Greek FM maintains support for Serbia

"Also, I think that Serbia should do more to protect the rights of the Romanian minority in Serbia.
(Mircea, 26 May 2009 12:05)"

Could you please enlighten us how alleged Serbian sponsored measures are hurting the Romanian minority (less than 1%) in Serbia? If you cannot it would be appropriate to stop this continuous campaign of slender against Serbia and I would recommend B92 to be more rigorous when reviewing posting that contain all kinds of innuendos about alleged discrimination against everybody who is not Serb in Serbia.

I am very glad that this time Kosovo was not mentioned at all. I wonder Why?
(Kosova-USA, 26 May 2009 12:27)

Because Kosovo have no chance to join EU because five EU states recognized Kosovo as province of Serbia :)

"Please list up EU states that recognized Kosovo as province of Serbia? "
Spain, Greece, Slovakia, Romania, Cyprus :)

As a Romanian from Timisoara (so close to Serbia) i would like to apologize for Mircea's mono "EU is all there is in the world" poem, and would like to thank Serbia for the excelent rights ethnic Romanians in Banat have. I have been there many times and they are truly treated well.
Some concerns exist over the ones in the Timok valley, who are not fully recognized or supported, but overall I am happy with the way Romanian-Serb relations are going. Out of all our neighbours, our relations with Serbia are the best.

Good night Mircea! back to sleep.

Croatia will be the 28th Member State of the EU.

Iceland will be the 29th Member State of the EU.

Who will be the 30th Member State of the EU?
Macedonia? Montenegro? Serbia? Albania? Bosnia?

Also, I think that Serbia should do more to protect the rights of the Romanian minority in Serbia.

If it were a contest between which group is the most tolerant(Hungarians,Romanians or Serbs)towards minority rights within its borders any OBJECTIVE person will tell you Serbia takes the cake by a mile.Why has Serbia allowed any classes in Hungarian or Romanian on its territory for the past 50 years?Does Hungary allow Romanian schools on its territory?

As long as Serbia didn't turn over all war criminals and as long as the border/minority dispute(s) with Albanians are not settled, there will be no joining into the EU. The Netherlands, Germany and the Scandinavian countries will not allow that Serbia will import unsolved issues into the EU, because they learned from the experience with Cyprus that things will get only worse one the country is a member state.

So first, solve this issues, especially Kosovo, and then there will be talks about the joining. Not a second earlier.

Zoran and T Payne,

The Romanian minority which lives in North-Eastern Serbia (Timok Valley) is not fully recognized by Serbia.

In April 2005, many deputies from the Council of Europe protested against Serbia's treatment of the Romanian minority in Serbia.

I am very glad that this time Kosovo was not mentioned at all. I wonder Why?

Sorry, Laki, but as a rule a province is part of it's parent country. A country has international borders, where as a provice has internal borders.
So that being said, since the 5 EU hold outs do not recognize Kosovo's UDI, thus firmly stating that they do not recognize this swath of land as an independent country, thus it's prior status of Province within a country is the default option.
So it should be clear that agreeing with UDI says Kosovo is a former province of Serbia and is now country onto itself, and disagreeing with UDI says that Kosovo remains a provice of Serbia.
This is a rather basic case of set containment. Either you're dim, (which I personally don't think and don't hope) or you're purposefully misrepresenting reality and truth. I feel that the latter is the case.

Mircea:

I know quite a few Romanians in Serbia.

Can you tell me in which ways Serbia needs to do more for Romanian minority rights?

Sorry Zoran, but I have heard an allegation about a huge number of Vlahs (Rumanians) in Serbia, it was mentioned a figure of approximate 1 – 2 millions who mainly reside in the Timok’s Region.
It isn’t at all the percentage you wish to be true.
To Milan;
Please list up EU states that recognized Kosovo as province of Serbia?
According to all circumstances, in the near future it is Serbia to ask for Kosovo’s agreement for becoming a member of Euro Trans - Atlantic institution.

Milan, Sorry but this is a misunderstanding; these countries have not decided to recognize Kosova for some time. I haven’t heard any of them to declare Kosovo as a Serbian province.
(laki bani, 26 May 2009 18:30)

Not laki - they decided to not recognizing Kosovo as "independent country". So - if not "independent country" - than is part of Serbia according UN Resolution 1244.
Do You believe, that Cyprus who from 1983 don't recognize illegal Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will recognize same illegal Kosovo in future? Or Maybe Spain, who don't recognize "independent" Bask Country or Catalonia will recognize Kosovo in future?

