Anniversary of Croatia's "Flash" onslaught

I just find it astonishing that we still have mass graves with Serbian bodies buried in them and nobody cares. However, when it comes to the other ethnicities in the region, numbers are highly exaggerated and it becomes front page news. It should be clear that this operation was coordinated by the US with their aids, Germany and the Vatican.

It is reminiscent of actions taken during WWII except we now have the US in the picture coving up and participating in these crimes. Lets continue to seek justice and never forget.

Unfortunately the comments by 'nik' show the common ignorance of the abuses by the Tudjman regime against serbs in croatia. They were made to sign 'oaths of loyalty' to the croatian state on pain of loosing their jobs, apartments and benefits (which did happen to many). Of course government propaganda glorifying the genocidal Ustasa state of WWII, the black shirted HOS etc. etc.

To the article in hand, never forget that the americans, germans etc. were behind this, in particular the still active CIA/DIA front company Military Professional Resources Inc. (MPRI) that is made up of 'ex' US service and intelligence personnel.

They planned 'Flash', 'Storm' and 'Lightining', provided training and logistics support. The Germans provide weapons, mostly from former GDR stocks or via other less obvious leftover stockpiles from the Ukraine etc.

Western governments are complicit in war crimes, but will not be held to account for their actions either in the ICTY (who's remit doesn't cover outside actors) nor the ICC. So justice for all but the West.

Lazar, that kind of rhetoric that will ensure serbs + croats will be at each others throats for the next 1000 years. 15% truth 85% propaganda.

will there be an anniversary marked in Belgrade tomorrow and day after of cluster attack by RSK in Zagreb?

As for the numbers, funny that the mass killings refered to in this article are given by an organisation run by Serb Intelligence. Certainly not the impression the operation is explained elsewhere (apart from Serb propaganda websites).

Despite of the fact that when Yugoslavia collapsed the Croatian constitution was changed, so that it was no longer a two-nation state, the rights offered to the Serbs were sufficient and the European ambitions for Croatia were a guarantee that they would be observed. There was absolutely no need toself-proclaim a Serbian republic on the territoy of Croatia (and of coures with the help of JNA to drive the non-Serbs out of it)This crime lead to an even bigger crime - the expultion of hundreds of thousands of Serbs form their homes.

Nik, I am disturbed by anyone who claims that the serbs had adequate rights when croatia changed its constitution. Their new constitution made us second class citizens, and if you call that adequate, well, sorry, but get out of here, because a second class citizen who is not allowed to practice their own language or script is by no means considered an adequate position. The goal was a continuation of apartheid. Tudjman had written in his nazi literature that genocide was a natural phenomenon... what book was that - wastelands of history, right? He was not content with having so many serbs in croatia. The goal was ethnic purification, which came with support of the EU. Lets not forget where the first ethnic cleansing happened in the war - in the northern part of western slavonia against serbs. Tens of thousands were driven out from places such as virovitica... many other surrounding municipalities. It is the croats that started cleansing, and we by the damn right of justice ar allowed to defend ourselves against this continued genocide. tudjman glorified the ww2 nazis. Adequate conditions for serbs... clearly we see that you do not know what you are talking about.

DINO

“Apart from Serb propaganda websites” I can tell you that the whole operation was planned and trained by the same US not governmental organization that has arranged the massacre in S.Ossetia. And all the military methods and propaganda was the same as in Croatia 14 years ago when black is shown as white and white as black. Poor Serbs could nothing resist this massive mud flow … So stop talking about Serbian propaganda ! Do you really believe that B 92 is a Serbian site !

The Flash operation was aided by the U.S. and a "rehearsal" for Operation Storm.

The Russians say that the Georgian army's attack on South Ossetia had much in common with these U.S. aided Croatian operations, only the Russians sent in their army to halt it.

Yes, there are still hundreds of thousands of Serbs from Croatia who aren't able to go back to their homes. Croatia was given western approval for this, as it fit into the western agenda. The "multi-ethnic" talk is all nonsense and usually only applies to help minorities in Serb areas - in order to use the minorities against Serbs or harass Serbs.

