AI: Who will judge NATO's crimes?

You have to admire Amnesty International for their concern of human rights and defence of civilians.

Perhaps their attempts won't make any headway, but they have shown principle in not sweeping anything under the carpet - as other international NGO's have.

It's known to everyone that albanians consider all serbs guilty of war crimes even though no war crimes were committed in Kosovo against the albanians, only collateral damage. It is all a hoax to cover up the aggression on Serbia and the occupation of our territory. The reason albanians blame ALL serbs for war crimes is to hide the albanina agenda of stealing Serbias territory in Kosovo. NATO and the terrorist organization uck have committed the worst war crimes since WW2 and they are allowed to walk without any punishment. It gives me hope to see that the truth about uck concentration camps and NATO war crimes is, at least, being noticed.

Since NATO's attack on Serbia was carried out without explicit authorisation from the security council, that in itself constitutes a war crime.

UN resolutions 1160,1199 and 1203 didn't authorise NATO to
intervene in Kosovo under its pseudo-excuse of humanitarian intervention.

The war on Serbia was carried out by NATO on behalf of US & EU energy corporations in order to provide a long term solution to the transportation of energy to European and US markets.Hence, the establishment of the Bondsteel military base.

As far as NATO leaders being indicted for war crimes and brought to international court this will remain only only a dream because the court was established in order to carry out US and NATO geopolitical tasks.

TCM

I guess you didn't follow NATOs war in Serbia very closely. Hardly any Serb military targets were destroyed. This created panic within NATO and they shifted focus and began to attack tv stations, hospitals, brigdes, trains, markets filled with people etc in an attempt to force the Serbs to overthrow the Milosevic government.

"Most of the targets hit in Kosovo were decoys".
"World War II-era tanks which were not functional".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War

The true agenda behind NATOs war on Serbia was to occupy Serbia.

"NATO's attack on Yugoslavia aimed to achieve by force something American diplomacy could not: occupation of Yugoslavia, as Annex B of the Rambouillet Accord openly demanded".

"Important land and water routes pass through Yugoslavia. These provide real and potential lines of communication between Europe, the Middle East in Asia, the North Sea and the Caucasus-Caspian zone". http://www.emperors-clothes.com/analysis/corridor.htm

78 days of relentless bombing and still NATO only manages to occupy 12% of Serbias territory. And this is supposedly the mightiest military alliance in the world.

Excuse me but Amnesty International is NOT AMERICAN.

It was founded in London and they have never even had an American General Secretary of the organisation, nor do they take money from nation states.

God you Americans really think the world revolves around the USA and that everything (good or bad) comes from there dont you? And then you bang on about that over and over again.

I start to respect AI ... Before I used to think that the only goal of the organisation was the USSR. But here we can see that sometimes they can afford honest steps too. Sure we have to live and see what will happen next.

If it's not a PR for the lack of interest and donors after the fall of the USSR block I'll be very pleased. Yet the move is good cause it reminds us that the crimes against Serbia are still unrevenged.

Cheers !

Indeed a very important question. What's been called 'colateral damage' has to become a prick to supporters of military action. Serbia itself has to start finaly taking notice and debate the AI reports on Kosovo until 1999, if they seriously mean to have broken with Milosevic.

At the present time, no political or military power in the world can judge NATO pact. God will judge you all.

Talk is cheap but:

AI is an american NGO with american (and a few american educated foreigners) board members.Not one Sevic Mihailovic Muhammadi but a lot of Kissingers and Clintons

Take a close look you wouldnt find any Serb Palestinian Iraqi Afghan etc members there...

since the current serbian government is hiding behind the Yugo army as the bad people who commited the crimes, violated human rights, who should have had jurisdiction to punish them? where are those soldiers today that commited the most criminal crimes against their own population?

this news is just rediculous.

“If Amnesty International is disregarding the plight of the ethnic Albanians( especially innocent civilians) than A.I.should be ashamed and even if NATO committed a war crime by carelessly harming Serb civilians they did not commit a war crime if they targeted the Serb army including their military targets.
(TCM, 4 May 2009 16:04)”

