The Kingdom of Bahrain in the Persian Gulf has become the 60th country in the world to recognize Kosovo's unilateral independence, the state agency BNA reports.
"However, the number of countries recognizing Kosovo keeps growing, so it's always a positive number. Meantime, the number of recognitions increases while the number of non-recognitions stays the same. It's an overall plus for Kosovo since we got new countries to recognize us while Serbia can't get any new countries to side with them.
(pilaf, 22 May 2009 15:54)"
This math wizard must be living on a different planet. How can the number of recognitions grow and the number of non-recognitions (also always a positive number) stays the same if the number of countries on this planet stays the same (unless I have recently missed some other DI's)? We will have to see what will happen when the ICJ will decide that the Kosovo UDI was illegal and countries will start withdrawing their recognitions. In that case the number of countries that side with Serbia will go up and the number for Kosovo will go down with the same amount (both positive numbers). Please let some EU money be invested in some basic education to avoid these kinds of embarrassing pro-Kosovo postings.
"If Spain, Romania, Slovakia, Cyprus and Greece will still refuse Kosovo "independence" - Yes that's mean "forever"."
The number of countries who are siding with Serbia on this issue doesn't change. We all know who the countries that will not recognize Kosovo are. That's a constant.
However, the number of countries recognizing Kosovo keeps growing, so it's always a positive number. Meantime, the number of recognitions increases while the number of non-recognitions stays the same. It's an overall plus for Kosovo since we got new countries to recognize us while Serbia can't get any new countries to side with them.
the only thing which is obvious is the clear fact that the (pro-) Serbian users on that page always came up with the same meaningless chat whenever another country recogizes reality. Or maybe you can explain me why some here emphasizes that (still) most countries didn't recognize reality yet. Who are those countries? North Korea, Russia and up to yesterday Bahrein. Unfortunately for the Serbian side, Bahrein is one of the richest nations in that region. So celebrate the fact that Iran, Syria and Simbabwe didn't recognize Kosovo.
(Berkeley, 21 May 2009 13:42)
Ah yes, the old long discredited neo-con 'Axis of Evil' argument being spun again. Anyone who backs Serbia is undemocratic, evil dictatorships, yadda yadda yadda while those who back Pristina are good. With us or against us, Good or Evil. What rubbish. Do I have to keep telling you this that some of the US allies in the Middle East like Egypt have continually backed Serbia since day 1 as have South Africa, Indonesia and India. You are increasingly sounding like a broken record. Its really pathetic. Lumping democratic states in with North Korea, Zimbabwe (note correct spelling) and Iran who are themselves totally incompatable is unbelievable. Do the Albanians on this site believe the lies that their yellow press is spinning, arguments that are being laughed at in mainstream sober media in the West?
I have a friend from Zimbabwe and I have spoken to him about the comments on this website about his country and he's absolutley disgusted. He's no friend of Mugabe either.
The EU is a bureaucracy, and the bureaucracy has started its familiar routine for preparing a new candidate for admission. This is something they know how to do. (For cracking politicians' heads together to make them see sense you need to bring in the Americans.)
Today the appropriate people signed the Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance which gives Kosovo 60 million euros for projects supporting integration. (It would have been better if they'd opened a small factory, but bureaucrats have their own ideas about how to spend money.)
So what if it takes a while? Accession is a slow process in the best of cases, and who can tell what will happen in by the time they've jumped through all the blue-and-gold hoops? By that time, Serbia may be begging them to join.
And? Do you think, Bahrain's wealth will convince Serbs?
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(Ataman, 21 May 2009 17:59)
No, but I'm sure it will re-ignite the World-wide Anti-Serb Conspiracy, because only political pressure and bribary can be the reason why countries recognize Kosovo, and not a sense of realism. I wonder why Simbabwe, North Korea, etc. cannot be bribed. Must be because of their outstanding position regarding human rights, written in the international law.
And? Do you think, Bahrain's wealth will convince Serbs? Most recognitions so far were product of arm-twisting and bribery. Albanians even acknowledge it proudly.
(Ataman, 21 May 2009 17:59)
Do you think that Albanians care if Serbs are convinced or not? All they have to do is to convince other countries, that's all.
The more time it passes the more an independent Kosovo becomes a reality, and more and more countries will recognize. Everyone realized that this is the most stable form of peacefull existence for the whole region.
Just curious, why all of this excitement from Albanians about being recognized by 2 countries each no bigger than a postal stamp. And another thing, whether or not the international law breakers hold seventy percent of the world GDP is irrelevent, and I really cant understand why Albanians keep bringing this up. You relying on the merits of others, which makes no sense. The kosovo terrorist fake states contribution to the worlds GDP is absolutely nothing. In fact Kosovo Albanians are nothing more than a welfare colony comprising of one giant lawless ghetto. Also even though the narco fake terrorist state of kosovo has received 60 recognitions, the governments who recognize them represent only approx. 15 percent of the worlds population. Those are the hard facts, and this is actually quite pathetic considering how much effort, time, and money the American Empire has wasted trying to legitimize their puppet state. KOSOVO JE SRBIJA.
Unfortunately for the Serbian side, Bahrein is one of the richest nations in that region.
(Berkeley, 21 May 2009 13:42)
And? Do you think, Bahrain's wealth will convince Serbs? Most recognitions so far were product of arm-twisting and bribery. Albanians even acknowledge it proudly.
Denis,
Northern Kosovo Mitrovica will never be a part of an Albanian Kosovo. It absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. Let's look at this logically. Kosovo declared independence as the majority of Kosovo is Albanian. The Albanians said they don't want to live under Serbian rule. The West backed this move. Now let's look at K.Mitrovica. It's a Serbian dominated area (north of the Ibar). Those Serbs don't want to live under Kosovo Albanian rule. So, what's the difference? How can you and other Albanian supporters believe it's OK for Kosovo to break away from Serbia yet K.Mitrovica must stay in Kosovo? There is absolutely no logic in that at all. The only solution will come when the Serbs and Albanians sit at the negotiating table and work this out. Although Kosovo did get another recognition bring the total to 60, it's been over a year now and there are still only 60 recognitions. That's really not that good at all. What's even more shocking is the small number of Muslim countries that support an independent Kosovo. Serbia will not recognize Kosovo and as long as it doesn't Kosovo will have trouble internationally; it will not be able to join the UN. You may believe that's not important, but it really is. Negotiation is the only answer.
the only thing which is obvious is the clear fact that the (pro-) Serbian users on that page always came up with the same meaningless chat whenever another country recogizes reality. Or maybe you can explain me why some here emphasizes that (still) most countries didn't recognize reality yet. Who are those countries? North Korea, Russia and up to yesterday Bahrein. Unfortunately for the Serbian side, Bahrein is one of the richest nations in that region. So celebrate the fact that Iran, Syria and Simbabwe didn't recognize Kosovo.
10 years full of pleasure...
For Albanian has been more than 10 year of pleasure..
from 1999 Bombing Serbia the occupier to 2008 independence to major powerful countries recognizing it. 10 YEAR OF PLEASURE....THANKS GOOD
You did study Russian, but there is a funny saying not that well-known:
"На безрыбие и рак рыба" = "If there is fish shortage, the crayfish is regarded as a fish"
So if there is no independence - these pathetic recognitions ARE the pleasure? You just confirmed, what is obvious.
I won't bet on that - but there is a certain chance, that ICJ will show K-Albanians "где раки зимуют" (where the crayfish hides in winter). An other crayfish saying in Russian.... you guys better to learn how pronounce - just in case. ;)
It really amuzes me how the Albanians celebrate every recognition by a American colony or island you never heard of.
It shows their desperation combined with the constant attacks on our brilliant FM Jeremic.
Their leaders 1 1/2 years in every opportunity like to stress how our province is "independent",total desperation.
They perfectly know that Serbian integrity is still valid according to 1244(all Albanians hate this number),that all international organizations are forever blocked by our powerful allies and that this has been only cemented by the recognition of Abkhazia by Russia and other countries.
We managed to turn it into a black hole with no future,de facto occupied(let the KFOR deal with them)de jure Serbian and we will keep it that way.
King of Bahrain: "President Obama, we want to buy weapons, lots of weapons. What can you offer us that the Russians and Chinese cannot?"
President Obama: "We can first of all offer that you kingdom will not be mentioned in the next Amnesty International report on human right abuses and we will not ask you to modernize your country".
King of Bahrain: "That sounds good."
President Obama: "However, on top of that I can give you a 15% discount if you agree to recognize Kosovo's UDI"
King of Bahrain: "Kosovo, what is that"
President Obama: "It is officially a province of Serbia, a sovereign and proud country in south eastern Europe and a UN member. However, it is also a UN/NATO/EU protectorate. We created it to build a big military base on The Balkans to piss off the Russians. It is actually a pain in the head. It costs too much money and the majority of Albanians there, well how should I phrase it. They are odd. In addition, we thought it would be a good idea to create an Islamic state on Christian soil to kind of compensate for hammering all your Muslim brothers and sisters around the world and for occupying some countries in your region".
King of Bahrain: "We rather have you finally create a Palestinian State here. You know that most Muslim countries do not like this idea. It is not good for the image of Islam. In addition, those Balkan Muslims do not follow the Muslim diet very carefully and they do not appreciate all the mosques that countries from my region are building there."
President Obama: "I understand. But do we have a deal"
King of Bahrain: "OK, we have a deal. But I want to keep the option open to withdraw our support for, what is that place called?"
President Obama: "Kosovo"
King of Bahrain: "Kosovo, right. We will withdraw our support if your little pet project will not work out."
President Obama: "That is fine. I do not believe in it myself but I got it inherited from Bush and Joe Biden seems to take it very personal. It has to do with some business agreement he had and has with Americans who came from that part of Europe. anyway, thank you King for your help and I will make sure that the weapons will come your way ASAP"
King of Bahrain: "Thank you President Obama, it is always nice doing business with your country and with the weak dollar and the increasing oil prices we always get excited as little children when we get a good deal".