I don't understand why Serbia or Serbs even have anything to do with Croatia - including diplomacy and embassies - as nothing good comes of it. And Serbs vacationing in Croatia are enablers. Croats - as many Balkanites and western politicians - are too sneaky, plotting and backstabbing.

Alex, nobody sais that Tudjman regime was good! It wasn't. But the situation was much more complicated. Yusgoslavia was dictatorial or totalitarian construction. It was unviable to survive in a democratic environment, because there were no competing all-Yugoslavian political parties, no common public opinion etc. So it had two choices: to become a lose confederation or to get a divorce! The Serbs in Croatia were not a compact community, like the Albanians in Kosovo. There were Serbs practically all over Croatia, and there were many Croats living among the Serbs even where the Serbs formed a majority. Swearing 'oaths of loyalty' was nothing that unusual. Similar requirement was posed to the Russians in the Baltic countries. Indeed to gain the support of the Western public opinion the Serbs in Croatia had to demonstrate that they were a loyal community unduly mistreated.

Lazar: “The goal was ethnic purification, which came with support of the EU”.

What are you talking about? The EU would never support ethnic cleansing. The EU supported “Preservation of the territorial unity of Yugoslavia” long after that was impossible. Tudjman certainly was not a democrat by heart, but to say he was an Ustasha is ridiculous! As a youth, he himself was a member of the resistance! Members of his family were killed by the Ustashas! He was however in a situation similar to that of Macek who welcomed the creation of the so called “Independent State of Croatia” but refused to co-operate with the nazis.

Lazar...If you were in croatia when the war began then you may be aware of what actuall happened. The term ethnic cleansing became vogue after one of the first operations against an ethnic majority. That being the croats in kijevo. Not far from kijevo in medak I was enjoying a beer on route back to Zagreb. the time frame was 1990.No war yet, but in came a couple eof local thugs with ak-47's stating that this was serb territory now and any croat who didnt like it could leave.

Tony, this is not propaganda. You prefer that the crimes against the serbs be forgotten and that we just pass them. Why must we have NO justice whatsoever? It can happen again, can it not? Croatians are still proud to this day. Their neonazi Thompson himself made a song recently called "anice kninska kraljice" and it goes like this... 'because of anica and one bottle of wine, I shall burn down the serbs all the way to knin. That there has it, they are a culture that is proud of the genocide that they committed!

Nik, the EU supported cleansing time and time again. In bosnia they let all sides cleanse all sides. In kosovo they promoted ethnic cleansing and did nothing after the war about the cleansing of serbs. Germany and other western countries, key members of the EU, supported this operation flash and the subsequent operation storm. Lets be reasonable right now. Did you even read what I wrote? Look up tudjman's book. He clearly said that there is nothing wrong with genocide because supposedly genocide is a natural phenomenon. How is that not nazi propaganda? He was an active holocaust denier, saying that less than a million jews were killed in world war two, and he totally spat on the graves of serbs in jasenovac, saying that only 30,000 were killed there. To top things off, he fully supported the tear down of anti-fascist statues, changing street names to names of prominent ustasha, I mean dude, all ustasha's adore this guy, he was their leader! All that was missing was the title "poglavar".

Jen - ethnic cleansing was very limited prior to the croatian assault. The first big scale ethnic cleansing happened against the serbs. Tens of thousands of us were flushed out of eastern slavonia in the summer of 1991. The EU and UN even provided buses for our displacement!

Their neonazi Thompson himself made a song recently called "anice kninska kraljice" and it goes like this... 'because of anica and one bottle of wine, I shall burn down the serbs all the way to knin.
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You sir are a liar.

It's funny how your post starts with "This is no propaganda" when the next sentence is a blatant lie

google "Anica - Kninska Kraljica lyrics" and this is what you get:

"Zbog Anice i bokala vina,
zapalit ću Krajinu do Knina"

Where did you find a word "Serbs" I do not know.
Now lets see the next verse ;)

"Zapalit ću dva, tri srpska staba,
da ja nisam dolazio dzaba."

