Friday, 01.05.2009.
12:54
Serbs from Kosovska Mitrovica's Brđani neighborhood this morning broke through a Kosovo police, KPS, cordon.
Izvor: Beta
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Kosovar-Serbs demand that they return to their home on the other hand the Kosovar-Albanians cant do that. This is double standards again.
May i remind you ultra nacionalist Serbs that you no longer rule over Kosova, and now you are getting the taste of thing to come in north Mitrovica.
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I want to say bravo to exKFOR officer for bothering and taking his time to write about his experiences...
Once George Orwell said "In time of deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary act".
Justice will prevail.
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Albanians come first because we've been in Dardania for the last 5000 years, while you came in 8th century trying to steal Albo lands.
If you don't like Albanians please move to Serbia because Kosova belongs to Albanians, sooner or later the holy land of Illyrians will reunite.
Cheers....
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exKFORofficer
Wow, your stories are fascinating! I guess it's worse in Kosovo than I originally thought. Not even NATO can control these! I think Serbs should proclaim independence if the Albanians won't give up their strive for independence. Partition the province and let everyone live their own lives. Kosovo of today is Europes Afganistan.
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to (BH_NYC, 2 May 2009 17:42)
basically you are right, we all were still in a wave to "save poor Albanians" and we stood by when everything happened, later it was said just oops and everyone was dreaming to get away from this "bomb-hole" as Kosovo was at least for Scandinavians. This was circus when Deputy COM KFOR, an american rear admiral went to Sami Lushtaku(if I remember his name correctly) and told him he would be detained for max 3 days and asked not to turn "protests" violent -so we had in Srbica for 3 days approx 3000 "peaceful protesters" demanding his release. I am not going to tell how lativan troops were trying to search at this time KPS chiefs summer cottage and what followed, how Jashari`s nephew pointed a gun at a French lieutenant if they wanted to conduct a search ,and after a French platoon came at the scene and then they had a bunch of UCK men with guns facing them, and afterwards the only measure was to declare those villagaes in Drenica "out of bounds" so criminals could do whatever they wanted, how new French Brigade CO told to DAnBn CO he would spoil the latter`s career if there would be any "politically " incorrect conduct. Yes, and once u mentioned about my databases- information on Kos-Albo illegal and criminal deeds in KFOR database was abundant but policy had been already determined. From this point of view I indeed was a nut in the machinery of Thaci and other "snakes" - that is why I did not want to go back there - well if they paid more then I could consider of going back to KiM and pretend of "protecting democratic values".
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to Dulo,
I am ex KFOR as I finished my tour there and there is not point to go back there as KFOR (commanding officers) was not impartial - and I have had chance to go back there once more - at least I was impartial in my duties, so Serbs who were trying to set up booby-traps were not saved either, but I really got sick of Albanians hypocricy.
And during my time at least all interationals were hanging in North Mitro and not in South as there were nice girls to look at, street bars,some beer unlike in Srbica where everyone was stressing they were Muslims - no alcohol - but at the same time drug trafficing was at full swing.
Really, once before March riots I went to Italian carabinieri camp in Prishtina to see how Albanian girls were looking for their way to get out of their beloved home-country. Once you love it, stay there.
Have a nice evening
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……..then you have perfect moral and legitimate right to treat them in the same way.
(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 14:16)
If KFOR wanted to disarm Albanians and/or stop them from ‘expelling’ the Serbs from their homes, they could have (KLA wasn’t stronger than NATO). They either didn’t do this because it wasn’t necessary, or they didn’t want to because they sided with Thaci and helped him ‘ethnically cleanse’ Kosovo. Let me get this straight, you were a KFOR officer, you ‘knew’ that the Serbs were the real victims and you helped Thaci achieve his mission.
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"Any old mosques or other findings that date back to the period in history you always refere to?"
The wonderful thing about history is that the further we go into the future, the more we learn about the past. Population genetics shows the Albanians are a distinct and ancient race, most closely related to the Greeks (and Sardinians). If scientists are able to identify (as they have, just recently) exactly what part of Africa all the rest of the world's populations emigrated from, they'll eventually be able to determine exactly how the Balkans were settled.
While of course there are no "ancient mosques" anywhere in the world, there is probably evidence of early Christian churches in Kosovo.
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To ben
"5. if I am 90% or 97% of population I see no dangerous- I am still an ABSOLUTE majority "
In North Kosovo communities Serbian peoples are ABSOLUTE MAJORITY. So - they can secede from "Republic of Kosova" or not??
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Well, hello again!
let`s take it in order.
To (Michael John, 2 May 2009 08:27) - I was a part of DanBn in 2004 and believe me, my command of written English here does not and cannot refute this fact. And I can assure you if I had more time and will, I`d write in a more "proper" English - my main point here is just to express myself in a foreign language, and it seems that only thing you can get to is language technicalities. To your knowledge, there were and still are plenty of KFOR, UN, EU etc officers who`s English is not at that level what would satisfy your whims, but still, you can enjoy yourself. By the way, it was not me who told about foot soldiers but some of the commentators, but in fact that is TRUE that those soldiers with whom I met,did think like that,and " Anyone even remotely connected with Kfor would laugh in your face for making such a ridiculous statement" - so far noone has done so, even American police officers, or German intelligence officers whom I met last Dec in Estonia. But I would not mind to laugh, it should at least be healthier than spewing gall.
to ben:
well, maybe Albanians are natives in those lands, but then do not tell me that Serbs destroyed every single sign of your predecessors presence there before the Slavs arrival - for me, as a foreigner, historical orthodox buildings serve as material evidence that Serbs were a majority back then. For next I see TUrkish mosques, and Turks were the ones whom Albanians chose to affiliate with. Though, you may not have liked them but you still chose their religion for your gain - a religion that in fact has nothing in common with democratic values. But in the end the so called democracy is anyway a kind of mirage or rather wishful thinking like communism - it is a tool to have power. By the way, there are also Albanians who say that your Illyrian myth has no evidential ground - it is just a fruit of your late 19th Century national awakening - so eventually truth lies where you want to see it.
"In communist Albania a bird could not cross the border" - might be, but you should know that Tito was trying to get ALbania a part of Yugo and right after the war there were no borders, what was reality during nazi occupation too, so that even Germans wrote how Albanians were driving Slavs out from Kosovo - you cannot deny that at this time you had a perfect chance to resettle from Albania proper in those vacant lands - this is just a way how ethnic groups seize neighbours area. We had the same case in Estonia, right after the war the estonins moving away from the border areas, where the firecest battles against the Soviets took place, were not allowed to return, exactly as so called Slav colonists in Kosovo - and instead 10 000-s russians were brought instead who were young and were reproducing very fast. But still their kids and grandchildren live in poorer economic situation than estonians. As far I know Albanians main complain was harrassment in language field and economic stagnation what was caused by unjust allocation of federal funds - so that you had no other option that to secede( well my point is for sure simplified but I hope you get my point). That`s why I broght in this poverty and economic issue. And since the NATO intervention everything has turned vice versa - what is your justification?. ANd believe me, a pile of reports of Albos harrassement against Serbs, and former UCK leaders organised crime related activities we reported was put in drawer as obviously "politically incorrect". Read the last ombudsman Marek Nowitcki`s opinion about Albanians conduct in Kosovo.
In reality I have made a broad research into Kosovo in the light of Un HUman Rights Conventions what include social, cultural etc rights. Among others I examined US military data from the early 1980-s and back then the same institutions had completely another description of the situation of the same era down there than before 1999 bombing. I know that Tito made a land swap and changed Kosovo borders but definately not in favour of Serbs - otherwise there would have been autonomy, like you had, for Serbs in Croatia too.
well, we will not solve the issue of Kosovo here anyway, but this is my personal opinion as both parties have violated against human rights provisions then both should face negative percussions too, it means Albanians should be taken away for example North and those religious sites in the South should have special status with Serb police guarding them - corridors to those "islands" could be secured bu internationals - but at this time like they do in Afghanistan.
one Hungarian professor, by origin from Romania, told that Serbs have inclusive nationalism and Albanians exclusive one - this what he told me when I shared my experience from Kosovo.
Concerning what is going on in Kosovska Mitrovica - it is exactly you have been doing against Serbs, and you would do the same if it were the other way around. I tell u that the way Serbs live is more closer to us than Albanians way - if you go to Strepce this area is much cleaner than Prizren or Vucitrn.
By the way in 2004 a couple of times we tried to start securing the return of Romas to Roma Mahalla in S Mitrovica but guess what was Albanians answer...and later when it was obvious that S-Mitro should have been cordoned off if we finally would have liked to seize piles of rifles from Albanians this request was denied, like info about caches in mosques and schools and how ambulance car was bringing rifles and taking away wounded Albanians - exactly the tactic Palestinians use.
to PZ - Albos is not a derogative word- it is just faster way to write - but I could have used sqhiptar or shiptar - strange attitude of you - russans call us cuhna,cuhoncy and this does not bother me at all - it is their problem. once you are firm in your identety and group affiliation then just some possible pejorative words should not confuse you - if you overreact it just indicates your immaturity, like by the way the certain people in case of Danish cartoons did - if your belief is so strong and faithful then no outside factors should not cause such a bestial outburst as we saw or we probably face again should freedom of opinion expressed again.
But be sure, all countries of the world, including the US would do react exactly like Serb forces in 1998 when UCK activities got out of control. What happened during NATO bombing was just humanly anger as it was probably after NATO occupied Kosovo but somewhy Albanians seem to be pardoned for that, and that is for sure is not in compliance with the principle "equity before the law"
Have a nice day!
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Send our trops ,arrest these criminals,punish the one responsible..
Pan
Ha ha ha! Your troops! They can't even catch a cold much less arrest anyone. By your troops you probably mean KFOR.
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(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 20:18)
Very small chance to believe that you are for real, as Kfor in Kosova enjoy a great time in Prishtina and other towns. As its common among Kfor soldiers that they only wish not to be among the Serb enclaves. Its just a shame to put a post like this and lie.
But if you are for real than no wonder you are an EX Kfor.
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Our government of Kosova needs to end this circus one's and for all..Send our trops ,arrest these criminals,punish the one responsible..
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#38
Mike C
If his name is Michael John
I am Santa Clausovic!
Kosovo je Srbija!
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All these years we've been thinking that the main problems were between Albanians and the Serbs and now finally we are being told that actually the Albos are the ones causing trouble. My dear Serbs, we were so misguided, let us all shake hands and thank some of the commentators for opening our eyes. I know this has to be true, and that’s because it came directly from X-kforofficer Files, not only because I WANT TO BELIEVE.
here's more info: http://www.xfiles.com/
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In communist Albania a bird could not fly out/in.
ben
Are you kidding me!!! How come there are millions of albanians living abroad? Are they all Kosovo albanians? Millions albanians fled Albania and many of them into Kosovo. That is one reason albanians are now a majority there, that and a high birth rate. That's the albanian way of "peacefully" taking over someone elses territory. The same thing is happening in Macedonia. To improve their lives albanians are going there in huge numbers from Albania.
Albanians always claim the right to Kosovo by saying they were there first. But what proof do you have? Any old mosques or other findings that date back to the period in history you always refere to? The truth is that there are no evidence. You are new to this territory, you just don't want to admit it.
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"Your poor command of written English exposes your claim to have ever been an officer in Kfor"
Michael John
Are you for real "Michael John"? The guy is from Estonia. His english is good enough to be a KFOR soilder. You don't have to write perfect english to join the army. Besides, your english is not the best either and your name is Michael John!!! The interesting thing is that as soon as someone, non-serb, critisize the albanians you have to find something wrong with the person or what he/she has to say. I guess you albanians are just to perfect for any negative things to be written about you?