Congratulations with another bought recognition. In the end it is not going to help you!
UNMIK and serbia worked out the 6 point plan, and not EULEX. You keep saying over and over UNMIK, 1244, and you never aknoledged eulex untill this last coment. What happened, all of sudden change of mind?
Stick with your ideals and you will get a lot of respect regardless of opposing views.
(Kosova-USA, 20 May 2009 18:27)
You have obviously forgotten that EULEX is working under UN instructions. This means they take order from UN.
Me thinks it you who is mxed up.
I sat with with a large number of colleagues today over a cup of caj. As usual they were dressed in their crisp white 'Thobes' and a mix of gutra styles.
I motioned that I was surprised that Bahrain had recognised Kosovo bearing in mind they have their own internal problems with the majority shia community demanding more autonomy from the Sunni Royalty.
The response was not what I expected.....What's Kosovo???
I gave these mostly USA university educated people a quick rundown and still they had never heard of Kosovo (only Yugoslavia). Funny thing is though is that the day before the recognition there was a high profile USA diplomatic visit to the American 5th Fleet which is based here in Bahrain and they met with the Bahrain Foreign Minister....Maybe it was brown envelope time!
Also I got all the local papers today and there was not even a mention. Only on the government news agency website.
So all the hoo haa's in Kosovo and the people of Bahrain don't even know who they are. I mentioned that the majority of the population of Kosovo were ethnic Albanians to which they replied..."Dirty Muslims".
"...lets keep going. let's see, who shall be next? how about my beloved bosnia :)) one of these days.
cheers!
roberto
frisco
Don't forget to recognize Republica Srpska before your Bosna recognizes Kosovo :)
Yes, one of these days freedom will come for RS and Dodik will liberate the Serbian people.
I heard someone mention that Russia and China would veto Kosovo´s entrance to UN. Once a country reaches 100 recognitions, it really doesn´t matter whether they are members of UN or not. At that point it becomes clear that Kosovo is not a member only because of Russia´s and China´s veto. I doubt China and Russia would like to be singled out by the 80 percent of the world over Serbia.
"The explicit language of the report confirms the status neutrality of EULEX's engagement, which is a guarantee that no part of its mandate can be devoted to the implementation of the Ahtisaari Plan..."
"EULEX will fully respect Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999) and operate under the overall authority and within the status-neutral framework of the United Nations," Ban Ki-moon said in the report to the UN Security Council. By working within the framework of the resolution, the mission in Kosovo will not imply any recognition of the territory's independence." (AFP)
It's funny, when Argentina, Venezuela, Algeria and India voice their displeasure and refuse to recognize Kosovo, Albanians say "Who cares about them, they are nothing".
But when the great nations of Marshall Islands, Micronesia and now Bahrain recognize Kosovo, its "all hail Bahrain".
This is great news, #60, which i already saw on a neighboring site. so congratulations to all in the "province" (pls give it a break) and to all of our frnds and allies around the world.
what i was noticing -- had it all happened at once, the excitement would have long died down, old news, old hat... but very ironically, our adversaries have managed to stretchhhh out the recognitions, the excitement and the pleasure of independence. it's just another case of doing the best with what you have, with the circumstances...
A wonderful feeling, and lets keep going. let's see, who shall be next? how about my beloved bosnia :)) one of these days.
We cannot blame Bahrain, (not ''behrein'') for any such act.
This island country only has its own independence less than 40 years from UK.
Besides, you can tell they have no clue about Kosovo whatsoever. Cultural ties?
Serbia was invaded by Turks, not by Arabs. Cultural ''ties'' are as limited as they are with Serbia.
Thank you Bahrain for your recognition of Kosovo's independence. I say it not because my country (Canada) is supposed to have recognized Kosovo's independence,my beliefs are said from the bottom of my heart. With regards to some Arab governments that allegedly won't recognize Kosovo's independence,I understand why some ethnic Albanians feel irritated that some predominantly Muslim nations don't recognize Kosovo but thankfully there are some Muslims nations that do recognize Kosovo's independence.
What does this mean? There will be a long stalemate. It looks like Joe Biden is coming around to the Obama doctrine; he cannot follow his old world view. Now he may say something different to Kosovo's Albanians to appease them, but his message to Serbia was very strong.
(Daniel, 20 May 2009 17:48)
I beg to disagree. There will make no sense for Biden or any other to press Serbia to recognize Kosovo.
The best solution in the Balkans is reached, Kosovo is not ruled by Serbia any longer, nor is part of it, thus the conflict is removed. Serbia does not have to recognize Kosovo and it has to be satisfied with this only.
On the other hand Kosovo is pushing ahead as an independet state. Every day it goes by it's consolidating its institusions and state. US and the west is helping with the recognition process.
Kosovo just started to build an army and when this process is complete it will be all over.
However, Kosovo should stay away from any ethnic conflict, maybe by even giving up Mitrovica, and focus on its economic development process.
That's worth a try - the UN Secretary General just appointed Bill Clinton as a special representative to try to do something about getting their economy going. Maybe they'll soon start feeling grateful and try to think of some way to reciprocate.
Yes! Eulex is in control NOT ALBANIANS! Now that's a big difference. By the way, didn't albanians reject the 6 point plan offered by Eulex? A plan which is now applied in the North?
(MikeC, 20 May 2009 17:58)
UNMIK and serbia worked out the 6 point plan, and not EULEX. You keep saying over and over UNMIK, 1244, and you never aknoledged eulex untill this last coment. What happened, all of sudden change of mind?
Stick with your ideals and you will get a lot of respect regardless of opposing views.
yet again we read the gloatings and juvenile musings of pro Kosovans-sounding as always like the defeated who see their vanquisher being told off by an elderly realative, whilst they themselves stand behind the safety of a large wall.
The simple fact, however, is that Serbia is laying itself open to this type of ridicule because the actions and words of its politicians (when they bother to go to Parliament) suggest that rebuilding the morale ans self esteem of the Serbian people remains low on the list of their priorities. It is up to Serbians to put themselves back into a position of economic and moral strength so that they will not be so vulnerable to the whims of Russia/US/EU?anyone else who cares to interfere.
At present the Kosovans are able to laugh and pour scorn because the EU/IS has given them a green light, not because of any significant achievement beyond the talents, most of which, as we well know, remain illegal in most other countries.
"EULEX is slowly controlling/monitoring NORTH of Kosovo.
It is over. No more lawless in North."
Maks
Yes! Eulex is in control NOT ALBANIANS! Now that's a big difference. By the way, didn't albanians reject the 6 point plan offered by Eulex? A plan which is now applied in the North?
While Kosovo got it's newest recognition today, an important message was delivered to Serbia by US vice President Joe Biden; "The United States does not, I emphasise, does not expect Serbia to recognise the independence of Kosovo," Biden told a joint Belgrade media conference with Serbia's pro-Western President Boris Tadic.
"It is not a precondition for our relationship or our support for Serbia becoming part of the European Union."
Biden, the most senior US official to visit Serbia since Jimmy Carter came to the then Yugoslav republic as president in 1980, said the Obama administration wanted to repair ties frayed with Belgrade over US support for Kosovo's split from the Balkan country.
"We can agree to disagree provided that we have reasonable expectations for one another," he said of the Kosovo dispute. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHYv1mbcRAHU5GuFHpgicMpjMSLA
What does this mean? There will be a long stalemate. It looks like Joe Biden is coming around to the Obama doctrine; he cannot follow his old world view. Now he may say something different to Kosovo's Albanians to appease them, but his message to Serbia was very strong.
Congratulations Kosova! Recognotion from an other Arab country after Saudi Arabia. The landscape is changing slowly.
Also if for Serbia the holding-out of non-recognition by only one country, Russia is enough why all these nervousness?
"Western diplomats have told the Kosovar government "over and over," according to one Belgrade-based diplomat, that a nonviolent return of Mitrovica is unrealistic."
A solution without negotiation!
(MikeC, 20 May 2009 12:34)
Based on those links provided, your clock has been stuck on February 2008.
My friend, world has moved on now and it has been over a year that EULEX is slowly controlling/monitoring NORTH of Kosovo.
It is over. No more lawless in North.
I'll say it for the umpteenth time Albanians, count countries all you want. Until the Russians and Chinese say yes in the UN, no status there. No Spain or Greece, no EU status. Just ask the Macedonians how one country can make life a mess...
It is amusing to see your attempts to try and spin the two recognitions as unimportant. You try to grab on to a few sadistic regimes like China and Venezuela, and try to pretend that the number of recognitions going up doesn't matter. "Like scoring goals after the game has ended you call it". But let me ask you...if these recognitions don't matter, why is Jeremic flying all over the world to try and rpevent people from recognizing, and failing miserably at it? Why did Serbia seek an advisory opinion at the ICJ? Just because you can't reach the grapes, doesn't mean that they are sour my friends. I know its dispiriting to see recognitions every week, but it is what it is, and sooner or later reality will again hit Serbia right in the face like it has in the past many times. The thing that's pitiful, is that Serbs never seem to get the message and cling on to 500 year old dreams and philosophies which have never born fruit. Albanians and other on the other hand, are much more pragmatic, and instead of standing by so that "history avenges them", they take matters into their own hand and work with every fiber of their body to achieve their goals.
Congratulations to our dear Kosovo! Slowly but surely, we are getting there.
To those who blindly believe that Russia or China can block Kosovo's eventual membership in the UN, I would like to point out a thing called a Uniting for Peace Resolution. Look it up.
