Serbs accuse Kosovo police of torture

B92 I am outraged at these lies. I'm sorry but 30 days of being grounded at home, what is this kindergarden? Furthermore, they claim they weren't part of the protests. Then what business did they have in the protests when they were caught with MOLTOV COCKTAILS at hand?

If they were "tortured" where are the bruises, marks, scars?

It's normal... KPS consisted ex-UCK members. They know torture camps for Serbs from 90's in Albania.

They are being treated with kid gloves. 30 days of having to stay inside your house is a very mild form of punishment for throwing stones and bottles at cops. It's what we here in America call "a slap in the wrist". They lucked out.

I think Kosovo authorities are giving soft sentences because they don't want to give Serbs chance to politize these sentences.

Serbs accuse Kosovo police of torture
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Well, looks like the K-Albanians are learning quickly from their US masters. Torture is not going to work and this approach is destabilising the whole province. It's time to end the torture and provocations - rethink and negotiate instead.

Well, looks like the K-Albanians are learning quickly from their US masters. Torture is not going to work and this approach is destabilising the whole province. It's time to end the torture and provocations - rethink and negotiate instead.
(Zoran, 13 May 2009 13:22)

Sorry, but we negotiated enough. When we wanted to negotiate under Rugova you ignored us.

What do you want to negotiate about? Do you plan to tell me than despite all mass graves of albanians and pizza shop massacres and 1 million refugees and centuries of hate and conflict you still have that "loving" feeling for the Albanians and want to live with them?

Thanks but no thanks. I will take my chances on my own. The times of "brotherhood and unity" have long gone.

john M. - Well it's a good thing you're not in charge isn't it? Such brutish mentality does not have a place in Europe (or anywhere else for that matter).

Low intelligence and such a backward attitude also does not bode well for anyone in law enforcement.

I am sure there's an opening for you in some dictatorship somewhere, or in some state in America.

I think these policemen must have taken 101 "Introdoction to torture "course in Guantanamo and some years later "Further tools of torture" course in Abu GHarib prison.They had opportunity to learn from the best I mean most cruel professors of this discipline.

Tunxh: "It's what we here in America call "a slap in the wrist". They lucked out."

This is not the US thank goodness. It is Europe and people are not beaten and imprisoned for alledgedly being violent at a demo.

They are detained for 24 hours, charged and then appear before a court.

You cannot compare European law with the American way of 'dealing with people'.

And what of the brute force used by the police and international forces? Who is investigating that?

Denis,
Quit spreading more lies and anti-Serb hate propaganda. What mass graves and what pizza massacres??
If you are not happy living in Kosovo, which is sacred Serbian soil, feel free to go back to albania for a better life.
Tito is now gone, and your master, the US, is bankrupt and a sinking ship.

Obviously there is going to be some bias from the Kosovar Serbs.

" Damn these plp got away with it easy,,, if it was me working for a kosovo,s police at that time i would have kicked their heads big time before i would send em in court, then the judge in kosovo should have give em at least 5 yrs each, then these plp would have pay more attention and respect the local authorities...the Kosovo goverment its way too soft towards serb though,, way too soft..
(john.M, 13 May 2009, 16:53)"

I'd laugh if it wasn't for the fact that many would share your view. I wonder if that is exactly what would happen if K-Albanians were unshackled from the restrictions imposed by the eyes of the international community. You just have to read this board to hear the hate and contempt contradicting the cheap words of reconciliation.

Your words and sentiment are an affront to any decent person's sense of justice and equality. Well done.

Sorry am I missing something here? Having just read the report and comments - Who actually beat so called protestors? Was it KPS? Why? These people plead innocence. Where they beaten into submission?! We all hear about horrowing stories of torture, mental and physological abuses that took place in Middle East, Africa etc.

In a free society people have a right to protest in order to air their feelings. House arrest might be a minor punishment but for what?! What was the crime? - The abuse at hands of opposition must be stopped. There is enough hate in the world. We need dialogue.

We can expect the albanians to defend any an all actions taken against Serbs with extremist determination. Based on their steadfast refusal to believe every Serb guilty and every albanian innocent like the wind driven snow is commical.