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"To "exKFORofficer" of post #27
It is hghly unlikely that you were ever part of KFOR, let alone an officer. Your poor command of written English exposes your claim to have ever been an officer in Kfor. (Michael John, 2 May 2009 08:27)"
That assumes that to be in KFOR you had to speak English which is not the case.
"OK, I think I get it now. These 5 families are trying to build houses on the grounds of the Decani Monastery.
(Dim Tuc, 1 May 2009 17:25)"
No you don't get it do you. Did I say the 5 families were trying to build these houses on these sites? No. I was pointing out that there is plenty of "Serbian Soul" in Kosovo in response to Ben.
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ExKFORofficer, your ‘knowledge’ on the Balkans, respectively Kosovo, seems to begin upon your arrival in the region. You keep referring to a name Albos, as far as I know there are no people called that name in the Balkans, so I wander where did you get that kind of education?? I’d ask from B92 to stop posting comments which have this kind of derogative words.
Please go read and study some more before making these comments, because history and truth require some deep and sincere studies.
“and one more thing. wweren`t you taught at schools in socialist Yugo math - if you have 5-6 kids in familiy you will never have the same living standard of those with lesser kids.”
“you are like russians here in Estonia who flooded my home country after the WWII and now cry how they are being harrassed.”
These lines tell it all.
What does the number of kids has to do with what is going on in Mitrovica? And please can you elaborate a bit more on the “you are like Russians” sentence, because I lack knowledge on what has really happened in Estonia?
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(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 20:18)
Let’s put some order here:
1. Albanians are autochthon Serbs are Slavic tribes arrived in Europe on VII AC (see lso FYROM_ Greek name dispute). As an officer you should not compromise with your integrity and allow to be manipulated but you should check by your own the FACTS: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/12472/Albania/129453/History#ref=ref476156
Albanians are in their homes with their white hat http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bqL2vM3y72gL/610x.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daylife.com/photo/0bqL2vM3y72gL&h=401&w=610&sz=59&tbnid=bwcfqojC2QggdM::&tbnh=89&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dalbanian%2Bwhite%2Bhat%2Bfoto&hl=en&usg=__8oB6_iNRBMPBhG-CBucIJYt6jrg=&ei=-Vb7SeGKBISsjAe65qmSAw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image plis just as they were in the past for thousands of years their pileus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pileus_(hat)
2. In communist Albania a bird could not fly out/in. Go figure a colonisation of someone’s "holy" land
4. in 2006 in prishitna were killed 3 PEACFUL protesters not mobs as today in north. Which “soft hand” treatment you want for the Serbs in north as in 2004 or 2006???
5. if I am 90% or 97% of population I see no dangerous- I am still an ABSOLUTE majority
8. you should explain me the connection of what we were talking and the poverty and economy of Kosova.
9. your wrong parallel Albanians with Russians in Estonia prove that even after your stay in Kosova and degree as officer you have not learned the different social, economical, historical, political, geo-strategically characteristics of the land where you were deployed with the one that you draw parallels.
10. you also ignore the fact that parts of Leposavic, Zubin Potok were given to Kosova and at the same time the parts in the Presheva valley were taken from Kosova. Operation in order to change the ethnic structure if Kosova.
11. personally I prefer to border with Bulgaria and cut-off the north south russio-serbian-greek influence than keeping 2-3 hills of Leposavic and Zubin Potok. With this you not only ignore the history but also the geo-strategy that YGO/Serbia was doing in Kosova for decades.
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To "exKFORofficer" of post #27
It is hghly unlikely that you were ever part of KFOR, let alone an officer. Your poor command of written English exposes your claim to have ever been an officer in Kfor. In addition, the many claims you make regarding the foot soldier's support of the Serbs is quite ludicrous. Anyone even remotely connected with Kfor would laugh in your face for making such a ridiculous statement.
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>>I completely agree that the Serbs be allowed to return to their homes in Kosovo, just as Albanians. What is right for Albanians should also be right for the Serbs. All should try to put the past behind them and build a future for themselves and their children. All should understand that the Balkans will always be inhabited by Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians... and all should cooperate to achieve a common goal: peace for all.
(Mensa, 1 May 2009 19:05
I totally agree, mensa, and have said so, or more to the point, attempted to say so on numerous occasions. i am quite pleased that for whatever reasons, your comment drew very strong and broad support.
of course the overriding political background is anything but benign or objective. but eulex/ kfor have apparently decided to get off their respective duffs (sorry), and do something of value (the ethnic slurs from the "ex-kfor" not withstanding.)
as for the prevalent media, as i have repeated MANY times, they have a major responsibility to attempt to bridge some of these supposed ethnic/"religious" divides, rather than exacerbating them. if only...
roberto frisco
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MikeC, since when do you have a right to claim that most of these international "foot soldiers" in Kosovo support the view of Serbs? Or are you simply pulling "facts" out of your own buttocks now?
Your recent radicalization and inconsistency has only diminished the relevancy of your comments.
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"Good luck in radicalising Kosovar Albanians."
EA
EA your comments are priceless. You say Serb politics are radicalizing Albanians. Well, let me tell you something you don't seem to know: declaring independence, burning down churches and killing Serbs have radicalized Serbs.
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exKFORofficer
It is widely known that officially the West supports the Kosovo institutions and independence. However, amongst the foot soldiers like yourself there is an overwhelming support for the Serbs. The reason is that they have seen what the Albanians are doing to the minorities in Kosovo. I'm convinced that comments like yours are not something the West wants to get out. However, the truth can't be hidden for ever. Sooner or later the world will have to do something about the horrible crimes committed against the Serbs in Kosovo. It's thanks to you and others that the world can and will, eventually, see the truth. Thank you for the support and your honest opinion.
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It's time for Kosova Security Force to take situation into control!
There are some other ways to deal with these serbian thugs in the north. Enough is enough! They all should be send behind bars, 'cause that's where they belong.
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The various people of the Balkans will never live in peace unless certain things are resolved. Serbs and Albanians can not move forward unless an agreement has been negotiated by both sides and not by outsiders telling the Serbs what is best for them. Albanians can't proclaim independence and expect everyone to go along with it. Resulve the issue by negotiations or you will have continued unrest and eventually the partition of Kosovo. Albanians believe Belgrade cause problems in Kosovo. Your ignoring the real reason there is resistance and problems. It's the Serbs who live there who refuse to accept being killed or chased from their homes by the Albanian majority. This is what will happen if they accept an indepndent Kosovo. Albanians should face reality or suffer the consequences.
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to ben,
among those 22 killed in 2004 are approx half of Serbs. what I know when we were keeping Albos crossing Ibar that French Brigade lost completely control of their troops and Dan Bat CO took the responsibility and ordered to eliminate 4 Albo snipers. C`mon Albos, you are like russians here in Estonia who flooded my home country after the WWII and now cry how they are being harrassed. Just own up to yourself that the less Serbs there are the more "weighty" is your claim over KiM + and that is by the way you profess - majority of you do not want live in Serbia - then why Serbs in KiM should want to live in so called Kosova. I have read a load of classified info about your crimes while being there, and those people walk free by the way, and western countries just turn a blind eye those crimes. As a military I hardly can imagine that our "forest brothers" after WWII who were fighting soviet occupants up to 1970 would have hidden themselves among their intimates as UCK was doing.Only cowards would do that. And collateral damage from Serb forces was justified, the same is happening in Afganistan and it was in Iraq, only those who do that are Americans.
and one more thing. wweren`t you taught at schools in socialist Yugo math - if you have 5-6 kids in familiy you will never have the same living standard of those with lesser kids. So the only you Albos should blame for your poor economical situation are yourself - reasonable people plan their familiy, otherwise one day there will anyway be a fight over resources. So Albos, if Serbs need to pay for their crimes you should be facing it too, unfortunately the same Western "democracies" prefer someway to turn a blind eye to quiet ethnic cleansing by Kosovo communists in Yugo and even openly to ignore what has happened during so called international reign there. IN Estonia russians have used the same tactics, especially in hte NE district, like you did to Serbs. A new state should not become an opressor of its minorities, this is a condition for secession in int law, but in ex-Yugo and especially in KiM it is not complied with and as I told West somewhy is not "bombing" you to follow this principle as it in case of Serbia.
If Serbs are to loose Kosovo they should really to fight at least for the North. I tell you internationals are not interested to spill their blood and many of them know that ALbos should not get things like they are now.
keep going Serbs.
Yes,
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"The local Serbs were carrying Serbian flags and banners reading, "Kosovo is the soul of Serbia", and, "Stop the terror against Serbs"."
That is all about. It is about Serbian politics. Good luck in radicalising Kosovar Albanians.
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The local Serbs were carrying Serbian flags and banners reading, "Kosovo is the soul of Serbia", and, "Stop the terror against Serbs".
This is insane,the very ones that are causin terror are u mister!! does the world has turned backward for these people?
PS: go and fly these flags in Serbia...Kosova got one!(of course the black doublehead eagle)
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I completely agree that the Serbs be allowed to return to their homes in Kosovo, just as Albanians. What is right for Albanians should also be right for the Serbs. All should try to put the past behind them and build a future for themselves and their children. All should understand that the Balkans will always be inhabited by Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians... and all should cooperate to achieve a comman goal: peace for all.
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There was never any sort of agreement. After the war in 1999, the French KFOR simply stopped Albanian refugees from crossing the bridge and returning to their homes north of Ibard and that's how the north of the city became Serb majority. Because it never was that way. Subsequently the "bridge watchers" was tolerated.
There needs not be any sort of agreement, document, signature, protocol of where people should live. Every citizen of Kosova, whatever their ethicity, religion, mother tongue, political belief etc. etc., is entiteled to live their life wherever they desire in the whole territory of the Republic, without any fear, intimidation or discrimination. And it is the duty of the state to protect equally and with devotion every citizen of whatever ethicity or identity without distinction.
Enough with separating people into herds, so that self-appointend herders can keep power over people's lives. If Kosova has to be a normal, european, democratic society, it can not draw yellow lines, keep barbed wires or maintain ethnic ghettos to separate people. Let them live freely and let the police deal harshly with anyone that threatens another on ethnic or religious grounds.
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To my knowledge, the Kosovo government has been financing Serbs in rebuilding their homes throughout Kosovo for some time now, but this is the first time that it has helped Albanians build their own homes. I am thus appalled to see irrational comments about the rebuilding of 5 Albanian homes as acting as a threat to the "bare survival of the Serbian people."
Perhaps most nationalists view as a threat any single good thing coming from their perceptive enemy (here the Albanians) but these in the end are only nationalists who have no following. Just notice how the number of these protesters is dwindling daily and just notice the sheer number of the protesters, grossly under representing Serbs in north Mitrovica. Furthermore, I personally do not see any peaceful democracy in action when all protesters are young males with nothing better to do. An adequate portion of females thus would be welcomed and would make a better case, but a few bitter kids swayed by ideological propaganda will not shift anyone's perspective on the issue.
As someone here reminded all of us, the EU has condemned these acts, along with the government in Prishtina. Belgrade is not officially reacting because they know Serbs here are in the wrong and do not want to draw any further attention.
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Another UN document rewritten by kate!!! Where in the 6 point plan (as if there was really relevance) does it say that EULEX will not deploy in the north. The whole report by the UNSG centers around EULEX's deployment throughout Kosovo.
It does say that UNMIK would control the courthouse in North Mitrovica for a period up to 60 days which should have ended in January.
If you have to rewrite documents to support your arguments you have no arguments.