I did not tell you only my opinion about the inevitable partition of Kosovo but what experts are saying. Yes, even your masters believe in partition. It is just the reality on the ground. You have to understand that people can't be forced to accept a solution they were not part of creating. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
I promise you 100% that most Serbs in Kosovo, primarily the North, won't have anything do to with the illegal Kosovo institutions. If you can't accept this then you should try and take the North by force. Of course this is not something you are capable of so we have a frozen conflict. As soon as the US gets tired and leave, fighting will break out.
So what if Albanians are divided! So are the Serbs in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia.
as long as we can pay, that is a good thing. We don't need to go and beg people, we buy them.
regards from Kosova
(F.S., 20 May 2009 11:51
Cute, thanks for admitting. ICJ should read what you write.
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One thing to know about the Arab governments, is that they have no principles!
(Chris, 20 May 2009 14:08)
Yep, their only principle is "baksheesh, shaheeb". No wonder, some of them are among the most repressive countries. Stray dogs are treated better in Belgrade than female citizens of some Arab countries.
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Thank you Bahrein and thank you Union of Comoros!.Muslim borhters.
(NoolaV, 20 May 2009 11:49)
Yes, agree, that's music to my ears.
Just in case - good medicine against insanity:
http://tinyurl.com/rcgdyj
http://tinyurl.com/pth2pm
Inshallah, one does feel much better after trying all that out.
There were so many comments on this site on how the Arab world would never recognize Kosovo as they have been traditionaly friends of Serbia. Well, I guess you were all wrong! One thing to know about the Arab governments, is that they have no principles!
@F.S.: if only you paid it, my dear, ...but stating that you are paying for the bribery is just a bad joke, given that the K-albanian heavily depend on foreign aid, and all these little coconut-islands and autocratic desert-oases make you so happy? well then, what will you do, when the last tiny micro-state is done...?
what will you be living of? you do not seriously expect the western world to pay endlessly for your so-called "independence", do you?
anyway, being financed by others and having such a big mouth, is certainly no sign of maturity.
Serbia will prevail anyway, the question is will you be ready to finally understand that there is no way for you to change international law...?
sooner or later, you will be disappointed.
... and Bahrain or Coconut-Island won´t help you then, that´s something you can count on.
remember, you live in Serbia. and Bahrain is far away...
as for these violent phantasies one of our dear albanian friends had to write down: don´t worry, we won´t have to fight another war, especially not against the world!
phrases like that only prove how little you seem to understand of foreign relations and the strenght of the law.
“By the way how much was the Comoros Islands paid off?
(Niall O'Doherty, 20 May 2009 10:49)”
Maybe you can answer to that question or even to the one of falsely accusing Mr. Pacolli of having bribed Maldives. It is strange however even for the news agencies which once publish a story of corruption or bribery and when the investigation on that matter shows that there was nothing to support those accusations, the same agencies never publishes these findings. See this link, you have two or three comments there:
And now see this one also, and after having read, reflect a bit on your comments on the previous link.
http://www.minivannews.com/news_detail.php?id=6467
The most important thing is that Russia and China will veto any change to UNSRC 1244 where it is stated that Kosovo is Serbia.
Spain and other countries in the EU are sure.
@Nehat
Yeah right,Russia and China will rush to recognize because Biden says so hahaha...
Russia has sealed its veto with the recognition of Abkhazia and Ossetia.
Why would they now legalize "Kosovo" it would only look them as the perpetrators,now they can point their fingers at the US.
Last years war and its consequences was the best thing that could happen to us Serbs.
The missile shield will be developed anyway,that is why the Russians are developing their own(S-400 and S-500).
Personally I think there will be another 20 or so recognitions by countries you never heard off or where the Americans have their bases and thats it.
The most important thing is that Russia and China(the superpower of tommorow)and other big shots (Brazil,India)are on our side and will stay while on your side is the US and Europe!The other small colonies have to listen to what the big ones say...
When someone is in a wrong way we say "stay in the same horse and perhaps you will get to the house you want"
Mr.Mike I will repeat to you that neither Independence is irreversible nor partition of Kosova are possible.
I promise you my dear Mike that for this century this won't happen 100%.
Remember Albanians are divided in: Greece, Macedonia, Kosova, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro. Any moves toward western Kosova directly will affect all these.
Remember one more fact that next 10 years Albanians in Albania won't like to enter EU like Croatia!!! Even more important is the fact that only Albania and Greece is in NATO concerning these partitions you mentioned.
Albanians are about 8 milions, look again.
Oh, wow! TWO major players at the world stage has recognized Kosovo. I guess Serbs better give it up now. You actually believe that one recognition every 4 months changes reality on the ground? The fact is that Kosovo will be partitioned. Not what anyone wants but that's what will happen. Not even Bahrains powerfull recognition will change that.
"The reality is that the north is lost to Kosovo, just as Kosovo is lost to Serbia," argues former US diplomat James Hooper.
"Western diplomats have told the Kosovar government "over and over," according to one Belgrade-based diplomat, that a nonviolent return of Mitrovica is unrealistic."
It's like Pink Floyd's song: "Show must go on". The number of recognizition progresively increase and I don't think that's a highlight news anymore, just a normal proces which will end with UN seat by the end of this year.
Slowly slowly the members of Arab League and Muslims world are making their choices also on the passports side there are news of countries that haven't recognized but accept the Kosovar documents..
The main thing anyway is Eu and here while Greece -Romania and Slowakia are taking a low profile stance to their NO-to-Kosova decision, Spain is increasing his anti-Kosova rethoric (why is still remainig in EULEX ?? )...
As i have always said Spain will be the main problem for all Eu countries regarding the Kosova issue...
Wow, Kosovo is catching up to Palestine in the number of recognitions. To bad it's not going to make any difference unless Serbia agrees and we all know that's not going to happen.
Independence is irreversibly blocked regardless of how many recognitions it gets because it won't get the crucial ones. It's like scoring goals after the game has ended - they don't really matter do they?
60TH. and V.P Biden statment in Sarajevo was as exiting "there is no going back for Kosovo, it took us 400 years to get here, and now Kosovo is an integral part of the Balkans as an independent state" vp biden.
I wonder how long it will take for Russia to recognise Kosovo after the recent statements, saying that if the US removes the missile shields in Poland then Russia will recognise Kosovo. That is the ice breaker and it will be a matter of months before Russia recognises Kosovo.
That said; what does Serbia do then, recognise or fights the world again, and we all know what happened then
Thank you Bahrain. 1-2 recognitions a month are good enough for Kosova. By the end of 2010 we'll have around 110-120 recognitions.
Thank you once again.
Congrats Bahrain!, you are now just another place that didnt have the guts to stand up against western bullying and bribary. far be it from us serbs to stand in the way of the west's attempts to urinate all over the international laws they enforce upon everyone but themselves.
Recognitions don't change international law, ill be looking forward to the lawsuits serbia is going to file against the US and the rest of those sock puppets.
Thank you Bahrain. 1-2 recognitions a month are good enough for Kosova. By the end of 2010 we'll have around 110-120 recognitions.
Thank you once again.
It's like Pink Floyd's song: "Show must go on". The number of recognizition progresively increase and I don't think that's a highlight news anymore, just a normal proces which will end with UN seat by the end of this year.
60TH. and V.P Biden statment in Sarajevo was as exiting "there is no going back for Kosovo, it took us 400 years to get here, and now Kosovo is an integral part of the Balkans as an independent state" vp biden.
I wonder how long it will take for Russia to recognise Kosovo after the recent statements, saying that if the US removes the missile shields in Poland then Russia will recognise Kosovo. That is the ice breaker and it will be a matter of months before Russia recognises Kosovo.
That said; what does Serbia do then, recognise or fights the world again, and we all know what happened then
Slowly slowly the members of Arab League and Muslims world are making their choices also on the passports side there are news of countries that haven't recognized but accept the Kosovar documents..
The main thing anyway is Eu and here while Greece -Romania and Slowakia are taking a low profile stance to their NO-to-Kosova decision, Spain is increasing his anti-Kosova rethoric (why is still remainig in EULEX ?? )...
As i have always said Spain will be the main problem for all Eu countries regarding the Kosova issue...
It is amusing to see your attempts to try and spin the two recognitions as unimportant. You try to grab on to a few sadistic regimes like China and Venezuela, and try to pretend that the number of recognitions going up doesn't matter. "Like scoring goals after the game has ended you call it". But let me ask you...if these recognitions don't matter, why is Jeremic flying all over the world to try and rpevent people from recognizing, and failing miserably at it? Why did Serbia seek an advisory opinion at the ICJ? Just because you can't reach the grapes, doesn't mean that they are sour my friends. I know its dispiriting to see recognitions every week, but it is what it is, and sooner or later reality will again hit Serbia right in the face like it has in the past many times. The thing that's pitiful, is that Serbs never seem to get the message and cling on to 500 year old dreams and philosophies which have never born fruit. Albanians and other on the other hand, are much more pragmatic, and instead of standing by so that "history avenges them", they take matters into their own hand and work with every fiber of their body to achieve their goals.
Congratulations to our dear Kosovo! Slowly but surely, we are getting there.
To those who blindly believe that Russia or China can block Kosovo's eventual membership in the UN, I would like to point out a thing called a Uniting for Peace Resolution. Look it up.
The most important thing is that Russia and China will veto any change to UNSRC 1244 where it is stated that Kosovo is Serbia.
Spain and other countries in the EU are sure.
@Nehat
Yeah right,Russia and China will rush to recognize because Biden says so hahaha...
Russia has sealed its veto with the recognition of Abkhazia and Ossetia.
Why would they now legalize "Kosovo" it would only look them as the perpetrators,now they can point their fingers at the US.
Last years war and its consequences was the best thing that could happen to us Serbs.
The missile shield will be developed anyway,that is why the Russians are developing their own(S-400 and S-500).
Personally I think there will be another 20 or so recognitions by countries you never heard off or where the Americans have their bases and thats it.
The most important thing is that Russia and China(the superpower of tommorow)and other big shots (Brazil,India)are on our side and will stay while on your side is the US and Europe!The other small colonies have to listen to what the big ones say...
