Sejdiu, Thaci welcome OIC resolution

I am stunned at how the Albanian posters at this site can believe that this resolution was a victory. Yes, it expresses support for Kosovo, but everyone can agree that a functioning, democratic and economically viable Kosovo is in everyone's interests. However, it quite cleary omits any reference to independence. It also refrains from calling on anyone to recognise Kosovo's 'statehood'. Given that the only measure of success Kosovo Albanians attach to Kosovo is recognition of its UDI. This was quite clearly a defeat for Kosovo and its handful of supporters within the OIC.

It would look a lot better if people would just be honest with themselves and not try to pretend that this was a victory.

(malcolm x, 26 May 2009 13:24)

I guess this is one of the situations (we seem to have plenty) where each side believes that they have won.
We can argue for days on who is the winner and who is the whiner and will end up in the same positions we started.
I guess it is better this way, we have both won and both sides are happy.
You hail the fact that the recognition of Kosovo is not explicitly mentioned, we hail the fact that the declaration is in place and we are further down the line than we were 2 days ago.
Malcolm X, everybody knows that a declaration for a clear recognition of Kosovo would never pass in the forum where unanimous vote is needed.
We knew that there is Syria, Libya and Egypt in the same forum.
We knew that they are still a “hard nut to crack”.
That was not the core intention of the resolution.
What is important is what will result from it.
That is the unknown at the present (I believe we both agree with this one).
Reading pro-Albanian media (pro-Serbian media is keeping low profile at the present) there are rumours of new recognitions in the pipeline.
If that materialises we will declare the resolution as a victory for the pro-Kosovo diplomacy.
If not, hat down to Jeremic.
A number of pro-Serbian comments do highlight that even when we surpass that magic number (1/2 UN + 1 Vote) it will mean nothing (comparison with Palestine is the usual norm).
I would like to tell the following to them:
Kosovo is not Palestine and Serbia is definitely not Israel.

The simple reality is that it really doesn't matter. There are enough countries strongly opposed to independence that Kosovo will never gain that status. Even if Kosovo gets as many recognitions as Palestine (over half of the UN), it will still not be independent. Is Palestine independent, which both Serbia and Albania have recognised?

Status will only ever be finalised through negotiations and since independence is irreversibly blocked it has to be on the basis of more than autonomy, less than independence.

Our Southern citizens (mainly of Albanian ethnicity) will realise that sooner or later. Once they have exhausted all recognitions and hit the brick wall, they will realise that key nations are on the other side, blocking them from entering all groups that truly independent nations are members. No UN, EU, Olympics and many others.

It's a shame this process is so slow but I think all will be clear within the next 15 years. Lets hope our province has been rid of criminals.

The next call is to join all together Balkan countries the EU, together.
(gjon cima, 26 May 2009 12:29)

No chance for EU to "independent" Kosovo - because 5 EU states recognized Kosovo as part of Serbia ;)

What matters is the recognition of Kosovo, not the call for recognition. So, if the massive recognitions follow up the resolution then the Albanian initiative sponsored by Saudia and aproved without ammendments unanimously was the right thing to do.
The next call is to join all together Balkan countries the EU, together.

i really don't understand how can anyone see this as a win for the albanian diplomacy. they had support from the probably most influential islamic country, they went against interests of a country that used to do terrible things to muslims in the decade that ended just 10 years ago, yet they failed to get a call for more recognitions of kosovo's independence. meanwhile so many people are mocking jeremic who is going against the most powerful countries on planet, countries his country wants to cooperate with at the same time. given the circumstances it is clear to me who is doing better diplomatically and that without even taking into account what kosovo's status should be.

what is stated in the declaration is what every well-meaning person wishes to kosovo (and not only to kosovo) regardless of whether it is independent or not. and if such things were more important than nationalism to the people of the balkans there would be less conflicts there.