Milan, Sorry but this is a misunderstanding; these countries have not decided to recognize Kosova for some time. I haven’t heard any of them to declare Kosovo as a Serbian province.
(laki bani, 26 May 2009 18:30)

By refusing to recognize Kosovo as an independent country, that's exactly what they are declaring.

Milan, Sorry but this is a misunderstanding; these countries have not decided to recognize Kosova for some time. I haven’t heard any of them to declare Kosovo as a Serbian province.

Mircea:

Is the problem for the Romanians of Serbia only in the Timok Valley?

What about the Romanians of Vojvodina in the north of Serbia?

Mircea:

Thanks for your response.

In what ways are Romanians not treated adequately according to human rights criteria in Serbia?

Do you have specific examples?

T Payne,

The Romanians of Vojvodina are treated in an acceptable way. The Romanians in the Timok Valley are the ones who are encountering problems.

I gave an example in my previous post, but B92 erased a part of my message.

Mircea:

If B92 erased part of your previous post giving examples of your claims regarding Romanians in North East Serbia, why haven't you repeated them?

Also, I thought that Vojvodina was North East Serbia. Do you consider Vojvodina to be part of Serbia, or if it should be?

And why would the Romanians of Vojvodina be treated better than elsewhere in Serbia?

"Zoran and T Payne,

The Romanian minority which lives in North-Eastern Serbia (Timok Valley) is not fully recognized by Serbia.

In April 2005, many deputies from the Council of Europe protested against Serbia's treatment of the Romanian minority in Serbia.
(Mircea, 26 May 2009 22:50)"

What does it mean "not fully recognized"?

What kind of treatment were they protesting against? Please give us a link with a report about those 2005 protests.

You are a very odd person firing all these empty phrases without any reason, proof or arguments. It must be because your pro-EU comments here are constantly rejected. Maybe it is time to post your comments at Albanian sites and I am sure you will find many pro-EU people like you and then you can be a nice and warm family.

Sorry Zoran, but I have heard an allegation about a huge number of Vlahs (Rumanians) in Serbia, it was mentioned a figure of approximate 1 – 2 millions who mainly reside in the Timok’s Region.
It isn’t at all the percentage you wish to be true.
To Milan;
Please list up EU states that recognized Kosovo as province of Serbia?
According to all circumstances, in the near future it is Serbia to ask for Kosovo’s agreement for becoming a member of Euro Trans - Atlantic institution.

Croatia will be the 28th Member State of the EU.

Iceland will be the 29th Member State of the EU.

Who will be the 30th Member State of the EU?
Macedonia? Montenegro? Serbia? Albania? Bosnia?

Also, I think that Serbia should do more to protect the rights of the Romanian minority in Serbia.

As long as Serbia didn't turn over all war criminals and as long as the border/minority dispute(s) with Albanians are not settled, there will be no joining into the EU. The Netherlands, Germany and the Scandinavian countries will not allow that Serbia will import unsolved issues into the EU, because they learned from the experience with Cyprus that things will get only worse one the country is a member state.

So first, solve this issues, especially Kosovo, and then there will be talks about the joining. Not a second earlier.

I am very glad that this time Kosovo was not mentioned at all. I wonder Why?

I am very glad that this time Kosovo was not mentioned at all. I wonder Why?
(Kosova-USA, 26 May 2009 12:27)

Because Kosovo have no chance to join EU because five EU states recognized Kosovo as province of Serbia :)

Milan, Sorry but this is a misunderstanding; these countries have not decided to recognize Kosova for some time. I haven’t heard any of them to declare Kosovo as a Serbian province.

Zoran and T Payne,

The Romanian minority which lives in North-Eastern Serbia (Timok Valley) is not fully recognized by Serbia.

In April 2005, many deputies from the Council of Europe protested against Serbia's treatment of the Romanian minority in Serbia.