When someone is in a wrong way we say "stay in the same horse and perhaps you will get to the house you want"
Mr.Mike I will repeat to you that neither Independence is irreversible nor partition of Kosova are possible.
I promise you my dear Mike that for this century this won't happen 100%.
Remember Albanians are divided in: Greece, Macedonia, Kosova, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro. Any moves toward western Kosova directly will affect all these.
Remember one more fact that next 10 years Albanians in Albania won't like to enter EU like Croatia!!! Even more important is the fact that only Albania and Greece is in NATO concerning these partitions you mentioned.
Albanians are about 8 milions, look again.
“By the way how much was the Comoros Islands paid off?
(Niall O'Doherty, 20 May 2009 10:49)”
Maybe you can answer to that question or even to the one of falsely accusing Mr. Pacolli of having bribed Maldives. It is strange however even for the news agencies which once publish a story of corruption or bribery and when the investigation on that matter shows that there was nothing to support those accusations, the same agencies never publishes these findings. See this link, you have two or three comments there:
And now see this one also, and after having read, reflect a bit on your comments on the previous link.
http://www.minivannews.com/news_detail.php?id=6467
"Western diplomats have told the Kosovar government "over and over," according to one Belgrade-based diplomat, that a nonviolent return of Mitrovica is unrealistic."
A solution without negotiation!
(MikeC, 20 May 2009 12:34)
Based on those links provided, your clock has been stuck on February 2008.
My friend, world has moved on now and it has been over a year that EULEX is slowly controlling/monitoring NORTH of Kosovo.
It is over. No more lawless in North.
Yes! Eulex is in control NOT ALBANIANS! Now that's a big difference. By the way, didn't albanians reject the 6 point plan offered by Eulex? A plan which is now applied in the North?
(MikeC, 20 May 2009 17:58)
UNMIK and serbia worked out the 6 point plan, and not EULEX. You keep saying over and over UNMIK, 1244, and you never aknoledged eulex untill this last coment. What happened, all of sudden change of mind?
Stick with your ideals and you will get a lot of respect regardless of opposing views.
Wow, Kosovo is catching up to Palestine in the number of recognitions. To bad it's not going to make any difference unless Serbia agrees and we all know that's not going to happen.
Independence is irreversibly blocked regardless of how many recognitions it gets because it won't get the crucial ones. It's like scoring goals after the game has ended - they don't really matter do they?
Oh, wow! TWO major players at the world stage has recognized Kosovo. I guess Serbs better give it up now. You actually believe that one recognition every 4 months changes reality on the ground? The fact is that Kosovo will be partitioned. Not what anyone wants but that's what will happen. Not even Bahrains powerfull recognition will change that.
"The reality is that the north is lost to Kosovo, just as Kosovo is lost to Serbia," argues former US diplomat James Hooper.
"Western diplomats have told the Kosovar government "over and over," according to one Belgrade-based diplomat, that a nonviolent return of Mitrovica is unrealistic."
Congratulations Kosova! Recognotion from an other Arab country after Saudi Arabia. The landscape is changing slowly.
Also if for Serbia the holding-out of non-recognition by only one country, Russia is enough why all these nervousness?
Congrats Bahrain!, you are now just another place that didnt have the guts to stand up against western bullying and bribary. far be it from us serbs to stand in the way of the west's attempts to urinate all over the international laws they enforce upon everyone but themselves.
Recognitions don't change international law, ill be looking forward to the lawsuits serbia is going to file against the US and the rest of those sock puppets.
@F.S.: if only you paid it, my dear, ...but stating that you are paying for the bribery is just a bad joke, given that the K-albanian heavily depend on foreign aid, and all these little coconut-islands and autocratic desert-oases make you so happy? well then, what will you do, when the last tiny micro-state is done...?
what will you be living of? you do not seriously expect the western world to pay endlessly for your so-called "independence", do you?
anyway, being financed by others and having such a big mouth, is certainly no sign of maturity.
Serbia will prevail anyway, the question is will you be ready to finally understand that there is no way for you to change international law...?
sooner or later, you will be disappointed.
... and Bahrain or Coconut-Island won´t help you then, that´s something you can count on.
remember, you live in Serbia. and Bahrain is far away...
as for these violent phantasies one of our dear albanian friends had to write down: don´t worry, we won´t have to fight another war, especially not against the world!
phrases like that only prove how little you seem to understand of foreign relations and the strenght of the law.
Thank you Bahrain for your recognition of Kosovo's independence. I say it not because my country (Canada) is supposed to have recognized Kosovo's independence,my beliefs are said from the bottom of my heart. With regards to some Arab governments that allegedly won't recognize Kosovo's independence,I understand why some ethnic Albanians feel irritated that some predominantly Muslim nations don't recognize Kosovo but thankfully there are some Muslims nations that do recognize Kosovo's independence.
This is great news, #60, which i already saw on a neighboring site. so congratulations to all in the "province" (pls give it a break) and to all of our frnds and allies around the world.
what i was noticing -- had it all happened at once, the excitement would have long died down, old news, old hat... but very ironically, our adversaries have managed to stretchhhh out the recognitions, the excitement and the pleasure of independence. it's just another case of doing the best with what you have, with the circumstances...
A wonderful feeling, and lets keep going. let's see, who shall be next? how about my beloved bosnia :)) one of these days.
It's funny, when Argentina, Venezuela, Algeria and India voice their displeasure and refuse to recognize Kosovo, Albanians say "Who cares about them, they are nothing".
But when the great nations of Marshall Islands, Micronesia and now Bahrain recognize Kosovo, its "all hail Bahrain".
yet again we read the gloatings and juvenile musings of pro Kosovans-sounding as always like the defeated who see their vanquisher being told off by an elderly realative, whilst they themselves stand behind the safety of a large wall.
The simple fact, however, is that Serbia is laying itself open to this type of ridicule because the actions and words of its politicians (when they bother to go to Parliament) suggest that rebuilding the morale ans self esteem of the Serbian people remains low on the list of their priorities. It is up to Serbians to put themselves back into a position of economic and moral strength so that they will not be so vulnerable to the whims of Russia/US/EU?anyone else who cares to interfere.
At present the Kosovans are able to laugh and pour scorn because the EU/IS has given them a green light, not because of any significant achievement beyond the talents, most of which, as we well know, remain illegal in most other countries.
And? Do you think, Bahrain's wealth will convince Serbs?
[...]
(Ataman, 21 May 2009 17:59)
No, but I'm sure it will re-ignite the World-wide Anti-Serb Conspiracy, because only political pressure and bribary can be the reason why countries recognize Kosovo, and not a sense of realism. I wonder why Simbabwe, North Korea, etc. cannot be bribed. Must be because of their outstanding position regarding human rights, written in the international law.
There were so many comments on this site on how the Arab world would never recognize Kosovo as they have been traditionaly friends of Serbia. Well, I guess you were all wrong! One thing to know about the Arab governments, is that they have no principles!
I heard someone mention that Russia and China would veto Kosovo´s entrance to UN. Once a country reaches 100 recognitions, it really doesn´t matter whether they are members of UN or not. At that point it becomes clear that Kosovo is not a member only because of Russia´s and China´s veto. I doubt China and Russia would like to be singled out by the 80 percent of the world over Serbia.
I did not tell you only my opinion about the inevitable partition of Kosovo but what experts are saying. Yes, even your masters believe in partition. It is just the reality on the ground. You have to understand that people can't be forced to accept a solution they were not part of creating. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
I promise you 100% that most Serbs in Kosovo, primarily the North, won't have anything do to with the illegal Kosovo institutions. If you can't accept this then you should try and take the North by force. Of course this is not something you are capable of so we have a frozen conflict. As soon as the US gets tired and leave, fighting will break out.
So what if Albanians are divided! So are the Serbs in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia.
I'll say it for the umpteenth time Albanians, count countries all you want. Until the Russians and Chinese say yes in the UN, no status there. No Spain or Greece, no EU status. Just ask the Macedonians how one country can make life a mess...
"EULEX is slowly controlling/monitoring NORTH of Kosovo.
It is over. No more lawless in North."
Maks
Yes! Eulex is in control NOT ALBANIANS! Now that's a big difference. By the way, didn't albanians reject the 6 point plan offered by Eulex? A plan which is now applied in the North?
"The explicit language of the report confirms the status neutrality of EULEX's engagement, which is a guarantee that no part of its mandate can be devoted to the implementation of the Ahtisaari Plan..."
"EULEX will fully respect Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999) and operate under the overall authority and within the status-neutral framework of the United Nations," Ban Ki-moon said in the report to the UN Security Council. By working within the framework of the resolution, the mission in Kosovo will not imply any recognition of the territory's independence." (AFP)
"...lets keep going. let's see, who shall be next? how about my beloved bosnia :)) one of these days.
cheers!
roberto
frisco
Don't forget to recognize Republica Srpska before your Bosna recognizes Kosovo :)
Yes, one of these days freedom will come for RS and Dodik will liberate the Serbian people.
We cannot blame Bahrain, (not ''behrein'') for any such act.
This island country only has its own independence less than 40 years from UK.
Besides, you can tell they have no clue about Kosovo whatsoever. Cultural ties?
Serbia was invaded by Turks, not by Arabs. Cultural ''ties'' are as limited as they are with Serbia.
King of Bahrain: "President Obama, we want to buy weapons, lots of weapons. What can you offer us that the Russians and Chinese cannot?"
President Obama: "We can first of all offer that you kingdom will not be mentioned in the next Amnesty International report on human right abuses and we will not ask you to modernize your country".
King of Bahrain: "That sounds good."