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The Serb radicals who are trying to prevent 5 Albanian families from rebuilding their own homes on their own property “were carrying banners reading "Stop the terror against Serbs".
And you mean there is no irony in that?
“So Ben what about
Dečani Monastery
Patriarchate of Peć Monastery
Our Lady of Ljeviš
Gračanica Monastery
Not enough Serbian soul there for you?”
OK, I think I get it now. These 5 families are trying to build houses on the grounds of the Decani Monastery.
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(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 14:16)
In 2004 KFOR and UNMIK police killed 22 people. Is this the "soft hand" that you are talking about?
I can only imagine what you mean with hard hand: the 1999 of course.
In 2005 or 2006 other 3 peaceful protesters were killed in Prishtina by Romanian UNMIK police.
Do you want the same "soft hand" treatment for north???
Kosova Govt is financing the construction of K-Serbs houses reports were published here in b92 as well. Now only 5 K-Albanian houses are to be rebuilding in north and the racists and their supporters don't miss the chance to show what and who they are.
It is such a luck for Kosova that EU is there present to testify. Today EU denounced for the second time the violent protests of K-Serbs in north. No reports in Serbian press about that.
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Of course the Serbs will oppose the building of potential KLA headquarters where they live. It is common sense. The Serbs are fighting for their lives.
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To Kosova-USA,
Dear Albo, there is no plan, those Serbs are fighting for their bare survival!!!
The grand plan is yours and we know very well what that is. You dont want anybody else but Albanians left in Kosovo. USA and NATO have created a monster but now it is hard to undo what has been done. You Albanians have been suckered into achieving their political interest and once they dont need you no more they will spit you out. What will you do then?
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Since the reconstruction of these five houses started I’ve been reading comments saying why can’t Serbs return to south of Mitrovica; there is no Serb in the southern part; these are attempts to ethnically cleanse the remaining Serbs, bla bla bla etc etc. So my question to all of you: Will Serbs be satisfied if they return to their property in the southern part of Mitrovica, and forget about the other towns and villages throughout Kosovo? I read some figures in the comments varying from 200.000 – 250.000 displaced Serbs, who I don’t believe to have lived all in the southern part of Mitrovica. So, you have to be a bit pragmatic.
With these demonstrations, Serbs are simply showing their true intention: to destabilize the region and provoke Albanians to react so they can somehow present to the world that an Independent Kosovo is a place where Serbs are being repressed, threatened, endangered etc etc. It won’t work. Serbia is playing through these guys in Mitrovica, but in return these “games” played by Serbs in Mitrovica will keep Serbia hostage on its way to EU.
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Who is giving orders to these 'international forces'?
What is their agenda? To ethnically cleanse the remaining Serbs from Kosovo?
Of course thats exactly what is going on.
Since our president is silent about the EULEX which he brought in, I think that the only thing that remains as an option is upheaval of the people. We ordinary citizens must try to help by going to Kosovo to protest and fight.
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These 5 families do want to return, and they should be allowed.
The are not trying to steal anybody's land as some claim, since they own that land themselves and probably have done so for decades.
Serbs that want to return should be allowed to as well. And the ones that still own land in Kosovo and want to rebuild their property, they should take the same action as these 5 families. And if they are stopped by violent albanian protesters, than Serbs in Mitrovica can have some 'right' to protest.
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"One of the Brđani residents' representatives, Nebojša Minić, said that events today showed that EULEX and KFOR are "taking the side of Albanians", and that "double standards are at work". "
Where is Tadic to say something? Oh yes but this is not a croatian flag stolen from an embassy, so who cares.
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Russia help serbs betrayed by their own "government"...
don't let them complete their ethnic cleansing....
pre 14 godina
EULEX is too soft with these trouble makers tele-guided from BG.
pre 14 godina
EULEX and all UN representatives are breaking an agreement by allowing this building work to go ahead without arranging a reciprochal rehousing for Serbs.
This is appalling what is now happening.
So far, as an outside observer, I have supported Tadic's government, but if they allow this to happen they are showing themselves to be weak and ineffective.
Not only is EULEX only there following agreement on the 6 points (which BTW says that EULEX has no such role in the north), and under the UN umbrella, but it is now using force against a legitimate protest.
Why don't Tadic and Jeremic do something about this? Why doesn't the UN honour its agreements?
A real disgrace.
pre 14 godina
So Ben what about
Dečani Monastery
Patriarchate of Peć Monastery
Our Lady of Ljeviš
Gračanica Monastery
Not enough Serbian soul there for you?
pre 14 godina
The fool hardy European Union along with their masters from the U.S. are getting a small glimpse into what Kosovo means to the Serbian populace. Kosovo is Serbia and always will be. Serbs fought the Turkish Empire for five hundred years and eventually won. Fighting Eulex and the barbarious U.S. administration will be a piece of cake. This is provacation at its best. Little by little the rest of the world will realize that they had be-friended the wrong side. KOSOVO IS SERBIA!
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well done Serbs, I was in KiM in March 2004 and saw how clumsy the internationals were. I really did not get why those albanian criminals were treated so soft-handedly, and to talk about impartiality from internationals side is nonsense. In Danish battalion those Danes who had some connections or relatives married to Serbs were hiding it - what a democracy- like in Soviet Union. Wherever there is a threat to you Serbs, use the same tactic what is used against you. Unless Albos, with the help of internatinals, do not you move freely in your country, then you have perfect moral and legitimate right to treat them in the same way.
head up Serbs
pre 14 godina
If Kosova is the soul of Serbia then Serbia is a dead body. How can you live far from your soul. Even the Serbian Church seat is in Belgrade not in Kosova.
Stop wit these ridiculous lies.
pre 14 godina
International forces used tear gas, stun grenades and rubber bullet against the protesting Serbs throughout this week.
--
What a mature thing to do. Lets use force instead of sitting down and talking to relevant parties.
If both Serbians and Albanians were to start repairing their houses on the "other side" then we wouldn't have this problem. Why would they start attacking when it would risk the safety of their own people on the other side?
But no, lets just allow one side to rebuild and we'll use stun grenades instead. Misguided ideas end up costing a lot more than compromising.
Afghanistan = failure
Iraq = failure
Kosovo = failure
BiH = failure
Croatia = disgrace
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TOTAL = moral and financial bankruptcy
pre 14 godina
The Serbian demands are reasonable, but I think the prevention of Albanian returns lacks judgment because only poor people, in this case five albanian families will suffer as a result of the serbian activism.
I wish they directed Massive civil disobedience in other directions such as border checkpoints, so called Kosovo institutions and EULUX. Take it to the powers and not the little guy
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Bravo our Serbian brothers from Kosovo! Dont give up! EU should be ashamed of allowing this behaviour.
Is 5 Albanian houses/families more important at this moment than return of 200,000 Serbs, Roma, Montenegrins and other non Albanians?! Shame on you. Its not enough that you stole our land, now you want to get rid of the remaining non Albanians as well? Well bloody done. You are digging a very deep hole in Kosovo and I cant wait for the day when you might slip inside it. Justici will prevail.
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This is just ANOTHER endless example of Eulex and Albanian provocation towards the Serbian people. If it wasn't a deliberate provocation, then why wouldn't the K-Albs build somewhere else- and why wouldn't they be told to do so by Eulex??? But the pressure is constantly on the Serbs to accept whatever Eulex feels appropriate...eventually hoping that the Serbs will get tired of these antics. And somehow, I don't think that the Serbs will leave- something that Eulex (and the EU) hadn't planned on. It's not the actual land that's so important to the Serbs, but rather the "soul of the land" which the Serbs can never give up. The K-Albs are simply the pawns that the West is using. And the EU had never put the "Serbian soul" into their "colonial equation"!
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These hoolignas should go back to Belgrade and burn some EU +US embassies.
Their plan is not working in Kosova.
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This is just ANOTHER endless example of Eulex and Albanian provocation towards the Serbian people. If it wasn't a deliberate provocation, then why wouldn't the K-Albs build somewhere else- and why wouldn't they be told to do so by Eulex??? But the pressure is constantly on the Serbs to accept whatever Eulex feels appropriate...eventually hoping that the Serbs will get tired of these antics. And somehow, I don't think that the Serbs will leave- something that Eulex (and the EU) hadn't planned on. It's not the actual land that's so important to the Serbs, but rather the "soul of the land" which the Serbs can never give up. The K-Albs are simply the pawns that the West is using. And the EU had never put the "Serbian soul" into their "colonial equation"!
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well done Serbs, I was in KiM in March 2004 and saw how clumsy the internationals were. I really did not get why those albanian criminals were treated so soft-handedly, and to talk about impartiality from internationals side is nonsense. In Danish battalion those Danes who had some connections or relatives married to Serbs were hiding it - what a democracy- like in Soviet Union. Wherever there is a threat to you Serbs, use the same tactic what is used against you. Unless Albos, with the help of internatinals, do not you move freely in your country, then you have perfect moral and legitimate right to treat them in the same way.
head up Serbs
pre 14 godina
Bravo our Serbian brothers from Kosovo! Dont give up! EU should be ashamed of allowing this behaviour.
Is 5 Albanian houses/families more important at this moment than return of 200,000 Serbs, Roma, Montenegrins and other non Albanians?! Shame on you. Its not enough that you stole our land, now you want to get rid of the remaining non Albanians as well? Well bloody done. You are digging a very deep hole in Kosovo and I cant wait for the day when you might slip inside it. Justici will prevail.
pre 14 godina
The fool hardy European Union along with their masters from the U.S. are getting a small glimpse into what Kosovo means to the Serbian populace. Kosovo is Serbia and always will be. Serbs fought the Turkish Empire for five hundred years and eventually won. Fighting Eulex and the barbarious U.S. administration will be a piece of cake. This is provacation at its best. Little by little the rest of the world will realize that they had be-friended the wrong side. KOSOVO IS SERBIA!
pre 14 godina
These hoolignas should go back to Belgrade and burn some EU +US embassies.
Their plan is not working in Kosova.
pre 14 godina
International forces used tear gas, stun grenades and rubber bullet against the protesting Serbs throughout this week.
--
What a mature thing to do. Lets use force instead of sitting down and talking to relevant parties.
If both Serbians and Albanians were to start repairing their houses on the "other side" then we wouldn't have this problem. Why would they start attacking when it would risk the safety of their own people on the other side?
But no, lets just allow one side to rebuild and we'll use stun grenades instead. Misguided ideas end up costing a lot more than compromising.
Afghanistan = failure
Iraq = failure
Kosovo = failure
BiH = failure
Croatia = disgrace
-----------------------
TOTAL = moral and financial bankruptcy
pre 14 godina
If Kosova is the soul of Serbia then Serbia is a dead body. How can you live far from your soul. Even the Serbian Church seat is in Belgrade not in Kosova.
Stop wit these ridiculous lies.
pre 14 godina
"One of the Brđani residents' representatives, Nebojša Minić, said that events today showed that EULEX and KFOR are "taking the side of Albanians", and that "double standards are at work". "
Where is Tadic to say something? Oh yes but this is not a croatian flag stolen from an embassy, so who cares.
pre 14 godina
EULEX and all UN representatives are breaking an agreement by allowing this building work to go ahead without arranging a reciprochal rehousing for Serbs.
This is appalling what is now happening.
So far, as an outside observer, I have supported Tadic's government, but if they allow this to happen they are showing themselves to be weak and ineffective.
Not only is EULEX only there following agreement on the 6 points (which BTW says that EULEX has no such role in the north), and under the UN umbrella, but it is now using force against a legitimate protest.
Why don't Tadic and Jeremic do something about this? Why doesn't the UN honour its agreements?
