USSR or graduated from our Universities. Most of them are our agents of influence . If only you could look around you would find out that Russia is alone only in one thing - we alone can put an end to devil you pray.

Don’t forget that you have the recognition of only 30% of states most of which can merely be found on the map. Neither do they really know where Kosovo is and what it is. I guess they were just told something like that : “Trust me there is such a state in Europe and you must recognize them “ And it also means that you road to the Islamic world is closed until you are sticking the devil.

Malicious posts of some Albanians show how shaky and unstable their position is!

As for Ossetia, the approach is the following:

Kosovo=Chechnya
S.Ossetia=Srpska Krajna

Abkhazian/S.O. and Kosovo cases juristically have nothing in common. That's why Russia wasn't affraid to push through Serbian interests in the International court.

As for the rest misinformation.... How many times do Russians have to repeat that Russia WILL NOT let Kosovo be legally recognized! Just two days ago they repeated it again.
I have a funny article (I used on-line translator, but what I understood - the first paragraph - was funny)

http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Politika/Lavrov-Ne-moze-Tachi-da-tumachi-politiku-Rusije.sr.html

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
Thats the countdown till US has not choice but to get down on its knees to Russia. Russia owns US and EU. Without Russia they would freeze to death. As far as its known globally Kosovo is a province of Serbia. Res 1244. THE END. Look at an atlas.

“We plan to continue coordinating our foreign policy approaches, including the search for a just solution for the Kosovo question, based on international law,”

Keep searching Medvedev. If you find something try to apply it in S.Osetia & Abkhazia.Once again for all the Serb camp refering to the international law. What international law did Russia respect in regard to S.Osetia & Abkhazia?Be careful Putin already offered Kosovo recognition for the scraping of missile defense plans. He is testing the waters.

It sounds like Medvedev has been reading the Serbian-language comments since the Biden visit, especially the ones after the US announcement about accepting Serbia's cooperation with Hague as being satisfactory. There's an entirely new mood - people are writing about forgetting Kosovo, it's long gone, anyway, why not trade Kosovo (and entry into Nato) for just the White Sengen, much less EU membership ...

Serbia is a democracy - if the voters decide they want the EU, even in exchange for Kosovo, there will be major changes in government policy. No wonder Russia is reinserting itself into the picture.

But there are also positive examples you can follow: read of what Leo Trotsky wrote in the wake of the Balkan wars:

(Adrian Gashi, 29 May 2009 16:30)

Adrian, I did read it but if you could find the original in Russian that would be better.

Otherwise, I am suspicious, Leo Trotsky did report Serbs ate "Halal" pigs belonging to Albanian moslems:

"Every day, the soldiers slaughtered oxen, sheep, pigs and chickens, eating what they could and throwing the remainder away. ‘We don’t need any meat at all,’ said a supplies officer, ‘what we need is bread. We have written to Belgrade hundreds of times, telling them not to send us any more meat, but they don’t react.’"

Fine, I know, there is Catholic and Orthodox Albanian minority - but not in the area and not en masse.

I did not see a single "halal" or "kosher" pig yet. As a Jew, Trotsky was 100% qualified to judge the pigs being proper for eating by Albanians or not. So I have my "little" doubt about the whole report.

“We plan to continue coordinating our foreign policy approaches, including the search for a just solution for the Kosovo question, based on international law".

Big misuse of "international law". In the name of "international law" Russia has annexed Osetia and Abkhazia. "International law" equal Russia-Serbia law/interest.

Little Russia

I can add to your argumentation the following :

1.It has already been proved in Hague and other international institutions that unlike South of Ossetia in Kosovo there were no massive massacre of the local Albanian civilians.

2.Unlike the Albanians most whom have settled in Kosovo rather recently those lands of Abkhazia and South Ossetia has been occupied by the two peoples during the last 2500 years !

3.The newcomer Georgians and Albanians tried ( more or less successful ) to seize the lands that had never belonged to them. In both cases the intruders used military force and were backed by the same overseas power.

P.S. Заглядывай сюда почаще - надо поддержать наших ! А то здесь на них со всех сторон всякая шушера гавкает.