President Obama: "However, on top of that I can give you a 15% discount if you agree to recognize Kosovo's UDI"
King of Bahrain: "Kosovo, what is that"
President Obama: "It is officially a province of Serbia, a sovereign and proud country in south eastern Europe and a UN member. However, it is also a UN/NATO/EU protectorate. We created it to build a big military base on The Balkans to piss off the Russians. It is actually a pain in the head. It costs too much money and the majority of Albanians there, well how should I phrase it. They are odd. In addition, we thought it would be a good idea to create an Islamic state on Christian soil to kind of compensate for hammering all your Muslim brothers and sisters around the world and for occupying some countries in your region".
King of Bahrain: "We rather have you finally create a Palestinian State here. You know that most Muslim countries do not like this idea. It is not good for the image of Islam. In addition, those Balkan Muslims do not follow the Muslim diet very carefully and they do not appreciate all the mosques that countries from my region are building there."
President Obama: "I understand. But do we have a deal"
King of Bahrain: "OK, we have a deal. But I want to keep the option open to withdraw our support for, what is that place called?"
President Obama: "Kosovo"
King of Bahrain: "Kosovo, right. We will withdraw our support if your little pet project will not work out."
President Obama: "That is fine. I do not believe in it myself but I got it inherited from Bush and Joe Biden seems to take it very personal. It has to do with some business agreement he had and has with Americans who came from that part of Europe. anyway, thank you King for your help and I will make sure that the weapons will come your way ASAP"
King of Bahrain: "Thank you President Obama, it is always nice doing business with your country and with the weak dollar and the increasing oil prices we always get excited as little children when we get a good deal".
Congratulations with another bought recognition. In the end it is not going to help you!
What does this mean? There will be a long stalemate. It looks like Joe Biden is coming around to the Obama doctrine; he cannot follow his old world view. Now he may say something different to Kosovo's Albanians to appease them, but his message to Serbia was very strong.
(Daniel, 20 May 2009 17:48)
I beg to disagree. There will make no sense for Biden or any other to press Serbia to recognize Kosovo.
The best solution in the Balkans is reached, Kosovo is not ruled by Serbia any longer, nor is part of it, thus the conflict is removed. Serbia does not have to recognize Kosovo and it has to be satisfied with this only.
On the other hand Kosovo is pushing ahead as an independet state. Every day it goes by it's consolidating its institusions and state. US and the west is helping with the recognition process.
Kosovo just started to build an army and when this process is complete it will be all over.
However, Kosovo should stay away from any ethnic conflict, maybe by even giving up Mitrovica, and focus on its economic development process.
I sat with with a large number of colleagues today over a cup of caj. As usual they were dressed in their crisp white 'Thobes' and a mix of gutra styles.
I motioned that I was surprised that Bahrain had recognised Kosovo bearing in mind they have their own internal problems with the majority shia community demanding more autonomy from the Sunni Royalty.
The response was not what I expected.....What's Kosovo???
I gave these mostly USA university educated people a quick rundown and still they had never heard of Kosovo (only Yugoslavia). Funny thing is though is that the day before the recognition there was a high profile USA diplomatic visit to the American 5th Fleet which is based here in Bahrain and they met with the Bahrain Foreign Minister....Maybe it was brown envelope time!
Also I got all the local papers today and there was not even a mention. Only on the government news agency website.
So all the hoo haa's in Kosovo and the people of Bahrain don't even know who they are. I mentioned that the majority of the population of Kosovo were ethnic Albanians to which they replied..."Dirty Muslims".
It really amuzes me how the Albanians celebrate every recognition by a American colony or island you never heard of.
It shows their desperation combined with the constant attacks on our brilliant FM Jeremic.
Their leaders 1 1/2 years in every opportunity like to stress how our province is "independent",total desperation.
They perfectly know that Serbian integrity is still valid according to 1244(all Albanians hate this number),that all international organizations are forever blocked by our powerful allies and that this has been only cemented by the recognition of Abkhazia by Russia and other countries.
We managed to turn it into a black hole with no future,de facto occupied(let the KFOR deal with them)de jure Serbian and we will keep it that way.
as long as we can pay, that is a good thing. We don't need to go and beg people, we buy them.
regards from Kosova
(F.S., 20 May 2009 11:51
Cute, thanks for admitting. ICJ should read what you write.
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One thing to know about the Arab governments, is that they have no principles!
(Chris, 20 May 2009 14:08)
Yep, their only principle is "baksheesh, shaheeb". No wonder, some of them are among the most repressive countries. Stray dogs are treated better in Belgrade than female citizens of some Arab countries.
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Thank you Bahrein and thank you Union of Comoros!.Muslim borhters.
(NoolaV, 20 May 2009 11:49)
Yes, agree, that's music to my ears.
Just in case - good medicine against insanity:
http://tinyurl.com/rcgdyj
http://tinyurl.com/pth2pm
Inshallah, one does feel much better after trying all that out.
While Kosovo got it's newest recognition today, an important message was delivered to Serbia by US vice President Joe Biden; "The United States does not, I emphasise, does not expect Serbia to recognise the independence of Kosovo," Biden told a joint Belgrade media conference with Serbia's pro-Western President Boris Tadic.
"It is not a precondition for our relationship or our support for Serbia becoming part of the European Union."
Biden, the most senior US official to visit Serbia since Jimmy Carter came to the then Yugoslav republic as president in 1980, said the Obama administration wanted to repair ties frayed with Belgrade over US support for Kosovo's split from the Balkan country.
"We can agree to disagree provided that we have reasonable expectations for one another," he said of the Kosovo dispute. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHYv1mbcRAHU5GuFHpgicMpjMSLA
What does this mean? There will be a long stalemate. It looks like Joe Biden is coming around to the Obama doctrine; he cannot follow his old world view. Now he may say something different to Kosovo's Albanians to appease them, but his message to Serbia was very strong.
That's worth a try - the UN Secretary General just appointed Bill Clinton as a special representative to try to do something about getting their economy going. Maybe they'll soon start feeling grateful and try to think of some way to reciprocate.
UNMIK and serbia worked out the 6 point plan, and not EULEX. You keep saying over and over UNMIK, 1244, and you never aknoledged eulex untill this last coment. What happened, all of sudden change of mind?
Stick with your ideals and you will get a lot of respect regardless of opposing views.
(Kosova-USA, 20 May 2009 18:27)
You have obviously forgotten that EULEX is working under UN instructions. This means they take order from UN.
Me thinks it you who is mxed up.
the only thing which is obvious is the clear fact that the (pro-) Serbian users on that page always came up with the same meaningless chat whenever another country recogizes reality. Or maybe you can explain me why some here emphasizes that (still) most countries didn't recognize reality yet. Who are those countries? North Korea, Russia and up to yesterday Bahrein. Unfortunately for the Serbian side, Bahrein is one of the richest nations in that region. So celebrate the fact that Iran, Syria and Simbabwe didn't recognize Kosovo.
10 years full of pleasure...
For Albanian has been more than 10 year of pleasure..
from 1999 Bombing Serbia the occupier to 2008 independence to major powerful countries recognizing it. 10 YEAR OF PLEASURE....THANKS GOOD
Just curious, why all of this excitement from Albanians about being recognized by 2 countries each no bigger than a postal stamp. And another thing, whether or not the international law breakers hold seventy percent of the world GDP is irrelevent, and I really cant understand why Albanians keep bringing this up. You relying on the merits of others, which makes no sense. The kosovo terrorist fake states contribution to the worlds GDP is absolutely nothing. In fact Kosovo Albanians are nothing more than a welfare colony comprising of one giant lawless ghetto. Also even though the narco fake terrorist state of kosovo has received 60 recognitions, the governments who recognize them represent only approx. 15 percent of the worlds population. Those are the hard facts, and this is actually quite pathetic considering how much effort, time, and money the American Empire has wasted trying to legitimize their puppet state. KOSOVO JE SRBIJA.
"However, the number of countries recognizing Kosovo keeps growing, so it's always a positive number. Meantime, the number of recognitions increases while the number of non-recognitions stays the same. It's an overall plus for Kosovo since we got new countries to recognize us while Serbia can't get any new countries to side with them.
(pilaf, 22 May 2009 15:54)"
This math wizard must be living on a different planet. How can the number of recognitions grow and the number of non-recognitions (also always a positive number) stays the same if the number of countries on this planet stays the same (unless I have recently missed some other DI's)? We will have to see what will happen when the ICJ will decide that the Kosovo UDI was illegal and countries will start withdrawing their recognitions. In that case the number of countries that side with Serbia will go up and the number for Kosovo will go down with the same amount (both positive numbers). Please let some EU money be invested in some basic education to avoid these kinds of embarrassing pro-Kosovo postings.
You did study Russian, but there is a funny saying not that well-known:
"На безрыбие и рак рыба" = "If there is fish shortage, the crayfish is regarded as a fish"
So if there is no independence - these pathetic recognitions ARE the pleasure? You just confirmed, what is obvious.
I won't bet on that - but there is a certain chance, that ICJ will show K-Albanians "где раки зимуют" (where the crayfish hides in winter). An other crayfish saying in Russian.... you guys better to learn how pronounce - just in case. ;)
And? Do you think, Bahrain's wealth will convince Serbs? Most recognitions so far were product of arm-twisting and bribery. Albanians even acknowledge it proudly.
(Ataman, 21 May 2009 17:59)
Do you think that Albanians care if Serbs are convinced or not? All they have to do is to convince other countries, that's all.
The more time it passes the more an independent Kosovo becomes a reality, and more and more countries will recognize. Everyone realized that this is the most stable form of peacefull existence for the whole region.