Quote mining is not enough for you I see. sigh

will there be an anniversary marked in Belgrade tomorrow and day after of cluster attack by RSK in Zagreb?

As for the numbers, funny that the mass killings refered to in this article are given by an organisation run by Serb Intelligence. Certainly not the impression the operation is explained elsewhere (apart from Serb propaganda websites).

Despite of the fact that when Yugoslavia collapsed the Croatian constitution was changed, so that it was no longer a two-nation state, the rights offered to the Serbs were sufficient and the European ambitions for Croatia were a guarantee that they would be observed. There was absolutely no need toself-proclaim a Serbian republic on the territoy of Croatia (and of coures with the help of JNA to drive the non-Serbs out of it)This crime lead to an even bigger crime - the expultion of hundreds of thousands of Serbs form their homes.

I just find it astonishing that we still have mass graves with Serbian bodies buried in them and nobody cares. However, when it comes to the other ethnicities in the region, numbers are highly exaggerated and it becomes front page news. It should be clear that this operation was coordinated by the US with their aids, Germany and the Vatican.

It is reminiscent of actions taken during WWII except we now have the US in the picture coving up and participating in these crimes. Lets continue to seek justice and never forget.

Unfortunately the comments by 'nik' show the common ignorance of the abuses by the Tudjman regime against serbs in croatia. They were made to sign 'oaths of loyalty' to the croatian state on pain of loosing their jobs, apartments and benefits (which did happen to many). Of course government propaganda glorifying the genocidal Ustasa state of WWII, the black shirted HOS etc. etc.

To the article in hand, never forget that the americans, germans etc. were behind this, in particular the still active CIA/DIA front company Military Professional Resources Inc. (MPRI) that is made up of 'ex' US service and intelligence personnel.

They planned 'Flash', 'Storm' and 'Lightining', provided training and logistics support. The Germans provide weapons, mostly from former GDR stocks or via other less obvious leftover stockpiles from the Ukraine etc.

Western governments are complicit in war crimes, but will not be held to account for their actions either in the ICTY (who's remit doesn't cover outside actors) nor the ICC. So justice for all but the West.

Alex, nobody sais that Tudjman regime was good! It wasn't. But the situation was much more complicated. Yusgoslavia was dictatorial or totalitarian construction. It was unviable to survive in a democratic environment, because there were no competing all-Yugoslavian political parties, no common public opinion etc. So it had two choices: to become a lose confederation or to get a divorce! The Serbs in Croatia were not a compact community, like the Albanians in Kosovo. There were Serbs practically all over Croatia, and there were many Croats living among the Serbs even where the Serbs formed a majority. Swearing 'oaths of loyalty' was nothing that unusual. Similar requirement was posed to the Russians in the Baltic countries. Indeed to gain the support of the Western public opinion the Serbs in Croatia had to demonstrate that they were a loyal community unduly mistreated.

Nik, I am disturbed by anyone who claims that the serbs had adequate rights when croatia changed its constitution. Their new constitution made us second class citizens, and if you call that adequate, well, sorry, but get out of here, because a second class citizen who is not allowed to practice their own language or script is by no means considered an adequate position. The goal was a continuation of apartheid. Tudjman had written in his nazi literature that genocide was a natural phenomenon... what book was that - wastelands of history, right? He was not content with having so many serbs in croatia. The goal was ethnic purification, which came with support of the EU. Lets not forget where the first ethnic cleansing happened in the war - in the northern part of western slavonia against serbs. Tens of thousands were driven out from places such as virovitica... many other surrounding municipalities. It is the croats that started cleansing, and we by the damn right of justice ar allowed to defend ourselves against this continued genocide. tudjman glorified the ww2 nazis. Adequate conditions for serbs... clearly we see that you do not know what you are talking about.

Lazar, that kind of rhetoric that will ensure serbs + croats will be at each others throats for the next 1000 years. 15% truth 85% propaganda.