Thankfully the tortured Serbs still have their organs intact.

john m:

Kosovo je Srbija!

Thanks but no thanks. I will take my chances on my own. The times of "brotherhood and unity" have long gone.
(Denis, 13 May 2009 15:48)
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No one is talking about brotherhood and unity here but you have to admit that Kosovo is a long way from stability and independence. The West has only created a bigger mess than already existed... which isn't that surprising really.

Kosovo cannot and will never achieve independence. It's time to accept that reality and time to negotiate on status based on more than autonomy, less than independence. Please don't tell me we have to wait another 15 years before that reality sinks in? You simply cannot get past the Russian and Chinese veto. You cannot change the Serbian constitution or expect Serbians to hand over a part of our soul to a bunch of citizens waving the flag of another nation.

Stop with the provokations and torture. Accept reality and grow up. Learn to live with your fellow Serbian citizens and negotiate peace. And finally, stop living in your selective and distorted past.

If you believe NATO truly defeated Serbia then why did they agree to UN resolution 1244. Serbia was not defeated, 1244 exists and Kosovo is not and will never become independent. Just remember that Serbia was occupied by the NAZIs at one stage but who would call that a defeat? Now go and negotiate before it's too late.

Obviously there is going to be some bias from the Kosovar Serbs.
(Ian, UK, 13 May 2009 13:13)

Ian, maybe you should end the bias. You always accuse Serbs of lying and always believe whatever Albanians tell you. That one Albanian family who stayed with you must've really convinced you that they are all saints and that Serbs are all demons.

Oh the humanity! What terrible torture! They're being kept in their own homes for a single month! Oh Lord, when will this terrible, terrible injustice end?!

Give. me. a. break.
Great job KPS!

"Reader

For someone who calls himself "Reader" you obviously weren't reading.

These folks were detained for engaging in VIOLENT actions against the police during demonstrations and I'm willing to bet that this is a crime in just about every country in this planet.
(Ment, 13 May 2009 18:36)"

Well, in most countries you are innocent until proven guilty and the police should never be the judge of that. It is good to know that you are content that the case has been proven against them - already. That, my friend, is called prejudice.

There are accusations - they need to be investigated. I invite you to tell me if the police are innocent or guilty since you appear to know these things.

Of course this scum beat elderly and women.

when will the UN investigate the rubber bullets that are forbidden by geneva convention and the EULEX-"officers" that watched the torture?

and probably masterminded it, if its scum from irak or other occupied countries...

I think it is quite obvious to everyone in the world that the so called multi-ethnic Kosovo is just a political FARCE...
The Serbian Government should publicly push for braking up of Kosovo into Serbian and Albanian parts and population and land exchange.
There is not going to be lasting peace untill we completely separate from each other and both agree on final borders.
Then we should do what the Israelis are doing in their country and build a massive wall with a barbed wire to stop any future Albanian intrusion into our land under false pretence of economic hardship migration.
Real justice is slow but in the end it will prevail.
Zivela Srbija

Reader

For someone who calls himself "Reader" you obviously weren't reading.

These folks were detained for engaging in VIOLENT actions against the police during demonstrations and I'm willing to bet that this is a crime in just about every country in this planet.

No sane politician can support these people. Anyone trying to defend these demonstrators has to think very hard 'which country offers free electricity for 10 years and not do anything about it?' .

Serbia is inciting violence and they are forgetting that the world is not blind.

"This is an elderly man of some 70 years, a pensioner who remained two days in jail and who presented no danger for the police. People are afraid and fear for their future," the district chief said"

That is very "touching" telestory...Serbia should call a UN session to discuss that "crime against humanity". Stop this nonsense for God sake!
(EA, 13 May 2009 20:51)

EA, as always you don't disappoint. I am so touched with human compassion and reason.

If you think that beating up a 70 year old man is OK then let whoever reads this judge you for I think you will look very bad indeed.

If this was a 70 year old or evern 27 year old Albanian man you would want to call amnesty international. I am really fed up with your hypocrisy.

" A district court judge in Gnjilane has placed five Serbs arrested for clashing with Kosovo police, KPS, on Sunday, to 30 days under house arrest.
"...

Please read the first line again.

Also...