A real disgrace.
pre 14 godina
Of course the Serbs will oppose the building of potential KLA headquarters where they live. It is common sense. The Serbs are fighting for their lives.
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To Kosova-USA,
Dear Albo, there is no plan, those Serbs are fighting for their bare survival!!!
The grand plan is yours and we know very well what that is. You dont want anybody else but Albanians left in Kosovo. USA and NATO have created a monster but now it is hard to undo what has been done. You Albanians have been suckered into achieving their political interest and once they dont need you no more they will spit you out. What will you do then?
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Who is giving orders to these 'international forces'?
What is their agenda? To ethnically cleanse the remaining Serbs from Kosovo?
Of course thats exactly what is going on.
Since our president is silent about the EULEX which he brought in, I think that the only thing that remains as an option is upheaval of the people. We ordinary citizens must try to help by going to Kosovo to protest and fight.
pre 14 godina
The Serbian demands are reasonable, but I think the prevention of Albanian returns lacks judgment because only poor people, in this case five albanian families will suffer as a result of the serbian activism.
I wish they directed Massive civil disobedience in other directions such as border checkpoints, so called Kosovo institutions and EULUX. Take it to the powers and not the little guy
pre 14 godina
So Ben what about
Dečani Monastery
Patriarchate of Peć Monastery
Our Lady of Ljeviš
Gračanica Monastery
Not enough Serbian soul there for you?
pre 14 godina
I completely agree that the Serbs be allowed to return to their homes in Kosovo, just as Albanians. What is right for Albanians should also be right for the Serbs. All should try to put the past behind them and build a future for themselves and their children. All should understand that the Balkans will always be inhabited by Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians... and all should cooperate to achieve a comman goal: peace for all.
pre 14 godina
Russia help serbs betrayed by their own "government"...
don't let them complete their ethnic cleansing....
pre 14 godina
These 5 families do want to return, and they should be allowed.
The are not trying to steal anybody's land as some claim, since they own that land themselves and probably have done so for decades.
Serbs that want to return should be allowed to as well. And the ones that still own land in Kosovo and want to rebuild their property, they should take the same action as these 5 families. And if they are stopped by violent albanian protesters, than Serbs in Mitrovica can have some 'right' to protest.
pre 14 godina
EULEX is too soft with these trouble makers tele-guided from BG.
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(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 14:16)
In 2004 KFOR and UNMIK police killed 22 people. Is this the "soft hand" that you are talking about?
I can only imagine what you mean with hard hand: the 1999 of course.
In 2005 or 2006 other 3 peaceful protesters were killed in Prishtina by Romanian UNMIK police.
Do you want the same "soft hand" treatment for north???
Kosova Govt is financing the construction of K-Serbs houses reports were published here in b92 as well. Now only 5 K-Albanian houses are to be rebuilding in north and the racists and their supporters don't miss the chance to show what and who they are.
It is such a luck for Kosova that EU is there present to testify. Today EU denounced for the second time the violent protests of K-Serbs in north. No reports in Serbian press about that.
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to ben,
among those 22 killed in 2004 are approx half of Serbs. what I know when we were keeping Albos crossing Ibar that French Brigade lost completely control of their troops and Dan Bat CO took the responsibility and ordered to eliminate 4 Albo snipers. C`mon Albos, you are like russians here in Estonia who flooded my home country after the WWII and now cry how they are being harrassed. Just own up to yourself that the less Serbs there are the more "weighty" is your claim over KiM + and that is by the way you profess - majority of you do not want live in Serbia - then why Serbs in KiM should want to live in so called Kosova. I have read a load of classified info about your crimes while being there, and those people walk free by the way, and western countries just turn a blind eye those crimes. As a military I hardly can imagine that our "forest brothers" after WWII who were fighting soviet occupants up to 1970 would have hidden themselves among their intimates as UCK was doing.Only cowards would do that. And collateral damage from Serb forces was justified, the same is happening in Afganistan and it was in Iraq, only those who do that are Americans.
and one more thing. wweren`t you taught at schools in socialist Yugo math - if you have 5-6 kids in familiy you will never have the same living standard of those with lesser kids. So the only you Albos should blame for your poor economical situation are yourself - reasonable people plan their familiy, otherwise one day there will anyway be a fight over resources. So Albos, if Serbs need to pay for their crimes you should be facing it too, unfortunately the same Western "democracies" prefer someway to turn a blind eye to quiet ethnic cleansing by Kosovo communists in Yugo and even openly to ignore what has happened during so called international reign there. IN Estonia russians have used the same tactics, especially in hte NE district, like you did to Serbs. A new state should not become an opressor of its minorities, this is a condition for secession in int law, but in ex-Yugo and especially in KiM it is not complied with and as I told West somewhy is not "bombing" you to follow this principle as it in case of Serbia.
If Serbs are to loose Kosovo they should really to fight at least for the North. I tell you internationals are not interested to spill their blood and many of them know that ALbos should not get things like they are now.
keep going Serbs.
Yes,
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The various people of the Balkans will never live in peace unless certain things are resolved. Serbs and Albanians can not move forward unless an agreement has been negotiated by both sides and not by outsiders telling the Serbs what is best for them. Albanians can't proclaim independence and expect everyone to go along with it. Resulve the issue by negotiations or you will have continued unrest and eventually the partition of Kosovo. Albanians believe Belgrade cause problems in Kosovo. Your ignoring the real reason there is resistance and problems. It's the Serbs who live there who refuse to accept being killed or chased from their homes by the Albanian majority. This is what will happen if they accept an indepndent Kosovo. Albanians should face reality or suffer the consequences.
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There was never any sort of agreement. After the war in 1999, the French KFOR simply stopped Albanian refugees from crossing the bridge and returning to their homes north of Ibard and that's how the north of the city became Serb majority. Because it never was that way. Subsequently the "bridge watchers" was tolerated.
There needs not be any sort of agreement, document, signature, protocol of where people should live. Every citizen of Kosova, whatever their ethicity, religion, mother tongue, political belief etc. etc., is entiteled to live their life wherever they desire in the whole territory of the Republic, without any fear, intimidation or discrimination. And it is the duty of the state to protect equally and with devotion every citizen of whatever ethicity or identity without distinction.
Enough with separating people into herds, so that self-appointend herders can keep power over people's lives. If Kosova has to be a normal, european, democratic society, it can not draw yellow lines, keep barbed wires or maintain ethnic ghettos to separate people. Let them live freely and let the police deal harshly with anyone that threatens another on ethnic or religious grounds.
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"Good luck in radicalising Kosovar Albanians."
EA
EA your comments are priceless. You say Serb politics are radicalizing Albanians. Well, let me tell you something you don't seem to know: declaring independence, burning down churches and killing Serbs have radicalized Serbs.
pre 14 godina
Since the reconstruction of these five houses started I’ve been reading comments saying why can’t Serbs return to south of Mitrovica; there is no Serb in the southern part; these are attempts to ethnically cleanse the remaining Serbs, bla bla bla etc etc. So my question to all of you: Will Serbs be satisfied if they return to their property in the southern part of Mitrovica, and forget about the other towns and villages throughout Kosovo? I read some figures in the comments varying from 200.000 – 250.000 displaced Serbs, who I don’t believe to have lived all in the southern part of Mitrovica. So, you have to be a bit pragmatic.
With these demonstrations, Serbs are simply showing their true intention: to destabilize the region and provoke Albanians to react so they can somehow present to the world that an Independent Kosovo is a place where Serbs are being repressed, threatened, endangered etc etc. It won’t work. Serbia is playing through these guys in Mitrovica, but in return these “games” played by Serbs in Mitrovica will keep Serbia hostage on its way to EU.
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exKFORofficer
It is widely known that officially the West supports the Kosovo institutions and independence. However, amongst the foot soldiers like yourself there is an overwhelming support for the Serbs. The reason is that they have seen what the Albanians are doing to the minorities in Kosovo. I'm convinced that comments like yours are not something the West wants to get out. However, the truth can't be hidden for ever. Sooner or later the world will have to do something about the horrible crimes committed against the Serbs in Kosovo. It's thanks to you and others that the world can and will, eventually, see the truth. Thank you for the support and your honest opinion.
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To my knowledge, the Kosovo government has been financing Serbs in rebuilding their homes throughout Kosovo for some time now, but this is the first time that it has helped Albanians build their own homes. I am thus appalled to see irrational comments about the rebuilding of 5 Albanian homes as acting as a threat to the "bare survival of the Serbian people."
Perhaps most nationalists view as a threat any single good thing coming from their perceptive enemy (here the Albanians) but these in the end are only nationalists who have no following. Just notice how the number of these protesters is dwindling daily and just notice the sheer number of the protesters, grossly under representing Serbs in north Mitrovica. Furthermore, I personally do not see any peaceful democracy in action when all protesters are young males with nothing better to do. An adequate portion of females thus would be welcomed and would make a better case, but a few bitter kids swayed by ideological propaganda will not shift anyone's perspective on the issue.
As someone here reminded all of us, the EU has condemned these acts, along with the government in Prishtina. Belgrade is not officially reacting because they know Serbs here are in the wrong and do not want to draw any further attention.
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"Your poor command of written English exposes your claim to have ever been an officer in Kfor"
Michael John
Are you for real "Michael John"? The guy is from Estonia. His english is good enough to be a KFOR soilder. You don't have to write perfect english to join the army. Besides, your english is not the best either and your name is Michael John!!! The interesting thing is that as soon as someone, non-serb, critisize the albanians you have to find something wrong with the person or what he/she has to say. I guess you albanians are just to perfect for any negative things to be written about you?
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The local Serbs were carrying Serbian flags and banners reading, "Kosovo is the soul of Serbia", and, "Stop the terror against Serbs".
This is insane,the very ones that are causin terror are u mister!! does the world has turned backward for these people?
PS: go and fly these flags in Serbia...Kosova got one!(of course the black doublehead eagle)
pre 14 godina
Another UN document rewritten by kate!!! Where in the 6 point plan (as if there was really relevance) does it say that EULEX will not deploy in the north. The whole report by the UNSG centers around EULEX's deployment throughout Kosovo.
It does say that UNMIK would control the courthouse in North Mitrovica for a period up to 60 days which should have ended in January.
If you have to rewrite documents to support your arguments you have no arguments.
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The Serb radicals who are trying to prevent 5 Albanian families from rebuilding their own homes on their own property “were carrying banners reading "Stop the terror against Serbs".
And you mean there is no irony in that?
“So Ben what about
Dečani Monastery
Patriarchate of Peć Monastery
Our Lady of Ljeviš
Gračanica Monastery
Not enough Serbian soul there for you?”
OK, I think I get it now. These 5 families are trying to build houses on the grounds of the Decani Monastery.
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"The local Serbs were carrying Serbian flags and banners reading, "Kosovo is the soul of Serbia", and, "Stop the terror against Serbs"."
That is all about. It is about Serbian politics. Good luck in radicalising Kosovar Albanians.
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#38
Mike C
If his name is Michael John
I am Santa Clausovic!
Kosovo je Srbija!
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"To "exKFORofficer" of post #27
It is hghly unlikely that you were ever part of KFOR, let alone an officer. Your poor command of written English exposes your claim to have ever been an officer in Kfor. (Michael John, 2 May 2009 08:27)"
That assumes that to be in KFOR you had to speak English which is not the case.
"OK, I think I get it now. These 5 families are trying to build houses on the grounds of the Decani Monastery.
(Dim Tuc, 1 May 2009 17:25)"
No you don't get it do you. Did I say the 5 families were trying to build these houses on these sites? No. I was pointing out that there is plenty of "Serbian Soul" in Kosovo in response to Ben.