Hehe. Really funny things to listen from pres.Medvedev!!!
Few years before they were able to keep every Russian interest by force even in Kosova they attempted to do so (remember June 1999). Later on Russia had a "small war" with Georgia. Which is the lesson to KGB's politician? Something that US capitalism did not tell them was "Stock Exchange".

Gazprom took leadership of wealthiest company in the world until Russia started the offensive on Georgia.

KGB and UDB guys contemporary world is build through respecting INTERNATIONAL LAWS. Remember here not the laws of slobodan milosevic, Arkan, Kostunica, Putin, Cubrilovic etc.

Let KGB's solve their internal problems, let us build our country, which is largest world minority respecter.

Medvedev just like Russia's Moscow solutions in Georgia. Serbs you better look for a more honest and better broker then Russia. Russia will want to play this status quo as long as they can to hide their hypocrisies and divert attention from their wrongdoings at yours expense.

"Kosovo=Chechnya

You cannot do that to the Serbs.How dare you call Kosovo a republic.
(Mark, 29 May 2009 21:11)"

Mark, Russian approach to Kosovo/Chechnya is similar in the question of preserving state sovereignty, not in copying everything, including status etc.
All conflicts are unique and Chechnya has never been a heart of Russia.. But both Chechnya and Kosovo are western-sponsored and planned projects to dismember Russia and Serbia. Weaponry used in Chechen attack on Dagestan was provided by the USA, as KLA was sponsored by USA. Basaev sent his Chechen mercenaries to fight on the side of KLA. At the same time, 800 Russian volunteers fought for Serbs against KLA in Kosovo.
We and Serbs are not only brothers, we also have similar destiny!

As for S.Ossetia, there was a European report that Georgians attacked and shelled sleeping town.

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Ataman - to understand the whole article.
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About Trotsky.. Why do you spend so much time, discussing that guy? He wanted to use Russia itself as a firing pad for the world revolution. Least of all he cared about Russians themselves, he was a Hebrew himself and said that "Russia is a big shop, which we HAVE" - hence, I don't understand in which way his words are related to Russian traditional relations with Serbs. Moreover, there are evidence that he worked for British intelligence service and, to my point of view, he was too publicized in Britain (Maybe that's why British lefties like him so much)

'It is also a mere two days between #103 and #127, not enough even today to make a round-trip to Skopje from Belgrade.'

No. 103? No. 355 (Dec. 23) wasn't a first-person account: "Вот что почти дословно - я записывал под диктовку - рассказал мне один из моих сербских друзей."

If you objected to anything, I figured it would be because he was only recounting somebody else's experiences. Interesting that it was a Serb who told him about the atrocities, though.
(Amer, 30 May 2009 01:10)

Indeed, I simply did not pay attention to the first part which was pretty important. Looking at that report again we can see, the witness was pretty much a "chicken" (like probably many of us would be in that situation). The "kosher/halal pigs" can be explained by lack of knowledge about Albanians and being emotionally unstable. But that also means the same witness is not very reliable.

This is not to deny the horrors of the war, but please look at THAT report with some sceptic. A much better one is #104 of the same collection:

http://www.komintern-online.com/trotm104.htm

There are of course acts described of what I consider in 2009 to be a war crime, but nothing of what wasn't usual in 1912.

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As for the беспощадны bit – most people are when they are defending their homes and families.
(Amer, 30 May 2009 01:10)

Not a "bit", but "quite a bit". And as you see, they waged a tribal-style war

"Албанцы, говорят, очень храбры. Пожалуй, и так, только эта храбрость совсем особенная, непригодная для нынешних войн. Они бросаются в стремительную атаку, не отдавая себе полного отчета в последствиях, сокрушают все, что могут сокрушить, беспощадны в натиске и в истреблении побежденных. Но в случае неудачи легко теряются и, раз отбитые, уже не собираются для нового наступления. Их бегство принимает такой же стремительный и безотчетный характер, как и наступление. Это не армия, а вооруженные роды, племена. Старики с могучими седыми бородами и рядом - мальчики 17 - 18 лет"

But isn't this

"беспощадны в натиске и в истреблении побежденных"

considered essentially a war crime in 2009?