"We have no knowledge about this, and the very fact that EULEX officers were present there rises doubts over individual claims that something illegal had really taken place. If anyone had exceeded their powers, then the corresponding disciplinary measures will be implemented against such persons," Hasani said...
***…**

I suppose the same observation I had for "Reader" applies to you too.
(Ment, 13 May 2009, 22:04)"

Your idea of justice is obviously very different from mine. They have not been tried or found guilty of anything. Obviously neither you nor I know what was put before the small district courts judge that warranted "house arrest". Maybe they are a danger to the public - that could be reason. YOU don't know.

My issue is that you are prejudiced and have it in your mind they are guilty because they are Serb. I'm not a Serb apologist, I just find it quite disgusting that there is not even the slightest acknowledgement that they could have the wrong people.

And you want Serbs to accept your assurances that they will be treated fairly? If people on here represent the K-Albanian view then all this talk of multi-ethnic state of tolerance is a farce.

Robert Burns

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" A district court judge in Gnjilane has placed five Serbs arrested for clashing with Kosovo police, KPS, on Sunday, to 30 days under house arrest.
"...

Please read the first line again.

Also...

"We have no knowledge about this, and the very fact that EULEX officers were present there rises doubts over individual claims that something illegal had really taken place. If anyone had exceeded their powers, then the corresponding disciplinary measures will be implemented against such persons," Hasani said...
*****************************

I suppose the same observation I had for "Reader" applies to you too.

'which country offers free electricity for 10 years and not do anything about it?' .

First of all Kosovo is not a country, it's a province. Secondly the infrastructure belongs to Serbia, so the Serbs deserve free electricity until the K-Alb Rebels are imprisoned.

Thirdly the civilians were beaten before they went to court, not after it, prejudice there.

Police brutality! Next you will be sending the K-Serbs to concentration camps! Which actually is really not much different from the barb-wired ghettos that they are confined to now surrounded by round the clock security!

I would suggest that Serbian special forces deal with them next time.

"This is an elderly man of some 70 years, a pensioner who remained two days in jail and who presented no danger for the police. People are afraid and fear for their future," the district chief said"

That is very "touching" telestory...Serbia should call a UN session to discuss that "crime against humanity". Stop this nonsense for God sake!

'Real justice is slow but in the end it will prevail.
Zivela Srbija
(TITO, 14 May 2009 14:26) '

Hey, TITO, what do you think of Serbia's treatment of your widow - 30 years of house arrest? In some places justice is especially slow, it seems.

phychological abuse

almost: pSychological (pronounced 'saj-ko-lO-dz^i-kal')

To DimTuc,
The answer to your question is that yes Tito was right to give more powers to the regions for them to manage themselves but the problem was he did not go to the core of the problem.
So, what was the problem? There were many, firstly how to integrate Albanians into society, then how to empower them to manage themselves but not abusing the same and in the process abusing the other ethnic groups. You would agree that the Ustav of 1974 did not succed in resolving this fundamentall issue. For democracy to work you need to educate the people. Unfortunately the profile of Albanian population in Kosovo was not on the level to say the least. Secondly we must not disregard the ancient animosities that exist between us that Tito or any other politician did not dare to touch. But they are there and you have to account for them when you think of final solution. Thirdly, he made many mistakes, like for example after the second World War he issued a law in 1947/8 that forbade all families that left Kosovo during the war to return. The question is why and how much did it alter the ethnic balance? We can go on and on....
As for Serbian nationalism and Tito you just scratced the surface mate. Of all former Yu republics Serbia and Bosnia were most pro Yu and that was reflected in the population cenzuses where large amount of people would pronounce themselves (proudly) Jugoslavian's. On the other hand Croatians were planning the future state in emigration and Slovenes, well they were always Slovenes. As for you Albanians, you did not finish the Second World War untill 1948 when the last Ballista fighting group was caught and anihilated in Kacak Gourge. After that you just continued with low level of civil disobedience, not paying the taxes randomly attacking the cops on the bit, harrasing other ethnic groups close by into leaving etc etc. So as you can see there is much much more than the easy "you are guilty and thats it" accussations you Albanians are spewing forth.
We need to sit down and discuss this things and solve OUR problem once and for all. Everything else is just empty rhetoric and will get you and us into even bigger mess.