1. AI has never “disregarded” the plight of the K Albanians, on the contrary it has strongly defended them against the crimes of Milosevic and the Serbian armed forces, as is proper.
2. NATO did not “carelessly” harm Serb civilians when it very deliberately bombed RTS
3. For your info, the decision to bomb RTS was made after RTS reported and showed footage of NATO bombing a group of Albanian refugees fleeing Kosova. Presumably this, unlike RTS, was a war crime done “carelessly” (ie accidentally), but it shows how far removed the reality was from your imaginary picture of NATO targeting the Serb army
4. Regarding “targeting the Serb army,” NATO destroyed 13 Serbian tanks in 11 weeks, and nearly all of those were in the last 2 weeks when NATO was getting a bit desperate. Before that, NATO barely touched the Serbian armed forces in Kosova. The main military targets in the first few weeks were some out of the way barracks and storage facilities somewhere in Serbia.
5. If all of NATO’s bombing of Serb civilian targets was simply a result of “carelessness,” then we would have to conclude that, until the last 2 weeks of the war when they actually hit a few tanks, the entire bombing war was one big carelessness, from the bridges over the Danube (400 miles north of Kosova), to the Nis hospital carpark, hit by cluster bombs, to the little market in the semi-rural town Surdulica, to passenger trains etc.
6. Conversely, with the deliberate non-targetting of the Serb military, it was mostly after the bombing started that the Serbian campaign progressed from a brutal counterinsurgency to a virtual extermination campaign. Before then, about 200,000 Albanians were refugees inside Kosova (where they could form the troops of the KLA and keep the Serb army occupied), after that, 800,000 became refugees outside your country.

Many that supported your struggle didn’t support NATO’s war of terror on Serbian civilians. In one sense I can’t blame you for wanting NATO given what you were experiencing with Serbia. However, the problem had to be worked out by Albanians and Serbs. Even if that would be brutal it wouldn’t be as brutal as the results once you called in the opportunist great war criminal state to deal with a small war crime state. But even if the stark reality didn’t wake you up, the least you can do is keep silent on this shameful episode when Serbs rightly condemn this brutal intervention, rather than trying to justify the unjustifiable.

None of that justifies the equal and opposite attempts by others here to justify the unjustifiable Serbian state crimes against the K Albanians, who are as justified as any independence seekers the world over to want to get out.

Sooner or later there are going to be mechanisms in order to establish some sort of institution which may deal with the crimes committed by the military alliances. Might won't last forever. At least that is what I hope for.

There are plenty of evidences of NATO’s crimes in Serbia and world wide.

The first crime that NATO committed when it comes to Serbia was breach of the law as it is well known fact that NATO begun air strikes against Serbia without previous UNSC’s approval.

In addition, bombing of RTS was not the only crime against humanity committed during air strikes. What about Grdulicka Klisura and bombing of the train that was full of civilians?
Was that not a crime? And many more, many more.

Iraq and Afghanistan are another sad reality of this criminal military alliance. Civilians are dying on the daily basis and no one seems to give a damn about it. Only in Iraq, in period of 4 years NATO killed more than million civilians and created such a social mess that won’t be solved in decades.

Too late AI - your organisation could have done things long before thankfully it looks like the Isreali human rights group Almagor is far beyond the talk with a lawsuit being planned in no better a country then gun ho NATO boss at the time of the war crime against Serbia - Solano's home nation Spain read the Jerusalem Post;

Almagor to sue NATO over Serbia
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1239710862408&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

"under Spain's observance of the principle of universal jurisdiction, which holds that for grave crimes such as genocide, terrorism or torture, suspects can be prosecuted in the country even if the alleged offenses have been committed elsewhere.

Several top Spanish nationals, including EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana, who served as NATO secretary general from 1995-1999, are named in Almagor's case, as are officials from many other European countries and the United States - or every country involved in NATO."

seems like AI could have done this in 2002 if they realy wanted to, heck the yellows of Serbia should be persuing this themselves but then I guess yellow by nature!

Shalom

Political Realism in international relations suggests that the strong do what they must and the weak do what they can.

Nothing will happen.

Although I support, and admire AI for their great work on human rights protection, we have to recognize that AI is a voiceless advocate when it comes to impact the decision making and global players.

If AI had been as powerful as some are hoping, suggesting or dreaming to be, it would have had stopped the war in Balkans before it lead to NATO's bombing in Belgrade.

Just an realistic perspective.

If Amnesty International is disregarding the plight of the ethnic Albanians( especially innocent civilians) than A.I.should be ashamed and even if NATO commited a war crime by carelessly harming Serb civilians they did not commit a war crime if they targeted the Serb army including their military targets.

good idea

I sure hope AI will indeed manage to successfully bring proceedings against NATO 'as such' (as an international organisation), despite the immunity from adjudication that NATO has in many national jurisdictions. In my opinion, this would only leave one (theoretical) possibility: the UN General Assembly could request the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for an Advisory Opinion on this matter, since the ICJ would be the only court powerful enough to pierce through NATO's artificial veil of legal immunity (as such immunity would not apply on the international level; only on national levels, especially in countries with NATO presence and concomitant bilateral treaties).

since the current serbian government is hiding behind the Yugo army as the bad people who commited the crimes, violated human rights, who should have had jurisdiction to punish them? where are those soldiers today that commited the most criminal crimes against their own population?

this news is just rediculous.

