Yes Biljana you're right, there is a discrimination and we agree on it! Nobody should need visa to travel the world!! But look, you make some mistakes when you talk about Nato and being in the white list of schengen visa. They are not the same thing and they're not even related since we are talking about 2 totally different entities in their composition, purpose etc. So, this kind of comparation is wrong. What the commenters here forget, is that a country is made by people and politicians, and most of the times politicians are not willing to follow the interest of the people even if they should.. In this case the Albanian governement has failed to follow the albanian people ineterest (the free - moving)and this is very very disgusting (primarly for us albanians). But I sincerely don't understand in which way this issue was related to the argument of the article.
Wasn't it about Serbia not issueing passports to albanians from Kosovo (why should they if Kosovo is independent??) Can you explain me what does this have to do with Albania not being in the white list of Schengen??
I'm not sure EU is really trying to keep Kosovo out. It sound to me that they are treating Kosovo as a different entity. If Serbia agrees to that, it means that kosovar albanians are no more serbian citizens. Still another bump for Serbia in her fight for Kosovo. The actual serb government sounds a little idealistic and lacking a sens of reality
"FYI: Getting in NATO is seen as a huge victory in the Balkans, your territory is secure and your army will be modernized. If Serbia was in NATO nothing would have happened, and now that Albania is, Kosova is safe by extension. Sending 200 soldiers to Afghanistan is nothing.
(AgIm, 23 May 2009 23:15) "
Nsto admitted Albania, NOT "Kosova". And in case you didn't notice, not all Nato members recognized Kosovo's UDI. They are obliged to defend Albania not "Kosova".
As for sending troops to Afghanistan, do you think the US will be content with just 200 Albanian troops with the situation there deteriorating by the day? Get real!
"Albanians are ready to give thier youngsters and die for the EU and USA,and they still get nothing in return."
We got Kosova recognition and NATO helped us since 1999. Small thing, eh? Serbia hasn't gotten visas yet, read the report: for one it must patrol the border in North Kosova and be constructive with EULEX more. Do you hear Tadic or Jeremic talking about 6 points? Why not?
Albania and Kosova still haven't fulfilled the conditions yet so the comparison is invalid. Tadic begged Biden and agreed with the conditions so you might get some good news.
FYI: Getting in NATO is seen as a huge victory in the Balkans, your territory is secure and your army will be modernized. If Serbia was in NATO nothing would have happened, and now that Albania is, Kosova is safe by extension. Sending 200 soldiers to Afghanistan is nothing.
"As for the latest measure, if it turns to be true it would mean only one thing; your government will on principal apply the same measure to Kosova Serbs, (not issue them with Serb passports), which can only push them more towards adopting a Kosovar identity/ statehood.
Again if that’s the case, it would gradually bring an end to this differential dealings with Serbs, where it is claimed that Serbs south of Iber have to comply and those in the north can choose not to.
All the evidence points out towards a consolidation of Kosovar state, it is such a shame that those jokers in prishtina are not taking full advantage.
(village-bey, 23 May 2009 10:26)"
village-bey,
your analogy overlooked a critical point which destroys it. K-Serbs see themselves as Serbian citizens and likewise Belgrade sees them as such too. They are therefore entitled to Serbian passports. Even the Ahtisaari plans accepted their entitlement to dual citizenship.
No one can therefore legally deny K-Serbs of Serbian or "Kosova" passports if they should choose to want them.
Bganon,
Maybe you are right my jokes stink sometimes, but goes without saying, you as a Belgrader would object any negative suggestion towards town.
Anyhow you emphasis seem IJC seems to me to highlights the inability or your government to think long-term.
On his address to UN meeting back in March Lamberto Zannier stated that although slow, a significant number of Kosova Serbs had applied and been issued with Kosovar passports. We can suggest that this might be indirectly an adoption of Kosovan statehood by the same Serbs that live in Kosova.
As for the latest measure, if it turns to be true it would mean only one thing; your government will on principal apply the same measure to Kosova Serbs, (not issue them with Serb passports), which can only push them more towards adopting a Kosovar identity/ statehood.
Again if that’s the case, it would gradually bring an end to this differential dealings with Serbs, where it is claimed that Serbs south of Iber have to comply and those in the north can choose not to.
All the evidence points out towards a consolidation of Kosovar state, it is such a shame that those jokers in prishtina are not taking full advantage.
“Nice try Biljana, only if we could accept Serbia as our state, we'd be in heaven.”
Agim USA
-No, Agim, you wouldn’t be in heaven as Serbs them selves are not in heaven but
I do not see how you can be in heaven ever after such discriminatory requirements
from the EU.
“Talking about discrimination, why is Serbia only now getting a chance?”
-I never said Serbia wasn’t discriminated. Even worse, the EU and USA are trying to
humiliate and break Serbia in every possible way by applying policy of double standards and when it comes to all
kind of requirements. Not to mention bizarre blackmails, etc..However, Serbia still stands firm and thus not kneel before the EU and USA masters. Of course, we do fulfil certain obligations which is normal, but still there are some things that we cannot accept even if that means no visa, no EU. And that is fine with me.
We Serbs (though some do)do not go around and cheer EU and USA leaders and believe it or not
EU and USA is pretty much despised by the Serbs. Sure, there are some young people delighted by the EU but they will grow up and eventually understand what kind of creation the EU is.
There are some politicians as well who are trying so hardly to push us in EU and NATO at any costs (like that is going to solve all our problems) but I believe that these politicians
do not enjoy the trust of the majority.
Besides, do I need to mention that Serbia is not NATO member (nor will ever be) but Albania is NATO member and still locked in the cage?
Albanians are ready to give thier youngsters and die for the EU and USA,and they still get nothing in return.
I just wanted to point out that the article says that no more serbian passports will be issued to kosovo albanians. It does not say that no more that no more serbian passports will be issued to kosovo serbs, roma, gorani, vlachs, turks, and other non-albanian Serbian citizens in kosovo.
Actually this is quite fair -
why should kosovo albanians enjoy the privledge of having Serbian passports, when they support terrorism against serbs, seperatism from serbia, and are actively engaging in the destruction of serbian churches, cultural shrines, and even gravesites?
WHAT about those folks who work overseas using the Serbian Passport? Not sure if Afghanistan has recognized the passport or Kuwait. I know that UAE but is it so hard to get a Kosovo passport you have to wait forever unless you pay a bribe to speed up the process. See what happens when you have independence everyone wants everything for free.
I think it is more than obvious what is going on here, and Biljana summed it up quite well.
Almost everyone inn Kosovo (and albania) is unemployed, except the people servicing Camp Bondsteel, and almost everyone there is muslim. The last thing Europe wants is to be flooded by unemployed, uneducated, albanian muslims, many of whom are into drug and human trafficking. This is why they are putting impossible restrictions on the albanians to get Serbian passports.
In other words, while Germans don't like Serbs, they respect us, and don't mind grabbing our engineers, computer programmers, and our best brains to help out their economy. Germans love albanians, but they don't want their country flooded with them to put further strain on their bankrupt economy. Yes, they love albanians as long as they stay out of their country, and at the same time try to damage Serbia further. That, my friends, is the truth of the matter, and it is very, very obvious if you just open your eyes.