to: (TITO, 15 May 2009 13:31)

I don’t understand why so many of you feel the need to discuss what happened centuries ago, before WW2, during WW2 and so on. Neither of us can convince each other to accept guilt, it all depends on who wrote the history books you're getting your information from. And believe me, neither the Americans nor the Russians are interested to know who built the first church and who killed more Turks. These talks could last forever if anyone tried to convince you. We can’t even agree on what happened during our last war only 10 years ago. As for ‘sitting down and discussing things’. Remember Rugova? Every K-Albanian was behind him while Rugova patiently waited for discussions. KLA surfaced 10 years after Rugova’s passive resistance. So much blood has been shed and some of you are still keen to send in the army and televise the war as some kind of entertainment.

This sabotage of Serbs, supported by the Serbian Government is soooo ridiculous.

Those poor manipulated people were not arrested because they protested, but because they attacked the police, causing to one of the policeman life-threatening injuries.

Now, Kosovo police would never dare to torture a Serb. Everybody (Internationals) who have worked with Kosovo police know this.

A Kosovo policeman understands what it means to torture a person of the minority group in Kosovo, as a difference to Serbian police.

WOW, this must be interesting news. 5 People were charged to 30 days house arrest. And they say "Serbs accuse Kosovo police of torture", you call this torture. Do you guys remember demostrations back in 80's - 90's, when the Albanins were tortured from Serbian police, back then they weren't charged on house arrest they were arrested and brutally beaten by police. I Was in 1989 on demostration, almost got a baton on my back, if the police hit me with a baton, probably I still would feel the pain. Go guys on youtube you should watch this tortures from Serbian police, about this 5 people on house arrest must be a joke.

Stop with the provokations and torture. Accept reality and grow up. Learn to live with your fellow Serbian citizens and negotiate peace. And finally, stop living in your selective and distorted past.

If you believe NATO truly defeated Serbia then why did they agree to UN resolution 1244. Serbia was not defeated, 1244 exists and Kosovo is not and will never become independent. Just remember that Serbia was occupied by the NAZIs at one stage but who would call that a defeat? Now go and negotiate before it's too late.
(Zoran, 13 May 2009 18:36)

Accept reality?? 85% of EU countries have recognized Kosovo, around the world countries that make up 80% of the world GDP have as well, and more are to come, and you are telling me to "accept the reality"?
There will be no more negotiation, never. And if Rusia and China will block our UN membership, we will still take our chances and never ever live under Serbia again. Kosovo's success is not dependent at all from the UN membership, Taiwan is the best example of that.

To BH_NYC,
My dear chap,
When you can not find the arguments then you pull the usual "Oh why we always talk about past" rabbit. Also, never believe a man who says "believe me".
Americans and Russians know very well who built the first church and how many Turks were killed. It is only you who naively think otherwise. They have agenda behind all their moves and thats that. The question is only what is exactly behind their agenda in regards to Kosovo...

'Every K-Albanian was behind him while Rugova patiently waited for discussions. KLA surfaced 10 years after Rugova’s passive resistance.'

The international community bears much of the responsibility here. Rugova traveled the world, asking for support - diplomatic, not warplanes - for Kosovo's AUTONOMY, and was praised for his non-violent stance, and ignored. The Americans wanted the Europeans to handle it, the Europeans didn't want to do more than hold talks, and Milosevic was willing to do whatever it took to gain and hold onto power. Everybody just waited too long, until there were no good options left.

"Hey, TITO, what do you think of Serbia's treatment of your widow - 30 years of house arrest? In some places justice is especially slow, it seems.
(Amer, 14 May 2009 15:17)"

Exactly!

And I have a couple more questions for "TITO".

Do you still think you were right to give the high level autonomy status to Kosova, together with direct representation in Yugoslav federal bodies (not through Serbia)?

Do you still believe as you always did that keeping a lid on Serbian nationalism - ie the nationalism of the dominant ethnic group in Yugoslavia - was THE necessary ingredient of keeping the federation together?

And finally what do you think of your son having been Croatia's ambassador to Indonesia (recently retired)?