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In communist Albania a bird could not fly out/in.
ben
Are you kidding me!!! How come there are millions of albanians living abroad? Are they all Kosovo albanians? Millions albanians fled Albania and many of them into Kosovo. That is one reason albanians are now a majority there, that and a high birth rate. That's the albanian way of "peacefully" taking over someone elses territory. The same thing is happening in Macedonia. To improve their lives albanians are going there in huge numbers from Albania.
Albanians always claim the right to Kosovo by saying they were there first. But what proof do you have? Any old mosques or other findings that date back to the period in history you always refere to? The truth is that there are no evidence. You are new to this territory, you just don't want to admit it.
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to Dulo,
I am ex KFOR as I finished my tour there and there is not point to go back there as KFOR (commanding officers) was not impartial - and I have had chance to go back there once more - at least I was impartial in my duties, so Serbs who were trying to set up booby-traps were not saved either, but I really got sick of Albanians hypocricy.
And during my time at least all interationals were hanging in North Mitro and not in South as there were nice girls to look at, street bars,some beer unlike in Srbica where everyone was stressing they were Muslims - no alcohol - but at the same time drug trafficing was at full swing.
Really, once before March riots I went to Italian carabinieri camp in Prishtina to see how Albanian girls were looking for their way to get out of their beloved home-country. Once you love it, stay there.
Have a nice evening
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to (BH_NYC, 2 May 2009 17:42)
basically you are right, we all were still in a wave to "save poor Albanians" and we stood by when everything happened, later it was said just oops and everyone was dreaming to get away from this "bomb-hole" as Kosovo was at least for Scandinavians. This was circus when Deputy COM KFOR, an american rear admiral went to Sami Lushtaku(if I remember his name correctly) and told him he would be detained for max 3 days and asked not to turn "protests" violent -so we had in Srbica for 3 days approx 3000 "peaceful protesters" demanding his release. I am not going to tell how lativan troops were trying to search at this time KPS chiefs summer cottage and what followed, how Jashari`s nephew pointed a gun at a French lieutenant if they wanted to conduct a search ,and after a French platoon came at the scene and then they had a bunch of UCK men with guns facing them, and afterwards the only measure was to declare those villagaes in Drenica "out of bounds" so criminals could do whatever they wanted, how new French Brigade CO told to DAnBn CO he would spoil the latter`s career if there would be any "politically " incorrect conduct. Yes, and once u mentioned about my databases- information on Kos-Albo illegal and criminal deeds in KFOR database was abundant but policy had been already determined. From this point of view I indeed was a nut in the machinery of Thaci and other "snakes" - that is why I did not want to go back there - well if they paid more then I could consider of going back to KiM and pretend of "protecting democratic values".
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Send our trops ,arrest these criminals,punish the one responsible..
Pan
Ha ha ha! Your troops! They can't even catch a cold much less arrest anyone. By your troops you probably mean KFOR.
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(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 20:18)
Let’s put some order here:
1. Albanians are autochthon Serbs are Slavic tribes arrived in Europe on VII AC (see lso FYROM_ Greek name dispute). As an officer you should not compromise with your integrity and allow to be manipulated but you should check by your own the FACTS: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/12472/Albania/129453/History#ref=ref476156
Albanians are in their homes with their white hat http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bqL2vM3y72gL/610x.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daylife.com/photo/0bqL2vM3y72gL&h=401&w=610&sz=59&tbnid=bwcfqojC2QggdM::&tbnh=89&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dalbanian%2Bwhite%2Bhat%2Bfoto&hl=en&usg=__8oB6_iNRBMPBhG-CBucIJYt6jrg=&ei=-Vb7SeGKBISsjAe65qmSAw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image plis just as they were in the past for thousands of years their pileus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pileus_(hat)
2. In communist Albania a bird could not fly out/in. Go figure a colonisation of someone’s "holy" land
4. in 2006 in prishitna were killed 3 PEACFUL protesters not mobs as today in north. Which “soft hand” treatment you want for the Serbs in north as in 2004 or 2006???
5. if I am 90% or 97% of population I see no dangerous- I am still an ABSOLUTE majority
8. you should explain me the connection of what we were talking and the poverty and economy of Kosova.
9. your wrong parallel Albanians with Russians in Estonia prove that even after your stay in Kosova and degree as officer you have not learned the different social, economical, historical, political, geo-strategically characteristics of the land where you were deployed with the one that you draw parallels.
10. you also ignore the fact that parts of Leposavic, Zubin Potok were given to Kosova and at the same time the parts in the Presheva valley were taken from Kosova. Operation in order to change the ethnic structure if Kosova.
11. personally I prefer to border with Bulgaria and cut-off the north south russio-serbian-greek influence than keeping 2-3 hills of Leposavic and Zubin Potok. With this you not only ignore the history but also the geo-strategy that YGO/Serbia was doing in Kosova for decades.
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Well, hello again!
let`s take it in order.
To (Michael John, 2 May 2009 08:27) - I was a part of DanBn in 2004 and believe me, my command of written English here does not and cannot refute this fact. And I can assure you if I had more time and will, I`d write in a more "proper" English - my main point here is just to express myself in a foreign language, and it seems that only thing you can get to is language technicalities. To your knowledge, there were and still are plenty of KFOR, UN, EU etc officers who`s English is not at that level what would satisfy your whims, but still, you can enjoy yourself. By the way, it was not me who told about foot soldiers but some of the commentators, but in fact that is TRUE that those soldiers with whom I met,did think like that,and " Anyone even remotely connected with Kfor would laugh in your face for making such a ridiculous statement" - so far noone has done so, even American police officers, or German intelligence officers whom I met last Dec in Estonia. But I would not mind to laugh, it should at least be healthier than spewing gall.
to ben:
well, maybe Albanians are natives in those lands, but then do not tell me that Serbs destroyed every single sign of your predecessors presence there before the Slavs arrival - for me, as a foreigner, historical orthodox buildings serve as material evidence that Serbs were a majority back then. For next I see TUrkish mosques, and Turks were the ones whom Albanians chose to affiliate with. Though, you may not have liked them but you still chose their religion for your gain - a religion that in fact has nothing in common with democratic values. But in the end the so called democracy is anyway a kind of mirage or rather wishful thinking like communism - it is a tool to have power. By the way, there are also Albanians who say that your Illyrian myth has no evidential ground - it is just a fruit of your late 19th Century national awakening - so eventually truth lies where you want to see it.
"In communist Albania a bird could not cross the border" - might be, but you should know that Tito was trying to get ALbania a part of Yugo and right after the war there were no borders, what was reality during nazi occupation too, so that even Germans wrote how Albanians were driving Slavs out from Kosovo - you cannot deny that at this time you had a perfect chance to resettle from Albania proper in those vacant lands - this is just a way how ethnic groups seize neighbours area. We had the same case in Estonia, right after the war the estonins moving away from the border areas, where the firecest battles against the Soviets took place, were not allowed to return, exactly as so called Slav colonists in Kosovo - and instead 10 000-s russians were brought instead who were young and were reproducing very fast. But still their kids and grandchildren live in poorer economic situation than estonians. As far I know Albanians main complain was harrassment in language field and economic stagnation what was caused by unjust allocation of federal funds - so that you had no other option that to secede( well my point is for sure simplified but I hope you get my point). That`s why I broght in this poverty and economic issue. And since the NATO intervention everything has turned vice versa - what is your justification?. ANd believe me, a pile of reports of Albos harrassement against Serbs, and former UCK leaders organised crime related activities we reported was put in drawer as obviously "politically incorrect". Read the last ombudsman Marek Nowitcki`s opinion about Albanians conduct in Kosovo.
In reality I have made a broad research into Kosovo in the light of Un HUman Rights Conventions what include social, cultural etc rights. Among others I examined US military data from the early 1980-s and back then the same institutions had completely another description of the situation of the same era down there than before 1999 bombing. I know that Tito made a land swap and changed Kosovo borders but definately not in favour of Serbs - otherwise there would have been autonomy, like you had, for Serbs in Croatia too.
well, we will not solve the issue of Kosovo here anyway, but this is my personal opinion as both parties have violated against human rights provisions then both should face negative percussions too, it means Albanians should be taken away for example North and those religious sites in the South should have special status with Serb police guarding them - corridors to those "islands" could be secured bu internationals - but at this time like they do in Afghanistan.
one Hungarian professor, by origin from Romania, told that Serbs have inclusive nationalism and Albanians exclusive one - this what he told me when I shared my experience from Kosovo.
Concerning what is going on in Kosovska Mitrovica - it is exactly you have been doing against Serbs, and you would do the same if it were the other way around. I tell u that the way Serbs live is more closer to us than Albanians way - if you go to Strepce this area is much cleaner than Prizren or Vucitrn.
By the way in 2004 a couple of times we tried to start securing the return of Romas to Roma Mahalla in S Mitrovica but guess what was Albanians answer...and later when it was obvious that S-Mitro should have been cordoned off if we finally would have liked to seize piles of rifles from Albanians this request was denied, like info about caches in mosques and schools and how ambulance car was bringing rifles and taking away wounded Albanians - exactly the tactic Palestinians use.
to PZ - Albos is not a derogative word- it is just faster way to write - but I could have used sqhiptar or shiptar - strange attitude of you - russans call us cuhna,cuhoncy and this does not bother me at all - it is their problem. once you are firm in your identety and group affiliation then just some possible pejorative words should not confuse you - if you overreact it just indicates your immaturity, like by the way the certain people in case of Danish cartoons did - if your belief is so strong and faithful then no outside factors should not cause such a bestial outburst as we saw or we probably face again should freedom of opinion expressed again.
But be sure, all countries of the world, including the US would do react exactly like Serb forces in 1998 when UCK activities got out of control. What happened during NATO bombing was just humanly anger as it was probably after NATO occupied Kosovo but somewhy Albanians seem to be pardoned for that, and that is for sure is not in compliance with the principle "equity before the law"
Have a nice day!
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It's time for Kosova Security Force to take situation into control!
There are some other ways to deal with these serbian thugs in the north. Enough is enough! They all should be send behind bars, 'cause that's where they belong.
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To "exKFORofficer" of post #27
It is hghly unlikely that you were ever part of KFOR, let alone an officer. Your poor command of written English exposes your claim to have ever been an officer in Kfor. In addition, the many claims you make regarding the foot soldier's support of the Serbs is quite ludicrous. Anyone even remotely connected with Kfor would laugh in your face for making such a ridiculous statement.
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To ben
"5. if I am 90% or 97% of population I see no dangerous- I am still an ABSOLUTE majority "
In North Kosovo communities Serbian peoples are ABSOLUTE MAJORITY. So - they can secede from "Republic of Kosova" or not??
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exKFORofficer
Wow, your stories are fascinating! I guess it's worse in Kosovo than I originally thought. Not even NATO can control these! I think Serbs should proclaim independence if the Albanians won't give up their strive for independence. Partition the province and let everyone live their own lives. Kosovo of today is Europes Afganistan.
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……..then you have perfect moral and legitimate right to treat them in the same way.
(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 14:16)
If KFOR wanted to disarm Albanians and/or stop them from ‘expelling’ the Serbs from their homes, they could have (KLA wasn’t stronger than NATO). They either didn’t do this because it wasn’t necessary, or they didn’t want to because they sided with Thaci and helped him ‘ethnically cleanse’ Kosovo. Let me get this straight, you were a KFOR officer, you ‘knew’ that the Serbs were the real victims and you helped Thaci achieve his mission.
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Our government of Kosova needs to end this circus one's and for all..Send our trops ,arrest these criminals,punish the one responsible..