What I see from here is called discrimination.
Anyway, it is up to you Albanians to decide whether you like to be treated like this
or not?
Is it worthy or not?
To me, this is humiliation of worst kind.
But,hey, keep cheereing Biden and tost to his honour coz really amuses me much!
(Biljana, 22 May 2009 20:08)
Humiliation???
There are more Kosovar Albanians working, living and studying in EU and USA than we could ever dream off. They hate us so much that they gave to all of us Citizenships, and the right to call us their own.
Please explain to me.
WHERE IS THE HUMILIATION??
How long does a Serbian citizen wait for a visa???
24 hrs?? I CAN SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT..
--"What I see from here is called discrimination.
Anyway, it is up to you Albanians to decide whether you like to be treated like this or not? Is it worthy or not?"
Nice try Biljana, only if we could accept Serbia as our state, we'd be in heaven.
Over 1 Million Albanians from Albania are immigrants already, and in most cases a "garanci" gives their family and cousins visas. Talking about discrimination, why is Serbia only now getting a chance? How did you feel for the past 20 years? Albania for example, only this year put the people in a computerized database, and Kosova still hasn't a list of citizens. Once the conditions are met, visas will be removed as well. A year or two more is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Recognition is not required for EU integration---the joke of the century. Of course the play on words is Serbia only has to abandon its claim on Kosovo--Is that an easier pill to swallow??
With this "better late than never" approach with the Serbian government, it's doing the right thing. This will really show the world who the invaders really are.
This is NOT acknowledgement of recognition. The albanians supported this illegal act, they should be responsible & accountable for their birth-right citizens, not Serbia. It was stupid in the first place for Serbia to allow albanians to apply for passports & grant them this luxury.
You claim to be albanian - use your own birth certificate/passport & be proud of who you are - leave us alone & stop your acts of terrorism, scare tactics & threats (as well as destruction of OUR holy land). We don't need nor care to have any relations with people that do not respect us.
The numerous illegal acts as well as hiding behind the UN, EU & US will not go unnoticed any longer.
I promise you miri that if the Serbian people one day decide to recognize an independent Kosovo you will not have any problems with that, I swear to God. I'm only one person and I don't want to control the majority with my rhetoric if their wish is different from mine. But, until Serbs recognize Kosovo I'll continue to come here and say what I want to say.
By the way, nobody needs Serbian passport, Kosovar passport get Schengen visa easy.
(Olf
Not quite true Olf!
I don’t know how many foreign embassies or consulates are there in Pristina at the moment, and I don’t know in how many of them you actually tried to apply for visa, but I have a bit different news and a bit of different nature but still much related to Kosovo passports and visa issue. I don’t know is this 100% true but I heard it from an Albanian family from Kosovo residing in Finland.
That family that I happened to know, encountered problem in Finland when the family members wanted transfer of their permanent Finnish visa from Serbian passport into Kosovo passport.
Believe it or not, this family was denied visa transfer with little or no explanation at all by the officials dealing with visas.
Basically they were told that officially Kosovo passport is recognised but unofficially passport is actually not recognised yet. Rightfully, the members of the family were furious.
That family told me as well that some K-Albanians encountered exactly the same problem in Austria, and now K-Albanian Diaspora is wondering have they being tricked?
You see where the problem is now and it is not funny at all? Once when Serbian passport expire or ceased to be valid(and Albanians are denied the right to apply for new one) many K-Albanians will have problems to transfer their visas into Kosovo passports. Their once legal status in foreign country will basically become illegal, at this point.
So, I don’t see how this can be easy for the Albanians?
On the contrary, it is very unfair and uneasy situation.
Another question that came to my mind after reading the requirements from the EU (for putting Serbia in that white list), is why Albania is not yet on white list, or how come that it did not find itself on the positive list next to FRY Macedonia in the latest visa abolishment’s assessment.
I mean, Albania recently joined NATO and in my opinion made huge sacrifices to serve their EU and USA masters as best as they can and yet those masters did not award Albania with the slightest hope of acceptance such as free travelling. Your boys from Albania will go to serve in lousy and completely failed missions in Afghanistan and Iraq and die instead of the boys from USA and EU, and yet will be still denied right to travel freely, at least around the Europe.
What I see from here is called discrimination.
Anyway, it is up to you Albanians to decide whether you like to be treated like this
or not?
Is it worthy or not?
To me, this is humiliation of worst kind.
But,hey, keep cheereing Biden and tost to his honour coz really amuses me much!
village-bey I think that joke was in bad taste really.
And as you might know its not at all unusual for Albanians to come to Belgrade for medical treatment.
I do wonder how wise it is to not issue Kosovo Albanians passports. Personally speaking I've always been in favour of granting Kosovo Albanians full rights as Serbian citizens.
And I have to agree with the observation here that this might have something to do with a deal worked out with EU officials. Its not nice to say but they don't really want more immigrants from poorer parts of Europe - particularly if they believe (whether right or not) that members of this population may involve themselves with crime in their host country.
In conclusion there is one thing I didn't think of. How will this affect the case at the ICJ? From a Serbian perspective it would be extremely foolish to prejudice this case, far better to wait until a verdict is given.
A, while it is true that the serbian authorities had some pressure on the albanians back then, the fact remains that the serbs had experienced a cultural genocide in kosovo and metohija. In fact, between 1961 and 1989, some 200,000 serbs have been forced to leave the province, as tito's autonomy grants resulted in the albanianization of the province. This same period had an increase in corruption and a fall in the standard of living in kosovo, though that may be attributed to the booming population of albanians. But, the school system in kosovo stagnated. IT became inadequate, something totally primitive. In the medical department they used names in albanian, instead of in latin as all of the world does. In school they did not have serbocroatian, the main national language as mandatory to learn. To top things off, the albanian university specialized in the arts, in albanian literature - a huge waste of resources because A) such degress did not give jobs, and B) technical training was in far greater need than arts and humanities. Technical training was needed for the development of the province, but the albanian authorities said no, they did not care. They abused their power, and abused the 16 billion dollar investment that serbia put into kosovo and metohija. Shame and incompetence!!! All in all, the DS would gain from giving the albanians passports. In fact if the Albanians participated in democracy, then the pro-West parties would always have been in power. In fact, Milosevic's party would never have controlled government. Talk about abuse of albanians, no, I want to talk about their refusal to participate in democracy. They could have owned the serbian government if they did that.
I can see the political twist that Serbian government will give to this.
It will be something in the reams of:
“Serbian State will be issuing passports to all of its citizens (including Kosovo Albanians) that are confirmed to be Serbian citizen”.
That way the EU is happy and the people in Serbia will be left happy “believing” that “Kosovo is still Serbia”.
Once they get used to that idea the next bombshell will come in the reams of:
“Serbian State will issue passports to all of it citizens (including Kosovo) that are confirmed to be Serbian citizen (with emphasis on dual citizenship Serbs of Kosovo).
In all the honesty why would we need Serbian passports anyway?
We have our passports.
What does Serbian passport offer that Kosovo passport does not?