Serbs accuse Kosovo police of torture
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Well, looks like the K-Albanians are learning quickly from their US masters. Torture is not going to work and this approach is destabilising the whole province. It's time to end the torture and provocations - rethink and negotiate instead.

They are being treated with kid gloves. 30 days of having to stay inside your house is a very mild form of punishment for throwing stones and bottles at cops. It's what we here in America call "a slap in the wrist". They lucked out.

It's normal... KPS consisted ex-UCK members. They know torture camps for Serbs from 90's in Albania.

Obviously there is going to be some bias from the Kosovar Serbs.

Tunxh: "It's what we here in America call "a slap in the wrist". They lucked out."

This is not the US thank goodness. It is Europe and people are not beaten and imprisoned for alledgedly being violent at a demo.

They are detained for 24 hours, charged and then appear before a court.

You cannot compare European law with the American way of 'dealing with people'.

And what of the brute force used by the police and international forces? Who is investigating that?

I think Kosovo authorities are giving soft sentences because they don't want to give Serbs chance to politize these sentences.

B92 I am outraged at these lies. I'm sorry but 30 days of being grounded at home, what is this kindergarden? Furthermore, they claim they weren't part of the protests. Then what business did they have in the protests when they were caught with MOLTOV COCKTAILS at hand?

If they were "tortured" where are the bruises, marks, scars?

I think these policemen must have taken 101 "Introdoction to torture "course in Guantanamo and some years later "Further tools of torture" course in Abu GHarib prison.They had opportunity to learn from the best I mean most cruel professors of this discipline.

Well, looks like the K-Albanians are learning quickly from their US masters. Torture is not going to work and this approach is destabilising the whole province. It's time to end the torture and provocations - rethink and negotiate instead.
(Zoran, 13 May 2009 13:22)

Sorry, but we negotiated enough. When we wanted to negotiate under Rugova you ignored us.

What do you want to negotiate about? Do you plan to tell me than despite all mass graves of albanians and pizza shop massacres and 1 million refugees and centuries of hate and conflict you still have that "loving" feeling for the Albanians and want to live with them?

Thanks but no thanks. I will take my chances on my own. The times of "brotherhood and unity" have long gone.

john m:

Kosovo je Srbija!

Thanks but no thanks. I will take my chances on my own. The times of "brotherhood and unity" have long gone.
(Denis, 13 May 2009 15:48)
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No one is talking about brotherhood and unity here but you have to admit that Kosovo is a long way from stability and independence. The West has only created a bigger mess than already existed... which isn't that surprising really.

Kosovo cannot and will never achieve independence. It's time to accept that reality and time to negotiate on status based on more than autonomy, less than independence. Please don't tell me we have to wait another 15 years before that reality sinks in? You simply cannot get past the Russian and Chinese veto. You cannot change the Serbian constitution or expect Serbians to hand over a part of our soul to a bunch of citizens waving the flag of another nation.

Stop with the provokations and torture. Accept reality and grow up. Learn to live with your fellow Serbian citizens and negotiate peace. And finally, stop living in your selective and distorted past.

If you believe NATO truly defeated Serbia then why did they agree to UN resolution 1244. Serbia was not defeated, 1244 exists and Kosovo is not and will never become independent. Just remember that Serbia was occupied by the NAZIs at one stage but who would call that a defeat? Now go and negotiate before it's too late.

Reader

For someone who calls himself "Reader" you obviously weren't reading.

These folks were detained for engaging in VIOLENT actions against the police during demonstrations and I'm willing to bet that this is a crime in just about every country in this planet.

No sane politician can support these people. Anyone trying to defend these demonstrators has to think very hard 'which country offers free electricity for 10 years and not do anything about it?' .

Serbia is inciting violence and they are forgetting that the world is not blind.

Denis,
Quit spreading more lies and anti-Serb hate propaganda. What mass graves and what pizza massacres??
If you are not happy living in Kosovo, which is sacred Serbian soil, feel free to go back to albania for a better life.
Tito is now gone, and your master, the US, is bankrupt and a sinking ship.

I would suggest that Serbian special forces deal with them next time.