Amazing propaganda machine. The left article doesnt know what the right one writes. HAHAHAHA... Accept autonomy and get this over with. Kosovo is Serbia, Serbia is Kosovo. No two ways about it.

K-Albanians see this as success while Serbs as another defeat.
Resolution has not directly mentioned the Independence of Kosovo however, Adoption of the resolution was important step since it allows countries to recognise Kosova Independece without breaching the rules of OIC.

Serbian camp got nervoz because Little Vuk was not allowed to take part in this OIC.

Not that I think that it will change anything but after reading the "resolution document" I realized that OIC indeed did not mention any call for the recognition of Kosovo and the text did not imply that Kosovo is independent in any way.
I don't think that thing alone will stop further recognitions but it calmed me down however to figure out that Jeremic wasn't lying- that would have been too bad.

Even Mr. Jeremic would vote for this resolution: To help undeveloped,poor region of Kosova - obviously it needs a lot of help.
And it shows who speaks and who don't understand the true and facts. "Not even the word for Kosovo as state, nor any call for recognition od UDI".
Are those a facts or rocket science to some to understand it???

"No chance for EU to "independent" Kosovo - because 5 EU states recognized Kosovo as part of Serbia ;)
(Milan, 26 May 2009 13:11)"

Well Milan, as soon as Kosovo becomes a UN member those 5 countries have no other choice but to recognize Kosovo's independence. As for the OIC resolution, it's true that doesn't bind countries to recognize the new country but, it does ask them to support and as a result it will draw between 20 and 30 new recognitions.
This is definitely not a victory for Jeremic. He screwed up big time in every shape and form. The only alliance he has made is the one with Iran and Venesuela. I'm sure he will succeed to get friends with North Korea soon. Good luck on that.

What's the point for those two men posing shaking each other hand. It's like I'm posing with my left hand shaking my right hand. Silly...

In diplospeak both sides can infer victory. For me I think it is a loss for Kosova since it doesn't mention recognitions and I do not care how anyone translates it

Studying rocket science may help some of the people here.
There is one huge factor missing from the resolution.
No where in the resolution is their any hint that Kosovo is considered part of Serbia. With the exception of support for Resolution 1244 which prohibits any control of Serbia over Kosovo.
At one setting 25% of the countries of the UN unanimously approved a resolution for support of Kosovo, not support for a Serbian province. Sounds pretty big to me.

AdamNY, there ARE reversals in policies. Republic of South Viet Nam was once recognized by U.S.A. What can I say, enjoy "there are no reversals" dream while you can.
The problem is not in a name.
The real problem is that Kosovo is not a rose, no matter how we call it.

Dear gjon cima,

You wrote: "The next call is to join all together Balkan countries the EU, together."

I know well that placing all Albanians in the same sack means ignoring the existance of progressive Albanians. But, nevertheless, I am praying that both Kosovo and Albania stay among those who will not be accepted into the EU for a long time. Not before the general citizens of those areas go thru major changes in their attitudes and behavior towards fellow individuals and the society.

I'm not talking about economics at all. I'm talking about the values according which the MAJORITY of people act and behave in the society. I don't in any case want people who play with their own rules to join the game of shared rules.

You don't have to give me any lessons of imaginary state of things inside spoken geographical areas. I've been around. I know of people's daily values. I know can I trust to their word or not. I know can they be bought or not.

I keep asking common men and women walking on streets and on village roads "Should I trust people that I don't know personally?" As long as the MAJORITY answers me "Only if you are a fool" there is, dear gjon cima, a lot work to be done.

Your next call is to bring new values to your society, not to dream of a short cut into the EU. Do you think you are up to this?

@Sejdiu, Thaci welcome OIC resolution

Who cares about that?
B92,please come up with something more interesting,for example that a bag of rice has fallen in China...

doodah and Co.,

Please can you be honest just once. Plain Facts:

Mr. Jeremic:"No call for recognition resolution will be put for voting" - True!