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BTW: the entire report under #104 is interesting because it's more about Kosovo area. But how really we should trust the "komintern-online" is a question. For instance, they provide completely wrong information about Gracanica:

"Грачаница - монастырь на Коссовом поле, построенный на том месте, где был погребен убитый турками в битве 1389 г. сербский князь Лазарь."

Who does write this nonsense (Gracanica was built by Milutin more than 50 years BEFORE Kosovo battle and it is situated not in the town of Obilic) can write even bigger stupidities...

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So if you believe everything Trotsky writes...'
I avoid most of it like the plague – I only looked up this because you asked to see it in Russian.
(Amer, 30 May 2009 01:10)

For this I can only agree. You did the right thing providing me with the source and thanks for that. But we have to note: the Albanian sources did translate to English from the entire Trotsky-collection of course what they do like only. #104 wasn't translated because it paints Serbs far more realistically.

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If was the Albanians' misfortune that they didn't have a Kosciusko or Lafayette to teach them discipline and tactics.
(Amer, 30 May 2009 01:10)

In general, like Albanian real warfare was in 1912, so (to Serbia's fortune) is their propaganda-warfare in 2009. True, it was successful for a short period of time - but the time is not on the Albanian side.

Besides, it's energy completely wasted. What will you earn in the very "best" case will be your next curse.

Russia and Serbia oppose the US and Kosovo's Albanian government. That we've known for a long time. I repeat myself for probably the 100th time in the past two months; this situation will not be solved until there is unbiased negotiation. It seems like everyone except Kosovo's government wants that. I don't understand, that's what civilized people do. Once we have negotiations, and the Kosovo is partitioned in a fair fashion, there will be peace and stability and recognitions and everyone will be happy. Until then, there will only be half truths and nervous laughter.

Don’t forget that you have the recognition of only 30% of states most of which can merely be found on the map. (Hand of Moscow, 29 May 2009 20:07)

If you cannot find in the map where the 22 EU countries that have recognized Kosovo,or if you cannot find the G8 countries i suggest you get a biger map or check your eyes.Try if you can find Nicaragua in the map.It is the only country that has recognized S.Osetia & Abkhazia.

To reply # 15

Kosovo=Chechnya

You cannot do that to the Serbs.How dare you call Kosovo a republic.

Ataman, here's the Russian original of Trotsky's article:

http://www.komintern-online.com/trotm127.htm

I have a funny article (I used on-line translator, but what I understood - the first paragraph - was funny)

[link]
(Little Russia, 29 May 2009 19:55)

Yep, they write about Thaci "Што је баби мило, то јој се и снило" - LOL - but why on Earth do you need an on-line translator for that to understand? :-/

Wasn't it Russia who offered to the US Kosovo's recognition in exchange for Missile Defense System?

I strongly recommend to Serbia right now to make a trade-off to recognize Kosovo for entering the EU.

crystal-clear and strong support from mother Russia : no local treaties with vasals anymore, a follow-up document for all of europes borders and the future borders on balkans and post-soviet space.

or the kosovo-precedent will have not just the nato-adjustment of georgias borders as follower...

this and lavrovs statement ("imagine what could have happend with georgia already in NATO and us - of course - reacting in the same way we did") set the music, when eusa will dance to it is irrelevant, cause the timefactor is damaging their interests and position...

'It is also a mere two days between #103 and #127, not enough even today to make a round-trip to Skopje from Belgrade.'

No. 103? No. 355 (Dec. 23) wasn't a first-person account: "Вот что почти дословно - я записывал под диктовку - рассказал мне один из моих сербских друзей."

If you objected to anything, I figured it would be because he was only recounting somebody else's experiences. Interesting that it was a Serb who told him about the atrocities, though.

'So if you believe everything Trotsky writes...'
I avoid most of it like the plague – I only looked up this because you asked to see it in Russian.