Please don’t say visa liberalization since Serbian passport still does not provide that and nobody knows when will do.
Therefore: no difference.
Also please don’t say travel to Russia (oh boy what do we do now???).
At the present Kosovo passport is recognised by all the countries that are of any importance for Kosovar’s.
Just one more note:
Do you guys remember when Serbia did not allow entry to Serbia anybody that had a Kosovo stamp in their passports!
What happened to that?
I guess the fact that people found other routes and the fact that petrol stations in Serbia felt a bit of revenue loss changed the stance didn’t it?
Most things in life come down to simple cost/benefit analysis.The benefit of 7 million people in Serbia proper having unrestricted travel into the EU seems to be outweighing the cost of allowing 2 million undocumentable Albanians to take advantage of Serbian paasports and travel to countries where they are obviously not welcome.
I can't help but to wonder what the real reason some powerful Western countries supported an independent Kosovo? Was it to prevent Albanians from leaving Kosovo and also creating a place to send them back to? If one reads between the lines that's how it appears to be.
(MikeC, 22 May 2009 16:30)
I am not trying to pick on you, but as an example it's good that you are finding a "positive" twist on this that could serve your "cause".
(Note the quotation on positive and cause, because neither one of them is actually true from my perspective).
Soon you will also put a similar positive twist on Serbia's recognition of K-Independence. After all that's what we all want.
Finally Serbia recognizes Kosovos independence indirectly. Yeahhhh
@Dave
This means nothing, is just that Kosovo is not ready yet after the war to travel withouth visas we need time but even if it means no free travel to Europe for the next 50-100 years we are fine by that as long as we are not under Serbian boot.
--" Danas’s source states that efforts are being made to find a model that would guarantee compliance with the Constitution and law, but that would also make it virtually impossible for Kosovo Albanians to continue receiving Serbian passports."
Only in Serbia this can actually be serious. Make it impossible for some "citizens" to get passports and still be 100% constitutional. Of course the constitution that said "Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia" was voted after the Albanians in Kosova were not allowed to vote:
"Serbia’s moral authority on the issue hit a new low in October when the 1.5m ethnic Albanian residents of the province were denied the right to vote in a deeply flawed constitutional referendum that declared Kosovo an integral part of Serbia." (Biden in 2007)
Is this behaviour OK for you serbian poster? Aren't K-Albs your citizens?
Why they don't want Albanians? For the same they didn't want Serbs, FYROM-ans or Bosnians until now, you must fulfill the criteria (border control, fight against crime, police checks etc.) In kosova it's a bit harder since half of people are under 28 years old and they will migrate. Romania and Bulgaria accepted conditions as well.
An extra year or even 5 will not kill us, but Serbia just recognized Kosova indirectly.
We all get it, but it seems the Albanians are the last ones to get it (or just will never get it). The reason they want Kosovo and Albania to exist is to send them back there and limit their numbers in Western Europe. It says a lot when Germans equate Albanians with Turks...
God riddance! We don't want those passports, for now we have our own, which are good in the major countries of the WEST, where we want to go. Now you can stop preaching that dogma about Albanians being citizens of Serbia and what not. This is an informal way of Serbia recognizing that Kosova is gone forever. I guess Biden's visit had some impact on Serbia after all.
"The daily’s source states that following consultations with the European Commission over problems that Schengen agreement signatories were having with illegal immigration from Kosovo, it was decided that Serbia should find a model to prevent any more passports being issued to Kosovo Albanians."
And I read so often posts on B92 that the EU welcomes K-Albanians with open arms? No?
If Serbia is not going to issue K-Albanians passports that means that Belgrade is saying that they are no longer citizens of Serbia and that Kosovo is de facto independent.
Ask yourselves, Team Albania: why is the EU so desperate to keep you out that they will push through these extreme and discriminatory measures? And what does this say about your prospects for joining the EU, or will you simply end up as a sad red indian reservation in the Balkans, with a fence of hostile bureaucracy around it.
“In order to comply with all the rules we’ll introduce, Albanians from Kosovo will have to fill in thousands of documents and have to travel from Kosovo to Belgrade about ten times,”
I don’t see why not. Albanians are always looking for excuses to visit Belgrade. See the sights, big city lights and all that. So great is the urge that they sometimes find their way up north even dead and on back of refrigerator trucks.
I can't help but to wonder what the real reason some powerful Western countries supported an independent Kosovo? Was it to prevent Albanians from leaving Kosovo and also creating a place to send them back to? If one reads between the lines that's how it appears to be.
I always said that the main reason the EU was is so vehemently pro K_albanian independence is to control their travel into Europe. And eventually to deport the illegal albanians back to Kosovo. This is proof.
I thin'k is no problem with passports for Albanians from kosovo. They have their own country and they don't need serbian passports, because they seceded from Serbia.
If Serbia is not going to issue K-Albanians passports that means that Belgrade is saying that they are no longer citizens of Serbia and that Kosovo is de facto independent.
I thin'k is no problem with passports for Albanians from kosovo. They have their own country and they don't need serbian passports, because they seceded from Serbia.
I can't help but to wonder what the real reason some powerful Western countries supported an independent Kosovo? Was it to prevent Albanians from leaving Kosovo and also creating a place to send them back to? If one reads between the lines that's how it appears to be.
“In order to comply with all the rules we’ll introduce, Albanians from Kosovo will have to fill in thousands of documents and have to travel from Kosovo to Belgrade about ten times,”
I don’t see why not. Albanians are always looking for excuses to visit Belgrade. See the sights, big city lights and all that. So great is the urge that they sometimes find their way up north even dead and on back of refrigerator trucks.
God riddance! We don't want those passports, for now we have our own, which are good in the major countries of the WEST, where we want to go. Now you can stop preaching that dogma about Albanians being citizens of Serbia and what not. This is an informal way of Serbia recognizing that Kosova is gone forever. I guess Biden's visit had some impact on Serbia after all.
Ask yourselves, Team Albania: why is the EU so desperate to keep you out that they will push through these extreme and discriminatory measures? And what does this say about your prospects for joining the EU, or will you simply end up as a sad red indian reservation in the Balkans, with a fence of hostile bureaucracy around it.
"The daily’s source states that following consultations with the European Commission over problems that Schengen agreement signatories were having with illegal immigration from Kosovo, it was decided that Serbia should find a model to prevent any more passports being issued to Kosovo Albanians."
And I read so often posts on B92 that the EU welcomes K-Albanians with open arms? No?
--" Danas’s source states that efforts are being made to find a model that would guarantee compliance with the Constitution and law, but that would also make it virtually impossible for Kosovo Albanians to continue receiving Serbian passports."
Only in Serbia this can actually be serious. Make it impossible for some "citizens" to get passports and still be 100% constitutional. Of course the constitution that said "Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia" was voted after the Albanians in Kosova were not allowed to vote:
"Serbia’s moral authority on the issue hit a new low in October when the 1.5m ethnic Albanian residents of the province were denied the right to vote in a deeply flawed constitutional referendum that declared Kosovo an integral part of Serbia." (Biden in 2007)
Is this behaviour OK for you serbian poster? Aren't K-Albs your citizens?