Albanian representative(s):"Call for recognition of UDI will be put for voting" - not True - plus he said that he's confident it will win votes - again not true said politely - or plain LIE.

It should be no-brainer except for blind nationalists.

well, a statement calling for immediate recognition would have been nice... but would have been surprising considering a few members outright negative stance on kosovo as opposed to being on the fence.

But as it is, it is quite humorous to see serbia claiming any kind of victory... the whole "argument" againts kosovo independence revolves around the delusion that kosovo's democratically elected govt. and its instituions are in fact illegal... That kosovo is acknowledged at all... let alone given lipservice calling for the support of Kosovo's development and democratic instituions is a direct slap in the face to the serbian position.... clearly the opposite of the claim made by serbias fm that kosovo was not mentioned at all.

a call to recognition would have changed nothing as those members still have to decide themselves to recognize or not..and it still would not have forced any change on the likes of iran/lybia.

That kosovo is acknowleged at all and put in a "spotlight" with no mention of serbia.. no matter what the wishfull interpretations from serbia, is far from neutral.

There are NO reversals... and this is another small step in the right direction for kosovo.

Yes, it expresses support for Kosovo, but everyone can agree that a functioning, democratic and economically viable Kosovo is in everyone's interests. However, it quite cleary omits any reference to independence. It also refrains from calling on anyone to recognise Kosovo's 'statehood'. Given that the only measure of success Kosovo Albanians attach to Kosovo is recognition of its UDI. This was quite clearly a defeat for Kosovo and its handful of supporters within the OIC.

It would look a lot better if people would just be honest with themselves and not try to pretend that this was a victory.
(Jim, 26 May 2009 12:50)

Jim you write "it expresses support for Kosovo"! Not SERBIA!
In simple terms since there is no mention of Serbia or somehow recognising Kosovo as part of Serbia, is clearly a victory. Don't forget that only 17 out of 54 countries recognise Kosovo.To get them all on board supporting Kosovo is a victory.
Why don't Serbia or Russia for that matter put forward a resolution against Kosovo indepedence on OIC?
If they can't on OIC why not try UN or EU?
That way we can compare the success attained more fairly!

Jim you write "it expresses support for Kosovo"! Not SERBIA!
"In simple terms since there is no mention of Serbia or somehow recognising Kosovo as part of Serbia, is clearly a victory."

Ilir, by not recognizing Kosovo it is implied that Kosovo is recognized as part of Serbia. I can't belive you don't see that.

is true that serbian diplomacy won this round.
is true that albanian diplomacy failed in this
now, what happens after this???
if there will be a significant number of countries from ICO that will recognise Kosovo/a this resolution will be in same way a victory because it focused ICO into the Kosovo/a issue.
now is important to see if saudits that failed in their resolution giving the victory in same way to siria will accomplish with that or they will decide to lobby harder than before for new recognitions...
new recognitions will turn a sirian victory to a saudit victory
that's diplomacy
nobody think that saudits will accept a diplomatic slap from siria ...

Bottom Line!

How did the American constitution get ratified by all the 13 colonies who were split?
They implicitly added vague language were both sides can view it as a victory! The main goal is to get the other side on the wagon. Once they're on board they no longer control the wheel but it will eventually lead to recognition.

Same goes for res-1244!
If it claims that Kosovo is Serbia well than why is that not the case?

You all can go back n forth with Palestinian and vitnam analogies and so forth but as for the kosova issue....it's been a done deal!

Malcolm X, whom are you going to dupe? What about Ramush Hardinaj and Ceku crimes?

http://www.blic.rs/society.php?id=3605.

http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/har-ii050224e.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7990984.stm

It's a fact that KLA was trained in Albania.

And what about human organ's trade?