As for the беспощадны bit – most people are when they are defending their homes and families. If was the Albanians' misfortune that they didn't have a Kosciusko or Lafayette to teach them discipline and tactics.

Ataman, here's the Russian original of Trotsky's article:

[link]
(Amer, 29 May 2009 22:11)


Thanks, hope you did read this report, too:

http://www.komintern-online.com/trotm103.htm

"Черногорцы храбры, способны к бурному натиску и беспощадны. Этими качествами они приближаются к албанцам. Но, подобно этим последним, черногорцы совершенно не способны к планомерным действиям, лишены выдержки и легко теряются при неудачах"

Looks, like a contradiction to his at #127. But indeed, he does write about pigs in #127. These Albanian pigs stolen and eaten by Serbs should be probably called in Hungarian "kosertés". (Kosher pigs). LOL.

It is also a mere two days between #103 and #127, not enough even today to make a round-trip to Skopje from Belgrade.

So if you believe everything Trotsky writes... than look again at #103 and at the word "беспощадны". Also notice how he writes: "Этими качествами они приближаются к албанцам", in other words, Montenegrins are "ruthless" and "with that, nearing" (i.e. not reaching) Albanians.

The word (Still) it is very promising, ha ha!

(Lenard, 29 May 2009 17:44) wrongdoings?

What wrongdoings "hypocrisies" Dictionary Meaning "the condition of a person pretending to be something he is not, especially in the area of morals or religion; a false presentation of belief or feeling"

I Think you have the USA and Russia mixed up

Remember the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, USA Lies to gain free oil and make money from the war machine.

Remember South Ossetia, USA lies to gain land near Russia for US Missile Defense System.

Remember Republic of Poland and the Czech Republic , USA lies to gain land near Russia for US Missile Defense System.

Remember camp Bond Steal,USA lies to gain land near Russia for US Missile Defense System and not to mention Coal oil and Dick Cheney little Mining project with Halliburton Oil subsidiary Brown & Root Services

Why dose the US need so many Missile Defense System who are they planing to attack?

Remember Afghanistan, USA Lies to gain free oil and make money from the war machine, fight Al-qaeda but support the extended Al-qaeda family in Kosovo (KLA).

I can see a pattern.

Remember Kosovo's 100+ Churches and Monastery distorted by Al-qaeda supporters.

Remember Kosovo is Christan Land.

Albanians are nieve to think the US is a Friend, the US only look after 1 Country the US. You may think it's help now but who is going to pay the bill when it's all over?

Yeeh you and Serbia is like father and daughter together. It's just sad that you cannot do so much when it comes to Kosovo because Kosovo has find a solution for it's self. 60 countrys has reconized and there is alote to come. US will not want to change this solution that has been made and they have ensured us albanians that they wont.

Russia is so alone and has no real friend but Serbia and some other poor countrys like Kirgistan and Kazakhstan.

Russia rejoined the Contact Group. They left it after 2/18/2008, expect a conclusion soon. Serbia's hope of dividing Kosova went down the drain after Biden so

He should mind his own country. It will soon fall apart.. LOL like anyone really asked him or Russia their opinion..


What di the West say to Russia regarding Kosovo


SLAP in the face

The struggle has just begun.

http://www.novosti.rs/code/navigate.php?Id=1&status=jedna&vest=146355

Kosovo is Serbia.

It is fantastic to have Russia on your side! Thanks to Putin and Medvedev! Not to mention they are a HUGE energy supplier to all of Europe!

Russia is a big and powerful country of course, with a rich history and culture and a great contribution to the human heritage that can not be denied. And most Russian people are genuinely good people that hope and strive of what most other humans do.

I hope that Russia charts her path to greatness not via harboring petty imperial ambitions, but rather by persuing and championing values that are common and cherished by all humankind, values of freedom, liberty and human rights and dignity. That is the only way it can find its place among the minds and hearts of millions worldwide, and the only way to make a positive and progressive impact in the modern world.