Denis,
Northern Kosovo Mitrovica will never be a part of an Albanian Kosovo. It absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. Let's look at this logically. Kosovo declared independence as the majority of Kosovo is Albanian. The Albanians said they don't want to live under Serbian rule. The West backed this move. Now let's look at K.Mitrovica. It's a Serbian dominated area (north of the Ibar). Those Serbs don't want to live under Kosovo Albanian rule. So, what's the difference? How can you and other Albanian supporters believe it's OK for Kosovo to break away from Serbia yet K.Mitrovica must stay in Kosovo? There is absolutely no logic in that at all. The only solution will come when the Serbs and Albanians sit at the negotiating table and work this out. Although Kosovo did get another recognition bring the total to 60, it's been over a year now and there are still only 60 recognitions. That's really not that good at all. What's even more shocking is the small number of Muslim countries that support an independent Kosovo. Serbia will not recognize Kosovo and as long as it doesn't Kosovo will have trouble internationally; it will not be able to join the UN. You may believe that's not important, but it really is. Negotiation is the only answer.
Unfortunately for the Serbian side, Bahrein is one of the richest nations in that region.
(Berkeley, 21 May 2009 13:42)
And? Do you think, Bahrain's wealth will convince Serbs? Most recognitions so far were product of arm-twisting and bribery. Albanians even acknowledge it proudly.
the only thing which is obvious is the clear fact that the (pro-) Serbian users on that page always came up with the same meaningless chat whenever another country recogizes reality. Or maybe you can explain me why some here emphasizes that (still) most countries didn't recognize reality yet. Who are those countries? North Korea, Russia and up to yesterday Bahrein. Unfortunately for the Serbian side, Bahrein is one of the richest nations in that region. So celebrate the fact that Iran, Syria and Simbabwe didn't recognize Kosovo.
(Berkeley, 21 May 2009 13:42)
Ah yes, the old long discredited neo-con 'Axis of Evil' argument being spun again. Anyone who backs Serbia is undemocratic, evil dictatorships, yadda yadda yadda while those who back Pristina are good. With us or against us, Good or Evil. What rubbish. Do I have to keep telling you this that some of the US allies in the Middle East like Egypt have continually backed Serbia since day 1 as have South Africa, Indonesia and India. You are increasingly sounding like a broken record. Its really pathetic. Lumping democratic states in with North Korea, Zimbabwe (note correct spelling) and Iran who are themselves totally incompatable is unbelievable. Do the Albanians on this site believe the lies that their yellow press is spinning, arguments that are being laughed at in mainstream sober media in the West?
I have a friend from Zimbabwe and I have spoken to him about the comments on this website about his country and he's absolutley disgusted. He's no friend of Mugabe either.
"If Spain, Romania, Slovakia, Cyprus and Greece will still refuse Kosovo "independence" - Yes that's mean "forever"."
The number of countries who are siding with Serbia on this issue doesn't change. We all know who the countries that will not recognize Kosovo are. That's a constant.
However, the number of countries recognizing Kosovo keeps growing, so it's always a positive number. Meantime, the number of recognitions increases while the number of non-recognitions stays the same. It's an overall plus for Kosovo since we got new countries to recognize us while Serbia can't get any new countries to side with them.
The EU is a bureaucracy, and the bureaucracy has started its familiar routine for preparing a new candidate for admission. This is something they know how to do. (For cracking politicians' heads together to make them see sense you need to bring in the Americans.)
Today the appropriate people signed the Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance which gives Kosovo 60 million euros for projects supporting integration. (It would have been better if they'd opened a small factory, but bureaucrats have their own ideas about how to spend money.)
So what if it takes a while? Accession is a slow process in the best of cases, and who can tell what will happen in by the time they've jumped through all the blue-and-gold hoops? By that time, Serbia may be begging them to join.
Congrats Bahrain!, you are now just another place that didnt have the guts to stand up against western bullying and bribary. far be it from us serbs to stand in the way of the west's attempts to urinate all over the international laws they enforce upon everyone but themselves.
Recognitions don't change international law, ill be looking forward to the lawsuits serbia is going to file against the US and the rest of those sock puppets.
Wow, Kosovo is catching up to Palestine in the number of recognitions. To bad it's not going to make any difference unless Serbia agrees and we all know that's not going to happen.
Independence is irreversibly blocked regardless of how many recognitions it gets because it won't get the crucial ones. It's like scoring goals after the game has ended - they don't really matter do they?
Oh, wow! TWO major players at the world stage has recognized Kosovo. I guess Serbs better give it up now. You actually believe that one recognition every 4 months changes reality on the ground? The fact is that Kosovo will be partitioned. Not what anyone wants but that's what will happen. Not even Bahrains powerfull recognition will change that.
"The reality is that the north is lost to Kosovo, just as Kosovo is lost to Serbia," argues former US diplomat James Hooper.
"Western diplomats have told the Kosovar government "over and over," according to one Belgrade-based diplomat, that a nonviolent return of Mitrovica is unrealistic."
@F.S.: if only you paid it, my dear, ...but stating that you are paying for the bribery is just a bad joke, given that the K-albanian heavily depend on foreign aid, and all these little coconut-islands and autocratic desert-oases make you so happy? well then, what will you do, when the last tiny micro-state is done...?
what will you be living of? you do not seriously expect the western world to pay endlessly for your so-called "independence", do you?
anyway, being financed by others and having such a big mouth, is certainly no sign of maturity.
Serbia will prevail anyway, the question is will you be ready to finally understand that there is no way for you to change international law...?
sooner or later, you will be disappointed.
... and Bahrain or Coconut-Island won´t help you then, that´s something you can count on.
remember, you live in Serbia. and Bahrain is far away...
as for these violent phantasies one of our dear albanian friends had to write down: don´t worry, we won´t have to fight another war, especially not against the world!
phrases like that only prove how little you seem to understand of foreign relations and the strenght of the law.
The most important thing is that Russia and China will veto any change to UNSRC 1244 where it is stated that Kosovo is Serbia.
Spain and other countries in the EU are sure.
@Nehat
Yeah right,Russia and China will rush to recognize because Biden says so hahaha...
Russia has sealed its veto with the recognition of Abkhazia and Ossetia.
Why would they now legalize "Kosovo" it would only look them as the perpetrators,now they can point their fingers at the US.
Last years war and its consequences was the best thing that could happen to us Serbs.
The missile shield will be developed anyway,that is why the Russians are developing their own(S-400 and S-500).
Personally I think there will be another 20 or so recognitions by countries you never heard off or where the Americans have their bases and thats it.
The most important thing is that Russia and China(the superpower of tommorow)and other big shots (Brazil,India)are on our side and will stay while on your side is the US and Europe!The other small colonies have to listen to what the big ones say...
as long as we can pay, that is a good thing. We don't need to go and beg people, we buy them.
regards from Kosova
(F.S., 20 May 2009 11:51
Cute, thanks for admitting. ICJ should read what you write.
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One thing to know about the Arab governments, is that they have no principles!
(Chris, 20 May 2009 14:08)
Yep, their only principle is "baksheesh, shaheeb". No wonder, some of them are among the most repressive countries. Stray dogs are treated better in Belgrade than female citizens of some Arab countries.
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Thank you Bahrein and thank you Union of Comoros!.Muslim borhters.
(NoolaV, 20 May 2009 11:49)
Yes, agree, that's music to my ears.
Just in case - good medicine against insanity:
http://tinyurl.com/rcgdyj
http://tinyurl.com/pth2pm
Inshallah, one does feel much better after trying all that out.
Thank you Bahrain. 1-2 recognitions a month are good enough for Kosova. By the end of 2010 we'll have around 110-120 recognitions.
Thank you once again.
I'll say it for the umpteenth time Albanians, count countries all you want. Until the Russians and Chinese say yes in the UN, no status there. No Spain or Greece, no EU status. Just ask the Macedonians how one country can make life a mess...
60TH. and V.P Biden statment in Sarajevo was as exiting "there is no going back for Kosovo, it took us 400 years to get here, and now Kosovo is an integral part of the Balkans as an independent state" vp biden.
I wonder how long it will take for Russia to recognise Kosovo after the recent statements, saying that if the US removes the missile shields in Poland then Russia will recognise Kosovo. That is the ice breaker and it will be a matter of months before Russia recognises Kosovo.
That said; what does Serbia do then, recognise or fights the world again, and we all know what happened then
It's like Pink Floyd's song: "Show must go on". The number of recognizition progresively increase and I don't think that's a highlight news anymore, just a normal proces which will end with UN seat by the end of this year.
"EULEX is slowly controlling/monitoring NORTH of Kosovo.
It is over. No more lawless in North."
Maks
Yes! Eulex is in control NOT ALBANIANS! Now that's a big difference. By the way, didn't albanians reject the 6 point plan offered by Eulex? A plan which is now applied in the North?
I did not tell you only my opinion about the inevitable partition of Kosovo but what experts are saying. Yes, even your masters believe in partition. It is just the reality on the ground. You have to understand that people can't be forced to accept a solution they were not part of creating. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
I promise you 100% that most Serbs in Kosovo, primarily the North, won't have anything do to with the illegal Kosovo institutions. If you can't accept this then you should try and take the North by force. Of course this is not something you are capable of so we have a frozen conflict. As soon as the US gets tired and leave, fighting will break out.
So what if Albanians are divided! So are the Serbs in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia.
It's funny, when Argentina, Venezuela, Algeria and India voice their displeasure and refuse to recognize Kosovo, Albanians say "Who cares about them, they are nothing".
But when the great nations of Marshall Islands, Micronesia and now Bahrain recognize Kosovo, its "all hail Bahrain".
There were so many comments on this site on how the Arab world would never recognize Kosovo as they have been traditionaly friends of Serbia. Well, I guess you were all wrong! One thing to know about the Arab governments, is that they have no principles!
Slowly slowly the members of Arab League and Muslims world are making their choices also on the passports side there are news of countries that haven't recognized but accept the Kosovar documents..
The main thing anyway is Eu and here while Greece -Romania and Slowakia are taking a low profile stance to their NO-to-Kosova decision, Spain is increasing his anti-Kosova rethoric (why is still remainig in EULEX ?? )...
As i have always said Spain will be the main problem for all Eu countries regarding the Kosova issue...