(blero, 26 May 2009 14:22)

blero, i do not "hail" anything since at the end of the day i don't really care what the final status of kosovo will be. i just pointed out that you really need to be completely divorced from reality to claim that this was a win for albanian diplomacy. you are right about one thing though, it i good that both sides will claim a victory and be satisfied. there is a need to find precisely such solution. that's what should have happened at the negotiations. i mentioned previously that the people of the balkans should care more about prosperity and democracy rather than nationalism and i think the kosovo status question is just giving ammunition to backward political forces on both sides who are distracting the populations on both sides from these far more important issues. if both serbs and albanians live in democratic and prosperous societies i do not think it matters much in how many states they live. you lot need to start trusting rather than antagonising each other.

Thaci must be frustrated about what has happened.
- Such giants as Syria, Iran and Egypt openly supported Serbia. Muslims supported Slavs! This support alone means a lot.
- "Republic of Kosovo" isn't "independent republic of Kosovo".
- Reference to 1244 means in fact the support of UNSC position.
- As Russians said one more time (xxx-time) two days ago, there will be NO recognition of Kosovo for the part of UN.
- Kosovo is Serbia. Forever!

PS. Given that Albanians are so eager to get Serbian passports, I suppose the only obstacle is a KLA regime.

Kosova Tourism Ad in 2020 to Attract tourism.

"Yes, come to Kosova! We are land locked. We have no coast. We have no beaches. We have no large cultural monuments. Plus, we are all Muslims". Sounds like a great holiday.

Maybe it's good that both sides claim victory, but I don't see how anything would change. I don't think any side can claim victory.
The fact is that the OIC resolution didn't call on any state to recognize Kosovo, and thus it was a watered down version like Jeremic said, and not an unchanged resolution. Yes it calls on states to support Kosovo, and ofcourse that means Kosovo as an indipendence state, but the resolution itself is less strong then the Albanians had hoped for.

In the end nothing will change much. There will be more states that would recognize Kosovo. But we knew that without an resolution.
The only good thing is that Serbia's diplomacy did work, and the resolution has passed with the changes Jeremic talked about. Nothing much to celibrate about tho.

This is turning into just what everyone thought it would turn into. Kosovo will turn into anther little limbo state in the Balkans. Their problems will really start once the US forgets about them and they are left to fend for themselves in the big bad mean globalized world.

@Bob Petrovich

now now.. to describe south vietnam as a reversal is ludicrous...

After yugoslavia and serbia and montenegro feebly attempted to pass themselves off as a continuation of Yugoslavia within the U.N. serbs were promptly invited to re-apply for UN membership wich it did so in 2000. That by no means meant a Reversal by the world regarding Yugoslavia.. It simply means the UN recognized the political reality that milosovics fakeslavia was something entirely different. similarly you can apply the same reality regarding south vietnam... though i suspect you already understood that and were simply reaching for something to counterace my "no reversals" statement wich seemed to irritate you.

as for dreams... the only 'dream' we can genuinely speak of, is today's republic of serbia ..younger than the paper 1244 is written on, never having controlled kosovo at all in its current incarnation, claiming that kosovo is an integral part of it.

Malcolm X

I agree with your statements that we should live in democratic nations with prosperity and so forth.

The thing is this. As an Albanian from northern Albania who's grandfather n all the way back to 13 generations that I can go back it's always been Serb-Montenegrin aggression. I'm speaking for all Albanians. We never attacked Serbia.....period. We never wanted anything they ever had. It's always been in self defense. The valley gucia fir instance belonged to my first ones. Where are they now? in Montenegro!
We don't want anything to do with them neighbors or whatever they do their thing and we do ours. But they always wanted the ports such as the port of Durres and ulqin which is Montenegro.
As far as trust is concerned. Never trust a "disloyal Serb".
All their doing is trying to make it as difficult as possible for kosova to get it's recognitions. It's an embarrassing, humiliating and disgraceful for them so I can understand why they act the way they do. But if it's 5, 10 or even 20 years to become independent 100% than let it be. For us it's no more than 20min.

