French and Serbian Presidents Nicolas Sarkozy and Boris Tadić agreed in Paris yesterday that there must be no new conditions for Serbia's EU integration.
At the end of the day Kosovo is not a state. The leadership of this entity are not being invited to France or any other European country as heads of state so case closed.
How important or unimportant Serbia is isn't important at all.
Talks between nations and the relationship between nations just depends doesn't depend on how smal big or important that land globably is. If there is an agreement between countries on what they can offer each other, or how to co-operate it's all that's important.
I disagree that Kosovo and Serbia has to be mentioned together, because they are unimportant on their own. It's a strange statement to make. The agreement is with Serbia, wheter you see Kosovo as part of it or not is also a different matter.
How I despise this
"Oh we Serbs and French were allies in WW1-now we are friends for all time to come" attitude.
Do you believe that in Belgrade today still stands a statue(even after the 1999 bombings "in honor of the brotherhood between France and Serbia?"
Let us not fool ourselves,real brotherhood lies only in the common pravoslavic blood that we share with the Russians and other pravoslavic Slavs.
As for our Southern province,the West perfectly knows that their geopolitic standing in the region is deteriorating fast,Romania,Greece and Bulgaria are unreliable "allies",Russians are investing heavily in pipelines and Serbia is openly pro-Russian.
Now they are trying the carrot aproach to Serbia,giving up the idea of lifting "Kosovo" to a real state and trying to keep the Albanians calm at the same time.
The Serbian government must at all costs reaffirm its strategic pact with the Russians,never trust the AngloSaxons and Germans!
I truly respect you for having your own opinion but can you please specify what memories you are referring to and what the reason is for having such huge support for Serbia. Your memories seem to be lacking. Do you remember ca 1 000 000 people were deported and thousands of civilians (not soldiers) were killed (and don’t blame NATO for that), these people did not kill themselves, and what you are sorry about is the way Serbia is being treated (in my opinion Serbia is being treated better than it deserves).
If your memories go back to WW2, then ok Serbia did join the allies (on the same side as France) the reason for that was that Hitler had announced that he wanted to eliminate the Slavic race, to some extent the Albanians shifted on Germanys stand point (my enemies enemy is my friend) but that does not mean that we Albanians liked Hitler, we only saw an opportunity to free our self’s from brutal repression that has been going on for centuries.
Stéphane please read about the reason why the World War 1 started.
Keep on with your opinion, I was just wondering with what part of your brain you were thinking
I have to differ with you Richard Z.
The cooperation between France and Serbia has everything to do with Kosovo, from my point of view Serbia is not important on its own, and I am not saying that Kosovo is important either.
These two become important only when they are put in the same sentence. You have to remember that EUs final goal is to create a European utopia, and that is not possible if EU has a country on its backyard that is on rampage and has attack 4 former Yugoslav states in pursuit of total domination.
The EU is a very slow moving mechanism with a high degree of bureaucracy and is reluctant to further advance its borders, but obviously the EU is ready to make en exception on Balkans, and why do you thing they are doing that. The aim is to change Serbia’s rhetoric towards Kosovo, EU believes that they can do that, I know that they will never succeed with that, the only way that Serbia will change its rhetoric is if they win something by doing so, Serbia is not in a hurry and as long as the EU and US throw roses on them in pursuit of cooperation Serbia will continue its rhetoric. Now US vp Biden has opened the doors of cooperation between the US and Serbia but has also requested a more constructive cooperation towards Kosovo and now France has done the same, the only reason is to create a peaceful Balkan. Now way is Serbia so important, well I’ll tell you, it’s important because it’s the main reason to the problems that Balkan is enduring, where you find problem you find Serbs, and Bosnia is absolutely no exception.
As a French, I only want to say that I strongly support Serbia in its struggle to defend its sovereignty, nothing more, nothing less. We are much more numerous, from any political side, than what is being said in the medias and we are really ashamed with the role plaid by our government. With someone like Mr Kouchner, it's not a surprise.
But I repeat : we, French people, have memory and strongly support Serbia in the Kosovo case.
The co-operation between France and Serbia has nothing to do with Kosovo.
Relations between Serbia and other E.U. countries doesn't depend on Kosovo. Only the E.U. has an organisation is urging the countries that want to join to have good relationships with their neigbours. Ofcourse lots need to be done, but reqononising Kosovo as state isn't one of them.
This visit hasn't been a waste of time, as France is an important country to have good relationships with.
Kosovo in this case wasn't any factor in whatever agreement.