As regards to the issues of the Kosovar independence, most russian commenters here, unfortunately choose the pan-slavic and orthodox soidarity over more universal values. Please try to at least see and understand why Albanians think and feel the way they do towards Russia, given the history of Russia's involvment in the Balkans. But there are also positive examples you can follow: read of what Leo Trotsky wrote in the wake of the Balkan wars:
http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts20_1/AH1912_2.html

The fact that Russia is still seeking a solution to the Kosovar-Serbian relationship, is not a bad thing per se. But for as long as it gives precedence to the will of the previous overlords over the will of the native population, its contribution will remain marginal and self-serving at best.

Too, too late good sir. Please return to your new job: being a columnist for a magazine. That suits your better than being an ex-KGB officer's (Putin) puppett.

Poor Demi, you fail to realize there is a thing called international law that was breached with the instituitions you hold in high regard to and the pupeteers that support it. In the end, the law will prevail in whichever direction, but the law must be upheld.

“We plan to continue coordinating our foreign policy approaches, including the search for a just solution for the Kosovo question, based on international law,”

Keep searching Medvedev. If you find something try to apply it in S.Osetia & Abkhazia.Once again for all the Serb camp refering to the international law. What international law did Russia respect in regard to S.Osetia & Abkhazia?Be careful Putin already offered Kosovo recognition for the scraping of missile defense plans. He is testing the waters.

Medvedev just like Russia's Moscow solutions in Georgia. Serbs you better look for a more honest and better broker then Russia. Russia will want to play this status quo as long as they can to hide their hypocrisies and divert attention from their wrongdoings at yours expense.

The law is worthless unless it can be enforced. What's the point of making laws which people are not going to obey and they won't be forced to?

You can come up with ten solutions but unless you get people to accept them they are worthless too.

Regardless of what some here might thing that Russia has no friends, Russia and China are the next super power and they are both on Serbia's side.
Soon enough we will be able to have the law enforced.

Hehe. Really funny things to listen from pres.Medvedev!!!
Few years before they were able to keep every Russian interest by force even in Kosova they attempted to do so (remember June 1999). Later on Russia had a "small war" with Georgia. Which is the lesson to KGB's politician? Something that US capitalism did not tell them was "Stock Exchange".

Gazprom took leadership of wealthiest company in the world until Russia started the offensive on Georgia.

KGB and UDB guys contemporary world is build through respecting INTERNATIONAL LAWS. Remember here not the laws of slobodan milosevic, Arkan, Kostunica, Putin, Cubrilovic etc.

Let KGB's solve their internal problems, let us build our country, which is largest world minority respecter.

It sounds like Medvedev has been reading the Serbian-language comments since the Biden visit, especially the ones after the US announcement about accepting Serbia's cooperation with Hague as being satisfactory. There's an entirely new mood - people are writing about forgetting Kosovo, it's long gone, anyway, why not trade Kosovo (and entry into Nato) for just the White Sengen, much less EU membership ...

Serbia is a democracy - if the voters decide they want the EU, even in exchange for Kosovo, there will be major changes in government policy. No wonder Russia is reinserting itself into the picture.

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
Thats the countdown till US has not choice but to get down on its knees to Russia. Russia owns US and EU. Without Russia they would freeze to death. As far as its known globally Kosovo is a province of Serbia. Res 1244. THE END. Look at an atlas.

“We plan to continue coordinating our foreign policy approaches, including the search for a just solution for the Kosovo question, based on international law".

Big misuse of "international law". In the name of "international law" Russia has annexed Osetia and Abkhazia. "International law" equal Russia-Serbia law/interest.

Demi

“Russia is so alone and has no real friend but Serbia”

It’s a rather silly statement cause there are a lot of peoples which consider Russia as the closest ally of their states. They are Ukraine , Belorussia, Serbia, Montenegro ,Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kirgizstan, Armenia , China, India , South Africa, Viet Nam , Syria , Cuba, Venezuela, Mongolia , Chile , Peru , Nicaragua , Turkmenistan , Iran , Abkhazia , South Ossetia ect.

About 50 Presidents and PMs can freely speak Russian cause they were either born in the USSR or graduated from our Universities. Most of them are our agents of influence . If only you could look around you would find out that Russia is alone only in one thing - we alone can put an end to devil you pray.