K-Albanians see this as success while Serbs as another defeat.
Resolution has not directly mentioned the Independence of Kosovo however, Adoption of the resolution was important step since it allows countries to recognise Kosova Independece without breaching the rules of OIC.

Serbian camp got nervoz because Little Vuk was not allowed to take part in this OIC.

Studying rocket science may help some of the people here.
There is one huge factor missing from the resolution.
No where in the resolution is their any hint that Kosovo is considered part of Serbia. With the exception of support for Resolution 1244 which prohibits any control of Serbia over Kosovo.
At one setting 25% of the countries of the UN unanimously approved a resolution for support of Kosovo, not support for a Serbian province. Sounds pretty big to me.

The next call is to join all together Balkan countries the EU, together.
(gjon cima, 26 May 2009 12:29)

No chance for EU to "independent" Kosovo - because 5 EU states recognized Kosovo as part of Serbia ;)

Amazing propaganda machine. The left article doesnt know what the right one writes. HAHAHAHA... Accept autonomy and get this over with. Kosovo is Serbia, Serbia is Kosovo. No two ways about it.

The simple reality is that it really doesn't matter. There are enough countries strongly opposed to independence that Kosovo will never gain that status. Even if Kosovo gets as many recognitions as Palestine (over half of the UN), it will still not be independent. Is Palestine independent, which both Serbia and Albania have recognised?

Status will only ever be finalised through negotiations and since independence is irreversibly blocked it has to be on the basis of more than autonomy, less than independence.

Our Southern citizens (mainly of Albanian ethnicity) will realise that sooner or later. Once they have exhausted all recognitions and hit the brick wall, they will realise that key nations are on the other side, blocking them from entering all groups that truly independent nations are members. No UN, EU, Olympics and many others.

It's a shame this process is so slow but I think all will be clear within the next 15 years. Lets hope our province has been rid of criminals.

"No chance for EU to "independent" Kosovo - because 5 EU states recognized Kosovo as part of Serbia ;)
(Milan, 26 May 2009 13:11)"

Well Milan, as soon as Kosovo becomes a UN member those 5 countries have no other choice but to recognize Kosovo's independence. As for the OIC resolution, it's true that doesn't bind countries to recognize the new country but, it does ask them to support and as a result it will draw between 20 and 30 new recognitions.
This is definitely not a victory for Jeremic. He screwed up big time in every shape and form. The only alliance he has made is the one with Iran and Venesuela. I'm sure he will succeed to get friends with North Korea soon. Good luck on that.

(malcolm x, 26 May 2009 13:24)

I guess this is one of the situations (we seem to have plenty) where each side believes that they have won.
We can argue for days on who is the winner and who is the whiner and will end up in the same positions we started.
I guess it is better this way, we have both won and both sides are happy.
You hail the fact that the recognition of Kosovo is not explicitly mentioned, we hail the fact that the declaration is in place and we are further down the line than we were 2 days ago.
Malcolm X, everybody knows that a declaration for a clear recognition of Kosovo would never pass in the forum where unanimous vote is needed.
We knew that there is Syria, Libya and Egypt in the same forum.
We knew that they are still a “hard nut to crack”.
That was not the core intention of the resolution.
What is important is what will result from it.
That is the unknown at the present (I believe we both agree with this one).
Reading pro-Albanian media (pro-Serbian media is keeping low profile at the present) there are rumours of new recognitions in the pipeline.
If that materialises we will declare the resolution as a victory for the pro-Kosovo diplomacy.
If not, hat down to Jeremic.
A number of pro-Serbian comments do highlight that even when we surpass that magic number (1/2 UN + 1 Vote) it will mean nothing (comparison with Palestine is the usual norm).
I would like to tell the following to them:
Kosovo is not Palestine and Serbia is definitely not Israel.

well, a statement calling for immediate recognition would have been nice... but would have been surprising considering a few members outright negative stance on kosovo as opposed to being on the fence.