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Albanians come first because we've been in Dardania for the last 5000 years, while you came in 8th century trying to steal Albo lands.
If you don't like Albanians please move to Serbia because Kosova belongs to Albanians, sooner or later the holy land of Illyrians will reunite.
Cheers....
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I want to say bravo to exKFOR officer for bothering and taking his time to write about his experiences...
Once George Orwell said "In time of deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary act".
Justice will prevail.
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>>I completely agree that the Serbs be allowed to return to their homes in Kosovo, just as Albanians. What is right for Albanians should also be right for the Serbs. All should try to put the past behind them and build a future for themselves and their children. All should understand that the Balkans will always be inhabited by Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians... and all should cooperate to achieve a common goal: peace for all.
(Mensa, 1 May 2009 19:05
I totally agree, mensa, and have said so, or more to the point, attempted to say so on numerous occasions. i am quite pleased that for whatever reasons, your comment drew very strong and broad support.
of course the overriding political background is anything but benign or objective. but eulex/ kfor have apparently decided to get off their respective duffs (sorry), and do something of value (the ethnic slurs from the "ex-kfor" not withstanding.)
as for the prevalent media, as i have repeated MANY times, they have a major responsibility to attempt to bridge some of these supposed ethnic/"religious" divides, rather than exacerbating them. if only...
roberto frisco
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ExKFORofficer, your ‘knowledge’ on the Balkans, respectively Kosovo, seems to begin upon your arrival in the region. You keep referring to a name Albos, as far as I know there are no people called that name in the Balkans, so I wander where did you get that kind of education?? I’d ask from B92 to stop posting comments which have this kind of derogative words.
Please go read and study some more before making these comments, because history and truth require some deep and sincere studies.
“and one more thing. wweren`t you taught at schools in socialist Yugo math - if you have 5-6 kids in familiy you will never have the same living standard of those with lesser kids.”
“you are like russians here in Estonia who flooded my home country after the WWII and now cry how they are being harrassed.”
These lines tell it all.
What does the number of kids has to do with what is going on in Mitrovica? And please can you elaborate a bit more on the “you are like Russians” sentence, because I lack knowledge on what has really happened in Estonia?
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(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 20:18)
Very small chance to believe that you are for real, as Kfor in Kosova enjoy a great time in Prishtina and other towns. As its common among Kfor soldiers that they only wish not to be among the Serb enclaves. Its just a shame to put a post like this and lie.
But if you are for real than no wonder you are an EX Kfor.
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MikeC, since when do you have a right to claim that most of these international "foot soldiers" in Kosovo support the view of Serbs? Or are you simply pulling "facts" out of your own buttocks now?
Your recent radicalization and inconsistency has only diminished the relevancy of your comments.
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Kosovar-Serbs demand that they return to their home on the other hand the Kosovar-Albanians cant do that. This is double standards again.
May i remind you ultra nacionalist Serbs that you no longer rule over Kosova, and now you are getting the taste of thing to come in north Mitrovica.
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"Any old mosques or other findings that date back to the period in history you always refere to?"
The wonderful thing about history is that the further we go into the future, the more we learn about the past. Population genetics shows the Albanians are a distinct and ancient race, most closely related to the Greeks (and Sardinians). If scientists are able to identify (as they have, just recently) exactly what part of Africa all the rest of the world's populations emigrated from, they'll eventually be able to determine exactly how the Balkans were settled.
While of course there are no "ancient mosques" anywhere in the world, there is probably evidence of early Christian churches in Kosovo.
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All these years we've been thinking that the main problems were between Albanians and the Serbs and now finally we are being told that actually the Albos are the ones causing trouble. My dear Serbs, we were so misguided, let us all shake hands and thank some of the commentators for opening our eyes. I know this has to be true, and that’s because it came directly from X-kforofficer Files, not only because I WANT TO BELIEVE.
here's more info: http://www.xfiles.com/
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These hoolignas should go back to Belgrade and burn some EU +US embassies.
Their plan is not working in Kosova.
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If Kosova is the soul of Serbia then Serbia is a dead body. How can you live far from your soul. Even the Serbian Church seat is in Belgrade not in Kosova.
Stop wit these ridiculous lies.
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This is just ANOTHER endless example of Eulex and Albanian provocation towards the Serbian people. If it wasn't a deliberate provocation, then why wouldn't the K-Albs build somewhere else- and why wouldn't they be told to do so by Eulex??? But the pressure is constantly on the Serbs to accept whatever Eulex feels appropriate...eventually hoping that the Serbs will get tired of these antics. And somehow, I don't think that the Serbs will leave- something that Eulex (and the EU) hadn't planned on. It's not the actual land that's so important to the Serbs, but rather the "soul of the land" which the Serbs can never give up. The K-Albs are simply the pawns that the West is using. And the EU had never put the "Serbian soul" into their "colonial equation"!
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Bravo our Serbian brothers from Kosovo! Dont give up! EU should be ashamed of allowing this behaviour.
Is 5 Albanian houses/families more important at this moment than return of 200,000 Serbs, Roma, Montenegrins and other non Albanians?! Shame on you. Its not enough that you stole our land, now you want to get rid of the remaining non Albanians as well? Well bloody done. You are digging a very deep hole in Kosovo and I cant wait for the day when you might slip inside it. Justici will prevail.
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The fool hardy European Union along with their masters from the U.S. are getting a small glimpse into what Kosovo means to the Serbian populace. Kosovo is Serbia and always will be. Serbs fought the Turkish Empire for five hundred years and eventually won. Fighting Eulex and the barbarious U.S. administration will be a piece of cake. This is provacation at its best. Little by little the rest of the world will realize that they had be-friended the wrong side. KOSOVO IS SERBIA!
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well done Serbs, I was in KiM in March 2004 and saw how clumsy the internationals were. I really did not get why those albanian criminals were treated so soft-handedly, and to talk about impartiality from internationals side is nonsense. In Danish battalion those Danes who had some connections or relatives married to Serbs were hiding it - what a democracy- like in Soviet Union. Wherever there is a threat to you Serbs, use the same tactic what is used against you. Unless Albos, with the help of internatinals, do not you move freely in your country, then you have perfect moral and legitimate right to treat them in the same way.
head up Serbs
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International forces used tear gas, stun grenades and rubber bullet against the protesting Serbs throughout this week.
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What a mature thing to do. Lets use force instead of sitting down and talking to relevant parties.
If both Serbians and Albanians were to start repairing their houses on the "other side" then we wouldn't have this problem. Why would they start attacking when it would risk the safety of their own people on the other side?
But no, lets just allow one side to rebuild and we'll use stun grenades instead. Misguided ideas end up costing a lot more than compromising.
Afghanistan = failure
Iraq = failure
Kosovo = failure
BiH = failure
Croatia = disgrace
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TOTAL = moral and financial bankruptcy
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EULEX is too soft with these trouble makers tele-guided from BG.
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Since the reconstruction of these five houses started I’ve been reading comments saying why can’t Serbs return to south of Mitrovica; there is no Serb in the southern part; these are attempts to ethnically cleanse the remaining Serbs, bla bla bla etc etc. So my question to all of you: Will Serbs be satisfied if they return to their property in the southern part of Mitrovica, and forget about the other towns and villages throughout Kosovo? I read some figures in the comments varying from 200.000 – 250.000 displaced Serbs, who I don’t believe to have lived all in the southern part of Mitrovica. So, you have to be a bit pragmatic.
With these demonstrations, Serbs are simply showing their true intention: to destabilize the region and provoke Albanians to react so they can somehow present to the world that an Independent Kosovo is a place where Serbs are being repressed, threatened, endangered etc etc. It won’t work. Serbia is playing through these guys in Mitrovica, but in return these “games” played by Serbs in Mitrovica will keep Serbia hostage on its way to EU.
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(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 14:16)
In 2004 KFOR and UNMIK police killed 22 people. Is this the "soft hand" that you are talking about?
I can only imagine what you mean with hard hand: the 1999 of course.
In 2005 or 2006 other 3 peaceful protesters were killed in Prishtina by Romanian UNMIK police.
Do you want the same "soft hand" treatment for north???
Kosova Govt is financing the construction of K-Serbs houses reports were published here in b92 as well. Now only 5 K-Albanian houses are to be rebuilding in north and the racists and their supporters don't miss the chance to show what and who they are.
It is such a luck for Kosova that EU is there present to testify. Today EU denounced for the second time the violent protests of K-Serbs in north. No reports in Serbian press about that.
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Of course the Serbs will oppose the building of potential KLA headquarters where they live. It is common sense. The Serbs are fighting for their lives.
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So Ben what about
Dečani Monastery
Patriarchate of Peć Monastery
Our Lady of Ljeviš
Gračanica Monastery
Not enough Serbian soul there for you?
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To Kosova-USA,
Dear Albo, there is no plan, those Serbs are fighting for their bare survival!!!
The grand plan is yours and we know very well what that is. You dont want anybody else but Albanians left in Kosovo. USA and NATO have created a monster but now it is hard to undo what has been done. You Albanians have been suckered into achieving their political interest and once they dont need you no more they will spit you out. What will you do then?
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Who is giving orders to these 'international forces'?
What is their agenda? To ethnically cleanse the remaining Serbs from Kosovo?
Of course thats exactly what is going on.
Since our president is silent about the EULEX which he brought in, I think that the only thing that remains as an option is upheaval of the people. We ordinary citizens must try to help by going to Kosovo to protest and fight.
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EULEX and all UN representatives are breaking an agreement by allowing this building work to go ahead without arranging a reciprochal rehousing for Serbs.
This is appalling what is now happening.
So far, as an outside observer, I have supported Tadic's government, but if they allow this to happen they are showing themselves to be weak and ineffective.
Not only is EULEX only there following agreement on the 6 points (which BTW says that EULEX has no such role in the north), and under the UN umbrella, but it is now using force against a legitimate protest.
Why don't Tadic and Jeremic do something about this? Why doesn't the UN honour its agreements?
A real disgrace.
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It's time for Kosova Security Force to take situation into control!
There are some other ways to deal with these serbian thugs in the north. Enough is enough! They all should be send behind bars, 'cause that's where they belong.
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The Serb radicals who are trying to prevent 5 Albanian families from rebuilding their own homes on their own property “were carrying banners reading "Stop the terror against Serbs".
And you mean there is no irony in that?
“So Ben what about
Dečani Monastery
Patriarchate of Peć Monastery
Our Lady of Ljeviš
Gračanica Monastery
Not enough Serbian soul there for you?”
OK, I think I get it now. These 5 families are trying to build houses on the grounds of the Decani Monastery.
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To my knowledge, the Kosovo government has been financing Serbs in rebuilding their homes throughout Kosovo for some time now, but this is the first time that it has helped Albanians build their own homes. I am thus appalled to see irrational comments about the rebuilding of 5 Albanian homes as acting as a threat to the "bare survival of the Serbian people."
Perhaps most nationalists view as a threat any single good thing coming from their perceptive enemy (here the Albanians) but these in the end are only nationalists who have no following. Just notice how the number of these protesters is dwindling daily and just notice the sheer number of the protesters, grossly under representing Serbs in north Mitrovica. Furthermore, I personally do not see any peaceful democracy in action when all protesters are young males with nothing better to do. An adequate portion of females thus would be welcomed and would make a better case, but a few bitter kids swayed by ideological propaganda will not shift anyone's perspective on the issue.
As someone here reminded all of us, the EU has condemned these acts, along with the government in Prishtina. Belgrade is not officially reacting because they know Serbs here are in the wrong and do not want to draw any further attention.