Don’t forget that you have the recognition of only 30% of states most of which can merely be found on the map. Neither do they really know where Kosovo is and what it is. I guess they were just told something like that : “Trust me there is such a state in Europe and you must recognize them “ And it also means that you road to the Islamic world is closed until you are sticking the devil.

Little Russia

I can add to your argumentation the following :

1.It has already been proved in Hague and other international institutions that unlike South of Ossetia in Kosovo there were no massive massacre of the local Albanian civilians.

2.Unlike the Albanians most whom have settled in Kosovo rather recently those lands of Abkhazia and South Ossetia has been occupied by the two peoples during the last 2500 years !

3.The newcomer Georgians and Albanians tried ( more or less successful ) to seize the lands that had never belonged to them. In both cases the intruders used military force and were backed by the same overseas power.

P.S. Заглядывай сюда почаще - надо поддержать наших ! А то здесь на них со всех сторон всякая шушера гавкает.

Malicious posts of some Albanians show how shaky and unstable their position is!

As for Ossetia, the approach is the following:

Kosovo=Chechnya
S.Ossetia=Srpska Krajna

Abkhazian/S.O. and Kosovo cases juristically have nothing in common. That's why Russia wasn't affraid to push through Serbian interests in the International court.

As for the rest misinformation.... How many times do Russians have to repeat that Russia WILL NOT let Kosovo be legally recognized! Just two days ago they repeated it again.
I have a funny article (I used on-line translator, but what I understood - the first paragraph - was funny)

http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Politika/Lavrov-Ne-moze-Tachi-da-tumachi-politiku-Rusije.sr.html

Don’t forget that you have the recognition of only 30% of states most of which can merely be found on the map. (Hand of Moscow, 29 May 2009 20:07)

If you cannot find in the map where the 22 EU countries that have recognized Kosovo,or if you cannot find the G8 countries i suggest you get a biger map or check your eyes.Try if you can find Nicaragua in the map.It is the only country that has recognized S.Osetia & Abkhazia.

To reply # 15

Kosovo=Chechnya

You cannot do that to the Serbs.How dare you call Kosovo a republic.

Wasn't it Russia who offered to the US Kosovo's recognition in exchange for Missile Defense System?

I strongly recommend to Serbia right now to make a trade-off to recognize Kosovo for entering the EU.

Ataman, here's the Russian original of Trotsky's article:

[link]
(Amer, 29 May 2009 22:11)


Thanks, hope you did read this report, too:

http://www.komintern-online.com/trotm103.htm

"Черногорцы храбры, способны к бурному натиску и беспощадны. Этими качествами они приближаются к албанцам. Но, подобно этим последним, черногорцы совершенно не способны к планомерным действиям, лишены выдержки и легко теряются при неудачах"

Looks, like a contradiction to his at #127. But indeed, he does write about pigs in #127. These Albanian pigs stolen and eaten by Serbs should be probably called in Hungarian "kosertés". (Kosher pigs). LOL.

It is also a mere two days between #103 and #127, not enough even today to make a round-trip to Skopje from Belgrade.

So if you believe everything Trotsky writes... than look again at #103 and at the word "беспощадны". Also notice how he writes: "Этими качествами они приближаются к албанцам", in other words, Montenegrins are "ruthless" and "with that, nearing" (i.e. not reaching) Albanians.

But there are also positive examples you can follow: read of what Leo Trotsky wrote in the wake of the Balkan wars:

(Adrian Gashi, 29 May 2009 16:30)

Adrian, I did read it but if you could find the original in Russian that would be better.

Otherwise, I am suspicious, Leo Trotsky did report Serbs ate "Halal" pigs belonging to Albanian moslems:

"Every day, the soldiers slaughtered oxen, sheep, pigs and chickens, eating what they could and throwing the remainder away. ‘We don’t need any meat at all,’ said a supplies officer, ‘what we need is bread. We have written to Belgrade hundreds of times, telling them not to send us any more meat, but they don’t react.’"