But as it is, it is quite humorous to see serbia claiming any kind of victory... the whole "argument" againts kosovo independence revolves around the delusion that kosovo's democratically elected govt. and its instituions are in fact illegal... That kosovo is acknowledged at all... let alone given lipservice calling for the support of Kosovo's development and democratic instituions is a direct slap in the face to the serbian position.... clearly the opposite of the claim made by serbias fm that kosovo was not mentioned at all.

a call to recognition would have changed nothing as those members still have to decide themselves to recognize or not..and it still would not have forced any change on the likes of iran/lybia.

That kosovo is acknowleged at all and put in a "spotlight" with no mention of serbia.. no matter what the wishfull interpretations from serbia, is far from neutral.

There are NO reversals... and this is another small step in the right direction for kosovo.

What matters is the recognition of Kosovo, not the call for recognition. So, if the massive recognitions follow up the resolution then the Albanian initiative sponsored by Saudia and aproved without ammendments unanimously was the right thing to do.
The next call is to join all together Balkan countries the EU, together.

I am stunned at how the Albanian posters at this site can believe that this resolution was a victory. Yes, it expresses support for Kosovo, but everyone can agree that a functioning, democratic and economically viable Kosovo is in everyone's interests. However, it quite cleary omits any reference to independence. It also refrains from calling on anyone to recognise Kosovo's 'statehood'. Given that the only measure of success Kosovo Albanians attach to Kosovo is recognition of its UDI. This was quite clearly a defeat for Kosovo and its handful of supporters within the OIC.

It would look a lot better if people would just be honest with themselves and not try to pretend that this was a victory.

@Sejdiu, Thaci welcome OIC resolution

Who cares about that?
B92,please come up with something more interesting,for example that a bag of rice has fallen in China...

Dear gjon cima,

You wrote: "The next call is to join all together Balkan countries the EU, together."

I know well that placing all Albanians in the same sack means ignoring the existance of progressive Albanians. But, nevertheless, I am praying that both Kosovo and Albania stay among those who will not be accepted into the EU for a long time. Not before the general citizens of those areas go thru major changes in their attitudes and behavior towards fellow individuals and the society.

I'm not talking about economics at all. I'm talking about the values according which the MAJORITY of people act and behave in the society. I don't in any case want people who play with their own rules to join the game of shared rules.

You don't have to give me any lessons of imaginary state of things inside spoken geographical areas. I've been around. I know of people's daily values. I know can I trust to their word or not. I know can they be bought or not.

I keep asking common men and women walking on streets and on village roads "Should I trust people that I don't know personally?" As long as the MAJORITY answers me "Only if you are a fool" there is, dear gjon cima, a lot work to be done.

Your next call is to bring new values to your society, not to dream of a short cut into the EU. Do you think you are up to this?

Even Mr. Jeremic would vote for this resolution: To help undeveloped,poor region of Kosova - obviously it needs a lot of help.
And it shows who speaks and who don't understand the true and facts. "Not even the word for Kosovo as state, nor any call for recognition od UDI".
Are those a facts or rocket science to some to understand it???

Bottom Line!

How did the American constitution get ratified by all the 13 colonies who were split?
They implicitly added vague language were both sides can view it as a victory! The main goal is to get the other side on the wagon. Once they're on board they no longer control the wheel but it will eventually lead to recognition.

Same goes for res-1244!
If it claims that Kosovo is Serbia well than why is that not the case?

You all can go back n forth with Palestinian and vitnam analogies and so forth but as for the kosova issue....it's been a done deal!

Yes, it expresses support for Kosovo, but everyone can agree that a functioning, democratic and economically viable Kosovo is in everyone's interests. However, it quite cleary omits any reference to independence. It also refrains from calling on anyone to recognise Kosovo's 'statehood'. Given that the only measure of success Kosovo Albanians attach to Kosovo is recognition of its UDI. This was quite clearly a defeat for Kosovo and its handful of supporters within the OIC.