You are going to start buying products from where? Half of albans are living below poverty line in KiM. But hey be my guest, please start buying products from albania because they really make great stuff. You would be really doing us a favour.
So you mean that the French Presidents Mr Nicolas Sarkozy tells Tadic that Serbia needs to cooperate with the Kosovo institutions and then offers Tadic an agreement which will boost Serbia's integration in EU, and Mr Nicolas Sarkozy does all this without any assurances from Tadic about further constructive cooperate with the Kosovo institutions (and finally accepting a independent Kosovo), if I was a Serb I would ask Tadic questions and I wouldn’t believe the answers. Mr Nicolas Sarkozy supports Kosovos UDI to the full extent and he would not undermine its own political position on the matter. Serbia is important to the world as it seems, because they (EU,US) believes that with Serbia in EU they will have more sway on Serbia.
"The French leader said that no-one expected Serbia to recognize Kosovo, implicitly or explicitly, as a condition for EU integration, Tadić told the press"
Wrong, he said we don;t expect it "immediately" but told Tadic to work with Kosova. The bottom line: France has an Ambassador in Kosova and even wrote to ICJ on our behalf. The rest is spin, Tadic trying to claim "diplomatic victories" while in Kosova everyone is integrating and Serbian officials are banned. "Strategic partnership" when France was and is a huge pusher for Kosova?
Unless Tadic removes the blockade soon Kosova will ban all Serbian products. They are giving EU a chance to convince Serbia first.
Then why does Zannier keep saying that Prishtina won't let him do anything? His principal role seems to be to convince the Russians that UN control over Kosovo is a lost cause by demonstrating how little he can actually do.
Then why does Zannier keep saying that Prishtina won't let him do anything? His principal role seems to be to convince the Russians that UN control over Kosovo is a lost cause by demonstrating how little he can actually do.
You are going to start buying products from where? Half of albans are living below poverty line in KiM. But hey be my guest, please start buying products from albania because they really make great stuff. You would be really doing us a favour.
"The French leader said that no-one expected Serbia to recognize Kosovo, implicitly or explicitly, as a condition for EU integration, Tadić told the press"
Wrong, he said we don;t expect it "immediately" but told Tadic to work with Kosova. The bottom line: France has an Ambassador in Kosova and even wrote to ICJ on our behalf. The rest is spin, Tadic trying to claim "diplomatic victories" while in Kosova everyone is integrating and Serbian officials are banned. "Strategic partnership" when France was and is a huge pusher for Kosova?
Unless Tadic removes the blockade soon Kosova will ban all Serbian products. They are giving EU a chance to convince Serbia first.
So you mean that the French Presidents Mr Nicolas Sarkozy tells Tadic that Serbia needs to cooperate with the Kosovo institutions and then offers Tadic an agreement which will boost Serbia's integration in EU, and Mr Nicolas Sarkozy does all this without any assurances from Tadic about further constructive cooperate with the Kosovo institutions (and finally accepting a independent Kosovo), if I was a Serb I would ask Tadic questions and I wouldn’t believe the answers. Mr Nicolas Sarkozy supports Kosovos UDI to the full extent and he would not undermine its own political position on the matter. Serbia is important to the world as it seems, because they (EU,US) believes that with Serbia in EU they will have more sway on Serbia.
The co-operation between France and Serbia has nothing to do with Kosovo.
Relations between Serbia and other E.U. countries doesn't depend on Kosovo. Only the E.U. has an organisation is urging the countries that want to join to have good relationships with their neigbours. Ofcourse lots need to be done, but reqononising Kosovo as state isn't one of them.
This visit hasn't been a waste of time, as France is an important country to have good relationships with.
Kosovo in this case wasn't any factor in whatever agreement.
As a French, I only want to say that I strongly support Serbia in its struggle to defend its sovereignty, nothing more, nothing less. We are much more numerous, from any political side, than what is being said in the medias and we are really ashamed with the role plaid by our government. With someone like Mr Kouchner, it's not a surprise.
But I repeat : we, French people, have memory and strongly support Serbia in the Kosovo case.
How I despise this
"Oh we Serbs and French were allies in WW1-now we are friends for all time to come" attitude.
Do you believe that in Belgrade today still stands a statue(even after the 1999 bombings "in honor of the brotherhood between France and Serbia?"
Let us not fool ourselves,real brotherhood lies only in the common pravoslavic blood that we share with the Russians and other pravoslavic Slavs.
As for our Southern province,the West perfectly knows that their geopolitic standing in the region is deteriorating fast,Romania,Greece and Bulgaria are unreliable "allies",Russians are investing heavily in pipelines and Serbia is openly pro-Russian.