Fine, I know, there is Catholic and Orthodox Albanian minority - but not in the area and not en masse.

I did not see a single "halal" or "kosher" pig yet. As a Jew, Trotsky was 100% qualified to judge the pigs being proper for eating by Albanians or not. So I have my "little" doubt about the whole report.

I have a funny article (I used on-line translator, but what I understood - the first paragraph - was funny)

[link]
(Little Russia, 29 May 2009 19:55)

Yep, they write about Thaci "Што је баби мило, то јој се и снило" - LOL - but why on Earth do you need an on-line translator for that to understand? :-/

'It is also a mere two days between #103 and #127, not enough even today to make a round-trip to Skopje from Belgrade.'

No. 103? No. 355 (Dec. 23) wasn't a first-person account: "Вот что почти дословно - я записывал под диктовку - рассказал мне один из моих сербских друзей."

If you objected to anything, I figured it would be because he was only recounting somebody else's experiences. Interesting that it was a Serb who told him about the atrocities, though.

'So if you believe everything Trotsky writes...'
I avoid most of it like the plague – I only looked up this because you asked to see it in Russian.

As for the беспощадны bit – most people are when they are defending their homes and families. If was the Albanians' misfortune that they didn't have a Kosciusko or Lafayette to teach them discipline and tactics.

"Kosovo=Chechnya

You cannot do that to the Serbs.How dare you call Kosovo a republic.
(Mark, 29 May 2009 21:11)"

Mark, Russian approach to Kosovo/Chechnya is similar in the question of preserving state sovereignty, not in copying everything, including status etc.
All conflicts are unique and Chechnya has never been a heart of Russia.. But both Chechnya and Kosovo are western-sponsored and planned projects to dismember Russia and Serbia. Weaponry used in Chechen attack on Dagestan was provided by the USA, as KLA was sponsored by USA. Basaev sent his Chechen mercenaries to fight on the side of KLA. At the same time, 800 Russian volunteers fought for Serbs against KLA in Kosovo.
We and Serbs are not only brothers, we also have similar destiny!

As for S.Ossetia, there was a European report that Georgians attacked and shelled sleeping town.

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Ataman - to understand the whole article.
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About Trotsky.. Why do you spend so much time, discussing that guy? He wanted to use Russia itself as a firing pad for the world revolution. Least of all he cared about Russians themselves, he was a Hebrew himself and said that "Russia is a big shop, which we HAVE" - hence, I don't understand in which way his words are related to Russian traditional relations with Serbs. Moreover, there are evidence that he worked for British intelligence service and, to my point of view, he was too publicized in Britain (Maybe that's why British lefties like him so much)

Russia and Serbia oppose the US and Kosovo's Albanian government. That we've known for a long time. I repeat myself for probably the 100th time in the past two months; this situation will not be solved until there is unbiased negotiation. It seems like everyone except Kosovo's government wants that. I don't understand, that's what civilized people do. Once we have negotiations, and the Kosovo is partitioned in a fair fashion, there will be peace and stability and recognitions and everyone will be happy. Until then, there will only be half truths and nervous laughter.

crystal-clear and strong support from mother Russia : no local treaties with vasals anymore, a follow-up document for all of europes borders and the future borders on balkans and post-soviet space.

or the kosovo-precedent will have not just the nato-adjustment of georgias borders as follower...

this and lavrovs statement ("imagine what could have happend with georgia already in NATO and us - of course - reacting in the same way we did") set the music, when eusa will dance to it is irrelevant, cause the timefactor is damaging their interests and position...

Ataman, here's the Russian original of Trotsky's article:

http://www.komintern-online.com/trotm127.htm

'It is also a mere two days between #103 and #127, not enough even today to make a round-trip to Skopje from Belgrade.'

No. 103? No. 355 (Dec. 23) wasn't a first-person account: "Вот что почти дословно - я записывал под диктовку - рассказал мне один из моих сербских друзей."