Why they don't want Albanians? For the same they didn't want Serbs, FYROM-ans or Bosnians until now, you must fulfill the criteria (border control, fight against crime, police checks etc.) In kosova it's a bit harder since half of people are under 28 years old and they will migrate. Romania and Bulgaria accepted conditions as well.
An extra year or even 5 will not kill us, but Serbia just recognized Kosova indirectly.
I always said that the main reason the EU was is so vehemently pro K_albanian independence is to control their travel into Europe. And eventually to deport the illegal albanians back to Kosovo. This is proof.
We all get it, but it seems the Albanians are the last ones to get it (or just will never get it). The reason they want Kosovo and Albania to exist is to send them back there and limit their numbers in Western Europe. It says a lot when Germans equate Albanians with Turks...
--"What I see from here is called discrimination.
Anyway, it is up to you Albanians to decide whether you like to be treated like this or not? Is it worthy or not?"
Nice try Biljana, only if we could accept Serbia as our state, we'd be in heaven.
Over 1 Million Albanians from Albania are immigrants already, and in most cases a "garanci" gives their family and cousins visas. Talking about discrimination, why is Serbia only now getting a chance? How did you feel for the past 20 years? Albania for example, only this year put the people in a computerized database, and Kosova still hasn't a list of citizens. Once the conditions are met, visas will be removed as well. A year or two more is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
I can't help but to wonder what the real reason some powerful Western countries supported an independent Kosovo? Was it to prevent Albanians from leaving Kosovo and also creating a place to send them back to? If one reads between the lines that's how it appears to be.
(MikeC, 22 May 2009 16:30)
I am not trying to pick on you, but as an example it's good that you are finding a "positive" twist on this that could serve your "cause".
(Note the quotation on positive and cause, because neither one of them is actually true from my perspective).
Soon you will also put a similar positive twist on Serbia's recognition of K-Independence. After all that's what we all want.
I can see the political twist that Serbian government will give to this.
It will be something in the reams of:
“Serbian State will be issuing passports to all of its citizens (including Kosovo Albanians) that are confirmed to be Serbian citizen”.
That way the EU is happy and the people in Serbia will be left happy “believing” that “Kosovo is still Serbia”.
Once they get used to that idea the next bombshell will come in the reams of:
“Serbian State will issue passports to all of it citizens (including Kosovo) that are confirmed to be Serbian citizen (with emphasis on dual citizenship Serbs of Kosovo).
In all the honesty why would we need Serbian passports anyway?
We have our passports.
What does Serbian passport offer that Kosovo passport does not?
Please don’t say visa liberalization since Serbian passport still does not provide that and nobody knows when will do.
Therefore: no difference.
Also please don’t say travel to Russia (oh boy what do we do now???).
At the present Kosovo passport is recognised by all the countries that are of any importance for Kosovar’s.
Just one more note:
Do you guys remember when Serbia did not allow entry to Serbia anybody that had a Kosovo stamp in their passports!
What happened to that?
I guess the fact that people found other routes and the fact that petrol stations in Serbia felt a bit of revenue loss changed the stance didn’t it?
Finally Serbia recognizes Kosovos independence indirectly. Yeahhhh
@Dave
This means nothing, is just that Kosovo is not ready yet after the war to travel withouth visas we need time but even if it means no free travel to Europe for the next 50-100 years we are fine by that as long as we are not under Serbian boot.
By the way, nobody needs Serbian passport, Kosovar passport get Schengen visa easy.
(Olf
Not quite true Olf!
I don’t know how many foreign embassies or consulates are there in Pristina at the moment, and I don’t know in how many of them you actually tried to apply for visa, but I have a bit different news and a bit of different nature but still much related to Kosovo passports and visa issue. I don’t know is this 100% true but I heard it from an Albanian family from Kosovo residing in Finland.
That family that I happened to know, encountered problem in Finland when the family members wanted transfer of their permanent Finnish visa from Serbian passport into Kosovo passport.
Believe it or not, this family was denied visa transfer with little or no explanation at all by the officials dealing with visas.
Basically they were told that officially Kosovo passport is recognised but unofficially passport is actually not recognised yet. Rightfully, the members of the family were furious.
That family told me as well that some K-Albanians encountered exactly the same problem in Austria, and now K-Albanian Diaspora is wondering have they being tricked?
You see where the problem is now and it is not funny at all? Once when Serbian passport expire or ceased to be valid(and Albanians are denied the right to apply for new one) many K-Albanians will have problems to transfer their visas into Kosovo passports. Their once legal status in foreign country will basically become illegal, at this point.
So, I don’t see how this can be easy for the Albanians?
On the contrary, it is very unfair and uneasy situation.
Another question that came to my mind after reading the requirements from the EU (for putting Serbia in that white list), is why Albania is not yet on white list, or how come that it did not find itself on the positive list next to FRY Macedonia in the latest visa abolishment’s assessment.
I mean, Albania recently joined NATO and in my opinion made huge sacrifices to serve their EU and USA masters as best as they can and yet those masters did not award Albania with the slightest hope of acceptance such as free travelling. Your boys from Albania will go to serve in lousy and completely failed missions in Afghanistan and Iraq and die instead of the boys from USA and EU, and yet will be still denied right to travel freely, at least around the Europe.
What I see from here is called discrimination.
Anyway, it is up to you Albanians to decide whether you like to be treated like this
or not?
Is it worthy or not?
To me, this is humiliation of worst kind.
But,hey, keep cheereing Biden and tost to his honour coz really amuses me much!
I promise you miri that if the Serbian people one day decide to recognize an independent Kosovo you will not have any problems with that, I swear to God. I'm only one person and I don't want to control the majority with my rhetoric if their wish is different from mine. But, until Serbs recognize Kosovo I'll continue to come here and say what I want to say.
I think it is more than obvious what is going on here, and Biljana summed it up quite well.
Almost everyone inn Kosovo (and albania) is unemployed, except the people servicing Camp Bondsteel, and almost everyone there is muslim. The last thing Europe wants is to be flooded by unemployed, uneducated, albanian muslims, many of whom are into drug and human trafficking. This is why they are putting impossible restrictions on the albanians to get Serbian passports.
In other words, while Germans don't like Serbs, they respect us, and don't mind grabbing our engineers, computer programmers, and our best brains to help out their economy. Germans love albanians, but they don't want their country flooded with them to put further strain on their bankrupt economy. Yes, they love albanians as long as they stay out of their country, and at the same time try to damage Serbia further. That, my friends, is the truth of the matter, and it is very, very obvious if you just open your eyes.
Most things in life come down to simple cost/benefit analysis.The benefit of 7 million people in Serbia proper having unrestricted travel into the EU seems to be outweighing the cost of allowing 2 million undocumentable Albanians to take advantage of Serbian paasports and travel to countries where they are obviously not welcome.
With this "better late than never" approach with the Serbian government, it's doing the right thing. This will really show the world who the invaders really are.
This is NOT acknowledgement of recognition. The albanians supported this illegal act, they should be responsible & accountable for their birth-right citizens, not Serbia. It was stupid in the first place for Serbia to allow albanians to apply for passports & grant them this luxury.