"This is an elderly man of some 70 years, a pensioner who remained two days in jail and who presented no danger for the police. People are afraid and fear for their future," the district chief said"

That is very "touching" telestory...Serbia should call a UN session to discuss that "crime against humanity". Stop this nonsense for God sake!

Sorry am I missing something here? Having just read the report and comments - Who actually beat so called protestors? Was it KPS? Why? These people plead innocence. Where they beaten into submission?! We all hear about horrowing stories of torture, mental and physological abuses that took place in Middle East, Africa etc.

In a free society people have a right to protest in order to air their feelings. House arrest might be a minor punishment but for what?! What was the crime? - The abuse at hands of opposition must be stopped. There is enough hate in the world. We need dialogue.

phychological abuse

almost: pSychological (pronounced 'saj-ko-lO-dz^i-kal')

Oh the humanity! What terrible torture! They're being kept in their own homes for a single month! Oh Lord, when will this terrible, terrible injustice end?!

Give. me. a. break.
Great job KPS!

WOW, this must be interesting news. 5 People were charged to 30 days house arrest. And they say "Serbs accuse Kosovo police of torture", you call this torture. Do you guys remember demostrations back in 80's - 90's, when the Albanins were tortured from Serbian police, back then they weren't charged on house arrest they were arrested and brutally beaten by police. I Was in 1989 on demostration, almost got a baton on my back, if the police hit me with a baton, probably I still would feel the pain. Go guys on youtube you should watch this tortures from Serbian police, about this 5 people on house arrest must be a joke.

john M. - Well it's a good thing you're not in charge isn't it? Such brutish mentality does not have a place in Europe (or anywhere else for that matter).

Low intelligence and such a backward attitude also does not bode well for anyone in law enforcement.

I am sure there's an opening for you in some dictatorship somewhere, or in some state in America.

Obviously there is going to be some bias from the Kosovar Serbs.
(Ian, UK, 13 May 2009 13:13)

Ian, maybe you should end the bias. You always accuse Serbs of lying and always believe whatever Albanians tell you. That one Albanian family who stayed with you must've really convinced you that they are all saints and that Serbs are all demons.

We can expect the albanians to defend any an all actions taken against Serbs with extremist determination. Based on their steadfast refusal to believe every Serb guilty and every albanian innocent like the wind driven snow is commical.

Thankfully the tortured Serbs still have their organs intact.

"This is an elderly man of some 70 years, a pensioner who remained two days in jail and who presented no danger for the police. People are afraid and fear for their future," the district chief said"

That is very "touching" telestory...Serbia should call a UN session to discuss that "crime against humanity". Stop this nonsense for God sake!
(EA, 13 May 2009 20:51)

EA, as always you don't disappoint. I am so touched with human compassion and reason.

If you think that beating up a 70 year old man is OK then let whoever reads this judge you for I think you will look very bad indeed.

If this was a 70 year old or evern 27 year old Albanian man you would want to call amnesty international. I am really fed up with your hypocrisy.

"Reader

For someone who calls himself "Reader" you obviously weren't reading.

These folks were detained for engaging in VIOLENT actions against the police during demonstrations and I'm willing to bet that this is a crime in just about every country in this planet.
(Ment, 13 May 2009 18:36)"

Well, in most countries you are innocent until proven guilty and the police should never be the judge of that. It is good to know that you are content that the case has been proven against them - already. That, my friend, is called prejudice.

There are accusations - they need to be investigated. I invite you to tell me if the police are innocent or guilty since you appear to know these things.

Of course this scum beat elderly and women.

when will the UN investigate the rubber bullets that are forbidden by geneva convention and the EULEX-"officers" that watched the torture?

and probably masterminded it, if its scum from irak or other occupied countries...

" A district court judge in Gnjilane has placed five Serbs arrested for clashing with Kosovo police, KPS, on Sunday, to 30 days under house arrest.
"...

Please read the first line again.

Also...

"We have no knowledge about this, and the very fact that EULEX officers were present there rises doubts over individual claims that something illegal had really taken place. If anyone had exceeded their powers, then the corresponding disciplinary measures will be implemented against such persons," Hasani said...
***…**

I suppose the same observation I had for "Reader" applies to you too.
(Ment, 13 May 2009, 22:04)"

Your idea of justice is obviously very different from mine. They have not been tried or found guilty of anything. Obviously neither you nor I know what was put before the small district courts judge that warranted "house arrest". Maybe they are a danger to the public - that could be reason. YOU don't know.