If you objected to anything, I figured it would be because he was only recounting somebody else's experiences. Interesting that it was a Serb who told him about the atrocities, though.
(Amer, 30 May 2009 01:10)

Indeed, I simply did not pay attention to the first part which was pretty important. Looking at that report again we can see, the witness was pretty much a "chicken" (like probably many of us would be in that situation). The "kosher/halal pigs" can be explained by lack of knowledge about Albanians and being emotionally unstable. But that also means the same witness is not very reliable.

This is not to deny the horrors of the war, but please look at THAT report with some sceptic. A much better one is #104 of the same collection:

http://www.komintern-online.com/trotm104.htm

There are of course acts described of what I consider in 2009 to be a war crime, but nothing of what wasn't usual in 1912.

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As for the беспощадны bit – most people are when they are defending their homes and families.
(Amer, 30 May 2009 01:10)

Not a "bit", but "quite a bit". And as you see, they waged a tribal-style war

"Албанцы, говорят, очень храбры. Пожалуй, и так, только эта храбрость совсем особенная, непригодная для нынешних войн. Они бросаются в стремительную атаку, не отдавая себе полного отчета в последствиях, сокрушают все, что могут сокрушить, беспощадны в натиске и в истреблении побежденных. Но в случае неудачи легко теряются и, раз отбитые, уже не собираются для нового наступления. Их бегство принимает такой же стремительный и безотчетный характер, как и наступление. Это не армия, а вооруженные роды, племена. Старики с могучими седыми бородами и рядом - мальчики 17 - 18 лет"

But isn't this

"беспощадны в натиске и в истреблении побежденных"

considered essentially a war crime in 2009?

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BTW: the entire report under #104 is interesting because it's more about Kosovo area. But how really we should trust the "komintern-online" is a question. For instance, they provide completely wrong information about Gracanica:

"Грачаница - монастырь на Коссовом поле, построенный на том месте, где был погребен убитый турками в битве 1389 г. сербский князь Лазарь."

Who does write this nonsense (Gracanica was built by Milutin more than 50 years BEFORE Kosovo battle and it is situated not in the town of Obilic) can write even bigger stupidities...

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So if you believe everything Trotsky writes...'
I avoid most of it like the plague – I only looked up this because you asked to see it in Russian.
(Amer, 30 May 2009 01:10)

For this I can only agree. You did the right thing providing me with the source and thanks for that. But we have to note: the Albanian sources did translate to English from the entire Trotsky-collection of course what they do like only. #104 wasn't translated because it paints Serbs far more realistically.

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If was the Albanians' misfortune that they didn't have a Kosciusko or Lafayette to teach them discipline and tactics.
(Amer, 30 May 2009 01:10)

In general, like Albanian real warfare was in 1912, so (to Serbia's fortune) is their propaganda-warfare in 2009. True, it was successful for a short period of time - but the time is not on the Albanian side.

Besides, it's energy completely wasted. What will you earn in the very "best" case will be your next curse.

The word (Still) it is very promising, ha ha!

(Lenard, 29 May 2009 17:44) wrongdoings?

What wrongdoings "hypocrisies" Dictionary Meaning "the condition of a person pretending to be something he is not, especially in the area of morals or religion; a false presentation of belief or feeling"

I Think you have the USA and Russia mixed up

Remember the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, USA Lies to gain free oil and make money from the war machine.

Remember South Ossetia, USA lies to gain land near Russia for US Missile Defense System.

Remember Republic of Poland and the Czech Republic , USA lies to gain land near Russia for US Missile Defense System.

Remember camp Bond Steal,USA lies to gain land near Russia for US Missile Defense System and not to mention Coal oil and Dick Cheney little Mining project with Halliburton Oil subsidiary Brown & Root Services

Why dose the US need so many Missile Defense System who are they planing to attack?

Remember Afghanistan, USA Lies to gain free oil and make money from the war machine, fight Al-qaeda but support the extended Al-qaeda family in Kosovo (KLA).

I can see a pattern.

Remember Kosovo's 100+ Churches and Monastery distorted by Al-qaeda supporters.

Remember Kosovo is Christan Land.

Albanians are nieve to think the US is a Friend, the US only look after 1 Country the US. You may think it's help now but who is going to pay the bill when it's all over?