It would look a lot better if people would just be honest with themselves and not try to pretend that this was a victory.
(Jim, 26 May 2009 12:50)

Jim you write "it expresses support for Kosovo"! Not SERBIA!
In simple terms since there is no mention of Serbia or somehow recognising Kosovo as part of Serbia, is clearly a victory. Don't forget that only 17 out of 54 countries recognise Kosovo.To get them all on board supporting Kosovo is a victory.
Why don't Serbia or Russia for that matter put forward a resolution against Kosovo indepedence on OIC?
If they can't on OIC why not try UN or EU?
That way we can compare the success attained more fairly!

@Bob Petrovich

now now.. to describe south vietnam as a reversal is ludicrous...

After yugoslavia and serbia and montenegro feebly attempted to pass themselves off as a continuation of Yugoslavia within the U.N. serbs were promptly invited to re-apply for UN membership wich it did so in 2000. That by no means meant a Reversal by the world regarding Yugoslavia.. It simply means the UN recognized the political reality that milosovics fakeslavia was something entirely different. similarly you can apply the same reality regarding south vietnam... though i suspect you already understood that and were simply reaching for something to counterace my "no reversals" statement wich seemed to irritate you.

as for dreams... the only 'dream' we can genuinely speak of, is today's republic of serbia ..younger than the paper 1244 is written on, never having controlled kosovo at all in its current incarnation, claiming that kosovo is an integral part of it.

AdamNY, there ARE reversals in policies. Republic of South Viet Nam was once recognized by U.S.A. What can I say, enjoy "there are no reversals" dream while you can.
The problem is not in a name.
The real problem is that Kosovo is not a rose, no matter how we call it.

Not that I think that it will change anything but after reading the "resolution document" I realized that OIC indeed did not mention any call for the recognition of Kosovo and the text did not imply that Kosovo is independent in any way.
I don't think that thing alone will stop further recognitions but it calmed me down however to figure out that Jeremic wasn't lying- that would have been too bad.

What's the point for those two men posing shaking each other hand. It's like I'm posing with my left hand shaking my right hand. Silly...

Malcolm X

I agree with your statements that we should live in democratic nations with prosperity and so forth.

The thing is this. As an Albanian from northern Albania who's grandfather n all the way back to 13 generations that I can go back it's always been Serb-Montenegrin aggression. I'm speaking for all Albanians. We never attacked Serbia.....period. We never wanted anything they ever had. It's always been in self defense. The valley gucia fir instance belonged to my first ones. Where are they now? in Montenegro!
We don't want anything to do with them neighbors or whatever they do their thing and we do ours. But they always wanted the ports such as the port of Durres and ulqin which is Montenegro.
As far as trust is concerned. Never trust a "disloyal Serb".
All their doing is trying to make it as difficult as possible for kosova to get it's recognitions. It's an embarrassing, humiliating and disgraceful for them so I can understand why they act the way they do. But if it's 5, 10 or even 20 years to become independent 100% than let it be. For us it's no more than 20min.

Malcolm X, whom are you going to dupe? What about Ramush Hardinaj and Ceku crimes?

http://www.blic.rs/society.php?id=3605.

http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/har-ii050224e.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7990984.stm

It's a fact that KLA was trained in Albania.

And what about human organ's trade?

Maybe it's good that both sides claim victory, but I don't see how anything would change. I don't think any side can claim victory.
The fact is that the OIC resolution didn't call on any state to recognize Kosovo, and thus it was a watered down version like Jeremic said, and not an unchanged resolution. Yes it calls on states to support Kosovo, and ofcourse that means Kosovo as an indipendence state, but the resolution itself is less strong then the Albanians had hoped for.