King of Bahrain: "President Obama, we want to buy weapons, lots of weapons. What can you offer us that the Russians and Chinese cannot?"
President Obama: "We can first of all offer that you kingdom will not be mentioned in the next Amnesty International report on human right abuses and we will not ask you to modernize your country".
King of Bahrain: "That sounds good."
President Obama: "However, on top of that I can give you a 15% discount if you agree to recognize Kosovo's UDI"
King of Bahrain: "Kosovo, what is that"
President Obama: "It is officially a province of Serbia, a sovereign and proud country in south eastern Europe and a UN member. However, it is also a UN/NATO/EU protectorate. We created it to build a big military base on The Balkans to piss off the Russians. It is actually a pain in the head. It costs too much money and the majority of Albanians there, well how should I phrase it. They are odd. In addition, we thought it would be a good idea to create an Islamic state on Christian soil to kind of compensate for hammering all your Muslim brothers and sisters around the world and for occupying some countries in your region".
King of Bahrain: "We rather have you finally create a Palestinian State here. You know that most Muslim countries do not like this idea. It is not good for the image of Islam. In addition, those Balkan Muslims do not follow the Muslim diet very carefully and they do not appreciate all the mosques that countries from my region are building there."
President Obama: "I understand. But do we have a deal"
King of Bahrain: "OK, we have a deal. But I want to keep the option open to withdraw our support for, what is that place called?"
President Obama: "Kosovo"
King of Bahrain: "Kosovo, right. We will withdraw our support if your little pet project will not work out."
President Obama: "That is fine. I do not believe in it myself but I got it inherited from Bush and Joe Biden seems to take it very personal. It has to do with some business agreement he had and has with Americans who came from that part of Europe. anyway, thank you King for your help and I will make sure that the weapons will come your way ASAP"
King of Bahrain: "Thank you President Obama, it is always nice doing business with your country and with the weak dollar and the increasing oil prices we always get excited as little children when we get a good deal".
Congratulations with another bought recognition. In the end it is not going to help you!
"The explicit language of the report confirms the status neutrality of EULEX's engagement, which is a guarantee that no part of its mandate can be devoted to the implementation of the Ahtisaari Plan..."
"EULEX will fully respect Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999) and operate under the overall authority and within the status-neutral framework of the United Nations," Ban Ki-moon said in the report to the UN Security Council. By working within the framework of the resolution, the mission in Kosovo will not imply any recognition of the territory's independence." (AFP)
We cannot blame Bahrain, (not ''behrein'') for any such act.
This island country only has its own independence less than 40 years from UK.
Besides, you can tell they have no clue about Kosovo whatsoever. Cultural ties?
Serbia was invaded by Turks, not by Arabs. Cultural ''ties'' are as limited as they are with Serbia.
yet again we read the gloatings and juvenile musings of pro Kosovans-sounding as always like the defeated who see their vanquisher being told off by an elderly realative, whilst they themselves stand behind the safety of a large wall.
The simple fact, however, is that Serbia is laying itself open to this type of ridicule because the actions and words of its politicians (when they bother to go to Parliament) suggest that rebuilding the morale ans self esteem of the Serbian people remains low on the list of their priorities. It is up to Serbians to put themselves back into a position of economic and moral strength so that they will not be so vulnerable to the whims of Russia/US/EU?anyone else who cares to interfere.
At present the Kosovans are able to laugh and pour scorn because the EU/IS has given them a green light, not because of any significant achievement beyond the talents, most of which, as we well know, remain illegal in most other countries.
It really amuzes me how the Albanians celebrate every recognition by a American colony or island you never heard of.
It shows their desperation combined with the constant attacks on our brilliant FM Jeremic.
Their leaders 1 1/2 years in every opportunity like to stress how our province is "independent",total desperation.
They perfectly know that Serbian integrity is still valid according to 1244(all Albanians hate this number),that all international organizations are forever blocked by our powerful allies and that this has been only cemented by the recognition of Abkhazia by Russia and other countries.
We managed to turn it into a black hole with no future,de facto occupied(let the KFOR deal with them)de jure Serbian and we will keep it that way.
“By the way how much was the Comoros Islands paid off?
(Niall O'Doherty, 20 May 2009 10:49)”
Maybe you can answer to that question or even to the one of falsely accusing Mr. Pacolli of having bribed Maldives. It is strange however even for the news agencies which once publish a story of corruption or bribery and when the investigation on that matter shows that there was nothing to support those accusations, the same agencies never publishes these findings. See this link, you have two or three comments there:
And now see this one also, and after having read, reflect a bit on your comments on the previous link.
http://www.minivannews.com/news_detail.php?id=6467
"Western diplomats have told the Kosovar government "over and over," according to one Belgrade-based diplomat, that a nonviolent return of Mitrovica is unrealistic."
A solution without negotiation!
(MikeC, 20 May 2009 12:34)
Based on those links provided, your clock has been stuck on February 2008.
My friend, world has moved on now and it has been over a year that EULEX is slowly controlling/monitoring NORTH of Kosovo.
It is over. No more lawless in North.
"...lets keep going. let's see, who shall be next? how about my beloved bosnia :)) one of these days.
cheers!
roberto
frisco
Don't forget to recognize Republica Srpska before your Bosna recognizes Kosovo :)
Yes, one of these days freedom will come for RS and Dodik will liberate the Serbian people.
UNMIK and serbia worked out the 6 point plan, and not EULEX. You keep saying over and over UNMIK, 1244, and you never aknoledged eulex untill this last coment. What happened, all of sudden change of mind?
Stick with your ideals and you will get a lot of respect regardless of opposing views.
(Kosova-USA, 20 May 2009 18:27)
You have obviously forgotten that EULEX is working under UN instructions. This means they take order from UN.
Me thinks it you who is mxed up.
I heard someone mention that Russia and China would veto Kosovo´s entrance to UN. Once a country reaches 100 recognitions, it really doesn´t matter whether they are members of UN or not. At that point it becomes clear that Kosovo is not a member only because of Russia´s and China´s veto. I doubt China and Russia would like to be singled out by the 80 percent of the world over Serbia.
Congratulations Kosova! Recognotion from an other Arab country after Saudi Arabia. The landscape is changing slowly.
Also if for Serbia the holding-out of non-recognition by only one country, Russia is enough why all these nervousness?
This is great news, #60, which i already saw on a neighboring site. so congratulations to all in the "province" (pls give it a break) and to all of our frnds and allies around the world.
what i was noticing -- had it all happened at once, the excitement would have long died down, old news, old hat... but very ironically, our adversaries have managed to stretchhhh out the recognitions, the excitement and the pleasure of independence. it's just another case of doing the best with what you have, with the circumstances...
A wonderful feeling, and lets keep going. let's see, who shall be next? how about my beloved bosnia :)) one of these days.
Yes! Eulex is in control NOT ALBANIANS! Now that's a big difference. By the way, didn't albanians reject the 6 point plan offered by Eulex? A plan which is now applied in the North?
(MikeC, 20 May 2009 17:58)
UNMIK and serbia worked out the 6 point plan, and not EULEX. You keep saying over and over UNMIK, 1244, and you never aknoledged eulex untill this last coment. What happened, all of sudden change of mind?
Stick with your ideals and you will get a lot of respect regardless of opposing views.
While Kosovo got it's newest recognition today, an important message was delivered to Serbia by US vice President Joe Biden; "The United States does not, I emphasise, does not expect Serbia to recognise the independence of Kosovo," Biden told a joint Belgrade media conference with Serbia's pro-Western President Boris Tadic.
"It is not a precondition for our relationship or our support for Serbia becoming part of the European Union."
Biden, the most senior US official to visit Serbia since Jimmy Carter came to the then Yugoslav republic as president in 1980, said the Obama administration wanted to repair ties frayed with Belgrade over US support for Kosovo's split from the Balkan country.
"We can agree to disagree provided that we have reasonable expectations for one another," he said of the Kosovo dispute. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHYv1mbcRAHU5GuFHpgicMpjMSLA
What does this mean? There will be a long stalemate. It looks like Joe Biden is coming around to the Obama doctrine; he cannot follow his old world view. Now he may say something different to Kosovo's Albanians to appease them, but his message to Serbia was very strong.
Thank you Bahrain for your recognition of Kosovo's independence. I say it not because my country (Canada) is supposed to have recognized Kosovo's independence,my beliefs are said from the bottom of my heart. With regards to some Arab governments that allegedly won't recognize Kosovo's independence,I understand why some ethnic Albanians feel irritated that some predominantly Muslim nations don't recognize Kosovo but thankfully there are some Muslims nations that do recognize Kosovo's independence.
It is amusing to see your attempts to try and spin the two recognitions as unimportant. You try to grab on to a few sadistic regimes like China and Venezuela, and try to pretend that the number of recognitions going up doesn't matter. "Like scoring goals after the game has ended you call it". But let me ask you...if these recognitions don't matter, why is Jeremic flying all over the world to try and rpevent people from recognizing, and failing miserably at it? Why did Serbia seek an advisory opinion at the ICJ? Just because you can't reach the grapes, doesn't mean that they are sour my friends. I know its dispiriting to see recognitions every week, but it is what it is, and sooner or later reality will again hit Serbia right in the face like it has in the past many times. The thing that's pitiful, is that Serbs never seem to get the message and cling on to 500 year old dreams and philosophies which have never born fruit. Albanians and other on the other hand, are much more pragmatic, and instead of standing by so that "history avenges them", they take matters into their own hand and work with every fiber of their body to achieve their goals.
I sat with with a large number of colleagues today over a cup of caj. As usual they were dressed in their crisp white 'Thobes' and a mix of gutra styles.
I motioned that I was surprised that Bahrain had recognised Kosovo bearing in mind they have their own internal problems with the majority shia community demanding more autonomy from the Sunni Royalty.