If Amnesty International is disregarding the plight of the ethnic Albanians( especially innocent civilians) than A.I.should be ashamed and even if NATO commited a war crime by carelessly harming Serb civilians they did not commit a war crime if they targeted the Serb army including their military targets.

Talk is cheap but:

AI is an american NGO with american (and a few american educated foreigners) board members.Not one Sevic Mihailovic Muhammadi but a lot of Kissingers and Clintons

Take a close look you wouldnt find any Serb Palestinian Iraqi Afghan etc members there...

It's known to everyone that albanians consider all serbs guilty of war crimes even though no war crimes were committed in Kosovo against the albanians, only collateral damage. It is all a hoax to cover up the aggression on Serbia and the occupation of our territory. The reason albanians blame ALL serbs for war crimes is to hide the albanina agenda of stealing Serbias territory in Kosovo. NATO and the terrorist organization uck have committed the worst war crimes since WW2 and they are allowed to walk without any punishment. It gives me hope to see that the truth about uck concentration camps and NATO war crimes is, at least, being noticed.

Indeed a very important question. What's been called 'colateral damage' has to become a prick to supporters of military action. Serbia itself has to start finaly taking notice and debate the AI reports on Kosovo until 1999, if they seriously mean to have broken with Milosevic.

Since NATO's attack on Serbia was carried out without explicit authorisation from the security council, that in itself constitutes a war crime.

UN resolutions 1160,1199 and 1203 didn't authorise NATO to
intervene in Kosovo under its pseudo-excuse of humanitarian intervention.

The war on Serbia was carried out by NATO on behalf of US & EU energy corporations in order to provide a long term solution to the transportation of energy to European and US markets.Hence, the establishment of the Bondsteel military base.

As far as NATO leaders being indicted for war crimes and brought to international court this will remain only only a dream because the court was established in order to carry out US and NATO geopolitical tasks.

Too late AI - your organisation could have done things long before thankfully it looks like the Isreali human rights group Almagor is far beyond the talk with a lawsuit being planned in no better a country then gun ho NATO boss at the time of the war crime against Serbia - Solano's home nation Spain read the Jerusalem Post;

Almagor to sue NATO over Serbia
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1239710862408&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

"under Spain's observance of the principle of universal jurisdiction, which holds that for grave crimes such as genocide, terrorism or torture, suspects can be prosecuted in the country even if the alleged offenses have been committed elsewhere.

Several top Spanish nationals, including EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana, who served as NATO secretary general from 1995-1999, are named in Almagor's case, as are officials from many other European countries and the United States - or every country involved in NATO."

seems like AI could have done this in 2002 if they realy wanted to, heck the yellows of Serbia should be persuing this themselves but then I guess yellow by nature!

Shalom

I start to respect AI ... Before I used to think that the only goal of the organisation was the USSR. But here we can see that sometimes they can afford honest steps too. Sure we have to live and see what will happen next.

If it's not a PR for the lack of interest and donors after the fall of the USSR block I'll be very pleased. Yet the move is good cause it reminds us that the crimes against Serbia are still unrevenged.

Cheers !

You have to admire Amnesty International for their concern of human rights and defence of civilians.

Perhaps their attempts won't make any headway, but they have shown principle in not sweeping anything under the carpet - as other international NGO's have.

“If Amnesty International is disregarding the plight of the ethnic Albanians( especially innocent civilians) than A.I.should be ashamed and even if NATO committed a war crime by carelessly harming Serb civilians they did not commit a war crime if they targeted the Serb army including their military targets.
(TCM, 4 May 2009 16:04)”