My issue is that you are prejudiced and have it in your mind they are guilty because they are Serb. I'm not a Serb apologist, I just find it quite disgusting that there is not even the slightest acknowledgement that they could have the wrong people.

And you want Serbs to accept your assurances that they will be treated fairly? If people on here represent the K-Albanian view then all this talk of multi-ethnic state of tolerance is a farce.

Robert Burns

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" A district court judge in Gnjilane has placed five Serbs arrested for clashing with Kosovo police, KPS, on Sunday, to 30 days under house arrest.
"...

Please read the first line again.

Also...

"We have no knowledge about this, and the very fact that EULEX officers were present there rises doubts over individual claims that something illegal had really taken place. If anyone had exceeded their powers, then the corresponding disciplinary measures will be implemented against such persons," Hasani said...
*****************************

I suppose the same observation I had for "Reader" applies to you too.

"Hey, TITO, what do you think of Serbia's treatment of your widow - 30 years of house arrest? In some places justice is especially slow, it seems.
(Amer, 14 May 2009 15:17)"

Exactly!

And I have a couple more questions for "TITO".

Do you still think you were right to give the high level autonomy status to Kosova, together with direct representation in Yugoslav federal bodies (not through Serbia)?

Do you still believe as you always did that keeping a lid on Serbian nationalism - ie the nationalism of the dominant ethnic group in Yugoslavia - was THE necessary ingredient of keeping the federation together?

And finally what do you think of your son having been Croatia's ambassador to Indonesia (recently retired)?

'which country offers free electricity for 10 years and not do anything about it?' .

First of all Kosovo is not a country, it's a province. Secondly the infrastructure belongs to Serbia, so the Serbs deserve free electricity until the K-Alb Rebels are imprisoned.

Thirdly the civilians were beaten before they went to court, not after it, prejudice there.

Stop with the provokations and torture. Accept reality and grow up. Learn to live with your fellow Serbian citizens and negotiate peace. And finally, stop living in your selective and distorted past.

If you believe NATO truly defeated Serbia then why did they agree to UN resolution 1244. Serbia was not defeated, 1244 exists and Kosovo is not and will never become independent. Just remember that Serbia was occupied by the NAZIs at one stage but who would call that a defeat? Now go and negotiate before it's too late.
(Zoran, 13 May 2009 18:36)

Accept reality?? 85% of EU countries have recognized Kosovo, around the world countries that make up 80% of the world GDP have as well, and more are to come, and you are telling me to "accept the reality"?
There will be no more negotiation, never. And if Rusia and China will block our UN membership, we will still take our chances and never ever live under Serbia again. Kosovo's success is not dependent at all from the UN membership, Taiwan is the best example of that.

Police brutality! Next you will be sending the K-Serbs to concentration camps! Which actually is really not much different from the barb-wired ghettos that they are confined to now surrounded by round the clock security!

This sabotage of Serbs, supported by the Serbian Government is soooo ridiculous.

Those poor manipulated people were not arrested because they protested, but because they attacked the police, causing to one of the policeman life-threatening injuries.

Now, Kosovo police would never dare to torture a Serb. Everybody (Internationals) who have worked with Kosovo police know this.

A Kosovo policeman understands what it means to torture a person of the minority group in Kosovo, as a difference to Serbian police.

to: (TITO, 15 May 2009 13:31)

I don’t understand why so many of you feel the need to discuss what happened centuries ago, before WW2, during WW2 and so on. Neither of us can convince each other to accept guilt, it all depends on who wrote the history books you're getting your information from. And believe me, neither the Americans nor the Russians are interested to know who built the first church and who killed more Turks. These talks could last forever if anyone tried to convince you. We can’t even agree on what happened during our last war only 10 years ago. As for ‘sitting down and discussing things’. Remember Rugova? Every K-Albanian was behind him while Rugova patiently waited for discussions. KLA surfaced 10 years after Rugova’s passive resistance. So much blood has been shed and some of you are still keen to send in the army and televise the war as some kind of entertainment.