The response was not what I expected.....What's Kosovo???
I gave these mostly USA university educated people a quick rundown and still they had never heard of Kosovo (only Yugoslavia). Funny thing is though is that the day before the recognition there was a high profile USA diplomatic visit to the American 5th Fleet which is based here in Bahrain and they met with the Bahrain Foreign Minister....Maybe it was brown envelope time!
Also I got all the local papers today and there was not even a mention. Only on the government news agency website.
So all the hoo haa's in Kosovo and the people of Bahrain don't even know who they are. I mentioned that the majority of the population of Kosovo were ethnic Albanians to which they replied..."Dirty Muslims".
When someone is in a wrong way we say "stay in the same horse and perhaps you will get to the house you want"
Mr.Mike I will repeat to you that neither Independence is irreversible nor partition of Kosova are possible.
I promise you my dear Mike that for this century this won't happen 100%.
Remember Albanians are divided in: Greece, Macedonia, Kosova, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro. Any moves toward western Kosova directly will affect all these.
Remember one more fact that next 10 years Albanians in Albania won't like to enter EU like Croatia!!! Even more important is the fact that only Albania and Greece is in NATO concerning these partitions you mentioned.
Albanians are about 8 milions, look again.
You did study Russian, but there is a funny saying not that well-known:
"На безрыбие и рак рыба" = "If there is fish shortage, the crayfish is regarded as a fish"
So if there is no independence - these pathetic recognitions ARE the pleasure? You just confirmed, what is obvious.
I won't bet on that - but there is a certain chance, that ICJ will show K-Albanians "где раки зимуют" (where the crayfish hides in winter). An other crayfish saying in Russian.... you guys better to learn how pronounce - just in case. ;)
What does this mean? There will be a long stalemate. It looks like Joe Biden is coming around to the Obama doctrine; he cannot follow his old world view. Now he may say something different to Kosovo's Albanians to appease them, but his message to Serbia was very strong.
(Daniel, 20 May 2009 17:48)
I beg to disagree. There will make no sense for Biden or any other to press Serbia to recognize Kosovo.
The best solution in the Balkans is reached, Kosovo is not ruled by Serbia any longer, nor is part of it, thus the conflict is removed. Serbia does not have to recognize Kosovo and it has to be satisfied with this only.
On the other hand Kosovo is pushing ahead as an independet state. Every day it goes by it's consolidating its institusions and state. US and the west is helping with the recognition process.
Kosovo just started to build an army and when this process is complete it will be all over.
However, Kosovo should stay away from any ethnic conflict, maybe by even giving up Mitrovica, and focus on its economic development process.
Congratulations to our dear Kosovo! Slowly but surely, we are getting there.
To those who blindly believe that Russia or China can block Kosovo's eventual membership in the UN, I would like to point out a thing called a Uniting for Peace Resolution. Look it up.
the only thing which is obvious is the clear fact that the (pro-) Serbian users on that page always came up with the same meaningless chat whenever another country recogizes reality. Or maybe you can explain me why some here emphasizes that (still) most countries didn't recognize reality yet. Who are those countries? North Korea, Russia and up to yesterday Bahrein. Unfortunately for the Serbian side, Bahrein is one of the richest nations in that region. So celebrate the fact that Iran, Syria and Simbabwe didn't recognize Kosovo.
10 years full of pleasure...
For Albanian has been more than 10 year of pleasure..
from 1999 Bombing Serbia the occupier to 2008 independence to major powerful countries recognizing it. 10 YEAR OF PLEASURE....THANKS GOOD
Unfortunately for the Serbian side, Bahrein is one of the richest nations in that region.
(Berkeley, 21 May 2009 13:42)
And? Do you think, Bahrain's wealth will convince Serbs? Most recognitions so far were product of arm-twisting and bribery. Albanians even acknowledge it proudly.
Just curious, why all of this excitement from Albanians about being recognized by 2 countries each no bigger than a postal stamp. And another thing, whether or not the international law breakers hold seventy percent of the world GDP is irrelevent, and I really cant understand why Albanians keep bringing this up. You relying on the merits of others, which makes no sense. The kosovo terrorist fake states contribution to the worlds GDP is absolutely nothing. In fact Kosovo Albanians are nothing more than a welfare colony comprising of one giant lawless ghetto. Also even though the narco fake terrorist state of kosovo has received 60 recognitions, the governments who recognize them represent only approx. 15 percent of the worlds population. Those are the hard facts, and this is actually quite pathetic considering how much effort, time, and money the American Empire has wasted trying to legitimize their puppet state. KOSOVO JE SRBIJA.
That's worth a try - the UN Secretary General just appointed Bill Clinton as a special representative to try to do something about getting their economy going. Maybe they'll soon start feeling grateful and try to think of some way to reciprocate.
Denis,
Northern Kosovo Mitrovica will never be a part of an Albanian Kosovo. It absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. Let's look at this logically. Kosovo declared independence as the majority of Kosovo is Albanian. The Albanians said they don't want to live under Serbian rule. The West backed this move. Now let's look at K.Mitrovica. It's a Serbian dominated area (north of the Ibar). Those Serbs don't want to live under Kosovo Albanian rule. So, what's the difference? How can you and other Albanian supporters believe it's OK for Kosovo to break away from Serbia yet K.Mitrovica must stay in Kosovo? There is absolutely no logic in that at all. The only solution will come when the Serbs and Albanians sit at the negotiating table and work this out. Although Kosovo did get another recognition bring the total to 60, it's been over a year now and there are still only 60 recognitions. That's really not that good at all. What's even more shocking is the small number of Muslim countries that support an independent Kosovo. Serbia will not recognize Kosovo and as long as it doesn't Kosovo will have trouble internationally; it will not be able to join the UN. You may believe that's not important, but it really is. Negotiation is the only answer.
The EU is a bureaucracy, and the bureaucracy has started its familiar routine for preparing a new candidate for admission. This is something they know how to do. (For cracking politicians' heads together to make them see sense you need to bring in the Americans.)
Today the appropriate people signed the Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance which gives Kosovo 60 million euros for projects supporting integration. (It would have been better if they'd opened a small factory, but bureaucrats have their own ideas about how to spend money.)
So what if it takes a while? Accession is a slow process in the best of cases, and who can tell what will happen in by the time they've jumped through all the blue-and-gold hoops? By that time, Serbia may be begging them to join.
And? Do you think, Bahrain's wealth will convince Serbs? Most recognitions so far were product of arm-twisting and bribery. Albanians even acknowledge it proudly.
(Ataman, 21 May 2009 17:59)
Do you think that Albanians care if Serbs are convinced or not? All they have to do is to convince other countries, that's all.
The more time it passes the more an independent Kosovo becomes a reality, and more and more countries will recognize. Everyone realized that this is the most stable form of peacefull existence for the whole region.
And? Do you think, Bahrain's wealth will convince Serbs?
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(Ataman, 21 May 2009 17:59)
No, but I'm sure it will re-ignite the World-wide Anti-Serb Conspiracy, because only political pressure and bribary can be the reason why countries recognize Kosovo, and not a sense of realism. I wonder why Simbabwe, North Korea, etc. cannot be bribed. Must be because of their outstanding position regarding human rights, written in the international law.
the only thing which is obvious is the clear fact that the (pro-) Serbian users on that page always came up with the same meaningless chat whenever another country recogizes reality. Or maybe you can explain me why some here emphasizes that (still) most countries didn't recognize reality yet. Who are those countries? North Korea, Russia and up to yesterday Bahrein. Unfortunately for the Serbian side, Bahrein is one of the richest nations in that region. So celebrate the fact that Iran, Syria and Simbabwe didn't recognize Kosovo.
(Berkeley, 21 May 2009 13:42)
Ah yes, the old long discredited neo-con 'Axis of Evil' argument being spun again. Anyone who backs Serbia is undemocratic, evil dictatorships, yadda yadda yadda while those who back Pristina are good. With us or against us, Good or Evil. What rubbish. Do I have to keep telling you this that some of the US allies in the Middle East like Egypt have continually backed Serbia since day 1 as have South Africa, Indonesia and India. You are increasingly sounding like a broken record. Its really pathetic. Lumping democratic states in with North Korea, Zimbabwe (note correct spelling) and Iran who are themselves totally incompatable is unbelievable. Do the Albanians on this site believe the lies that their yellow press is spinning, arguments that are being laughed at in mainstream sober media in the West?
I have a friend from Zimbabwe and I have spoken to him about the comments on this website about his country and he's absolutley disgusted. He's no friend of Mugabe either.
"If Spain, Romania, Slovakia, Cyprus and Greece will still refuse Kosovo "independence" - Yes that's mean "forever"."
The number of countries who are siding with Serbia on this issue doesn't change. We all know who the countries that will not recognize Kosovo are. That's a constant.
However, the number of countries recognizing Kosovo keeps growing, so it's always a positive number. Meantime, the number of recognitions increases while the number of non-recognitions stays the same. It's an overall plus for Kosovo since we got new countries to recognize us while Serbia can't get any new countries to side with them.
"However, the number of countries recognizing Kosovo keeps growing, so it's always a positive number. Meantime, the number of recognitions increases while the number of non-recognitions stays the same. It's an overall plus for Kosovo since we got new countries to recognize us while Serbia can't get any new countries to side with them.
(pilaf, 22 May 2009 15:54)"
This math wizard must be living on a different planet. How can the number of recognitions grow and the number of non-recognitions (also always a positive number) stays the same if the number of countries on this planet stays the same (unless I have recently missed some other DI's)? We will have to see what will happen when the ICJ will decide that the Kosovo UDI was illegal and countries will start withdrawing their recognitions. In that case the number of countries that side with Serbia will go up and the number for Kosovo will go down with the same amount (both positive numbers). Please let some EU money be invested in some basic education to avoid these kinds of embarrassing pro-Kosovo postings.
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