In the end nothing will change much. There will be more states that would recognize Kosovo. But we knew that without an resolution.
The only good thing is that Serbia's diplomacy did work, and the resolution has passed with the changes Jeremic talked about. Nothing much to celibrate about tho.

i really don't understand how can anyone see this as a win for the albanian diplomacy. they had support from the probably most influential islamic country, they went against interests of a country that used to do terrible things to muslims in the decade that ended just 10 years ago, yet they failed to get a call for more recognitions of kosovo's independence. meanwhile so many people are mocking jeremic who is going against the most powerful countries on planet, countries his country wants to cooperate with at the same time. given the circumstances it is clear to me who is doing better diplomatically and that without even taking into account what kosovo's status should be.

what is stated in the declaration is what every well-meaning person wishes to kosovo (and not only to kosovo) regardless of whether it is independent or not. and if such things were more important than nationalism to the people of the balkans there would be less conflicts there.

is true that serbian diplomacy won this round.
is true that albanian diplomacy failed in this
now, what happens after this???
if there will be a significant number of countries from ICO that will recognise Kosovo/a this resolution will be in same way a victory because it focused ICO into the Kosovo/a issue.
now is important to see if saudits that failed in their resolution giving the victory in same way to siria will accomplish with that or they will decide to lobby harder than before for new recognitions...
new recognitions will turn a sirian victory to a saudit victory
that's diplomacy
nobody think that saudits will accept a diplomatic slap from siria ...

In diplospeak both sides can infer victory. For me I think it is a loss for Kosova since it doesn't mention recognitions and I do not care how anyone translates it

doodah and Co.,

Please can you be honest just once. Plain Facts:

Mr. Jeremic:"No call for recognition resolution will be put for voting" - True!

Albanian representative(s):"Call for recognition of UDI will be put for voting" - not True - plus he said that he's confident it will win votes - again not true said politely - or plain LIE.

It should be no-brainer except for blind nationalists.

Jim you write "it expresses support for Kosovo"! Not SERBIA!
"In simple terms since there is no mention of Serbia or somehow recognising Kosovo as part of Serbia, is clearly a victory."

Ilir, by not recognizing Kosovo it is implied that Kosovo is recognized as part of Serbia. I can't belive you don't see that.

(blero, 26 May 2009 14:22)

blero, i do not "hail" anything since at the end of the day i don't really care what the final status of kosovo will be. i just pointed out that you really need to be completely divorced from reality to claim that this was a win for albanian diplomacy. you are right about one thing though, it i good that both sides will claim a victory and be satisfied. there is a need to find precisely such solution. that's what should have happened at the negotiations. i mentioned previously that the people of the balkans should care more about prosperity and democracy rather than nationalism and i think the kosovo status question is just giving ammunition to backward political forces on both sides who are distracting the populations on both sides from these far more important issues. if both serbs and albanians live in democratic and prosperous societies i do not think it matters much in how many states they live. you lot need to start trusting rather than antagonising each other.

This is turning into just what everyone thought it would turn into. Kosovo will turn into anther little limbo state in the Balkans. Their problems will really start once the US forgets about them and they are left to fend for themselves in the big bad mean globalized world.

Thaci must be frustrated about what has happened.
- Such giants as Syria, Iran and Egypt openly supported Serbia. Muslims supported Slavs! This support alone means a lot.
- "Republic of Kosovo" isn't "independent republic of Kosovo".
- Reference to 1244 means in fact the support of UNSC position.
- As Russians said one more time (xxx-time) two days ago, there will be NO recognition of Kosovo for the part of UN.
- Kosovo is Serbia. Forever!

PS. Given that Albanians are so eager to get Serbian passports, I suppose the only obstacle is a KLA regime.

Kosova Tourism Ad in 2020 to Attract tourism.

"Yes, come to Kosova! We are land locked. We have no coast. We have no beaches. We have no large cultural monuments. Plus, we are all Muslims". Sounds like a great holiday.