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The local Serbs were carrying Serbian flags and banners reading, "Kosovo is the soul of Serbia", and, "Stop the terror against Serbs".
This is insane,the very ones that are causin terror are u mister!! does the world has turned backward for these people?
PS: go and fly these flags in Serbia...Kosova got one!(of course the black doublehead eagle)
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"The local Serbs were carrying Serbian flags and banners reading, "Kosovo is the soul of Serbia", and, "Stop the terror against Serbs"."
That is all about. It is about Serbian politics. Good luck in radicalising Kosovar Albanians.
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These 5 families do want to return, and they should be allowed.
The are not trying to steal anybody's land as some claim, since they own that land themselves and probably have done so for decades.
Serbs that want to return should be allowed to as well. And the ones that still own land in Kosovo and want to rebuild their property, they should take the same action as these 5 families. And if they are stopped by violent albanian protesters, than Serbs in Mitrovica can have some 'right' to protest.
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Another UN document rewritten by kate!!! Where in the 6 point plan (as if there was really relevance) does it say that EULEX will not deploy in the north. The whole report by the UNSG centers around EULEX's deployment throughout Kosovo.
It does say that UNMIK would control the courthouse in North Mitrovica for a period up to 60 days which should have ended in January.
If you have to rewrite documents to support your arguments you have no arguments.
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to ben,
among those 22 killed in 2004 are approx half of Serbs. what I know when we were keeping Albos crossing Ibar that French Brigade lost completely control of their troops and Dan Bat CO took the responsibility and ordered to eliminate 4 Albo snipers. C`mon Albos, you are like russians here in Estonia who flooded my home country after the WWII and now cry how they are being harrassed. Just own up to yourself that the less Serbs there are the more "weighty" is your claim over KiM + and that is by the way you profess - majority of you do not want live in Serbia - then why Serbs in KiM should want to live in so called Kosova. I have read a load of classified info about your crimes while being there, and those people walk free by the way, and western countries just turn a blind eye those crimes. As a military I hardly can imagine that our "forest brothers" after WWII who were fighting soviet occupants up to 1970 would have hidden themselves among their intimates as UCK was doing.Only cowards would do that. And collateral damage from Serb forces was justified, the same is happening in Afganistan and it was in Iraq, only those who do that are Americans.
and one more thing. wweren`t you taught at schools in socialist Yugo math - if you have 5-6 kids in familiy you will never have the same living standard of those with lesser kids. So the only you Albos should blame for your poor economical situation are yourself - reasonable people plan their familiy, otherwise one day there will anyway be a fight over resources. So Albos, if Serbs need to pay for their crimes you should be facing it too, unfortunately the same Western "democracies" prefer someway to turn a blind eye to quiet ethnic cleansing by Kosovo communists in Yugo and even openly to ignore what has happened during so called international reign there. IN Estonia russians have used the same tactics, especially in hte NE district, like you did to Serbs. A new state should not become an opressor of its minorities, this is a condition for secession in int law, but in ex-Yugo and especially in KiM it is not complied with and as I told West somewhy is not "bombing" you to follow this principle as it in case of Serbia.
If Serbs are to loose Kosovo they should really to fight at least for the North. I tell you internationals are not interested to spill their blood and many of them know that ALbos should not get things like they are now.
keep going Serbs.
Yes,
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"One of the Brđani residents' representatives, Nebojša Minić, said that events today showed that EULEX and KFOR are "taking the side of Albanians", and that "double standards are at work". "
Where is Tadic to say something? Oh yes but this is not a croatian flag stolen from an embassy, so who cares.
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Russia help serbs betrayed by their own "government"...
don't let them complete their ethnic cleansing....
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There was never any sort of agreement. After the war in 1999, the French KFOR simply stopped Albanian refugees from crossing the bridge and returning to their homes north of Ibard and that's how the north of the city became Serb majority. Because it never was that way. Subsequently the "bridge watchers" was tolerated.
There needs not be any sort of agreement, document, signature, protocol of where people should live. Every citizen of Kosova, whatever their ethicity, religion, mother tongue, political belief etc. etc., is entiteled to live their life wherever they desire in the whole territory of the Republic, without any fear, intimidation or discrimination. And it is the duty of the state to protect equally and with devotion every citizen of whatever ethicity or identity without distinction.
Enough with separating people into herds, so that self-appointend herders can keep power over people's lives. If Kosova has to be a normal, european, democratic society, it can not draw yellow lines, keep barbed wires or maintain ethnic ghettos to separate people. Let them live freely and let the police deal harshly with anyone that threatens another on ethnic or religious grounds.
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To "exKFORofficer" of post #27
It is hghly unlikely that you were ever part of KFOR, let alone an officer. Your poor command of written English exposes your claim to have ever been an officer in Kfor. In addition, the many claims you make regarding the foot soldier's support of the Serbs is quite ludicrous. Anyone even remotely connected with Kfor would laugh in your face for making such a ridiculous statement.
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The Serbian demands are reasonable, but I think the prevention of Albanian returns lacks judgment because only poor people, in this case five albanian families will suffer as a result of the serbian activism.
I wish they directed Massive civil disobedience in other directions such as border checkpoints, so called Kosovo institutions and EULUX. Take it to the powers and not the little guy
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The various people of the Balkans will never live in peace unless certain things are resolved. Serbs and Albanians can not move forward unless an agreement has been negotiated by both sides and not by outsiders telling the Serbs what is best for them. Albanians can't proclaim independence and expect everyone to go along with it. Resulve the issue by negotiations or you will have continued unrest and eventually the partition of Kosovo. Albanians believe Belgrade cause problems in Kosovo. Your ignoring the real reason there is resistance and problems. It's the Serbs who live there who refuse to accept being killed or chased from their homes by the Albanian majority. This is what will happen if they accept an indepndent Kosovo. Albanians should face reality or suffer the consequences.
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exKFORofficer
It is widely known that officially the West supports the Kosovo institutions and independence. However, amongst the foot soldiers like yourself there is an overwhelming support for the Serbs. The reason is that they have seen what the Albanians are doing to the minorities in Kosovo. I'm convinced that comments like yours are not something the West wants to get out. However, the truth can't be hidden for ever. Sooner or later the world will have to do something about the horrible crimes committed against the Serbs in Kosovo. It's thanks to you and others that the world can and will, eventually, see the truth. Thank you for the support and your honest opinion.
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(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 20:18)
Let’s put some order here:
1. Albanians are autochthon Serbs are Slavic tribes arrived in Europe on VII AC (see lso FYROM_ Greek name dispute). As an officer you should not compromise with your integrity and allow to be manipulated but you should check by your own the FACTS: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/12472/Albania/129453/History#ref=ref476156
Albanians are in their homes with their white hat http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bqL2vM3y72gL/610x.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daylife.com/photo/0bqL2vM3y72gL&h=401&w=610&sz=59&tbnid=bwcfqojC2QggdM::&tbnh=89&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dalbanian%2Bwhite%2Bhat%2Bfoto&hl=en&usg=__8oB6_iNRBMPBhG-CBucIJYt6jrg=&ei=-Vb7SeGKBISsjAe65qmSAw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image plis just as they were in the past for thousands of years their pileus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pileus_(hat)
2. In communist Albania a bird could not fly out/in. Go figure a colonisation of someone’s "holy" land
4. in 2006 in prishitna were killed 3 PEACFUL protesters not mobs as today in north. Which “soft hand” treatment you want for the Serbs in north as in 2004 or 2006???
5. if I am 90% or 97% of population I see no dangerous- I am still an ABSOLUTE majority
8. you should explain me the connection of what we were talking and the poverty and economy of Kosova.
9. your wrong parallel Albanians with Russians in Estonia prove that even after your stay in Kosova and degree as officer you have not learned the different social, economical, historical, political, geo-strategically characteristics of the land where you were deployed with the one that you draw parallels.
10. you also ignore the fact that parts of Leposavic, Zubin Potok were given to Kosova and at the same time the parts in the Presheva valley were taken from Kosova. Operation in order to change the ethnic structure if Kosova.
11. personally I prefer to border with Bulgaria and cut-off the north south russio-serbian-greek influence than keeping 2-3 hills of Leposavic and Zubin Potok. With this you not only ignore the history but also the geo-strategy that YGO/Serbia was doing in Kosova for decades.
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ExKFORofficer, your ‘knowledge’ on the Balkans, respectively Kosovo, seems to begin upon your arrival in the region. You keep referring to a name Albos, as far as I know there are no people called that name in the Balkans, so I wander where did you get that kind of education?? I’d ask from B92 to stop posting comments which have this kind of derogative words.
Please go read and study some more before making these comments, because history and truth require some deep and sincere studies.
“and one more thing. wweren`t you taught at schools in socialist Yugo math - if you have 5-6 kids in familiy you will never have the same living standard of those with lesser kids.”
“you are like russians here in Estonia who flooded my home country after the WWII and now cry how they are being harrassed.”
These lines tell it all.
What does the number of kids has to do with what is going on in Mitrovica? And please can you elaborate a bit more on the “you are like Russians” sentence, because I lack knowledge on what has really happened in Estonia?
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MikeC, since when do you have a right to claim that most of these international "foot soldiers" in Kosovo support the view of Serbs? Or are you simply pulling "facts" out of your own buttocks now?
Your recent radicalization and inconsistency has only diminished the relevancy of your comments.
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Our government of Kosova needs to end this circus one's and for all..Send our trops ,arrest these criminals,punish the one responsible..
pre 14 godina
>>I completely agree that the Serbs be allowed to return to their homes in Kosovo, just as Albanians. What is right for Albanians should also be right for the Serbs. All should try to put the past behind them and build a future for themselves and their children. All should understand that the Balkans will always be inhabited by Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians... and all should cooperate to achieve a common goal: peace for all.
(Mensa, 1 May 2009 19:05
I totally agree, mensa, and have said so, or more to the point, attempted to say so on numerous occasions. i am quite pleased that for whatever reasons, your comment drew very strong and broad support.
of course the overriding political background is anything but benign or objective. but eulex/ kfor have apparently decided to get off their respective duffs (sorry), and do something of value (the ethnic slurs from the "ex-kfor" not withstanding.)
as for the prevalent media, as i have repeated MANY times, they have a major responsibility to attempt to bridge some of these supposed ethnic/"religious" divides, rather than exacerbating them. if only...
roberto frisco
pre 14 godina
Well, hello again!
let`s take it in order.
To (Michael John, 2 May 2009 08:27) - I was a part of DanBn in 2004 and believe me, my command of written English here does not and cannot refute this fact. And I can assure you if I had more time and will, I`d write in a more "proper" English - my main point here is just to express myself in a foreign language, and it seems that only thing you can get to is language technicalities. To your knowledge, there were and still are plenty of KFOR, UN, EU etc officers who`s English is not at that level what would satisfy your whims, but still, you can enjoy yourself. By the way, it was not me who told about foot soldiers but some of the commentators, but in fact that is TRUE that those soldiers with whom I met,did think like that,and " Anyone even remotely connected with Kfor would laugh in your face for making such a ridiculous statement" - so far noone has done so, even American police officers, or German intelligence officers whom I met last Dec in Estonia. But I would not mind to laugh, it should at least be healthier than spewing gall.
to ben:
well, maybe Albanians are natives in those lands, but then do not tell me that Serbs destroyed every single sign of your predecessors presence there before the Slavs arrival - for me, as a foreigner, historical orthodox buildings serve as material evidence that Serbs were a majority back then. For next I see TUrkish mosques, and Turks were the ones whom Albanians chose to affiliate with. Though, you may not have liked them but you still chose their religion for your gain - a religion that in fact has nothing in common with democratic values. But in the end the so called democracy is anyway a kind of mirage or rather wishful thinking like communism - it is a tool to have power. By the way, there are also Albanians who say that your Illyrian myth has no evidential ground - it is just a fruit of your late 19th Century national awakening - so eventually truth lies where you want to see it.