1. AI has never “disregarded” the plight of the K Albanians, on the contrary it has strongly defended them against the crimes of Milosevic and the Serbian armed forces, as is proper.
2. NATO did not “carelessly” harm Serb civilians when it very deliberately bombed RTS
3. For your info, the decision to bomb RTS was made after RTS reported and showed footage of NATO bombing a group of Albanian refugees fleeing Kosova. Presumably this, unlike RTS, was a war crime done “carelessly” (ie accidentally), but it shows how far removed the reality was from your imaginary picture of NATO targeting the Serb army
4. Regarding “targeting the Serb army,” NATO destroyed 13 Serbian tanks in 11 weeks, and nearly all of those were in the last 2 weeks when NATO was getting a bit desperate. Before that, NATO barely touched the Serbian armed forces in Kosova. The main military targets in the first few weeks were some out of the way barracks and storage facilities somewhere in Serbia.
5. If all of NATO’s bombing of Serb civilian targets was simply a result of “carelessness,” then we would have to conclude that, until the last 2 weeks of the war when they actually hit a few tanks, the entire bombing war was one big carelessness, from the bridges over the Danube (400 miles north of Kosova), to the Nis hospital carpark, hit by cluster bombs, to the little market in the semi-rural town Surdulica, to passenger trains etc.
6. Conversely, with the deliberate non-targetting of the Serb military, it was mostly after the bombing started that the Serbian campaign progressed from a brutal counterinsurgency to a virtual extermination campaign. Before then, about 200,000 Albanians were refugees inside Kosova (where they could form the troops of the KLA and keep the Serb army occupied), after that, 800,000 became refugees outside your country.

Many that supported your struggle didn’t support NATO’s war of terror on Serbian civilians. In one sense I can’t blame you for wanting NATO given what you were experiencing with Serbia. However, the problem had to be worked out by Albanians and Serbs. Even if that would be brutal it wouldn’t be as brutal as the results once you called in the opportunist great war criminal state to deal with a small war crime state. But even if the stark reality didn’t wake you up, the least you can do is keep silent on this shameful episode when Serbs rightly condemn this brutal intervention, rather than trying to justify the unjustifiable.

None of that justifies the equal and opposite attempts by others here to justify the unjustifiable Serbian state crimes against the K Albanians, who are as justified as any independence seekers the world over to want to get out.

TCM

I guess you didn't follow NATOs war in Serbia very closely. Hardly any Serb military targets were destroyed. This created panic within NATO and they shifted focus and began to attack tv stations, hospitals, brigdes, trains, markets filled with people etc in an attempt to force the Serbs to overthrow the Milosevic government.

"Most of the targets hit in Kosovo were decoys".
"World War II-era tanks which were not functional".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War

The true agenda behind NATOs war on Serbia was to occupy Serbia.

"NATO's attack on Yugoslavia aimed to achieve by force something American diplomacy could not: occupation of Yugoslavia, as Annex B of the Rambouillet Accord openly demanded".

"Important land and water routes pass through Yugoslavia. These provide real and potential lines of communication between Europe, the Middle East in Asia, the North Sea and the Caucasus-Caspian zone". http://www.emperors-clothes.com/analysis/corridor.htm

78 days of relentless bombing and still NATO only manages to occupy 12% of Serbias territory. And this is supposedly the mightiest military alliance in the world.

Political Realism in international relations suggests that the strong do what they must and the weak do what they can.

Nothing will happen.

Although I support, and admire AI for their great work on human rights protection, we have to recognize that AI is a voiceless advocate when it comes to impact the decision making and global players.

If AI had been as powerful as some are hoping, suggesting or dreaming to be, it would have had stopped the war in Balkans before it lead to NATO's bombing in Belgrade.

Just an realistic perspective.

Excuse me but Amnesty International is NOT AMERICAN.

It was founded in London and they have never even had an American General Secretary of the organisation, nor do they take money from nation states.

God you Americans really think the world revolves around the USA and that everything (good or bad) comes from there dont you? And then you bang on about that over and over again.

Sooner or later there are going to be mechanisms in order to establish some sort of institution which may deal with the crimes committed by the military alliances. Might won't last forever. At least that is what I hope for.

There are plenty of evidences of NATO’s crimes in Serbia and world wide.

The first crime that NATO committed when it comes to Serbia was breach of the law as it is well known fact that NATO begun air strikes against Serbia without previous UNSC’s approval.

In addition, bombing of RTS was not the only crime against humanity committed during air strikes. What about Grdulicka Klisura and bombing of the train that was full of civilians?
Was that not a crime? And many more, many more.

Iraq and Afghanistan are another sad reality of this criminal military alliance. Civilians are dying on the daily basis and no one seems to give a damn about it. Only in Iraq, in period of 4 years NATO killed more than million civilians and created such a social mess that won’t be solved in decades.

At the present time, no political or military power in the world can judge NATO pact. God will judge you all.

good idea

I sure hope AI will indeed manage to successfully bring proceedings against NATO 'as such' (as an international organisation), despite the immunity from adjudication that NATO has in many national jurisdictions. In my opinion, this would only leave one (theoretical) possibility: the UN General Assembly could request the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for an Advisory Opinion on this matter, since the ICJ would be the only court powerful enough to pierce through NATO's artificial veil of legal immunity (as such immunity would not apply on the international level; only on national levels, especially in countries with NATO presence and concomitant bilateral treaties).