Now they are trying the carrot aproach to Serbia,giving up the idea of lifting "Kosovo" to a real state and trying to keep the Albanians calm at the same time.
The Serbian government must at all costs reaffirm its strategic pact with the Russians,never trust the AngloSaxons and Germans!
How important or unimportant Serbia is isn't important at all.
Talks between nations and the relationship between nations just depends doesn't depend on how smal big or important that land globably is. If there is an agreement between countries on what they can offer each other, or how to co-operate it's all that's important.
I disagree that Kosovo and Serbia has to be mentioned together, because they are unimportant on their own. It's a strange statement to make. The agreement is with Serbia, wheter you see Kosovo as part of it or not is also a different matter.
I truly respect you for having your own opinion but can you please specify what memories you are referring to and what the reason is for having such huge support for Serbia. Your memories seem to be lacking. Do you remember ca 1 000 000 people were deported and thousands of civilians (not soldiers) were killed (and don’t blame NATO for that), these people did not kill themselves, and what you are sorry about is the way Serbia is being treated (in my opinion Serbia is being treated better than it deserves).
If your memories go back to WW2, then ok Serbia did join the allies (on the same side as France) the reason for that was that Hitler had announced that he wanted to eliminate the Slavic race, to some extent the Albanians shifted on Germanys stand point (my enemies enemy is my friend) but that does not mean that we Albanians liked Hitler, we only saw an opportunity to free our self’s from brutal repression that has been going on for centuries.
Stéphane please read about the reason why the World War 1 started.
Keep on with your opinion, I was just wondering with what part of your brain you were thinking
At the end of the day Kosovo is not a state. The leadership of this entity are not being invited to France or any other European country as heads of state so case closed.
I have to differ with you Richard Z.
The cooperation between France and Serbia has everything to do with Kosovo, from my point of view Serbia is not important on its own, and I am not saying that Kosovo is important either.
These two become important only when they are put in the same sentence. You have to remember that EUs final goal is to create a European utopia, and that is not possible if EU has a country on its backyard that is on rampage and has attack 4 former Yugoslav states in pursuit of total domination.
The EU is a very slow moving mechanism with a high degree of bureaucracy and is reluctant to further advance its borders, but obviously the EU is ready to make en exception on Balkans, and why do you thing they are doing that. The aim is to change Serbia’s rhetoric towards Kosovo, EU believes that they can do that, I know that they will never succeed with that, the only way that Serbia will change its rhetoric is if they win something by doing so, Serbia is not in a hurry and as long as the EU and US throw roses on them in pursuit of cooperation Serbia will continue its rhetoric. Now US vp Biden has opened the doors of cooperation between the US and Serbia but has also requested a more constructive cooperation towards Kosovo and now France has done the same, the only reason is to create a peaceful Balkan. Now way is Serbia so important, well I’ll tell you, it’s important because it’s the main reason to the problems that Balkan is enduring, where you find problem you find Serbs, and Bosnia is absolutely no exception.
Then why does Zannier keep saying that Prishtina won't let him do anything? His principal role seems to be to convince the Russians that UN control over Kosovo is a lost cause by demonstrating how little he can actually do.
"The French leader said that no-one expected Serbia to recognize Kosovo, implicitly or explicitly, as a condition for EU integration, Tadić told the press"
Wrong, he said we don;t expect it "immediately" but told Tadic to work with Kosova. The bottom line: France has an Ambassador in Kosova and even wrote to ICJ on our behalf. The rest is spin, Tadic trying to claim "diplomatic victories" while in Kosova everyone is integrating and Serbian officials are banned. "Strategic partnership" when France was and is a huge pusher for Kosova?
Unless Tadic removes the blockade soon Kosova will ban all Serbian products. They are giving EU a chance to convince Serbia first.
You are going to start buying products from where? Half of albans are living below poverty line in KiM. But hey be my guest, please start buying products from albania because they really make great stuff. You would be really doing us a favour.
So you mean that the French Presidents Mr Nicolas Sarkozy tells Tadic that Serbia needs to cooperate with the Kosovo institutions and then offers Tadic an agreement which will boost Serbia's integration in EU, and Mr Nicolas Sarkozy does all this without any assurances from Tadic about further constructive cooperate with the Kosovo institutions (and finally accepting a independent Kosovo), if I was a Serb I would ask Tadic questions and I wouldn’t believe the answers. Mr Nicolas Sarkozy supports Kosovos UDI to the full extent and he would not undermine its own political position on the matter. Serbia is important to the world as it seems, because they (EU,US) believes that with Serbia in EU they will have more sway on Serbia.