"Also, I think that Serbia should do more to protect the rights of the Romanian minority in Serbia.
(Mircea, 26 May 2009 12:05)"

Could you please enlighten us how alleged Serbian sponsored measures are hurting the Romanian minority (less than 1%) in Serbia? If you cannot it would be appropriate to stop this continuous campaign of slender against Serbia and I would recommend B92 to be more rigorous when reviewing posting that contain all kinds of innuendos about alleged discrimination against everybody who is not Serb in Serbia.

"Please list up EU states that recognized Kosovo as province of Serbia? "
Spain, Greece, Slovakia, Romania, Cyprus :)

Mircea:

Thanks for your response.

In what ways are Romanians not treated adequately according to human rights criteria in Serbia?

Do you have specific examples?

T Payne,

The Romanians of Vojvodina are treated in an acceptable way. The Romanians in the Timok Valley are the ones who are encountering problems.

I gave an example in my previous post, but B92 erased a part of my message.

As a Romanian from Timisoara (so close to Serbia) i would like to apologize for Mircea's mono "EU is all there is in the world" poem, and would like to thank Serbia for the excelent rights ethnic Romanians in Banat have. I have been there many times and they are truly treated well.
Some concerns exist over the ones in the Timok valley, who are not fully recognized or supported, but overall I am happy with the way Romanian-Serb relations are going. Out of all our neighbours, our relations with Serbia are the best.

Sorry, Laki, but as a rule a province is part of it's parent country. A country has international borders, where as a provice has internal borders.
So that being said, since the 5 EU hold outs do not recognize Kosovo's UDI, thus firmly stating that they do not recognize this swath of land as an independent country, thus it's prior status of Province within a country is the default option.
So it should be clear that agreeing with UDI says Kosovo is a former province of Serbia and is now country onto itself, and disagreeing with UDI says that Kosovo remains a provice of Serbia.
This is a rather basic case of set containment. Either you're dim, (which I personally don't think and don't hope) or you're purposefully misrepresenting reality and truth. I feel that the latter is the case.

Mircea:

If B92 erased part of your previous post giving examples of your claims regarding Romanians in North East Serbia, why haven't you repeated them?

Also, I thought that Vojvodina was North East Serbia. Do you consider Vojvodina to be part of Serbia, or if it should be?

And why would the Romanians of Vojvodina be treated better than elsewhere in Serbia?

Good night Mircea! back to sleep.

Mircea:

I know quite a few Romanians in Serbia.

Can you tell me in which ways Serbia needs to do more for Romanian minority rights?

Milan, Sorry but this is a misunderstanding; these countries have not decided to recognize Kosova for some time. I haven’t heard any of them to declare Kosovo as a Serbian province.
(laki bani, 26 May 2009 18:30)

Not laki - they decided to not recognizing Kosovo as "independent country". So - if not "independent country" - than is part of Serbia according UN Resolution 1244.
Do You believe, that Cyprus who from 1983 don't recognize illegal Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will recognize same illegal Kosovo in future? Or Maybe Spain, who don't recognize "independent" Bask Country or Catalonia will recognize Kosovo in future?

Mircea:

Is the problem for the Romanians of Serbia only in the Timok Valley?

What about the Romanians of Vojvodina in the north of Serbia?

Milan, Sorry but this is a misunderstanding; these countries have not decided to recognize Kosova for some time. I haven’t heard any of them to declare Kosovo as a Serbian province.
(laki bani, 26 May 2009 18:30)

By refusing to recognize Kosovo as an independent country, that's exactly what they are declaring.

"Zoran and T Payne,

The Romanian minority which lives in North-Eastern Serbia (Timok Valley) is not fully recognized by Serbia.

In April 2005, many deputies from the Council of Europe protested against Serbia's treatment of the Romanian minority in Serbia.
(Mircea, 26 May 2009 22:50)"

What does it mean "not fully recognized"?

What kind of treatment were they protesting against? Please give us a link with a report about those 2005 protests.

You are a very odd person firing all these empty phrases without any reason, proof or arguments. It must be because your pro-EU comments here are constantly rejected. Maybe it is time to post your comments at Albanian sites and I am sure you will find many pro-EU people like you and then you can be a nice and warm family.

If it were a contest between which group is the most tolerant(Hungarians,Romanians or Serbs)towards minority rights within its borders any OBJECTIVE person will tell you Serbia takes the cake by a mile.Why has Serbia allowed any classes in Hungarian or Romanian on its territory for the past 50 years?Does Hungary allow Romanian schools on its territory?