You claim to be albanian - use your own birth certificate/passport & be proud of who you are - leave us alone & stop your acts of terrorism, scare tactics & threats (as well as destruction of OUR holy land). We don't need nor care to have any relations with people that do not respect us.
The numerous illegal acts as well as hiding behind the UN, EU & US will not go unnoticed any longer.
Bganon,
Maybe you are right my jokes stink sometimes, but goes without saying, you as a Belgrader would object any negative suggestion towards town.
Anyhow you emphasis seem IJC seems to me to highlights the inability or your government to think long-term.
On his address to UN meeting back in March Lamberto Zannier stated that although slow, a significant number of Kosova Serbs had applied and been issued with Kosovar passports. We can suggest that this might be indirectly an adoption of Kosovan statehood by the same Serbs that live in Kosova.
As for the latest measure, if it turns to be true it would mean only one thing; your government will on principal apply the same measure to Kosova Serbs, (not issue them with Serb passports), which can only push them more towards adopting a Kosovar identity/ statehood.
Again if that’s the case, it would gradually bring an end to this differential dealings with Serbs, where it is claimed that Serbs south of Iber have to comply and those in the north can choose not to.
All the evidence points out towards a consolidation of Kosovar state, it is such a shame that those jokers in prishtina are not taking full advantage.
A, while it is true that the serbian authorities had some pressure on the albanians back then, the fact remains that the serbs had experienced a cultural genocide in kosovo and metohija. In fact, between 1961 and 1989, some 200,000 serbs have been forced to leave the province, as tito's autonomy grants resulted in the albanianization of the province. This same period had an increase in corruption and a fall in the standard of living in kosovo, though that may be attributed to the booming population of albanians. But, the school system in kosovo stagnated. IT became inadequate, something totally primitive. In the medical department they used names in albanian, instead of in latin as all of the world does. In school they did not have serbocroatian, the main national language as mandatory to learn. To top things off, the albanian university specialized in the arts, in albanian literature - a huge waste of resources because A) such degress did not give jobs, and B) technical training was in far greater need than arts and humanities. Technical training was needed for the development of the province, but the albanian authorities said no, they did not care. They abused their power, and abused the 16 billion dollar investment that serbia put into kosovo and metohija. Shame and incompetence!!! All in all, the DS would gain from giving the albanians passports. In fact if the Albanians participated in democracy, then the pro-West parties would always have been in power. In fact, Milosevic's party would never have controlled government. Talk about abuse of albanians, no, I want to talk about their refusal to participate in democracy. They could have owned the serbian government if they did that.
village-bey I think that joke was in bad taste really.
And as you might know its not at all unusual for Albanians to come to Belgrade for medical treatment.
I do wonder how wise it is to not issue Kosovo Albanians passports. Personally speaking I've always been in favour of granting Kosovo Albanians full rights as Serbian citizens.
And I have to agree with the observation here that this might have something to do with a deal worked out with EU officials. Its not nice to say but they don't really want more immigrants from poorer parts of Europe - particularly if they believe (whether right or not) that members of this population may involve themselves with crime in their host country.
In conclusion there is one thing I didn't think of. How will this affect the case at the ICJ? From a Serbian perspective it would be extremely foolish to prejudice this case, far better to wait until a verdict is given.
Recognition is not required for EU integration---the joke of the century. Of course the play on words is Serbia only has to abandon its claim on Kosovo--Is that an easier pill to swallow??
"As for the latest measure, if it turns to be true it would mean only one thing; your government will on principal apply the same measure to Kosova Serbs, (not issue them with Serb passports), which can only push them more towards adopting a Kosovar identity/ statehood.
Again if that’s the case, it would gradually bring an end to this differential dealings with Serbs, where it is claimed that Serbs south of Iber have to comply and those in the north can choose not to.
All the evidence points out towards a consolidation of Kosovar state, it is such a shame that those jokers in prishtina are not taking full advantage.
(village-bey, 23 May 2009 10:26)"
village-bey,
your analogy overlooked a critical point which destroys it. K-Serbs see themselves as Serbian citizens and likewise Belgrade sees them as such too. They are therefore entitled to Serbian passports. Even the Ahtisaari plans accepted their entitlement to dual citizenship.
No one can therefore legally deny K-Serbs of Serbian or "Kosova" passports if they should choose to want them.
I just wanted to point out that the article says that no more serbian passports will be issued to kosovo albanians. It does not say that no more that no more serbian passports will be issued to kosovo serbs, roma, gorani, vlachs, turks, and other non-albanian Serbian citizens in kosovo.
Actually this is quite fair -
why should kosovo albanians enjoy the privledge of having Serbian passports, when they support terrorism against serbs, seperatism from serbia, and are actively engaging in the destruction of serbian churches, cultural shrines, and even gravesites?
“Nice try Biljana, only if we could accept Serbia as our state, we'd be in heaven.”
Agim USA
-No, Agim, you wouldn’t be in heaven as Serbs them selves are not in heaven but
I do not see how you can be in heaven ever after such discriminatory requirements
from the EU.
“Talking about discrimination, why is Serbia only now getting a chance?”
-I never said Serbia wasn’t discriminated. Even worse, the EU and USA are trying to
humiliate and break Serbia in every possible way by applying policy of double standards and when it comes to all
kind of requirements. Not to mention bizarre blackmails, etc..However, Serbia still stands firm and thus not kneel before the EU and USA masters. Of course, we do fulfil certain obligations which is normal, but still there are some things that we cannot accept even if that means no visa, no EU. And that is fine with me.
We Serbs (though some do)do not go around and cheer EU and USA leaders and believe it or not
EU and USA is pretty much despised by the Serbs. Sure, there are some young people delighted by the EU but they will grow up and eventually understand what kind of creation the EU is.
There are some politicians as well who are trying so hardly to push us in EU and NATO at any costs (like that is going to solve all our problems) but I believe that these politicians
do not enjoy the trust of the majority.
Besides, do I need to mention that Serbia is not NATO member (nor will ever be) but Albania is NATO member and still locked in the cage?
Albanians are ready to give thier youngsters and die for the EU and USA,and they still get nothing in return.
What I see from here is called discrimination.
Anyway, it is up to you Albanians to decide whether you like to be treated like this
or not?
Is it worthy or not?
To me, this is humiliation of worst kind.
But,hey, keep cheereing Biden and tost to his honour coz really amuses me much!
(Biljana, 22 May 2009 20:08)
Humiliation???
There are more Kosovar Albanians working, living and studying in EU and USA than we could ever dream off. They hate us so much that they gave to all of us Citizenships, and the right to call us their own.
Please explain to me.
WHERE IS THE HUMILIATION??
How long does a Serbian citizen wait for a visa???
24 hrs?? I CAN SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT..
"FYI: Getting in NATO is seen as a huge victory in the Balkans, your territory is secure and your army will be modernized. If Serbia was in NATO nothing would have happened, and now that Albania is, Kosova is safe by extension. Sending 200 soldiers to Afghanistan is nothing.
(AgIm, 23 May 2009 23:15) "
Nsto admitted Albania, NOT "Kosova". And in case you didn't notice, not all Nato members recognized Kosovo's UDI. They are obliged to defend Albania not "Kosova".