I have to differ with you Richard Z.
The cooperation between France and Serbia has everything to do with Kosovo, from my point of view Serbia is not important on its own, and I am not saying that Kosovo is important either.
These two become important only when they are put in the same sentence. You have to remember that EUs final goal is to create a European utopia, and that is not possible if EU has a country on its backyard that is on rampage and has attack 4 former Yugoslav states in pursuit of total domination.
The EU is a very slow moving mechanism with a high degree of bureaucracy and is reluctant to further advance its borders, but obviously the EU is ready to make en exception on Balkans, and why do you thing they are doing that. The aim is to change Serbia’s rhetoric towards Kosovo, EU believes that they can do that, I know that they will never succeed with that, the only way that Serbia will change its rhetoric is if they win something by doing so, Serbia is not in a hurry and as long as the EU and US throw roses on them in pursuit of cooperation Serbia will continue its rhetoric. Now US vp Biden has opened the doors of cooperation between the US and Serbia but has also requested a more constructive cooperation towards Kosovo and now France has done the same, the only reason is to create a peaceful Balkan. Now way is Serbia so important, well I’ll tell you, it’s important because it’s the main reason to the problems that Balkan is enduring, where you find problem you find Serbs, and Bosnia is absolutely no exception.
I truly respect you for having your own opinion but can you please specify what memories you are referring to and what the reason is for having such huge support for Serbia. Your memories seem to be lacking. Do you remember ca 1 000 000 people were deported and thousands of civilians (not soldiers) were killed (and don’t blame NATO for that), these people did not kill themselves, and what you are sorry about is the way Serbia is being treated (in my opinion Serbia is being treated better than it deserves).
If your memories go back to WW2, then ok Serbia did join the allies (on the same side as France) the reason for that was that Hitler had announced that he wanted to eliminate the Slavic race, to some extent the Albanians shifted on Germanys stand point (my enemies enemy is my friend) but that does not mean that we Albanians liked Hitler, we only saw an opportunity to free our self’s from brutal repression that has been going on for centuries.
Stéphane please read about the reason why the World War 1 started.
Keep on with your opinion, I was just wondering with what part of your brain you were thinking
The co-operation between France and Serbia has nothing to do with Kosovo.
Relations between Serbia and other E.U. countries doesn't depend on Kosovo. Only the E.U. has an organisation is urging the countries that want to join to have good relationships with their neigbours. Ofcourse lots need to be done, but reqononising Kosovo as state isn't one of them.
This visit hasn't been a waste of time, as France is an important country to have good relationships with.
Kosovo in this case wasn't any factor in whatever agreement.
How I despise this
"Oh we Serbs and French were allies in WW1-now we are friends for all time to come" attitude.
Do you believe that in Belgrade today still stands a statue(even after the 1999 bombings "in honor of the brotherhood between France and Serbia?"
Let us not fool ourselves,real brotherhood lies only in the common pravoslavic blood that we share with the Russians and other pravoslavic Slavs.
As for our Southern province,the West perfectly knows that their geopolitic standing in the region is deteriorating fast,Romania,Greece and Bulgaria are unreliable "allies",Russians are investing heavily in pipelines and Serbia is openly pro-Russian.
Now they are trying the carrot aproach to Serbia,giving up the idea of lifting "Kosovo" to a real state and trying to keep the Albanians calm at the same time.
The Serbian government must at all costs reaffirm its strategic pact with the Russians,never trust the AngloSaxons and Germans!
As a French, I only want to say that I strongly support Serbia in its struggle to defend its sovereignty, nothing more, nothing less. We are much more numerous, from any political side, than what is being said in the medias and we are really ashamed with the role plaid by our government. With someone like Mr Kouchner, it's not a surprise.
But I repeat : we, French people, have memory and strongly support Serbia in the Kosovo case.
How important or unimportant Serbia is isn't important at all.
Talks between nations and the relationship between nations just depends doesn't depend on how smal big or important that land globably is. If there is an agreement between countries on what they can offer each other, or how to co-operate it's all that's important.
I disagree that Kosovo and Serbia has to be mentioned together, because they are unimportant on their own. It's a strange statement to make. The agreement is with Serbia, wheter you see Kosovo as part of it or not is also a different matter.
At the end of the day Kosovo is not a state. The leadership of this entity are not being invited to France or any other European country as heads of state so case closed.
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