" Damn these plp got away with it easy,,, if it was me working for a kosovo,s police at that time i would have kicked their heads big time before i would send em in court, then the judge in kosovo should have give em at least 5 yrs each, then these plp would have pay more attention and respect the local authorities...the Kosovo goverment its way too soft towards serb though,, way too soft..
(john.M, 13 May 2009, 16:53)"

I'd laugh if it wasn't for the fact that many would share your view. I wonder if that is exactly what would happen if K-Albanians were unshackled from the restrictions imposed by the eyes of the international community. You just have to read this board to hear the hate and contempt contradicting the cheap words of reconciliation.

Your words and sentiment are an affront to any decent person's sense of justice and equality. Well done.

I think it is quite obvious to everyone in the world that the so called multi-ethnic Kosovo is just a political FARCE...
The Serbian Government should publicly push for braking up of Kosovo into Serbian and Albanian parts and population and land exchange.
There is not going to be lasting peace untill we completely separate from each other and both agree on final borders.
Then we should do what the Israelis are doing in their country and build a massive wall with a barbed wire to stop any future Albanian intrusion into our land under false pretence of economic hardship migration.
Real justice is slow but in the end it will prevail.
Zivela Srbija

To BH_NYC,
My dear chap,
When you can not find the arguments then you pull the usual "Oh why we always talk about past" rabbit. Also, never believe a man who says "believe me".
Americans and Russians know very well who built the first church and how many Turks were killed. It is only you who naively think otherwise. They have agenda behind all their moves and thats that. The question is only what is exactly behind their agenda in regards to Kosovo...

'Real justice is slow but in the end it will prevail.
Zivela Srbija
(TITO, 14 May 2009 14:26) '

Hey, TITO, what do you think of Serbia's treatment of your widow - 30 years of house arrest? In some places justice is especially slow, it seems.

To DimTuc,
The answer to your question is that yes Tito was right to give more powers to the regions for them to manage themselves but the problem was he did not go to the core of the problem.
So, what was the problem? There were many, firstly how to integrate Albanians into society, then how to empower them to manage themselves but not abusing the same and in the process abusing the other ethnic groups. You would agree that the Ustav of 1974 did not succed in resolving this fundamentall issue. For democracy to work you need to educate the people. Unfortunately the profile of Albanian population in Kosovo was not on the level to say the least. Secondly we must not disregard the ancient animosities that exist between us that Tito or any other politician did not dare to touch. But they are there and you have to account for them when you think of final solution. Thirdly, he made many mistakes, like for example after the second World War he issued a law in 1947/8 that forbade all families that left Kosovo during the war to return. The question is why and how much did it alter the ethnic balance? We can go on and on....
As for Serbian nationalism and Tito you just scratced the surface mate. Of all former Yu republics Serbia and Bosnia were most pro Yu and that was reflected in the population cenzuses where large amount of people would pronounce themselves (proudly) Jugoslavian's. On the other hand Croatians were planning the future state in emigration and Slovenes, well they were always Slovenes. As for you Albanians, you did not finish the Second World War untill 1948 when the last Ballista fighting group was caught and anihilated in Kacak Gourge. After that you just continued with low level of civil disobedience, not paying the taxes randomly attacking the cops on the bit, harrasing other ethnic groups close by into leaving etc etc. So as you can see there is much much more than the easy "you are guilty and thats it" accussations you Albanians are spewing forth.
We need to sit down and discuss this things and solve OUR problem once and for all. Everything else is just empty rhetoric and will get you and us into even bigger mess.

'Every K-Albanian was behind him while Rugova patiently waited for discussions. KLA surfaced 10 years after Rugova’s passive resistance.'

The international community bears much of the responsibility here. Rugova traveled the world, asking for support - diplomatic, not warplanes - for Kosovo's AUTONOMY, and was praised for his non-violent stance, and ignored. The Americans wanted the Europeans to handle it, the Europeans didn't want to do more than hold talks, and Milosevic was willing to do whatever it took to gain and hold onto power. Everybody just waited too long, until there were no good options left.