As for sending troops to Afghanistan, do you think the US will be content with just 200 Albanian troops with the situation there deteriorating by the day? Get real!
I'm not sure EU is really trying to keep Kosovo out. It sound to me that they are treating Kosovo as a different entity. If Serbia agrees to that, it means that kosovar albanians are no more serbian citizens. Still another bump for Serbia in her fight for Kosovo. The actual serb government sounds a little idealistic and lacking a sens of reality
"Albanians are ready to give thier youngsters and die for the EU and USA,and they still get nothing in return."
We got Kosova recognition and NATO helped us since 1999. Small thing, eh? Serbia hasn't gotten visas yet, read the report: for one it must patrol the border in North Kosova and be constructive with EULEX more. Do you hear Tadic or Jeremic talking about 6 points? Why not?
Albania and Kosova still haven't fulfilled the conditions yet so the comparison is invalid. Tadic begged Biden and agreed with the conditions so you might get some good news.
FYI: Getting in NATO is seen as a huge victory in the Balkans, your territory is secure and your army will be modernized. If Serbia was in NATO nothing would have happened, and now that Albania is, Kosova is safe by extension. Sending 200 soldiers to Afghanistan is nothing.
Yes Biljana you're right, there is a discrimination and we agree on it! Nobody should need visa to travel the world!! But look, you make some mistakes when you talk about Nato and being in the white list of schengen visa. They are not the same thing and they're not even related since we are talking about 2 totally different entities in their composition, purpose etc. So, this kind of comparation is wrong. What the commenters here forget, is that a country is made by people and politicians, and most of the times politicians are not willing to follow the interest of the people even if they should.. In this case the Albanian governement has failed to follow the albanian people ineterest (the free - moving)and this is very very disgusting (primarly for us albanians). But I sincerely don't understand in which way this issue was related to the argument of the article.
Wasn't it about Serbia not issueing passports to albanians from Kosovo (why should they if Kosovo is independent??) Can you explain me what does this have to do with Albania not being in the white list of Schengen??
WHAT about those folks who work overseas using the Serbian Passport? Not sure if Afghanistan has recognized the passport or Kuwait. I know that UAE but is it so hard to get a Kosovo passport you have to wait forever unless you pay a bribe to speed up the process. See what happens when you have independence everyone wants everything for free.
God riddance! We don't want those passports, for now we have our own, which are good in the major countries of the WEST, where we want to go. Now you can stop preaching that dogma about Albanians being citizens of Serbia and what not. This is an informal way of Serbia recognizing that Kosova is gone forever. I guess Biden's visit had some impact on Serbia after all.
“In order to comply with all the rules we’ll introduce, Albanians from Kosovo will have to fill in thousands of documents and have to travel from Kosovo to Belgrade about ten times,”
I don’t see why not. Albanians are always looking for excuses to visit Belgrade. See the sights, big city lights and all that. So great is the urge that they sometimes find their way up north even dead and on back of refrigerator trucks.
I can't help but to wonder what the real reason some powerful Western countries supported an independent Kosovo? Was it to prevent Albanians from leaving Kosovo and also creating a place to send them back to? If one reads between the lines that's how it appears to be.
I thin'k is no problem with passports for Albanians from kosovo. They have their own country and they don't need serbian passports, because they seceded from Serbia.
"The daily’s source states that following consultations with the European Commission over problems that Schengen agreement signatories were having with illegal immigration from Kosovo, it was decided that Serbia should find a model to prevent any more passports being issued to Kosovo Albanians."
And I read so often posts on B92 that the EU welcomes K-Albanians with open arms? No?
Ask yourselves, Team Albania: why is the EU so desperate to keep you out that they will push through these extreme and discriminatory measures? And what does this say about your prospects for joining the EU, or will you simply end up as a sad red indian reservation in the Balkans, with a fence of hostile bureaucracy around it.
--" Danas’s source states that efforts are being made to find a model that would guarantee compliance with the Constitution and law, but that would also make it virtually impossible for Kosovo Albanians to continue receiving Serbian passports."
Only in Serbia this can actually be serious. Make it impossible for some "citizens" to get passports and still be 100% constitutional. Of course the constitution that said "Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia" was voted after the Albanians in Kosova were not allowed to vote:
"Serbia’s moral authority on the issue hit a new low in October when the 1.5m ethnic Albanian residents of the province were denied the right to vote in a deeply flawed constitutional referendum that declared Kosovo an integral part of Serbia." (Biden in 2007)
Is this behaviour OK for you serbian poster? Aren't K-Albs your citizens?
Why they don't want Albanians? For the same they didn't want Serbs, FYROM-ans or Bosnians until now, you must fulfill the criteria (border control, fight against crime, police checks etc.) In kosova it's a bit harder since half of people are under 28 years old and they will migrate. Romania and Bulgaria accepted conditions as well.
An extra year or even 5 will not kill us, but Serbia just recognized Kosova indirectly.
Finally Serbia recognizes Kosovos independence indirectly. Yeahhhh
@Dave
This means nothing, is just that Kosovo is not ready yet after the war to travel withouth visas we need time but even if it means no free travel to Europe for the next 50-100 years we are fine by that as long as we are not under Serbian boot.
If Serbia is not going to issue K-Albanians passports that means that Belgrade is saying that they are no longer citizens of Serbia and that Kosovo is de facto independent.
I always said that the main reason the EU was is so vehemently pro K_albanian independence is to control their travel into Europe. And eventually to deport the illegal albanians back to Kosovo. This is proof.
By the way, nobody needs Serbian passport, Kosovar passport get Schengen visa easy.
(Olf
Not quite true Olf!
I don’t know how many foreign embassies or consulates are there in Pristina at the moment, and I don’t know in how many of them you actually tried to apply for visa, but I have a bit different news and a bit of different nature but still much related to Kosovo passports and visa issue. I don’t know is this 100% true but I heard it from an Albanian family from Kosovo residing in Finland.
That family that I happened to know, encountered problem in Finland when the family members wanted transfer of their permanent Finnish visa from Serbian passport into Kosovo passport.
Believe it or not, this family was denied visa transfer with little or no explanation at all by the officials dealing with visas.
Basically they were told that officially Kosovo passport is recognised but unofficially passport is actually not recognised yet. Rightfully, the members of the family were furious.
That family told me as well that some K-Albanians encountered exactly the same problem in Austria, and now K-Albanian Diaspora is wondering have they being tricked?
You see where the problem is now and it is not funny at all? Once when Serbian passport expire or ceased to be valid(and Albanians are denied the right to apply for new one) many K-Albanians will have problems to transfer their visas into Kosovo passports. Their once legal status in foreign country will basically become illegal, at this point.
So, I don’t see how this can be easy for the Albanians?
On the contrary, it is very unfair and uneasy situation.
Another question that came to my mind after reading the requirements from the EU (for putting Serbia in that white list), is why Albania is not yet on white list, or how come that it did not find itself on the positive list next to FRY Macedonia in the latest visa abolishment’s assessment.