"In communist Albania a bird could not cross the border" - might be, but you should know that Tito was trying to get ALbania a part of Yugo and right after the war there were no borders, what was reality during nazi occupation too, so that even Germans wrote how Albanians were driving Slavs out from Kosovo - you cannot deny that at this time you had a perfect chance to resettle from Albania proper in those vacant lands - this is just a way how ethnic groups seize neighbours area. We had the same case in Estonia, right after the war the estonins moving away from the border areas, where the firecest battles against the Soviets took place, were not allowed to return, exactly as so called Slav colonists in Kosovo - and instead 10 000-s russians were brought instead who were young and were reproducing very fast. But still their kids and grandchildren live in poorer economic situation than estonians. As far I know Albanians main complain was harrassment in language field and economic stagnation what was caused by unjust allocation of federal funds - so that you had no other option that to secede( well my point is for sure simplified but I hope you get my point). That`s why I broght in this poverty and economic issue. And since the NATO intervention everything has turned vice versa - what is your justification?. ANd believe me, a pile of reports of Albos harrassement against Serbs, and former UCK leaders organised crime related activities we reported was put in drawer as obviously "politically incorrect". Read the last ombudsman Marek Nowitcki`s opinion about Albanians conduct in Kosovo.
In reality I have made a broad research into Kosovo in the light of Un HUman Rights Conventions what include social, cultural etc rights. Among others I examined US military data from the early 1980-s and back then the same institutions had completely another description of the situation of the same era down there than before 1999 bombing. I know that Tito made a land swap and changed Kosovo borders but definately not in favour of Serbs - otherwise there would have been autonomy, like you had, for Serbs in Croatia too.
well, we will not solve the issue of Kosovo here anyway, but this is my personal opinion as both parties have violated against human rights provisions then both should face negative percussions too, it means Albanians should be taken away for example North and those religious sites in the South should have special status with Serb police guarding them - corridors to those "islands" could be secured bu internationals - but at this time like they do in Afghanistan.
one Hungarian professor, by origin from Romania, told that Serbs have inclusive nationalism and Albanians exclusive one - this what he told me when I shared my experience from Kosovo.
Concerning what is going on in Kosovska Mitrovica - it is exactly you have been doing against Serbs, and you would do the same if it were the other way around. I tell u that the way Serbs live is more closer to us than Albanians way - if you go to Strepce this area is much cleaner than Prizren or Vucitrn.
By the way in 2004 a couple of times we tried to start securing the return of Romas to Roma Mahalla in S Mitrovica but guess what was Albanians answer...and later when it was obvious that S-Mitro should have been cordoned off if we finally would have liked to seize piles of rifles from Albanians this request was denied, like info about caches in mosques and schools and how ambulance car was bringing rifles and taking away wounded Albanians - exactly the tactic Palestinians use.
to PZ - Albos is not a derogative word- it is just faster way to write - but I could have used sqhiptar or shiptar - strange attitude of you - russans call us cuhna,cuhoncy and this does not bother me at all - it is their problem. once you are firm in your identety and group affiliation then just some possible pejorative words should not confuse you - if you overreact it just indicates your immaturity, like by the way the certain people in case of Danish cartoons did - if your belief is so strong and faithful then no outside factors should not cause such a bestial outburst as we saw or we probably face again should freedom of opinion expressed again.
But be sure, all countries of the world, including the US would do react exactly like Serb forces in 1998 when UCK activities got out of control. What happened during NATO bombing was just humanly anger as it was probably after NATO occupied Kosovo but somewhy Albanians seem to be pardoned for that, and that is for sure is not in compliance with the principle "equity before the law"
Have a nice day!
pre 14 godina
"Good luck in radicalising Kosovar Albanians."
EA
EA your comments are priceless. You say Serb politics are radicalizing Albanians. Well, let me tell you something you don't seem to know: declaring independence, burning down churches and killing Serbs have radicalized Serbs.
pre 14 godina
#38
Mike C
If his name is Michael John
I am Santa Clausovic!
Kosovo je Srbija!
pre 14 godina
to Dulo,
I am ex KFOR as I finished my tour there and there is not point to go back there as KFOR (commanding officers) was not impartial - and I have had chance to go back there once more - at least I was impartial in my duties, so Serbs who were trying to set up booby-traps were not saved either, but I really got sick of Albanians hypocricy.
And during my time at least all interationals were hanging in North Mitro and not in South as there were nice girls to look at, street bars,some beer unlike in Srbica where everyone was stressing they were Muslims - no alcohol - but at the same time drug trafficing was at full swing.
Really, once before March riots I went to Italian carabinieri camp in Prishtina to see how Albanian girls were looking for their way to get out of their beloved home-country. Once you love it, stay there.
Have a nice evening
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(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 20:18)
Very small chance to believe that you are for real, as Kfor in Kosova enjoy a great time in Prishtina and other towns. As its common among Kfor soldiers that they only wish not to be among the Serb enclaves. Its just a shame to put a post like this and lie.
But if you are for real than no wonder you are an EX Kfor.
pre 14 godina
Albanians come first because we've been in Dardania for the last 5000 years, while you came in 8th century trying to steal Albo lands.
If you don't like Albanians please move to Serbia because Kosova belongs to Albanians, sooner or later the holy land of Illyrians will reunite.
Cheers....
pre 14 godina
Kosovar-Serbs demand that they return to their home on the other hand the Kosovar-Albanians cant do that. This is double standards again.
May i remind you ultra nacionalist Serbs that you no longer rule over Kosova, and now you are getting the taste of thing to come in north Mitrovica.
pre 14 godina
"Your poor command of written English exposes your claim to have ever been an officer in Kfor"
Michael John
Are you for real "Michael John"? The guy is from Estonia. His english is good enough to be a KFOR soilder. You don't have to write perfect english to join the army. Besides, your english is not the best either and your name is Michael John!!! The interesting thing is that as soon as someone, non-serb, critisize the albanians you have to find something wrong with the person or what he/she has to say. I guess you albanians are just to perfect for any negative things to be written about you?
pre 14 godina
All these years we've been thinking that the main problems were between Albanians and the Serbs and now finally we are being told that actually the Albos are the ones causing trouble. My dear Serbs, we were so misguided, let us all shake hands and thank some of the commentators for opening our eyes. I know this has to be true, and that’s because it came directly from X-kforofficer Files, not only because I WANT TO BELIEVE.
here's more info: http://www.xfiles.com/
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In communist Albania a bird could not fly out/in.
ben
Are you kidding me!!! How come there are millions of albanians living abroad? Are they all Kosovo albanians? Millions albanians fled Albania and many of them into Kosovo. That is one reason albanians are now a majority there, that and a high birth rate. That's the albanian way of "peacefully" taking over someone elses territory. The same thing is happening in Macedonia. To improve their lives albanians are going there in huge numbers from Albania.
Albanians always claim the right to Kosovo by saying they were there first. But what proof do you have? Any old mosques or other findings that date back to the period in history you always refere to? The truth is that there are no evidence. You are new to this territory, you just don't want to admit it.
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to (BH_NYC, 2 May 2009 17:42)
basically you are right, we all were still in a wave to "save poor Albanians" and we stood by when everything happened, later it was said just oops and everyone was dreaming to get away from this "bomb-hole" as Kosovo was at least for Scandinavians. This was circus when Deputy COM KFOR, an american rear admiral went to Sami Lushtaku(if I remember his name correctly) and told him he would be detained for max 3 days and asked not to turn "protests" violent -so we had in Srbica for 3 days approx 3000 "peaceful protesters" demanding his release. I am not going to tell how lativan troops were trying to search at this time KPS chiefs summer cottage and what followed, how Jashari`s nephew pointed a gun at a French lieutenant if they wanted to conduct a search ,and after a French platoon came at the scene and then they had a bunch of UCK men with guns facing them, and afterwards the only measure was to declare those villagaes in Drenica "out of bounds" so criminals could do whatever they wanted, how new French Brigade CO told to DAnBn CO he would spoil the latter`s career if there would be any "politically " incorrect conduct. Yes, and once u mentioned about my databases- information on Kos-Albo illegal and criminal deeds in KFOR database was abundant but policy had been already determined. From this point of view I indeed was a nut in the machinery of Thaci and other "snakes" - that is why I did not want to go back there - well if they paid more then I could consider of going back to KiM and pretend of "protecting democratic values".
pre 14 godina
"Any old mosques or other findings that date back to the period in history you always refere to?"
The wonderful thing about history is that the further we go into the future, the more we learn about the past. Population genetics shows the Albanians are a distinct and ancient race, most closely related to the Greeks (and Sardinians). If scientists are able to identify (as they have, just recently) exactly what part of Africa all the rest of the world's populations emigrated from, they'll eventually be able to determine exactly how the Balkans were settled.
While of course there are no "ancient mosques" anywhere in the world, there is probably evidence of early Christian churches in Kosovo.
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exKFORofficer
Wow, your stories are fascinating! I guess it's worse in Kosovo than I originally thought. Not even NATO can control these! I think Serbs should proclaim independence if the Albanians won't give up their strive for independence. Partition the province and let everyone live their own lives. Kosovo of today is Europes Afganistan.
pre 14 godina
I completely agree that the Serbs be allowed to return to their homes in Kosovo, just as Albanians. What is right for Albanians should also be right for the Serbs. All should try to put the past behind them and build a future for themselves and their children. All should understand that the Balkans will always be inhabited by Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians... and all should cooperate to achieve a comman goal: peace for all.
pre 14 godina
"To "exKFORofficer" of post #27
It is hghly unlikely that you were ever part of KFOR, let alone an officer. Your poor command of written English exposes your claim to have ever been an officer in Kfor. (Michael John, 2 May 2009 08:27)"
That assumes that to be in KFOR you had to speak English which is not the case.
"OK, I think I get it now. These 5 families are trying to build houses on the grounds of the Decani Monastery.
(Dim Tuc, 1 May 2009 17:25)"
No you don't get it do you. Did I say the 5 families were trying to build these houses on these sites? No. I was pointing out that there is plenty of "Serbian Soul" in Kosovo in response to Ben.
pre 14 godina
Send our trops ,arrest these criminals,punish the one responsible..
Pan
Ha ha ha! Your troops! They can't even catch a cold much less arrest anyone. By your troops you probably mean KFOR.
pre 14 godina
……..then you have perfect moral and legitimate right to treat them in the same way.
(exKFORofficer, 1 May 2009 14:16)
If KFOR wanted to disarm Albanians and/or stop them from ‘expelling’ the Serbs from their homes, they could have (KLA wasn’t stronger than NATO). They either didn’t do this because it wasn’t necessary, or they didn’t want to because they sided with Thaci and helped him ‘ethnically cleanse’ Kosovo. Let me get this straight, you were a KFOR officer, you ‘knew’ that the Serbs were the real victims and you helped Thaci achieve his mission.
pre 14 godina
To ben
"5. if I am 90% or 97% of population I see no dangerous- I am still an ABSOLUTE majority "
In North Kosovo communities Serbian peoples are ABSOLUTE MAJORITY. So - they can secede from "Republic of Kosova" or not??
pre 14 godina
I want to say bravo to exKFOR officer for bothering and taking his time to write about his experiences...
Once George Orwell said "In time of deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary act".
Justice will prevail.
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