DINO

“Apart from Serb propaganda websites” I can tell you that the whole operation was planned and trained by the same US not governmental organization that has arranged the massacre in S.Ossetia. And all the military methods and propaganda was the same as in Croatia 14 years ago when black is shown as white and white as black. Poor Serbs could nothing resist this massive mud flow … So stop talking about Serbian propaganda ! Do you really believe that B 92 is a Serbian site !

Lazar: “The goal was ethnic purification, which came with support of the EU”.

What are you talking about? The EU would never support ethnic cleansing. The EU supported “Preservation of the territorial unity of Yugoslavia” long after that was impossible. Tudjman certainly was not a democrat by heart, but to say he was an Ustasha is ridiculous! As a youth, he himself was a member of the resistance! Members of his family were killed by the Ustashas! He was however in a situation similar to that of Macek who welcomed the creation of the so called “Independent State of Croatia” but refused to co-operate with the nazis.

The Flash operation was aided by the U.S. and a "rehearsal" for Operation Storm.

The Russians say that the Georgian army's attack on South Ossetia had much in common with these U.S. aided Croatian operations, only the Russians sent in their army to halt it.

Yes, there are still hundreds of thousands of Serbs from Croatia who aren't able to go back to their homes. Croatia was given western approval for this, as it fit into the western agenda. The "multi-ethnic" talk is all nonsense and usually only applies to help minorities in Serb areas - in order to use the minorities against Serbs or harass Serbs.

I don't understand why Serbia or Serbs even have anything to do with Croatia - including diplomacy and embassies - as nothing good comes of it. And Serbs vacationing in Croatia are enablers. Croats - as many Balkanites and western politicians - are too sneaky, plotting and backstabbing.

Lazar...If you were in croatia when the war began then you may be aware of what actuall happened. The term ethnic cleansing became vogue after one of the first operations against an ethnic majority. That being the croats in kijevo. Not far from kijevo in medak I was enjoying a beer on route back to Zagreb. the time frame was 1990.No war yet, but in came a couple eof local thugs with ak-47's stating that this was serb territory now and any croat who didnt like it could leave.

Tony, this is not propaganda. You prefer that the crimes against the serbs be forgotten and that we just pass them. Why must we have NO justice whatsoever? It can happen again, can it not? Croatians are still proud to this day. Their neonazi Thompson himself made a song recently called "anice kninska kraljice" and it goes like this... 'because of anica and one bottle of wine, I shall burn down the serbs all the way to knin. That there has it, they are a culture that is proud of the genocide that they committed!

Nik, the EU supported cleansing time and time again. In bosnia they let all sides cleanse all sides. In kosovo they promoted ethnic cleansing and did nothing after the war about the cleansing of serbs. Germany and other western countries, key members of the EU, supported this operation flash and the subsequent operation storm. Lets be reasonable right now. Did you even read what I wrote? Look up tudjman's book. He clearly said that there is nothing wrong with genocide because supposedly genocide is a natural phenomenon. How is that not nazi propaganda? He was an active holocaust denier, saying that less than a million jews were killed in world war two, and he totally spat on the graves of serbs in jasenovac, saying that only 30,000 were killed there. To top things off, he fully supported the tear down of anti-fascist statues, changing street names to names of prominent ustasha, I mean dude, all ustasha's adore this guy, he was their leader! All that was missing was the title "poglavar".

Jen - ethnic cleansing was very limited prior to the croatian assault. The first big scale ethnic cleansing happened against the serbs. Tens of thousands of us were flushed out of eastern slavonia in the summer of 1991. The EU and UN even provided buses for our displacement!

Their neonazi Thompson himself made a song recently called "anice kninska kraljice" and it goes like this... 'because of anica and one bottle of wine, I shall burn down the serbs all the way to knin.
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You sir are a liar.

It's funny how your post starts with "This is no propaganda" when the next sentence is a blatant lie

google "Anica - Kninska Kraljica lyrics" and this is what you get:

"Zbog Anice i bokala vina,
zapalit ću Krajinu do Knina"

Where did you find a word "Serbs" I do not know.
Now lets see the next verse ;)

"Zapalit ću dva, tri srpska staba,
da ja nisam dolazio dzaba."

Quote mining is not enough for you I see. sigh