I mean, Albania recently joined NATO and in my opinion made huge sacrifices to serve their EU and USA masters as best as they can and yet those masters did not award Albania with the slightest hope of acceptance such as free travelling. Your boys from Albania will go to serve in lousy and completely failed missions in Afghanistan and Iraq and die instead of the boys from USA and EU, and yet will be still denied right to travel freely, at least around the Europe.
What I see from here is called discrimination.
Anyway, it is up to you Albanians to decide whether you like to be treated like this
or not?
Is it worthy or not?
To me, this is humiliation of worst kind.
But,hey, keep cheereing Biden and tost to his honour coz really amuses me much!
We all get it, but it seems the Albanians are the last ones to get it (or just will never get it). The reason they want Kosovo and Albania to exist is to send them back there and limit their numbers in Western Europe. It says a lot when Germans equate Albanians with Turks...
I can't help but to wonder what the real reason some powerful Western countries supported an independent Kosovo? Was it to prevent Albanians from leaving Kosovo and also creating a place to send them back to? If one reads between the lines that's how it appears to be.
(MikeC, 22 May 2009 16:30)
I am not trying to pick on you, but as an example it's good that you are finding a "positive" twist on this that could serve your "cause".
(Note the quotation on positive and cause, because neither one of them is actually true from my perspective).
Soon you will also put a similar positive twist on Serbia's recognition of K-Independence. After all that's what we all want.
Most things in life come down to simple cost/benefit analysis.The benefit of 7 million people in Serbia proper having unrestricted travel into the EU seems to be outweighing the cost of allowing 2 million undocumentable Albanians to take advantage of Serbian paasports and travel to countries where they are obviously not welcome.
With this "better late than never" approach with the Serbian government, it's doing the right thing. This will really show the world who the invaders really are.
This is NOT acknowledgement of recognition. The albanians supported this illegal act, they should be responsible & accountable for their birth-right citizens, not Serbia. It was stupid in the first place for Serbia to allow albanians to apply for passports & grant them this luxury.
You claim to be albanian - use your own birth certificate/passport & be proud of who you are - leave us alone & stop your acts of terrorism, scare tactics & threats (as well as destruction of OUR holy land). We don't need nor care to have any relations with people that do not respect us.
The numerous illegal acts as well as hiding behind the UN, EU & US will not go unnoticed any longer.
“Nice try Biljana, only if we could accept Serbia as our state, we'd be in heaven.”
Agim USA
-No, Agim, you wouldn’t be in heaven as Serbs them selves are not in heaven but
I do not see how you can be in heaven ever after such discriminatory requirements
from the EU.
“Talking about discrimination, why is Serbia only now getting a chance?”
-I never said Serbia wasn’t discriminated. Even worse, the EU and USA are trying to
humiliate and break Serbia in every possible way by applying policy of double standards and when it comes to all
kind of requirements. Not to mention bizarre blackmails, etc..However, Serbia still stands firm and thus not kneel before the EU and USA masters. Of course, we do fulfil certain obligations which is normal, but still there are some things that we cannot accept even if that means no visa, no EU. And that is fine with me.
We Serbs (though some do)do not go around and cheer EU and USA leaders and believe it or not
EU and USA is pretty much despised by the Serbs. Sure, there are some young people delighted by the EU but they will grow up and eventually understand what kind of creation the EU is.
There are some politicians as well who are trying so hardly to push us in EU and NATO at any costs (like that is going to solve all our problems) but I believe that these politicians
do not enjoy the trust of the majority.
Besides, do I need to mention that Serbia is not NATO member (nor will ever be) but Albania is NATO member and still locked in the cage?
Albanians are ready to give thier youngsters and die for the EU and USA,and they still get nothing in return.
I can see the political twist that Serbian government will give to this.
It will be something in the reams of:
“Serbian State will be issuing passports to all of its citizens (including Kosovo Albanians) that are confirmed to be Serbian citizen”.
That way the EU is happy and the people in Serbia will be left happy “believing” that “Kosovo is still Serbia”.
Once they get used to that idea the next bombshell will come in the reams of:
“Serbian State will issue passports to all of it citizens (including Kosovo) that are confirmed to be Serbian citizen (with emphasis on dual citizenship Serbs of Kosovo).
In all the honesty why would we need Serbian passports anyway?
We have our passports.
What does Serbian passport offer that Kosovo passport does not?
Please don’t say visa liberalization since Serbian passport still does not provide that and nobody knows when will do.
Therefore: no difference.
Also please don’t say travel to Russia (oh boy what do we do now???).
At the present Kosovo passport is recognised by all the countries that are of any importance for Kosovar’s.
Just one more note:
Do you guys remember when Serbia did not allow entry to Serbia anybody that had a Kosovo stamp in their passports!
What happened to that?
I guess the fact that people found other routes and the fact that petrol stations in Serbia felt a bit of revenue loss changed the stance didn’t it?
A, while it is true that the serbian authorities had some pressure on the albanians back then, the fact remains that the serbs had experienced a cultural genocide in kosovo and metohija. In fact, between 1961 and 1989, some 200,000 serbs have been forced to leave the province, as tito's autonomy grants resulted in the albanianization of the province. This same period had an increase in corruption and a fall in the standard of living in kosovo, though that may be attributed to the booming population of albanians. But, the school system in kosovo stagnated. IT became inadequate, something totally primitive. In the medical department they used names in albanian, instead of in latin as all of the world does. In school they did not have serbocroatian, the main national language as mandatory to learn. To top things off, the albanian university specialized in the arts, in albanian literature - a huge waste of resources because A) such degress did not give jobs, and B) technical training was in far greater need than arts and humanities. Technical training was needed for the development of the province, but the albanian authorities said no, they did not care. They abused their power, and abused the 16 billion dollar investment that serbia put into kosovo and metohija. Shame and incompetence!!! All in all, the DS would gain from giving the albanians passports. In fact if the Albanians participated in democracy, then the pro-West parties would always have been in power. In fact, Milosevic's party would never have controlled government. Talk about abuse of albanians, no, I want to talk about their refusal to participate in democracy. They could have owned the serbian government if they did that.
I promise you miri that if the Serbian people one day decide to recognize an independent Kosovo you will not have any problems with that, I swear to God. I'm only one person and I don't want to control the majority with my rhetoric if their wish is different from mine. But, until Serbs recognize Kosovo I'll continue to come here and say what I want to say.
village-bey I think that joke was in bad taste really.
And as you might know its not at all unusual for Albanians to come to Belgrade for medical treatment.
I do wonder how wise it is to not issue Kosovo Albanians passports. Personally speaking I've always been in favour of granting Kosovo Albanians full rights as Serbian citizens.
And I have to agree with the observation here that this might have something to do with a deal worked out with EU officials. Its not nice to say but they don't really want more immigrants from poorer parts of Europe - particularly if they believe (whether right or not) that members of this population may involve themselves with crime in their host country.
In conclusion there is one thing I didn't think of. How will this affect the case at the ICJ? From a Serbian perspective it would be extremely foolish to prejudice this case, far better to wait until a verdict is given.
I just wanted to point out that the article says that no more serbian passports will be issued to kosovo albanians. It does not say that no more that no more serbian passports will be issued to kosovo serbs, roma, gorani, vlachs, turks, and other non-albanian Serbian citizens in kosovo.
Actually this is quite fair -
why should kosovo albanians enjoy the privledge of having Serbian passports, when they support terrorism against serbs, seperatism from serbia, and are actively engaging in the destruction of serbian churches, cultural shrines, and even gravesites?
--"What I see from here is called discrimination.
Anyway, it is up to you Albanians to decide whether you like to be treated like this or not? Is it worthy or not?"
Nice try Biljana, only if we could accept Serbia as our state, we'd be in heaven.
Over 1 Million Albanians from Albania are immigrants already, and in most cases a "garanci" gives their family and cousins visas. Talking about discrimination, why is Serbia only now getting a chance? How did you feel for the past 20 years? Albania for example, only this year put the people in a computerized database, and Kosova still hasn't a list of citizens. Once the conditions are met, visas will be removed as well. A year or two more is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
WHAT about those folks who work overseas using the Serbian Passport? Not sure if Afghanistan has recognized the passport or Kuwait. I know that UAE but is it so hard to get a Kosovo passport you have to wait forever unless you pay a bribe to speed up the process. See what happens when you have independence everyone wants everything for free.
"As for the latest measure, if it turns to be true it would mean only one thing; your government will on principal apply the same measure to Kosova Serbs, (not issue them with Serb passports), which can only push them more towards adopting a Kosovar identity/ statehood.
Again if that’s the case, it would gradually bring an end to this differential dealings with Serbs, where it is claimed that Serbs south of Iber have to comply and those in the north can choose not to.
All the evidence points out towards a consolidation of Kosovar state, it is such a shame that those jokers in prishtina are not taking full advantage.
(village-bey, 23 May 2009 10:26)"
village-bey,
your analogy overlooked a critical point which destroys it. K-Serbs see themselves as Serbian citizens and likewise Belgrade sees them as such too. They are therefore entitled to Serbian passports. Even the Ahtisaari plans accepted their entitlement to dual citizenship.
No one can therefore legally deny K-Serbs of Serbian or "Kosova" passports if they should choose to want them.
I think it is more than obvious what is going on here, and Biljana summed it up quite well.
Almost everyone inn Kosovo (and albania) is unemployed, except the people servicing Camp Bondsteel, and almost everyone there is muslim. The last thing Europe wants is to be flooded by unemployed, uneducated, albanian muslims, many of whom are into drug and human trafficking. This is why they are putting impossible restrictions on the albanians to get Serbian passports.
In other words, while Germans don't like Serbs, they respect us, and don't mind grabbing our engineers, computer programmers, and our best brains to help out their economy. Germans love albanians, but they don't want their country flooded with them to put further strain on their bankrupt economy. Yes, they love albanians as long as they stay out of their country, and at the same time try to damage Serbia further. That, my friends, is the truth of the matter, and it is very, very obvious if you just open your eyes.
Bganon,
Maybe you are right my jokes stink sometimes, but goes without saying, you as a Belgrader would object any negative suggestion towards town.
Anyhow you emphasis seem IJC seems to me to highlights the inability or your government to think long-term.
On his address to UN meeting back in March Lamberto Zannier stated that although slow, a significant number of Kosova Serbs had applied and been issued with Kosovar passports. We can suggest that this might be indirectly an adoption of Kosovan statehood by the same Serbs that live in Kosova.
As for the latest measure, if it turns to be true it would mean only one thing; your government will on principal apply the same measure to Kosova Serbs, (not issue them with Serb passports), which can only push them more towards adopting a Kosovar identity/ statehood.
Again if that’s the case, it would gradually bring an end to this differential dealings with Serbs, where it is claimed that Serbs south of Iber have to comply and those in the north can choose not to.
All the evidence points out towards a consolidation of Kosovar state, it is such a shame that those jokers in prishtina are not taking full advantage.
What I see from here is called discrimination.
Anyway, it is up to you Albanians to decide whether you like to be treated like this
or not?
Is it worthy or not?
To me, this is humiliation of worst kind.
But,hey, keep cheereing Biden and tost to his honour coz really amuses me much!
(Biljana, 22 May 2009 20:08)
Humiliation???
There are more Kosovar Albanians working, living and studying in EU and USA than we could ever dream off. They hate us so much that they gave to all of us Citizenships, and the right to call us their own.
Please explain to me.
WHERE IS THE HUMILIATION??
How long does a Serbian citizen wait for a visa???
24 hrs?? I CAN SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT..
Recognition is not required for EU integration---the joke of the century. Of course the play on words is Serbia only has to abandon its claim on Kosovo--Is that an easier pill to swallow??
"Albanians are ready to give thier youngsters and die for the EU and USA,and they still get nothing in return."
We got Kosova recognition and NATO helped us since 1999. Small thing, eh? Serbia hasn't gotten visas yet, read the report: for one it must patrol the border in North Kosova and be constructive with EULEX more. Do you hear Tadic or Jeremic talking about 6 points? Why not?
Albania and Kosova still haven't fulfilled the conditions yet so the comparison is invalid. Tadic begged Biden and agreed with the conditions so you might get some good news.
FYI: Getting in NATO is seen as a huge victory in the Balkans, your territory is secure and your army will be modernized. If Serbia was in NATO nothing would have happened, and now that Albania is, Kosova is safe by extension. Sending 200 soldiers to Afghanistan is nothing.
I'm not sure EU is really trying to keep Kosovo out. It sound to me that they are treating Kosovo as a different entity. If Serbia agrees to that, it means that kosovar albanians are no more serbian citizens. Still another bump for Serbia in her fight for Kosovo. The actual serb government sounds a little idealistic and lacking a sens of reality
"FYI: Getting in NATO is seen as a huge victory in the Balkans, your territory is secure and your army will be modernized. If Serbia was in NATO nothing would have happened, and now that Albania is, Kosova is safe by extension. Sending 200 soldiers to Afghanistan is nothing.
(AgIm, 23 May 2009 23:15) "
Nsto admitted Albania, NOT "Kosova". And in case you didn't notice, not all Nato members recognized Kosovo's UDI. They are obliged to defend Albania not "Kosova".
As for sending troops to Afghanistan, do you think the US will be content with just 200 Albanian troops with the situation there deteriorating by the day? Get real!
Yes Biljana you're right, there is a discrimination and we agree on it! Nobody should need visa to travel the world!! But look, you make some mistakes when you talk about Nato and being in the white list of schengen visa. They are not the same thing and they're not even related since we are talking about 2 totally different entities in their composition, purpose etc. So, this kind of comparation is wrong. What the commenters here forget, is that a country is made by people and politicians, and most of the times politicians are not willing to follow the interest of the people even if they should.. In this case the Albanian governement has failed to follow the albanian people ineterest (the free - moving)and this is very very disgusting (primarly for us albanians). But I sincerely don't understand in which way this issue was related to the argument of the article.
Wasn't it about Serbia not issueing passports to albanians from Kosovo (why should they if Kosovo is independent??) Can you explain me what does this have to do with Albania not being in the white list of Schengen??
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